workers in the lab at that time. if you are able to go back and look at those blood samples and say, did they show antibodies to the covid virus, then that would be another pretty definitive piece of data. and then you would obviously want to have a complete forensics investigation of the lab. but it is these things, these types of things that we do not have still. that has been the lack of transparency that so many people have been talking about. i think the answer to the question that everybody is answering ins noble, but we don t know it because we don t have all the data. sanjay it s interesting because you even spoke to some of the scientists who worked in wuhan. what did they say about how hard it is to get information in china? they say it is really hard. it s interesting because there is this world health investigation i talked to peter dasha who also runs ecohealth alliance, the organization that was doing research in wuhan. so he had sort of two halves that he w
makes biological sense. so, he is saying he does not think it makes biological sense. but, again alison, he did have access to information that most people did not have access to so it is more informed opinion. it was really interesting, when the virus starts to spread in humans it usually is not very contagious, it becomes country seeing lee contagious as it spreads more more. this virus, according to doctor redfield, really started spreading like wildfire right away, suggesting to him at least that it had been studied in a lab and slowly becoming increasingly contagious in a lab before it accidentally leaked. speculative, but interesting. he makes a very compelling case. , i he always has been, he was out front with this theory before other people were. sanjay, thank you for explaining all of that it is really helpful. thank you. the white house is also weighing in on the energy departments that covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak in china.
alison and they were not able to go back in after that first investigation. so, we still do not know. and then sanjay you ve spoken to several u.s. health officials who support the lab leak theory and they cast skepticism on the outbreak timelines, what have they told you? well, this is very interesting and we re talking about robert redfield here who is the cdc director, alison. that s important because he probably had access to information that maybe the general public did not have at the time that he was the cdc director. i talked to him right after he left office and he was pretty forthcoming about his thoughts on this, still speculative about an interesting reasoning. take a listen. i do not believe that this somehow came from a bat to human. normally when a pathogen goes from a to human it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human transmission. i just do not think that this
either spread from animals to humans in the wild or it leaked from a lab in wuhan. what type of evidence would prove it one way or the other? will you know, i should point out that the labs that we are talking about here, alison, they have studied coronaviruses for a long time. that that is not new information. reporters have been covering this know that, and one of the lead researchers in the lab there in wuhan is she zhengli, known as the bat lady. she is known is that because she has been studying bats really since the days of sars, for some 20 years. so that is not new information. i think we need to know is where the coronavirus is being studied in the lab similar, identical, or related to the virus that caused covid. you want to look at the actual viruses and do genetic sequencing of those viruses. another thing that you could do, alison, there were blood samples that were taken from