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District, trump won by 3 in takes a look at headtoheads good to finally meet you. 2016. So this is an area densely Richard Haase, this was a hiv controlling, against President Trump with mr. Secretary, can you take biden leading trump by ten populated area trump was able to match that really never made joint replacing, and depression relieving company. Questions . Carry as a candidate. Sense from the beginning. Points, 55 to 45. Mr. Ambassador . Donald trump obviously a from the day youre born as president now twice now in a andrew yang also defeat trump by we never stop taking care of you. Jim mattis joked that he was Congressional Election its gone disruptor in Foreign Policy. 8 points, however elizabeth double digits for the democrat. John bolton the same. Warren loses to trump by 2 meeting the devil incarnate when but in completely different if you have that in mechlenburg points 4951. John bolton joined the ways. I feel like that last number is Administration Last year, now and places across the country, john bolton has had advocated theyre both gone. For the bombing of north korea. Gone. Thats a big trouble sign. Worth discussing, joe. And no one knows what comes you know, willie, its of i think it is worth hes advocated for the bombing next. Discussing. Well get to that in a second. Good morning, and welcome to of iran and for the bombing of willie, lets talk about the morning joe. Course a when is a win is a win iraq. It is wednesday, september 11th. In politics. She a neocons neocons. First numbers we went through. There are a lot of people along with joe, willie and me, the president s reelected i carving this up figuring out donald trump, of course, has we have msnbc contributor mike what the race means. Taken the party and the country think 38 , of 55 of americans it does seem to come down to a divide electorate that will in the opposite direction. This is two minutes searching on dont think donald trump barnicle, juournalist alease la deserves reelection, his remain divided through 2020 Approval Rating once again in google would have told donald where you will have rural voters trump that this was a visit. Relationship that would never the 30s. President of the council on this is again for someone who work, especially if donald trump Foreign Relations and author of coming out far more for donald has been president three years trump than they have was being seen by many as the old rule used to be if you the book a world in disarray playing patsy to kim jongun, historically. Half the republicans. Reelect, hes below 50 , you are then for democrats, you got not patsy to vladimir putin, and Richard Haass and carol lee. Only urban voters overwhelmingly even talking about meeting with in big trouble. A lot to get to on this 18th voted for democrats but also Donald Trumps reelection is the iranians with no pre below 40 . Anniversary of the 9 11 attacks. That suburban vote. In the swing states weve seen its going to make a huge conditions. President trump finds himself difference in places like the exactly right. Is actually in the low 30s. Searching for his fourth donald trump often talked Fire National security adviser in philadelphia suburbs. Yeah. Im sorry, it doesnt matter how three years. Were going to have 9 11 lets say again, this was the and furry. Second time that dan mckreeldy john bolton meant it, whether it coverage throughout the morning many people blindly give him leading up to the moment of had to run in less than a year. Was north korea or iran or just silence at the moment this was a special election this about anybody else. Money, the matrix that theyre time around. As steve just said, mccready he rarely met a regime he didnt spitting out there, when have that the first plane hit the actually did better in this want to change. You numbers like that, it north tower, and tom brokaw was donald trump was just the race, even though he lost in opposite n. Some way trumps reporting on the air that whole approach is America First. That suburban district around charlotte than he did last fall morning. Hell join us live at the end of when he ran. The show. So its getting worse for donald in a moment well get to all the questions surrounding boltons trump in the suburbs. Its to wiped down existing reminds me of brett hummes lets remember in the 2016 favorite saying, you can have wars, sure as hell not to get ouster. That was staggering news, but general election the win for into different ones. First the two special elections donald trump over hillary they didnt have a preexisting. Its a lie. All the dog food commercials you that were decided last night in clinton is counted in the tense want. If the dog doesnt eat the food, North Carolina, and what they of thousands in states like could mean for 2020. Relationship. Id say two other things, one is are you out of luck. Michigan and states like okay. I always have to press, tail do people are bitten by the 2016 in North Carolinas third wisconsin and pennsylvania, so district special election race, if you take charlotte and you john bolton did the country no election and being so wrong they turn that into milwaukee or you favor in the terms of a headline, headlines he didnt hesitate that the president s republican fwrgreg murphy is th dismantling of interagency numbers are just terrible. Turn that into philadelphia or process. 39 again. Projected winner over democrat every person in this job has to hes never crossed 50 in the any of these suburban areas in alan thomas and in the closely the states that barely for a tell the truth. Oh, they love me. Major poll. Of course, hell tweet out one watched district nine republican balance the counsellor and dan bishop is the projected sliver went by donald trump, if process role. So i always, ive gotten of his outlier polls, 39 and they flip, have you an entirely winner by about two percentage john bolton didnt balance it. Different election looking at it was all him and his views, almost 60 of americans, 60 say points over democrat dan 2020. Rather than giving the president mccready. President trump took credit for donald trump won effectively. Any sort of fair intellectually he should not be reelected. They cant be happy about the bishops win tweeting in part extremely cautious. He should not be able turn to trend in those suburban areas. Honest process and going dan bishop was down 17 points no, not at all. Forward, we can sit around the office. Three weeks ago. When you look to those he then asked me for help. So that happened late last table and speculate, joe, who is democratic numbers on the other night. Now, lets get to john bolton, going to get the job . We changed his strategy nothing is not possible. Side, it sets up an interesting together, and he ran a great the only thing i know is the a new cnn poll finds more out as trumps National Security debate where for the first time race. Than half of americans say they big rally last night. We will see joe biden on the adviser, which the president contant. Days prove of President Trumps the constant is donald trump. Stage with yemz yelz, on the despite democrat Dan Mccreadys announced on twitter yesterday, unless he is prepared to change job performance. It was very dramatic. Trumps disapproval sits at 55 . Stage with bern elizabeth apparent loss his major gains in the president claimed that he his ways the question of who is had infe that. Warren on the stage with bernie number four, quite honestly, is his Approval Rating remains sanders and they can have a three suburban counties highlight the unpopularity of not critical. Almost unchanged from last month honest debate and the more we have much more ground on trumps party among that down one point. Demographic heading into 2020. John bolton including how mike meanwhile, almost 6 in 10 aggressive side and bernie political analyst larry saab toe pompeo plays into all of this, sanders. But this is playing tout way what it means for the secretary registered voters polled said its played out all summer. Tweeted that republicans should that trump does not deserve a be happy because a win is a win of states expanding influence. Joe biden steady at the top with next on morning joe. Second term in offi new quinnip and they keep the seat theyve Johnson Johnson is a baby company. Elizabeth warren searching. Coming up on morning joe had since 1963. As we have each year, we will democrats should be happy but were also a cancer fighting, because they made a competitive mark the i was in of 9 11 with a hiv controlling, district romney and trump won by joint replacing, moment of silence from the white 12 in their 2018 suburban gains and depression relieving company. House, tom brokaw covered the from the day youre born attack in real time joins us continue. Heres nbcs National Political we never stop taking care of you. With his perspective 18 years correspondent Steve Kornacki later. Morning joe is back in a last night at the big board. Its a fascinating story here now, theres skyrizi. I have moderate to severe froplaque psoriasis. Born moment. What happened in this district. 3 out of 4 people achieved. You mentioned the bottom line,. 90 clearer skin at 4 months. Dan bishop the republican wins. After just 2 doses. This district by two points, now skyrizi may increase your risk of infections. Represented in the house. And lower your ability to fight them. Before treatment your doctor should check you this was in 2016 a trump dli for infections and tuberculosis. District. The president won this thing by tell your doctor if you have an infection. Doubledigits in 2016. Or symptoms such as fevers,. Comes down to a twopoint. Sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs. Republican victory tonight. Or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. I feel free to bare my skin. Why was it close . Why was the republican ultimately able to prevail . Visit skyrizi. Com. There were two different story Classical Music playing throughout lines that kind of converged. Each of them is a microcosm of what we talk about nationally. One of the stories is right here in the suburbs, that circle might be too big, the densely populated suburbs of south charlotte. About a third of this district is in mecklenburg county. We talk about it all the time, higher income, College Educated suburbs, a place that trump won that portion of the district by three points in 2016. Mccready tonight wins it by 13 points. So thats the kind of swing weve been seeing in metro have you lost weight . Areas, suburban areas across the of course i have ever since i started renting from national. Because national lets me lose the wait at the counter. Country in the trump era away from the republicans towards the democrats. If you had said at the start of. And choose any car in the aisle. The night, thats where mccready was going to end up in and i dont wait when i return, thanks to drop go. Mecklenburg county, you might at national, i can lose the wait. And keep it off. Have thought he was going to win outright. Why did bishop survive . Looking good, patrick. That is the rural vote. The eastern part of this i know. District when you get away from charlotte, you get away from the vo go national. Go like a pro. Suburbs, these are more blue collar rural areas. That is where it was the election day vote. Half the votes early vote. Folks who went out in the rural parts of this district came through big for bishop. The republican. Did it have something to do with the rally trump held on election eve in this district. Thats certainly possible. It was a big rural turnout, republican turnout for bishop, two different story lines. Bottom line, twopoint win for the republican. Its mecklenburg county. Zoom in here, i say its geographically tiny. Dan mccready, its a 12point win for dan mccready. This is actually better than mccready did last november in this part of the district. He won it by ten then, he win it is by 12 tonight n. This same know what more shrimp ith steak and shrimp . Slice of the district im and you know what goes great with that shrimp . Steak and unlimited shrimp showing eyou right here trump wn and this year, with two freshly made sides, youll get more than you imagined. By three in 2016. Hurry into outback now this was a densely populated for our steak and unlimited shrimp. Area trump was able to carry as Outback Steakhouse a candidate. Twice now its gone doesnts for but were also a cancer fighting, the doesnt for tubledigits hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born democrat. Willie, its of course a win we never stop taking care of you. Is a win is a win in politics. Theres still going to be a lot of people that are going to be carving this up trying to figure out what the race means. It really does seem to come down to a divided electorate thats going to remain divided through 2020 where youre going to have rural voters coming out far more for donald trump than they have to the wait did ffrowe just winners. Prouders everyone uses their phone differently. Thats why Xfinity Mobile lets you design historical historically have for your own data. Republicans, and then for democrats had youve got not only urban voters voting now you can share it between lines. Overwhelmingly for democrats, mix with unlimited, and switch it up at anytime but also that suburban vote. Its going to make a hauge so you only pay for what you need. Its a different kind of Wireless Network designed to save you money. Difference in places like the philadelphia suburbs. Save up to 400 a year on your wireless bill. This was the second time that plus get 250 back when you buy dan mccready had to run in less than a year. This was a special election this a new samsung note. Time around. Click, call or visit a store today. As steve just said, mccready actually did better in this race, even though he lost, in that suburban district around charlotte than he did last fall when he ran. Its getting worse for donald trump in the suburbs. Lets remember in the 2016 general election, the win for donald trump over Hillary Clinton is counted in the tens of thousands in states like michigan, in states like wisconsin and pennsylvania. If you take charlotte and you turn that into milwaukee or turn the staff he wants at any mot that into philadelphia or you turn that into any of the he should have people he trusts and values and whose efforts and suburban areas that states that barely by a sliver went for judgments benefit him in donald trump. If those suburbs flip, youve delivering American Foreign got an entirely different policy. There were many times ambassador election in 2020. Bolton and i disagreed, thats donald trump won effectively, for sure. But they cant be happy about were you too blindsided by joining us now a member of the trend in those suburban the Orlando Services and areas. Not at all. What happened today . Im never surprised. Homeland security committees, that happened late last night. Now lets get to john bolton out what was the last straw for congresswoman Elisa Slotkin of the president of the United States, there is this dispute michigan. As trumps National Security also with us, distinguished adviser, which the president saying the president fired john lecturer at Stanford University announced on twitter yesterday. Bolton. It was very dramatic. John bolton said actually i and msnbc Foreign Affairs offered my resignation before the president claimed that he had informed bolton on monday analyst brett mcgirk. Night that his services are, the president fired me. What are you hearing about what he recently served as special quote, no longer needed at the it happened, how it happened . White house. President ial envoy for the boom, just like that. Reporter well, i think it trump tweeted, quote, i was a buildup obviously over a Global Coalition to defeat isis disagreed strongly with many of time of various policy at the state department. His suggestions as did others in Mike Barnicle and john heilman disagreements and frustration the administration, and with the way john bolton are also still with us along therefore, i asked for his with joe, willie and me. Conducted himself internally. Resignation, which was given to hes not known for playing nice. Me this morning. Congresswoman, lets begin those disagreements included how that was also the case according with you, it seems weve had to handle iran, north korea, to people we talked to when he quite a few Mission Accomplished was joined the trump moments over the past 19 years, venezuela and afghanistan. Administration. But to elises point, it really first if iraq and then in iraq however, two sources tell nbc again when we went through and was that, you know, on every news that the final straw came over the weekend when bolton issue almost, he would have, the of course caused other problems refused to push back on reports president would make a decision and now Donald Trumps talking or he would outline where he about isis being defeated when that he and mike pence disagreed with trumps plan to host the wanted to go on a policy and you his own pentagon is telling him know National Security advisers it is not. It is on the rise again. Taliban at camp david. Disagree we pr i that typicallye what do we do over the next 19 pence tweeted calling the reporting fake news, bolton did years to make sure we dont National Security adviser will not, and that, according to nbc get on board and execute the repeat the failures of the last news sources upset the policy and what the president 19 years . Yeah, well, first of all president , and then theres felt was that john bolton would this. From cbs news, three sources knowing our history, its disagree with the policy. Directly involved tell the the president would make a amazing to me how many people i work in congress, its Amazing Network that the quote, main decision that went in the to me how many people dont irritant was the president s direction he wouldnt go, he wouldnt get on board. Understand how we got to where he would continue to bush his we are right now either in belief that bolton or those close to him leaked the story views. His views were always phone. Afghanistan or iraq. They dont remember what it was about trump asking if he can use when you think about when he like after 9 11 and how we got came in, the big thing that the into these wars and they dont Nuclear Weapons to fight president wanted to do is get hurricanes. Out of the iran nuclear understand the Strategic Risk of Richard Haass, this was a agreement. He was frustrated, he fired rex going into the middle east and i think the fact that were still in iraq and afghanistan right tillerson, secretary of state. He was pushing him to stay in now are Proof Positive that we the agreement. Need to think long term if were match that never made any sense he fired h. R. Mcmaster, boltons going to get engaged in the from the beginning. Middle east. Donald trump obviously a so education is the key and then disrupter in Foreign Policy, predecessor. Once they got past that, where john bolton the same, but in pushing, in particular, our bolton and trump were aligned in completely different ways. Military to look beyond just the john bolton has advocated for getting out of the agreement, Counter Terrorism fight. To look at china and russia and the bombing of north korea. Things started to diverge. Making sure we are prepared for they didnt agree with north hes advocated for the bombing korea and most recently with the whole range of threats. Of iran. He of course advocated for the pivot potentially sitting down with iran, they really started we spent a lot of time on that to separate in terms of where in the House Armed Services bombs of iraq. Their views were, ultimately, it committee. Donald trump has taken the party brett, we remember 2004 was just that the president and the country in the opposite didnt see john bolton as loyal. Direction. You know, there has been some george w. Bush talking about mix this is two minutes searching on accomplished. The mission being aecccomplicea. Google would have told donald trump that this was a great reporting in both the relationship that would never Washington Post and the new we saw donald trump continually york times in this situation work, especially if donald trump and jeremy bash joins us now was being seen by many as talk about isis being defeated, from washington. Playing patsy to kim jongun, close to being defeated. Jeremy, the bolton, of course, now the pentagon is saying patsy to vladimir putin, and theyre fighting their way back. Thing is the headline on this, but the total dysfunction of the thats also, of course, you know even talking about meeting with the iranians with no Foreign Policy apparatus of the better than anybody else, that was your singular focus in United States of america has to preconditions. Youre exactly right. Be a strong second lead here and government. You share those same fierce as donald trump often talked fire its striking to me and i pentagon official, dont you . And fury. Suspect a few other people that well, i do. John bolton meant it, whether it it was a very good report from was north korea or iran or just today on the anniversary of the Inspector General about anybody else. September 11th, we are talking he rarely met a regime he didnt about a totally dysfunctional want to change. Donald trump was just the approach to Foreign Policy in the few allies that we have left particularly in syria. I met elisa in iraq in 2004 when opposite. Inform some ways trumps whole she was working for the agency strongly in the field. And i was working for the approach is America First. What are your thoughts . Its to wind down existing wars. Its a great point, mike. Defense department. Its amazing how long ago that i mean, this president had been its sure as hell not to get was. When i put together the campaign lucky. Our nation has been lucky. Against isis, we tried to do it into new ones. That we havent had a major in a way that took account after john bolton had a fundamentally different approach. Crisis on the lot of a very all the lessons learned, very they didnt have a preexisting relationship. I would just say two other chaos presidency. Light foot print, limited we havent had an attack on the things. One is john bolton did the homeland like 9 11. Country any favors in terms of ammunition and a large we came close if june to having coalition, it was something that his real dismantling of the you knew you had to sustain, it a scrape with the iranians, but interagency process. Every person in this job has to we avoided that, but donald wasnt over and everybody comes trump and again our nation is home. It was carefully drawn up so we balance the council role and the sort of lucky. Werent putting too many lives process role. Imagine, imagine if we had to john bolton didnt balance it. At risk. Make large decision about war secretary mattis was on the it was all him and his views and peace, about sending kids show. Rather than giving the president we lost 16 compared to thousands into harms way, about deploying of syrians and iraqis that had any sort of fair intellectual our military forces or been doing the fighting and the die him. Honest process, and going but its not of the. Negotiating a very sensitive we have a camp in northeast forward we can sit around the table and speculate whos going syria with thousands of to get the job. Tricky situation like president terrorists. We dont know what to do with the only thing i know is the constant, and the constant is bush 43 had to do in the early them. It is going to take a concerted donald trump, and unless hes days of his presidency with prepared to change his ways, the focus. The chaos and the National Question of who is number four china. If we had to do that, we need Security Team really impacts our professional, we need people quite honestly is not critical. Around the president who can own National Security here at provide facts, who can provide john bolton joins a list now thats getting bigger of people guidance, there is really a home. Congressman, the anniversary of 9 11 marks a terrible day in who came into this vacuum, there is chaos. Administration thinking they could shape the president s effectively, mike pompeo will history and the response to that thinking and influence the way serve both as National Security things went, but the power of day in afghanistan. Here we are with the president adviser and secretary of state. The president s personality but beyond that, there arent of the United States, we have always wins out. Learned a couple of days ago, perhaps we should have known this was coming when the proposed a meeting at camp david president of the United States many people around the president between the Afghan Governmentan. Stepped into north korea, his that can provide sound advice in National Security adviser was in a morning of conflict. Do you ung that idea is an texas is not a toppled appropriate one and effective mongolia at the time. State. One . If not, how should we be isnt that symbolic when you at least not yet. Send someone to mongolia when there is brandnew polling, its youre having an important meeting like that . Definitely worth talking about. Approaching afghanistan on this well run through the numbers but look, President Trump as you next on morning joe. Johnson johnson is a baby company. Anniversary. Im from michigan. Said, he knew from the jump that the average michigan der want to john bolton had a, you know, get out of afghanistan. Kind of contrarian point of view we spent too much blood and to him. They tried what they tried to treasure. Im very colored by my do was find Common Ground on the experience we need to make sure we dont leave it to fall to issue of sovereignty, and when trump is America First kind of become another strong hold for bolton was the alter ego of al qaeda or anyone else and having to go back, which is what that. America should be able to do we did for iraq. Whatever it needs to defend its but were also a cancer fighting, for me its about making sure that people understand that a hiv controlling, small force, a small stay behind joint replacing, National Security interests j r overseas. And depression relieving company. Force where the afghans are out i think carol lee that were going to hear from and her from the day youre born in front is something that still reporting kind of suggests it we never stop taking care of you. Makes sense for us as long as wasnt necessarily the idea that the afghans do their part. It was a disagreement. I think its just people are it was the idea that, you know, choosing a Health Care Provider doesnt have to be. Exhausted. Theyre exhausted by these wars. John bolton made his disagreements known. You know, we really dont know molly thats why i choose a Nurse Practitioner for my familys but we cant at the last minute what mike pompeo is saying to primary care. David my np is accessible and pull up steak stakes and leave President Trump behind the takes the time to listen. Scenes or mike pence. I love my np. It to al qaeda. My feeling is that with pompeo meeting with the taliban at camp molly our np orders tests, makes the correct diagnoses and david i have to tell you i heard its probably, you know, telling prescribes the medications we need. What he wants to hear, but john that it gave me serious pause. David my name is david and i choose an np. The idea that we are negotiating bolton went out, was kind of with the taliban, not with the molly my name is molly and we choose nps. Pretty public about leaking Afghan Government. At least when i was if these disagreements, and i think np consider an np. Visit we choose nps. Org to learn more. Government, im sure brett would he thought the president thought echo this, you dont negotiate that bolton made him look bad, with them without them. Frankly. It was striking to me we even so carol lee, lets turn to the business of hard work. You and your reporting, what was proposed this meeting given what. Hustle. And high fives. The last straw for the president they have done to our forces, modernized comfort inns and suites have been refreshed particularly leaving the afghan of the United States . Theres obviously this dispute because our business is you. Deposit out. Brett, weve all heard the saying he fired john bolton, get the lowest price guaranteed on all Choice Hotels john bolton even going on phrase forever wars, but we now when you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Have forever enemies. Twitter saying i offered my resignation before the president and you and a dozen other fired me. What are you hearing about how at verizon, were building the most powerful it happened and why it happened . 5g experience for america. National Security Professionals well, i think well, it was thats why the nfl chose verizon. A buildup obviously over time of have raised and lets react because they need the massive capacity right now, the Islamic State various policy disagreements and rises again. You are talking the largest frustrations with the way john refugee camp in syria. Bolton conducted himself im quoting here. At the largest Detention Camp in internally. Ha northeastern syria around hes not known for playing nice, twothirds of the approximately and that was also the case when 70,000 detainees are under the he joined the trump age of 12. The red cross describes administration, but too elisas point, it really was that on conditions there as apocalyptic. Every issue almost, the president would make a decision or he would outline where he ill skip the word. Thank you, willie. Wanted to go on a policy, and you know, National Security advisers disagree with this is just a feeding ground for future september 11ths. President s, you know, thats not new. Whats new is that typically the there is a camp in northeast National Security adviser will syria and there is a lot of terrorists in that camp and the get on board and execute the policy and what the president terrorists that we know of, the felt was that john bolton would head of al qaeda came out of an disagree with the policy. The president would make a egyptian prison. Decision that went in the direction he didnt want him to zarkawi came out of a u. S. Go, and then he wouldnt get on military prison facility. Bag daddy was in a u. S. Board. He would continue to push his views. His views always were known. If you think about when he came in, the big thing that the president wanted to do is get out of the iran nuclear baghdaddy was in a u. S. Prison. What happened in syria since agreement. He was frustrated. He fired rex tillerson, President Trump told to us get secretary of state who was out of syria is weve reduced pushing him to stay in the our resources 50 and increased our objectives. Agreement. He fired h. R. Mcmaster who thats a strategy fallacy. You cant increase your wanted him objectives while decreasing your resources, there isnt enough bolton and trump were aligned, priority given to this camp. Things started to diverge. This is not just an american they didnt agree on north korea obligation. This is something the world has or other issues and recently with the president s to come together and get its arms around w. Reconcerned about pivot towards potentially sitting down with iran, they really started to separate in terms of where their views with. It, ali mufon decided to put this out there to shine some ultimately, it was just that the president didnt see john bolton as loyal. Light on it. You know, carol in addition brett, im going to ask you to your reporting theres been and the congresswoman the same some great reporting today in question in succession, if we the Washington Post and new stand back almost ten years in york times on this situation, and jeremy bash joins us from the trump tenure, have we lost washington. The bolton, of course, thing, is ground . Have we held relatively stable the headline on this, but the to where we were with the obama total dysfunction of the Foreign Administration . How deep is the home we have to policy apparatus of the united dig i dig out of if there is a states of america has to be a hole at all . Assess the situation at this strong second lead here. Moment. And its striking to me and i look, weve done a pretty good job across multiple administrations, what the u. S. Has done across 9 11 suspect a few other people that today on the anniversary of september 11th, we are talking architecture kept us safe. About a totally dysfunctional Global Coalition, 80 countries approach to Foreign Policy and the few allies that we have left sharing information daytoday. That helps keep us safe. Strongly in the field. What is concerning is that what are your thoughts . Thats a great point, mike. I mean, this president has been architecture is being degraded lucky. Our nation has been lucky that daybyday. There is an acting director of we havent had a major crisis on intelligence in an acting capacity. The watch of a very so this architecture developed dysfunctional chaotic after 9 11 after the 9 11 report presidency. We havent had an attack on the is being degraded. Homeland like 9 11. Also what elisa is saying is we havent had a Major Military right. Confrontation. We came close in june to having she has been out there on the battle groound, she knows this a scrape with the iranians, but we avoided that. And shes a tremendous american. Donald trump and our nation is sort of lucky. Again i met her 15 years ago in imagine if we had to make large iraq. We have to make sure we see decisions about war and peace, these things through. About sending kids into harms you cant say theyre over and leave. We dont want to overinvest, we way, about deploying our military forces or negotiating a recognize the American People are tired of this. Congresswoman, same question. Very sensitive tricky situation i think to me the global war like president bush 43 had to do on terror, which is what we used to call it is global. In the early days of his right. You cannot do it by yourself. Presidency with china. Thats the one thing we have if we had to do that, we need learned since 9 11 is plots may professionals. We need people around the start in the middle east and go president who can provide facts, through europe and come to our who can provide guidance, and theres really a vacuum. Shores. So for me this sort of culture effectively mike pompeo will in the Trump Administration of serve as sticking our finger in the chest of your ally, alienating our but beyond that there arent many people around this allies does have an effect. President who can provide sound we used to have to call up the advice in an hour of conflict. German os tr latvians or whoever and say, hey, we notice this Richard Haass lets talk about what happens next. I talked to a Top Administration plot, can we get cooperation official last night that said with you. The more we alienate our allies that selecting the next national and make it more difficult for security adviser may be a bit them to work with us the less safe we r. I think that is a easier because of Donald Trumps problem. Congresswoman Elisa Slotkin Foreign Policy, whether you like it or not, is more defined today of michigan. Than it was three years ago. Thank you very much for being on the show this morning. That suggests that you could brett mcgirk, thank you as well. Tom brought dauda cass on hire a National Security adviser the air the morning of the september 11th attacks. Much in the model of what you he joins us next. Johnson jn is a baby company. Said a National Security adviser would be. But were also a cancer fighting, thats not somebody like john hiv controlling, bolton or even h. R. Mcmaster who joint replacing, is trying to shape policy, move and depression relieving company. Policy, but rather somebody that from the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Can move agilely between all the different cabinet heads, all the different agencies, and is acting more like, you know, a its something we take personally, and believe in passionately. Train conductor getting the its the idea that if our mothers information in and getting were diagnosed with cancer, people communicating with each other and getting the president how would we want them to be treated . Thats exactly how we care for you. The information from all the different agencieagencies. With one caveat i agree with with answers and actions. You, and thats one of the to hear your concerns, reasons if pompeo stays plays a quiet your fears, big role. Lift your spirits. I can imagine several people who have worked with pompeo moving with teams of cancer experts and specialists, into the job, brian hook who d delivering advanced Treatment Options the iran coordinator, steve and compassionate support every step of the way. All here in one place, puig with one purpose. Beegen. To fight your cancer, together. This president s kind of got to decide with north korea. Thats the mother standard of care. Do you continue to insist on this is how we inspire hope. Something you can get denuclearization. With iran do you cut a deal on this is how we heal. Some type of a nuclear accord. On afghanistan, are you prepared Cancer Treatment centers of america. To restart diplomacy, venezuela. Appointments available now. We can go around the world. The real choice for the Classical Music playing throughout Administration May not be whether you use military force or have diplomacy, its what kind of diplomacy. Are you prepared to compromise with these abhorrent or whatever you want to call them, difficult regimes, or do we continue to articulate positions that we simply cant realize . So the administration, i think, is reaching the point of decision, and thats ultimately going to be the president s call, not his National Security advisers call. Carol lee, thank you for your have you lost weight . Reporting this morning. A lot going on, and still ahead of course i have on morning joe, former ever since i started renting from national. Secretary of Homeland Security because national lets me lose the wait at the counter. Jeh johnson, former u. S. Ambassador to the u. N. Samantha. And choose any car in the aisle. Power, and congresswoman elissa and i dont wait when i return, thanks to drop go. Slotkin who served in the cia. At national, i can lose the wait. And keep it off. Plus, brand new polling just looking good, patrick. Crossed from texas, well check on the president s Approval Rating there and how the democrats stack up in their race i know. For the white house, but first vo go national. Go like a pro. Lets go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. Good morning. Overnight a tornado struck sioux falls, south dakota. It looks like the southern portion of the city was hit. No reports of any injuries. You can see how serious this tornado looked, numerous homes and significant damage. This was in the middle of the night, this little Industrial Area and also the hospital were some of the hardest hit areas. Well get more details throughout the show this morning. The other interesting thing that happened overnight, the National Hurricane center said this now, theres skyrizi. 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Concerns, and how about the heat visit skyrizi. Com. In the middle of the country. It continues from the south up the east coast today, triple but were also a cancer fighting, digit heat, 102 it will feel like in memphis and even in new hiv controlling, york city it will feel like joint replacing, and depression relieving company. Mid90s today in d. C. , 96 from the day youre born degrees. So summer continues to roll on we never stop taking care of you. In areas of the midatlantic and throughout the south. So after some morning clouds, that heat and humidity will be on in new york city this afternoon could be our last hot. Live pictures from lower day of the summer. Manhattan and the pentagon as the nation marks the 18th youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Anniversary oft 11 of 9 11. Woman on phone discover. Hi. Do you have a travel card . Yep. Our miles card. Earn unlimited 1. 5 miles solemn ceremonies are taking and well match it at the end of your first year. 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I think about people, i dont think about policy, i think about the children, the widows, family is all togetherect. The widowers, they left behind and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. How could it get any better than this . And what they must be feeling right now. Dad, i just caught a goldfish in the hours after this happened, it was the hopelessness of the moment, theres no goldfish in this lake. Willie, when hospitals got no patients, when families got no word back. Whoa and for days, there was this sad its pure gold. Were gonna be rich. Fate, hope that somebody might were gonna be rich survive when thousands did not. It only gets better when you switch and save with geico. Were going to now take a pause to recognize the first moment of around here, the only predictable thing silence 18 years later after about the weather is its unpredictable. So we make the most of it when the sun does shine. 9 11. 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His Approval Rating remains almost unchanged from last month, down one point. Meanwhile, almost six in ten so thats the first moment of silence to mark the 9 11 registered voters polled said that trump does not deserve a attacks. Second term in office. Mikaela, obviously, on that thats interesting. 39 said he does. Morning, you were you rushed theres a brand new quiuquen ne into cbs news and they immediately had you go down to ground zero. You ran 50, 60 blocks got down there, you were there for two texas, 45 among texas voters. 50 say they disapprove of weeks and it was, a terrible trumps job performance. When it comes to the democrats race for president , joe biden leads the 2020 field by ten points at 28 . Time and we all ran down there, anyone senator Elizabeth Warren follows in second place at 18 . Who was covering, any reporter ran down there to could have the senator Bernie Sanders and story and to cover the story former texas congressman beto and then we found ourselves orourke share third place with running away from the unimaginable. That is the towers tumbling 12 of texas voters backing down. Tom brokaw was on the air while their respective runs. New polling from New Hampshire the country was under attack on shows joe biden and elizabeth september 11th, 2001, heres how warren in a statistical tie. Tom framed the tragic events the latest emerson poll has biden leading the democratic that very morning. Reporter the magnitude of field by three points at 24 in this will go on some time. The first in the nation primary. This is not just a national tragedy, but this is a National Security event of an untold warren follows at 21 , and Bernie Sanders sits in third magnitude that this country will place with 13 of New Hampshire have to deal with. The president is coming back. Voters backing his run. We are at war in effect, this the poll also takes a look at country has suffered a head to heads against president devastating attack that will trump with biden leading trump cost us a loss of life, it will by ten points, 55 to 45. Cost us in terms of our psychological security that we have in this country. Were going to have to revisit andrew yang also defeats trump a lot of our freedoms as a by eight points. Result of this kind of an attack and then, of course, there is Elizabeth Warren loses to trump the whole question of by two points. Retaliation. This place remains an enormous i feel like that last number is worth discussing. I think it is worth target in the eyes of so many discussing. Well get to that this a second. People. Willie, lets talk about the we are so vulnerable because of first numbers we went through, all those things that make us so the president s reelected about great. I think its 38 , over 55 of our freedoms and our sense of security we sponsor. America has been changed today by all this. As always, tom, its americans dont think donald trump deserves reelection. His Approval Rating once again extraordinarily prescient there. In the 30s. Tom joebs us now. This is, again, for somebody 9 11 joins us now. Whos been president for three years, the old rule used to be 9 11 partner michael barrish. If you reelect hes below 50 michael represents thousands youre in big trouble. Donald trumps reelect First Responders who suffered nationwide is below 40 , and in from the toxic dust at ground a lot of the swing states weve zero and continues to fight for seen over the past couple of them to this day through work months, its actually in the low for the 9 11 victims 30s. Im sorry, it doesnt matter how coen many people blindly give him tom, you summed it up all too money, the matrix that theyre spitting out there, when you years ago this morning. Have numbers like that, it you said, we are at war, and it is a war that we continue tt reminds me of brit humes famous all of this. First of all, i had said those saying, you can have all the dog buildings are going to have to be brought down, but of course, they came down on their own. Food commercials you want, but if the dog doesnt eat the food, and then almost immediately, i was spending a lot of time in youre out of luck. Iraq and afghanistan, and i knew weve talked about this the consequences of going to war before, people are so bitten by because i was talking to people the 2016 election and being so wrong about what was going to on the ground. Obviously, iraq was a shiite happen they hesitate even at this preponderance of evidence country, but the sunnis were that the president s numbers are just terrible, 39 again. Aligned with the shia at that hes never crossed 50 pre in a point. They said, we do not want you major poll. Coming in here and telling us 39 and almost 60 of americans, how to live our lives. When i had have those exchanges with dick cheney and others in 60, say he should not be the administration, they would reelected. He should not be returned to say, well, they have to say office. So when you look at those that. Well, i dont think they have to democratic numbers on the other say that. I think theyll be resisting side, it sets up a very whatever we decide they should interesting debate tomorrow have. So it was very consequential, night, joe, where for the first time we will see joe biden on the decision to go to war. It still plays out 19 years the stage with Elizabeth Warren, later in afghanistan, to a on the stage with Bernie Sanders, and they can have an lesser degree in iraq, but we honest to goodness debate about are losing people constantly sort of the moderate wing of the there, and those decisions were party in joe biden and the more very consequential at that time. Progressive side of it with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. To say nothing, obviously, of but this is playing out the way the Emotional Trauma in this its played out all summer. Country. We had kind of a safe house for joe biden Holding Steady at the top with Elizabeth Warren friends of ours children who surging. You know, Mike Barnicle, you lost loved ones there, and they came up and spent time with us talk to democrats and i dont in westchester county. Know you do as well, we all do, so, the trauma was felt, and i and it seems as if i mean, thought it would be much more this is just im just reporting what everybodys consequential politically than saying behind the scenes, that its turned out to be. Yeah, you know, willie is joe bidens campaign seems like a slow motion train wow. You were talking about the personal loss, the grieving, and derailment, that they believe hes not going to make it to the you can talk about the policy end. That was changed, but it also its just what you hear from changes and has changed over the past 18 years the way we look at almost every democratic insider, ourselves, the way we look at and they believe and many fear our country, the way that we that Elizabeth Warren is moving toward this nomination eventually. Look at others. If that, in fact, is the case, and the grieving continues. And many of those children that those New Hampshire numbers, saw that and some of them its only one poll, but those were too young to remember 9 11, New Hampshire numbers in the 18 years later, are actually head to head matchup with trump fighting in afghanistan. Actually underline something yeah, thats an extraordinary truth that some of the people that i hear from democrats, a who will have no memory of 9 11 growing fear that shes running are now over there fighting the a Strong Campaign but will not be a strong general election war that began that day 18 years candidate. Here you see even andrew yang ago. Tom, ill just say again what joe said. I watched that footage of you handily defeats donald trump. And i get chills of how hey, donald trump, youre important your voice was on that getting pounded by andrew i morning. I didnt work at nbc then, but i cant think. Hes promising to give people was watching. I didnt feel good. I didnt feel okay. But i felt like there was some like whatever they want, and youre losing to him. Stability there because of you. You want 5,000 . So, thank you for what you did. Okay, ill get you 5. Well, can i just also say you want 10,000 . Something about our business . Sure. No sweat, baby. It was across the board. Youre losing to him but you go all of the networks did a great down to Elizabeth Warren, the job that day. And thats the power of person that most democratic television. It can unify the country when insiders say right now seems to there is that kind of a trauma. Be on the pathway to winning the everybody has a screen. All the screens were turned to nomination, and shes losing, and shes the next door that, whether it was abc or nbc or cbs or cnn. Neighbor. Thats sort of like shes got and it was a time for us to come the home field advantage. Can you explain that number . Together and it was the power of yeah, lets stipulate first, communication that i think not only unified the country but joe that Elizabeth Warren has gave us a kind of foundation to run an incredibly great go forward. Campaign. Incredible. And michael, lets talk about incredible. She was written off earlier this year in the spring, and whats happened since, since that day. Well, ill tell you, tom is shes come charging forward. Her rallies are electric. More prophetic than he knew when he talked about the unknown she is specific with her magnitude. Right. Because were still having proposals. She does indeed have a plan for what i call the forgotten victims the students, the most things, but theres a teachers, the 300,000 office lethal aspect to her campaign workers, the 25,000 residents. When you take the thing to the theyre still getting cancer country in the fall, and its every single day. Things like medicare for all. Theyve linked 68 cancers now to the World Trade Center toxins. Its decriminalization along the and not a day goes by without border, elements like that where one of my clients dying. Shes got to figure out a way to its horrifying. Come back to the middle, and so, the Fire Department in that brings you to joe biden. New york lost 343 firefighters that day. Thats where he is. And now over 205 since as a thats where hes run his result of 9 11 illnesses. So, its fair to say the day campaign since the day he is not terribly far away when we announced. Hes a moderate. This isdee yesterday will have lost climbing as they in North Carolina, which gave and more illnesses, more and every person working for the Democratic Party to target thei more cancers to the list. You know, one of the things willie and i were voters and get out the vote in talking about this earlier, the fall. Whats happened to us as a the suburban voters, the city country. That may have been, probably voters, theyre going to go was, the last time this country was unified, truly unified. Democrat. You know where the republicans are going to go. And the way we measure history yeah, sorry about that, mike. Today, with all of these things so im tired from staying up we have twitter and instagram watching the red sox lose and everybody so, history is another game last night. A function for most people, is yeah. Like what happened at 6 00 a. M. That was a tough one. Or maybe yesterday afternoon. And i wonder and i worry about so we at least got one inning. The impact of september 11th, the memory of september 11th, still the impact of September Mira says we should put an 11th podium on stage tonight since 11th today whats it like out there beyond manhattan, beyond boston, where the flights cashen survived an inning. Originated from . Whats it like out there in the dont bring up yankees middle of the country . Do they realize still what baseball, we dont want to hear about it. Last night was a rough night, happened . For the people who came toho i wont talk about it. There is a problem, though, all over the country, the sad reality is they dont realize that their cancers that they got again, im only talking about in 2008, let alone last year, democrats, that they wont have been linked to those world most of them wont say it on the air, most of them wont say it, trade center toxins. So theyre getting sick and but real concerns that elizabeth dying all over the country, and they dont realize that theres warrens running a great race. Now the Victim Compensation fund and the Free Health Care from shes running the strongest campai campaign. The concerns about joe biden niosh, from the world trade keep rising. Center health program. Thats why this third debate is and thats why i am so glad that youre helping us spread the so extraordinarily important to word about this. Tom, one of the things you him. There are a lot of democrats who said a second ago is you fear that bidens going to reflected on the political consequences have been less than collapse. Warrens going to win, and then you expected. And in some ways, you think theyre going to have a matchup about the direct kind of political implications and the where Elizabeth Warren gets ways 9 11 has faded for a lot of blown away in states like texas people in memory. At the same time, it seems to me and states like wisconsin and if you go back and play out that states like pennsylvania that history, 9 11 leads to the iraq republicans should be losing. War. The iraq war at this moment i hear the same thing, and i still seems to be defining. Think the tension for an you dont have donald trump as Elizabeth Warren is if she were president of the United States to get the nomination, is she if you dont have the iraq war and the sentiment in the country that americas overextended able to do the pivot, the itself in trying to be the candidates historically have worlds policeman. Done and not lose her base and it feels to me like the knockon effects, not the direct persuade others that shes political implications of 9 11, but the indirect ones are legitimate. I think theres also the question, joe, that if youre defining our politics still to this day. Well, what is also striking right that joe biden does to me, and ill go back to this ultimately fade, his support is for a moment, this was the broader than it is deeper, one of the questions is when and traumatic event because we were how, and is there time for knitted together. Everybody saw what was going on, somebody else to step up and however remote they were, claim the centrist alternative wherever they were in this to the progressives, whether country. But at the same time, there was its Kamala Harris or somebody else. So that to me is also another not ever an appreciation of what we were getting into in the sub text of the debate this week middle east. Is do we begin to see a centrist afghanistan has been invaded thousands of times over 2,000 alternative to joe biden and to years, and hank crumpton, who ran that war brilliantly for the either Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders . The other possibility is joe cia, knew what he was getting biden does really well and for into. That was not the case in iraq. Democrats that is the best bet they thought that they could go in there and clean it up, you can remember, in just a matter because its going to be pretty hard for an Elizabeth Warren or of a few days. But it was a terribly costly a Kamala Harris to establish lesson in how much we dont know that Comfort Level with perhaps about the middle east and how we the people who voted for trump still havent figured it out in a lot of ways. Who need a place to go, who you know, i was in iraq a lot of wont do it again. Times. I was in afghanistan a lot of theyll vote for biden. Times. I remember being ill just im not sure theyll vote for tell one quick story. When we were being told by the anybody else in the field. The hope for democrats, the best administration, we can clean this up in a hurry because the hope is that biden gets really strong on the stage. Sunnis will be on our side as what Donald Trumps team the majority religion there, and theyll take on the shia. Thinks is even if they dont vote for biden, right, they will i went to a school away from my stay home thinking, well, biden minder, so to speak. And it was a Graduation Day at a suny school 1,000 kids, a lot isnt a, quote, socialist. Of them doing american studies. Biden is not going to take away and when i said, what happens if my familys health insurance. The United States comes, they biden is not going to make us Comfort Level. Turned absolutely coldblooded and said well fight you to the find a new pediatrician death. And i said, but youre shiite. Your leader is sunni. For our children, biden is not going to decriminalize illegal were iraqis. Thats what you dont understand. And it was that kind of immigration. Im not going to vote for the fundamental not understanding, guy, but i cant vote for donald and then letting the army go away after they took down saddam trump either, the guy whos acted too crazy. Was a terrible mistake, frankly. Im going to stay at home. Bidens the best care these were paid people. They were in the army because thats the only way they could scenario for democrats. Earn a living. We could have turned them, but we didnt, and were still paying the price. If its Elizabeth Warren or well, tom brokaw, thank you Bernie Sanders, they will actually motivate people who in so many ways for your perspective, your reporting, your insight in the moment, and were skept cical on troufrump t 18 years later. Out and vote. M cog up, a lot to discuss and michael barrish, thank you. With our next guest, former the victims of 9 11 were not Homeland Security secretary jeh just those who died that day. Im glad you remember. Johnson is standing by. Thank you. The thousands of people who really put their lives on hold and u. S. National security 18 years after 9 11. To try and help and then ended up getting sick as well. Morning joe is back in a moment. The sort of Ripple Effect of 9 11 is still lasting, joe, today, for those who were there, for those who lost somebody, for those who tried to help, for those who covered the story. Its never going to leave us. Yeah, it is. It will never leave us. And leaders have used that event Classical Music playing throughout to divide us in many ways. I know right after 9 11, though, as tom alluded to and others have alluded to, this country was united. Yeah. I was in pensacola, florida, at the time, taking my child to school. But ill tell you what, i felt the same feeling, whether i was in northwest florida or whether i was in new york city. We were one people with one purpose. And all of those people that were coming out of the rubble of its how we care for our patients 9 11, and you saw the dust like job. His team at ctca treated his cancer scattered on them, you could not and side effects. So job can stay strong for his family. Tell their nationality. You couldnt tell what color Cancer Treatment centers of america. They were. We were one america. Appointments available now. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Yesss, im doing it all. Let us pray that in the coming the water. Years, we can move beyond that the exercise. And become one america again. The fiber. Month after month, well, well work for that. And i still have belly pain and recurring constipation. And that does it for us this morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the so i asked my doctor what else i could do, coverage right now. Thanks so much, mika. And i said yesss to linzess. Thanks, joe. Hi, there. Linzess treats adults with ibs i am stephanie ruhle. With constipation or it is wednesday, september 11th, chronic constipation. Linzess is not a laxative, it works differently. 18 years almost to the minute that the first plane struck the it helps relieve belly pain and lets you have twin towers. And now, nearly two decades more frequent and complete bowel movements. 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And i said yesss to linzess but while his departure illustrates the chaos and for help with belly pain infighting of this and recurring constipation. Administration, most americans are probably going to let that ask your doctor. Slide, as long as the president and his team are able to keep this country safe. I have a fantastic team here. Carol lee has brandnew, exclusive reporting about how john boltons departure unfolded. Ben rhodes served as deputy National Security adviser to president obama. Nick rasmussen was Award Winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. Our most awarded luxury suv. And were learning more about a top spy for the cia who multiple reports say was successfully exfiltrated by the United States from russia back in mid2017. According to the Washington Post a former russian Government Official thought to be that individual has been hiding in plain sight in the washington, d. C. Area and has been going by his own name, which nbc news is not reporting over safety concerns. It backs up nbc news reporting that current and former Government Officials say that a former senior russian official who had access to government secrets is currently living in the Washington Area under u. S. Government protection. Nbc news has not confirmed that this official is the cia asset mentioned in reports stating he was instrumental in helping the cia learn about Russian Election interference. However, two former fbi officials tell nbc news they believe he is the source referred to in those reports. A russian newspaper also reports that the individual disappeared in 2017 during a Family Vacation in montenegro. Nbc news is not reporting the name of someone believed to be that individual and other key details at the request of u. S. Officials who say reporting the information could endanger his life. However, that hasnt stopped Kremlin Press Secretary demetrius pes kof who according to russias state run tasks reacted to the reports in u. S. Media by naming an individual who previously worked in putins president ial administration. This does bring to mind a 2015 episode involving the founder to russias state funded rt network who died under mysterious circumstances in a Dupont Circle hotel days before he was set to meet with u. S. Justice department investigators. Jeremy bash, what questions does this raise, especially about election interference . Well, there are a lot of concerning aspects about the story and frankly a lot of concerning aspects about the reporting. Id be remiss if i didnt say this, i think it was a mistake and it was fairly irresponsible of a lot of American National media organizations to go out there and be so specific about the way that we utilized a human source, even going so far as to identifying his address, and some organizations even published his name. I get it. The point is that the russians did it, and of course the russians knew of an individual the moment he didnt show up for work one day, but these are our human sources and in theory if the reporting is somewhat accurate, this is someone who frankly is a hero because this individual risked his or her life by being an asset in place on behalf of the United States collecting Vital Information providing it to our government and then basically risked their life by getting out with his or her family. I think weve got to tamp down a lot of the discussion about the persons house, the street, the detailed rortsecords. It does point to a larger point, which is of course we need information about the way the kremlin is going to interfere in 2020. We know its on putins agenda. If we dont have the intelligence apparatus to understand it, were going to be blind. Thank you very much for being on this morning. Willie. Joining us here in new york, former secretary of Homeland Security under president obama, jeh johnson. Good morning. Thanks for having me. We want to talk to you about the 18th anniversary of 9 11, and also get you in on some of the matters of the day, some of the news out there including a conversation about this democratic president ial field. Theres another debate tomorrow night. After the first debate in miami back in july, you wrote a column in the Washington Post expressing some frustration with what you saw on the stage that night around the conversation about immigration, and that included some of the candidates on stage saying it should not be a crime to come to this country illegally, that you should be allowed to stay. What is your message to democrats as they take the stage again tomorrow night on issues like immigration . All right well, first of all, that Washington Post oped was probably version two. Version one was a little more animated. So what was your frustration . Look, most americans want to be fair and treat in a humane way those who have migrated here who are desperate, who are fleeing really bad conditions. We want to take care of people who came here as children. We want to take care of the dreamers, but americans also want secure borders. They want to get control of illegal migration, and thats true, i know from laredo, texas, to detroit, michigan, and so when we talk about deprioritizing the deportation of those apprehended at the border or decriminalizing illegal immigration, i know that were going way too far to the left of the american consensus on where we should be on this, and you just cannot have a policy where a Border Patrol agent arrests someone at the border and says, in effect, you get to stay here unless you commit a crime. Right. That just simply incentivizes more illegal immigration. We lose control of our borders. In the same vein, by taking a formal step of decriminal uizin illegal immigration, what were saying as a country or society is were prepared to see a lot more of this. Society is prepared to see that behavior perhaps regularly but en masse and i dont think thats where the American People are. Im a democrat, im a loyal democrat, and i want to see us win in 2020, but to do that weve got to appeal to the wide consensus out there on immigration and a lot of other issues. This is no endorsement of the Trump Administrations policies at the border, youre just warning democrats not to go too far to the left. Youve got a line where you write those who aspire to Public Office should not espouse Campaign Promises that have no prospect for success. This is a disservice to our democracy and assumes voters are fools. Who are you talking to there . Everybody. Every candidate. Every democrat. Every democrat including andrew yang whos apparent ri eight points ahead of donald trump, i think thats a really interesting poll. Richard haass what do you make of his analysis on the democratic field and immigration. Its also on taking health care away, private health care conceivably from 175 million americans. You just have to resist the pull to the far left that would preclude you from ever this at the end of the day is not a progressive country. This is a pretty moderate country. The question is can democrats on all these issues. What about Foreign Policy, you dont see on National Security, theres a little bit of that in the immigration conversation, what about more broadly whether its trade or on quote, unquote forever wars, whats your sense of the Foreign Policy conversation on the democratic side . To what extent does that also make you uneasy . I think americans expect their government to whether its Homeland Security or the military to keep them safe, to do whats necessary to keep them safe. While i was in office, my goal, which i believe was supported be by the American People is keep us safe but lets stay true to our values, preserve our Civil Liberties but also preserve our physical security. So much of what we do in National Security, and you know this richard, is striking the right balance between preserving our values and preserving our physical safety. Mr. Secretary, i mean, to follow the point it seems as if, you know, the democrats are, you know, focused a lot on the criticism of the president s policy without specifically presenting their own ideas and not, you know, on the issue of democracy and Foreign Policy, not kind of acknowledging the changes that brought trump here in the United States and you know, brexit and Boris Johnson and all of these populous movements sweeping through, do you think democrats are putting forward enough . We talked about Elizabeth Warren putting forward her specific proposals but that theyre caught too much in, you know, trump should not be president . Look, if were talking about an affirmative position on National Security, take afghanistan, for example. I believe that rather than a true presence of say 100,000 or complete withdrawal, what the United States needs to do, at least for the time being, is to keep a force in place there at the levels that fairly guarantee that no other terrorist organization can reestablish a cal fate there, at least in the shortterm until theres a more stable government there, until the civil war between the taliban and the Afghan Government is somehow resolved. I think we have to continue some level of presence there to keep the American People safe. I agree that when youre tal ca, it should be America First. Our National Interests first, and one of the ways to do that is through alliances, and jim mattis talks about this a lot, through alliances ensure our safety around the world in places like afghanistan, in praises like somalia, yemen, pakistan, iraq, and elsewhere. That would mean, though, that you would oppose the candidates who are calling for unconditional calendar based withdrawals from afghanistan because were hearing that. That is correct. I would oppose any such thing. I think we need to maintain some level of presence in afghanistan to ensure that al qaeda or the Islamic State does not establish a callphate there. Let many ask both of you, its september 11th, 2019. This country has been extremely fortunate due to the diligence, the sacrifice, the hard work of Many Americans on the front lines in the war on terror. Correct. Lets say france wired within syria, theres a specific issue that could be explosive later today or tomorrow, so the National Security director for macron, who does he call here . Thats a good question. Theres been so much turn in this administration were now considering people for jobs that were fired in round one. I saw tom bossert was on the list. Recycling. Recycling. Right, right. Mark morgan was fired in the early days of this administration. Hes now at hes now at i. C. E. So your question demonstrates the volatility of so much turnover in this administration, but on the question of 9 11, mike, a lot of people ask me are we safer today than we were 18 years ago . The answer is yes and no. Were safer in the respect that our government does a much better job of detecting and preventing large scale foreign directed terrorist attacks on the homeland. I cant tell you the number of overseas plots that we stopped in their tracks over the last 18 years, countless to keep the American People safe. Where were challenged now are the smaller scare terrorist inspired attacks by the selfradicalized either by something they see and read from a Foreign Terrorist Organization or extreme right wing violent nationalism. People ask me, whats the answer . I say the first three answers are gun safety, gun safety, gun safe safety, and we just have to address this. If joe manchin and pat toomey can get together on this and thes are t states with strong positions on the Second Amendment if they can exercise the political courage to come together on this, the rest of the congress ought to be able to do that, and i think that the time is now finally right for congress to do something about gun safety. We have to address that as a matter of our public sauffety a Homeland Security. Theres been an acknowledgment, a public acknowledgment from the director of the fbi that the majority of the plots disrupted in the last year were domestic oriented and were from white supremacist violence. Is there finally now a change in posture from intelligence agencies . Right wing violent nationalist attacks now outpace attacks inspired by Foreign Terrorist Organizations. The Antidefamation League and others have tracked that, and look, whether its foreign inspired, domestic inspired, we have to address first and foremost for the safety of the American People the ability of a violent deranged individual to get his hands on a gun, particularly an assault weapon in this country, and if we do not, our leaders in congress and in the white house are letting down the American People. This cant go on. Former secretary of Homeland Security jeh johnson, we always appreciate your insights particularly on the an rers niv of 9 11. Well talk to another member of the obama power team, former u. S. Ambassador to the United Nations, samantha power. Before we go to break, a look at the pentagon just moments ago where the United States flag was unfurled ahead of todays 9 11 Memorial Service there. Were back in just a moment. Theyre americas biopharmaceutical researchers. Pursuing lifechanging cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs. 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It is wednesday, september 11th with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor Mike Barnicle, journalist and resident at Georgetown University school of Foreign Service elise labott, National Affairs analyst for nbc news john heilemann, hes the cohost and executive producer of show times the circus and host of Andrea Mitchell reports, Andrea Mitchell. Well get to the ouster of john bolton in just a moment, but first a new cnn poll finds that more than half of americans say they disapprove of President Trumps job performance. Trumps disapproval sits at 55 . His Approval Rating remains almost unchanged from last month down one point to 39 . Meanwhile, almost six in ten registered voters polled said trump does not deserve a second term in office. 39 said he does. Interesting question about deserving a second term. John heilemann, weve said this before, the old rule in politics used to be that if an incumbent reelects below 50 , theyre in trouble. That of course has changed in these divisive times but ill tell you what, being below 40 and in some of the swing states being in the low 30s, that takes it to an entirely new level, and you know, i was saying this to a friend yesterday that very involved in president ial politics that when i talk to people involved in the Trump Campaign and they Start Talking about all the money theyre raising and they Start Talking about the matrixes, all this, all that, i say this reminds me of somebody. Who does this remind me of . Robbie mook. They are talking now like the Clinton Campaign was talking in 2015 thinking that all the money in the world and all the analytics in the world can sauf save a candidate that is just disliked by american voters. Theres no doubt, joe, that all the things you just said are true starting with the notion that its the case that weve seen a couple of president s in recent times, particularly barack obama who for most of his first term was a little under 50 in terms of his Approval Rating and whos the right track wrong track numbers through most of that period in 2012 were not on his side. Things have changed. Being below 50 is survivable for an incumbent president , but being below 40 is a truly worrying thing. The president of the United States is going to come into this Reelection Campaign in a historically weak position, not a position in which he cant win but a position where he is historically weak. If he drew a straight flush in 2016, hes going to have to draw a straight royal flush in 2020. We now see people modeling worlds where donald trump could lose the popular vote by 5 million, not the 2. 5 million he lost in 2016. Theres a way you can get to the Electoral College 270 and still lose the popular vote overwhelmingly. That said, anybody on the Trump Campaign who thinks that data, analytics, having a lead on facebook, all of the things they have, which are real, that its going to overcome the profound unpopularity of the president , that that is going to be enough is smoking something, and id like to know what brand it is, id like to take some for myself. Easy. The reality is the president the problem the president has to do, and well talk about this more i know with the rest of the polls, the president , the only thing that can save the president is turning this race into a choice, not a referendum, and having a really unpopular democratic candidate. Think about this, willie following up on what john saud and what ive been hearing, somebody close to the Trump Campaign was telling me yesterday again, theyre in this dream world thinking, again, theyve got you know, because they ran basically there were three people running the campaign in 2016 throughout most of the primaries, right . So now theyre the establishment figure. Theyve got all the money. Theyve got all the analytics. Theyve got everything that they need, and yet somebody in the trump orbit said yesterday we have already spent more money on online ads than we spent in the entire primary campaign, and were still sitting in the 30s. Money cant make the dogs eat the food. Thats right. Im reminded as youre talking about the algorithms that the Trump Campaign says it has now of the story you and i know of James Carville when he was told by the Clinton Campaign, dont worry, everything is fine. We have an al fwgorithmalgorith. I got an algorithm. He knew in his gut that something was wrong there. I think there are a lot of people, republicans, perhaps some of these suburban voters that voted against a republican last night in the charlotte area in North Carolina, even though the republican won there, who see in their gut that this isnt going well, that this isnt the way they want the country to be run. As john says, there are many paths to the election for President Trump, theres a new quinnipiac poll from texas, that states stands at 45 among voters there. 50 say they disapprove of President Trumps job performance, under water in the state of texas. When it comes to the democrats race for president , joe biden leads the 2020 field by ten points in the state of texas at 28 . Is that right Elizabeth Warren follows in second place at 18. Senator Bernie Sanders and former texas congressman beto orourke share third place with 12 and new polling from New Hampshire shows joe biden and Elizabeth Warren in a statistical tie, the latest emerson poll has biden leading the democratic field by three points at 24 in that first in the nation primary. Warren follows at 21 , and Bernie Sanders sitting in third place at 13 . The poll also takes a look at head to heads against President Trump with biden leading trump by ten points, 55 to 45. Andrew yang also defeating trump by eight points. However Elizabeth Warren loses to trump by two points, 49 to 51. Troublesome number perhaps there, Andrea Mitchell for Elizabeth Warren, but what do you see in those head to head matchups . Biden is still on top. Bidens got some problems state to state. In another poll yesterday i believe he was very strong in south carolina, where he has so much africanamerican support, but he was falling behind Bernie Sanders and falling behind Elizabeth Warren as well. If you look at the state to state polls, which is what we all look at here, not the popular vote, he does not have the dominant lead that he has. Hes got really big stakes coming up with Elizabeth Warren in that te badebate. And andrew yangs support, i heard jeh johnson say that earlier and former pentagon official, he also knows politics. Yes, he does, elise labott theres just a Comfort Level with joe biden. Theres a Comfort Level with joe biden and some of these other candidates particularly Elizabeth Warren whos doing so well. It just seems so progressive and to the left, even if there were people that would want to vote against President Trump, similarly the way they voted for trump against Hillary Clinton, i think they just dont have that Comfort Level, and thats why Elizabeth Warren has been calling up Democratic Party leaders to say listen, just similarly to the way amy globe sh klobuchar did in the first debate, im not this crazy progressive. I want to bring the party to the center. I think the fact that all of these candidates including andrew yang are doing so well against trump just shows there is such this trump fatigue. I dont even think necessarily its about, you know, individual policies, of course immigration and thats really one of the big issues, i think dividing the country and the divisions itself. I think that just the whole idea that things that really got trump elected his personality, his populist attitude, his disruption are now just kind of making the country so tired, and his personality is really working against him i think. So now lets get to Andrea Mitchell, the ouster of National Security adviser john bolton. Is it the third now . Fourth. Third National Security adviser. Its the fourth . Is it the fourth . How many have we had . We started with flynn. Were looking for the fourth. Yeah. There was an acting National Security adviser after mike flynn, but that doesnt count. Got it. So right, so we are in i think a period of quite a large amount of upheaval in terms of our Foreign Policy and the staffing of this administration. I think the question to jeh johnson on this show about who exactly would receive a phone call from the president of france in the middle of the night, we dont know who that is, actually, at this point. But also, lets talk andrea about what went down yesterday when this happened. The president oent went on twitter. He vehemently said it was him that fired bolton. Bolton started calling reporters saying actually, no i left. I wonder if this exit from the administration might be a little different in terms of what we hear on the other side. Because when you hire a fox news commentator who auditioned for the job on fox news, youre going to get somebody who goes back on the air or who talks. I mean, he was tweeting his objections. He was texting reporters including our own reporters at the white house immediately. I was on the air when this all happened. It happened one minute before we started our show, so we blew everything out and just went wall to wall for the hour, and people were texting in and showing me their texts from john bolton as we were rocking back and forth. The fact is he is going to be very outspoken. He is not leaving quietly at all as you point out mika, and hes going to outline his differences. H. R. Mcmaster has not been heard from. Hes been working on his book. He left quietly. Jim mattis has been criticized for coming on your program, my program, and other programs and not being more critical of the president , you know, after quitting in protest and writing a very pointed resignation letter, but has demurred from being sharply critical, you knowing, saying that as a retired general he has another obligation. No one who has left the National Security team is going to be as outspoken as john bolton. This is incredible and elise labott let me just say quickly. They disagreed on so many issues. What youre going to see now is a president who is unrestrained. Mike pompeo will pull him back in some instances but has been very clear that he is not going to go against this president. He was all smiles in that White House Briefing roof yesterday, he and Steve Mnuchin about the departure of john bolton and he disagreed with bolton, the president did on iran and north korea, afghanistan, on every possible issue, and now what is going to be the guardrail . Well see whether mike pompeo is actually in effect de facto or literally the National Security adviser in a kissinger mode because its going to be a pompeo loyalist who takes over. So elise, you just get the feeling having said that, andrea, that this was very abrupt. There isnt a long resignation letter. No. The president s not being protected in terms of, you know, bolton being sort of elegant and leaving quietly. This is abrupt. Whos going to replace him . Just to your point, mika, i mean, listen say what you will about john bolton and his policy views, hes a lot more of a hawk than anybody, and weve talked about that on this show a lot, but he stuck to the principles that he had, and so the idea that now they had a policy disagreement, i think, you know, i think President Trump is going to see when some of these views happen, some of these policies tank, hes going to need someone to talk tough to him, and i dont know if mike pompeo is going to do that. Hes really going to need to step up and give President Trump husband unvarnished views. Right now i think hes going along with what President Trump wants and trying to implement. My understanding and there are some there are some names out there. Weve heard Keith Kellogg who was an adviser to Vice President mike pence, brian hook as we said, the iran envoy, and rick waddell who also works in Central Asian and was a deputy National Security adviser. My understanding is that the white house has no idea who they want, and yesterday i spoke to several people in the Foreign Policy community that said they were getting calls from intermediaries between Jared Kushner and others asking for names. Its going to have to be someone that can work with secretary pompeo as you heard Lindsey Graham say, but it is going to be someone thats going to be more someone whos going to call the Foreign Policy process as opposed to an adviser. Thats why its going to be so key for secretary pompeo to fill that kissinger role in terms of really advising the president on the best course, not what he wants to hear. Scrambling. John heilemann, think about the politics, how this lines up politically. You have a National Security adviser whos fired for not being sufficiently willing to deal with the taliban, not protaliban enough a politician could say because he didnt want the taliban to come to camp david without absolutely no preconditions, absolutely no planning whatsoever. You could say the same thing about he was insufficiently proputin. He was insufficiently prokim jongun and pronorth korea, and he was insufficiently you could go down the the list, iran. Donald trump now wants to talk to the iranians. Right. With no preconditions. Right. Its just again, this is its like lets make a deal, and he will play lets make a deal with the worst dictators and thugs in the world. If there were any candidate that could even pretend to be strong on the campaign trail, this is a glaring political weakness for a guy who tries to show strength, hes going to be patsy to the worst dictators in the world. What you have in trump in this instance, i think, joe is a characteristic that a lot of rich people, especially rich people in business have, and its that thing you meet enough tycoons and moguls, they have this incredibly, not based to see my point of view. I can close this sale, and for many of them who are rich, they have some evidence that theyve been successful in that space before, so you have donald trump whos beyond the normal tycoon, beyond the normal mogul in his degree of narcissism, his degree of selfinvolvement, his degree of unshakable in his case not necessarily quite so rooted in reality view of his ability to close the deal in the room. Its not about ideology, and its not about any consistent world view, its about he wants a National Security adviser who will believe in his salesmanship to the degree that he does and will basically just agree with anything he wants to do. And yeah, i think as a political matter, one of the things that a strong democratic nominee is going to should be doing in the course of this campaign is pointing out just the absolute fecklessness of the trump Foreign Policy and how that narcissism has kept donald trump from advancing american interests across the world. He cant point to very many examples, if any examples, where that faith in himself has borne out in reality. Well, and willie, john brings up a great point. The underlying conceit of Donald Trumps entire political career has been, oh, i can make deals better than those idiots. I mean, come on, trade wars are easy. Negotiating with the north koreans is easy. Negotiating with the taliban nothing to it. I mean, and john is right. I mean, when i was in politics, id always hear from these business people, the ones i especially loved were the ones who inherited all of their money from daddy, and they would come, you know, you guys are such idiots and all you need to do is go in and point a finger and say this is how its going to get done. And you sit there and go that would be great but the fact that there are 534 of them other than me, so it doesnt work quite that way, cowboy. But that is thats the underlying conceit. There is a history of that. Thats what got fdr in trouble according to historians. Fdr thought always believe in the power of his own persuasion even with somebody like joe stalin. Thats what donald trump has believed in all interactions with foreign leaders. I can just sit down and talk to them, i can make a deal. I can deal with them. No, you cant. You cant with the taliban. You cant with the iranians for the most part, especially after everything donald trump said, you cant with kim jongun, and the list goes on. Its that arrogance that is getting the United States in deeper and deeper every day. And remember, that was really the rationale for his campaign was that he was not a politician. He was the guy you watched on the apprentice every week. He was going to come in as president and not just shake up washington but change the way Foreign Policy was conducted. He was going to bang his fist on the desk and tell kim jongun whats what. He was going to tell the iranians whats what, and everything was going to change. Thats not how our system was set up. And mexico is going to pay for the wall. Believe me, mexicos going to pay for the wall. Why . Because i tell them. When he was frustrated, thats why you see executive action and the rest of it. House democrats are set to advance their impeachment investigation sfwoo President Trump starting with a vote in the House Judiciary Committee tomorrow that will set the rules for any impeachment hearings. Joining us now the chairman of that committee, democratic congressman jerry nadler of new york. Mr. Chairman, good morning, its good to see you. Good morning. I think a lot of americans perhaps took the month of august off from thinking about impeachment and basically whats going on in washington. They were with their kids, they were at the beach. So what is the status now as you all come back in session from your recess of impeachment in the house and before your committee . Well, status, first of all, is that thats not the only thing in front of our committee. We reported out the six bills yesterday, three bills dealing with reducing gun violence, one bill to stop forced arbitration so people have their rights to trial. And tomorrow we are going to vote on procedures. We have been involved for the last several months, the Judiciary Committee has been involved for the last several months in an investigation of the president s various misconducts to determine among other things whether to recommend impeachment articles to the house, and what were doing and weve been weve been doing that consistently. And what were doing tomorrow is adopting procedures enabling us to do it more effectively. We will be adopting a procedure to enable counsel to cross examine witnesses for half an hour after all the members have had their five minutes apiece. Another rule will be to allow the to allow us to handle Sensitive Information privately, and the third rule will be to afford the president s counsel the opportunity to submit questions or answers to various accusations before the committee. Chairman, two quick questions, just on a technical basis looking at the calendar, isnt it getting kind of late in terms of impeachment to be proceeding with this the way you are proceeding with it . And the second question is what do you think most americans would rather hear you focusing on, impeachment or background checks, strong, strong background checks and gun legislation. Well, we reported strong background checks to the house and the house voted, approved the bill for strong background checks way back in february. Those bills have been sitting in the Senate Waiting for the republican majority, for mcconnell to allow them to be voted on. We did that back in february. We added yesterday we recommended to the house and well probably vote on that next week i assume in the house, a ban on high capacity magazines, extreme Risk Protection orders on a federal and state level for people who are dangerous, and a couple of other bills to deal with the gun thing, so we also voted a bill to deal with forced arbitration and another one on establishing a Small Claims Court for intellectual property, so were doing all that work in addition to considering the president s misconduct and we will have to consider as part of that whether to recommend articles of impeachment, and well do that as rapidly as well. But of course the speed with which we can do that has been held up by the president s totally stonewalling and as he said, he would totally stone wall and deny all congressional subpoenas. They have done that. Weve gone to court to enforce those subpoenas, and i might add that stone walling congressional subpoenas is one of the articles which nixons impeachment was based. Mr. Chairman, Andrea Mitchell has a question for you. Andrea. Thanks so much, mr. Chairman, the question about guns and mandatory buybacks has come up on the debate stage and among the candidates. Do you think the Democratic Candidates are on the right path when they talk about mandatory buybacks and a ban on assault weapons, and if so, why isnt your committee passing that kind of legislation now . Well, were going to have a hearing on banning assault weapons in two weeks on september 25th, we may very well pass that again arent you running out of time, sir . No, i dont think were running out of time. There isnt that many days between now and we have time to do what we have to do. We voted and the house voted for the for the universal background checks legislation back in february, and thats been sitting in the do nothing Republican Senate since then. We reported three bills yesterday as i mentioned, and that will be voted by the house probably next weekend on september 25th in two weeks, we will have a hearing on the assault weapons ban. And one of the bills we reported yesterday was to ban the sale of high capacity magazines, which by all testimony is what makes these Mass Shootings much worse. Were doing that. Buybacks may go a little further than people are willing to go, mandatory buybacks, but certainly assault weapons ban, we will consider and i assume we will vote for it. All right, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, congressman jerry nadler, thank you very much, and thanks for being on this morning. Andrea mitchell, thank you as well. You bet. Still ahead on morning joe, well talk to former u. S. 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Is the National Security team a mess . Absolutely not. Thats the most ridiculous question ive ever heard of. Wow. That was secretary of state mike pompeo and treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin reacting to the ouster of john bolton. And by the way, this is the wall street journal lead editorial today on john bolton, and they say right in the lead, america a americas adversaries lost a rare internal constraint on President Trumps inconsistent and transactional security instincts. The world is now a more dangerous place. Joining us now former u. S. Ambassador to the United Nations under the Obama Administration, now a professor at the Harvard Kennedy school, samantha powers. Shes out with her new memoir entitled the education of an idealist. I love that. Well talk about that in just a moment. Do you agree with the wall street journal that we are less safe and more importantly, how would you characterize the state of the white house Foreign Policy team . Were on our fourth National Security adviser, and i dont know how many secretary of states. Never seen anything like this before. We havent, and its worth putting the National Security adviser job in context. Were also missing a director of national intelligence, a Deputy Director of national intelligence, a secretary of Homeland Security, a deputy secretary of Homeland Security, and more than 20 senior posts at the pent gone, foreign ambassadorships, the list goes on. John bolton didnt run the white house like a traditional National Security adviser, so the one thing i will say is its not the case that this finely tuned process where all views were heard has now been thwarted. There was no process. There was no paper. There was no sort of deliberation of the kind that weve seen over many generations at the white house, but he did have different instincts and so in that sense it was a oneman check and balance of some kind, but it was also a man who was more inclined to use force base. Basically if he had his way we would have staged a strike against iran not that long ago. The question of danger i think is a relative matter. Trump is a dangerous president. John bolton had very belligerent instincts as well. Exactly. I think there were a lot of people who didnt love john bolton being chosen as National Security adviser, but the thought of him leaving is even worse if that makes any sense. You mention all these positions that are unfilled or have acting representatives in them and all the changes that have happened. Doesnt this boil down to the fact that trump refers to himself as the first and last person to answer a question . Like, for example, people are talking about pompeo potentially taking over the role. Isnt it trump at this point, and isnt this what the president wants . Well, i think what trump sees in pompeo is a mirror image of himself, and thats his favorite thing to look at, so, you know, i think if he could have pompeo all around him telling him hes right, affirming his instincts, telling him mr. President that was just a brilliant execution of stage craft there when you met with kim jongun even though you achieved nothing for the American People, that seems to be what he wants around him, and john bolton what one can say about him is that he found it very problematic the way that the president was cozying up to dictators and the way that he was rushing to legitimize individuals who have done terrible things to americans. Ambassador the timing of you coming on the show with your book on the anniversary of 9 11, is serendipitous. The book title education of an idealist it just reminds me of the fact that over the past 18 years weve all received an education, and so many times we are certain about one direction or the other, and only to find out two or three years later the unintended consequences are disastrous. Its its like every season of homeland, you just one step forward, two steps back, except the consequences unfortunately are very real and very devastating. Talk about your education and talk about the education of america 18 years after september 11th. Well, today we have u. S. Forces act ive in some fashion in 40 of countries in the world. So part of my education but i think our education as a country is that the militarization of our Foreign Policy is unsustainable. Its one segment of our society that has been carrying the burden of protecting us, defending us, prosecuting our agenda internationally for too long, and it has been just a huge burden to bear, and thats why negotiation, diplomacy, the kinds of investment that barack obama made in, for example, pursuing a peaceful to Irans Nuclear program rather than being trigger happy and wanting to go quickly to military force, i think thats part of the education is that we have to invest in our diplomatic core, invest and have the patience for the pain staking negotiations that it takes to make deals instead of these Television Moments and these spectacles that the current president pursu pursues. What i try to do in the book is tell a very personal story also because it is easy from the outside to judge what comes out of any administration really, and i try to put you in the situation room and explain to you what its like, the limits of what you know, but also what happens when the u. S. Stands back from the world. So theres the invasion of iraq and the costs of making mistakes along the lines of what youre talking about, but then theres also what would have happened if the United States, if president obama hadnt stepped up and led a response to ebola in west africa, that was something that was spreading across the country, and inevitably we would have seen more cases here had he u. S. Leadership seen at the Security Council what it was like when all the countries in the world would go around and deliver their statements, people would be on their blackberries or on their phones, doing whatever they do, other work, shopping, and as soon as the United States representative opened their mouth, then suddenly everybody would snap to attention wanting to know what is the United States going to do about climate. What is the United States going to do about isis. I would caution against so much disillusionment with americas engagement in the world that we pull back because a World Without American Leadership is extreme extremely dangerous. And ambassador i think one of the most critical parts of your book and a part that will be read is a warning for future generation of leaders is actually what happened in syria. Barack obama rightly saw the mistakes of bush and cheney and decided to not rush into a war, a military intervention with syria, but we remember on this show reports of 10,000 dying, 20,000 dying, 40,000 dying, and it kept going towards half a million. You were arguing, and of course i think most of America First learned about you from your book a problem from hell that talked about our failures in the balkans, but you were urging the administration to act especially after the use of chemical weapons. They didnt do so, and while none of us can play out the consequences of what might have happened if the United States had intervened at that point, certainly our failure to intervene certainly can be seen as disastrous with half a million dead and a refugee crisis that spread across the middle east and europe. Well, whats certain is that the consequences of syria have been devastating. More than 500,000 killed. The refugee flow into neighboring countries and then kind of dam bursting and people flowing into europe, arguably playing a role in the brexit vote, i think, and maybe even playing a role in our own election as the immigration issue and the migration issue became much more salient. But as you know, its an incredibly complex part of the world, and president obama is looking at the history, the very recent history, and the kinds of measures that i and secretary kerry and others proposed were very limited measures, and i think president obama was skeptical that anything limited would do the job in the case of chemical weapons, i think when we look back, the issue was should we have come out publicly and said we were going to use force if we, in fact, intended to go to congress to seek congressional authorization. I should say about that chapter, you know, congress hasnt authorized virtually any of the uses of military force since 9 11 other than the response to 9 11 itself, and so it is also time for congress to meet its responsibilities. Part of what president obama was doing was taking it to congress and saying look, we need our democratic process to work again. We need checks and balances. We dont want a president to be able to willy nilly just invade or deploy our forces to yet another theater. We need to have a democratic and a domestic debate and congress was like, no, no, we want to criticize you for what youre doing or not doing. We want to keep our hands off of this. Ambassador you mentioned iran a up can of times, obviously you disagree completely with this administrations approach because you helped develop the iran deal the president unwound. Hes talked about about meeting without preconditions with president rouhani at the u. N. General assembly coming up in the next few weeks. What should be the american approach . Lets just put to the side theres no iran deal right now. What should be the approach of the United States toward iran right now . What should be the best path forward from where we are now . Its hard because the individuals involved, its so unthinkable that they would pursue the path that i would recommend, but its not too late to stop penalizing those, for example, our allies who are trying to maintain the terms of the deal, you know, as iran takes successive steps to renege on its side of the bargain because we pulled out of the deal. Europe and particularly the french are scrambling to try to put together a package to make it possible for iran to stay in the deal. It is in our interest for iran not to pursue a nuclear weapon. Its that simple. What the Current Administration has never done is articulated what it wants. It says we want them to stop doing everything theyve ever done. Theyre not going to do that, so to actually be able to articulate in tangible terms here are the thresholds, heres how were going to pull a Global Coalition to pursue that objective. Right now all weve done is unite iran and the rest of the world against us. Where the Obama Administration left it was the rest of the world was united against iran in its pursuit of a nuclear program. It would really require a rethinking and an assessment of leverage and what you can achieve with what you do. You can throw all the sanctions in the world on iran, but its not the case that its going to sort of upend the entire theocracy and the entire way they go about their business. What can you achieve . That kind of conversation has not had this administration for punishment for punishment sake. Its about the base, its about showing how tough we are, how strong we are. We just put another set of sanctions on iran. To what end . Sanctions are a tool in the toolbox on behalf of a particular strategic objective. There is no strategy coming from the white house. The new memoir is the education of an idealist, samantha power, thank you very hutch. Great to ha very much. Great to have you on the show. 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Order. I love that guy. Were on the air. That guy is the greatest guy. Im sorry to see him go, but if you want to know what im talking about, its about how the house of commons is the greatest show on earth right now. Take a look at their soon to be retired speaker. I keep order in the chamber really by saying order. Order. Order. Get a grip of yourself, man. Order, order. Come, take up yoga, youll fie find it beneficial, man. Order. Learn the art of patience. He was intellectually knee high to a grasshopper. Calm yourself. Order. Order order. Order, order. The best thing about switzerland is roger federer. Its quite difficult to vote for something if there isnt a vote. Drop it, it isnt worth it, and actually youre not good at it. Hes got quite a few steps on the ladder to climb, im afraid. Calm yourself, man. The lion must get back in his pen. Prime minister. Order, order, order. First of all, withe dont na call in this chamber. You may be a cheeky chap pi, but youre also an exceptionally noisy one. Clear the lobby order, order, order. Cant require any assistance from minister. Order, order, order. Spare us the theatrics, behave yourself. Be a good boy. Zen, restraint, patience. Order. That seems to me so blindingly obvious that no sensible person would disagree with the proposition. You can like it or lump it. Order order order. Im not interested in people chantering for a steady purpose, im ruling on the matter and i require no assistance. No, no, no. No no. You are an exceptionally boisterous fellow. So john heilemann, the recount put together. Thats good. This incredible mashup of john berkow who has of course announced his retirement as soon as he can place one more thorn in the side of the brexitiers. The guy is spectacular in so many ways. I tweeted this thing out last night because hes an obsession of mine, has been for a long time. And the response to its been incredible and the number of people who say now that hes no longer going to be the speaker of the house of commons, can we get him to the United States, can we get him into congress to impose some of his incredible pension for order and also his wit. I will say one last thing, when you listen to members of parliament who are women, nonwhite mps they all speak of him, even at the far left. Hes a conservative member, and the labor members all talk about him with the reverence and respect as having been someone who is a champion for some of the voices that did not get much air play in the commons before his arrival. So hes universally respected across parties in britain and will be certainly missed with he leaves the commons. And that gets to his background, which is perhaps the most appealing aspect of him, and the most understandable aspect of his behavior. I mean, hes a working class guy came up Public School guy, and there he is presiding over parliament where two out of three members are their own cousins. I mean, theyve been there i mean, theyve been there for hundreds of years. Theyre all aristocrats, and heres this guy from the streets of south london or wherever working class guy, sticking it to them, order, order, every single day. Its a wonderful show. We should have that on this show a little bit more, i think. There should be a little more order, order. Yes. Well, joe does that. Thats right. He does occasionally. Please dont ever do it again. In our politics in our congress we have this veneer of sort of protocol and etiquette. Strip it all away and do that in our congress, real conversations yelling at each other. Yes, yes. Would love it. We used to we used to say in america that we would love prime ministers hour once a week where the president would take questions from members of congress because it was just so entertaining, especially for us older members of the morning joe set when we would see Margaret Thatcher chew up and sp spit out one person after another. Now, i think, willie we would just settle for a president ial press conference once in a while or a White House Briefing. That doesnt even happen. Take a briefing. Our version of that is chopper talk with the marine one behind the president. Great. All right. New this morning, order, everyone. The Washington Post abc news has released more numbers from this latest poll, and democrats and the race for the presidency, joe biden leads the way nationally with 27 . Bernie sanders follows in second place at 19 , followed by Elizabeth Warren at 17. Notably, thats up six points since july. The poll also looks at head to head at headtohead matchups where President Trump trails the hypothetical democratic opponents by at least 4 points. Joe bind holds the largest margin leading by 15 points. Lets keep that up a second. John heilemann, you remember a couple month ace go, the white house, somebody released the white house numbers and everybody got fired and they said it was a ridiculous fall. Well, that was follow bid a fox news poll and a series of polls that look just like this one. Joe biden trouncing donald trump. Bernie sanders trouncing donald trump. Elizabeth warren, Kamela Harris and Pete Buttigieg beating donald trump and in a poll even an dru yang, a guy whos promised to give everybody thousands of dollars, a thanksgiving turkey and an isuzu for free this guy outpromised anything, i like him, that joe isuzu promised in the 1980s hes beating donald trump as well, so all those liberals and media types that says donald trump can never win, they can crawl out from under feat their bed and stop thinking that he has magical voodoo powers. It seems the democrats have to stop from shooting themselves in the foot. Its krieshl they stop do crucial they stop doing that, joe. If you put those numbers up again, there the a consistency here, right, what do you see, basically his Approval Rating, hes a if 44, 43 at the top approval president , sometimes lower than that. On the democratic side you essentially have an order rank by name identification. Joe bind is the best known of the democrats, Bernie Sanders second best, Elizabeth Warren on down the list. We will have a general election. The president will try to turn it into a choice, not a referendum. Democrats, any of those candidates could beat donald trump. Right now, the country doesnt know pete bowl gig in the way they know joe biden. Its not surprising biden is doing the best among democrats. That is a fundamental testament to the president s weakness and the status he brings to this race. He can win the gem election by string together just the right map on the Electoral College, but all ol of these democrats, as long as they do not allow themselves to be painted as unacceptable to the American People, all of them can beat donald trump. But thats going to be the game, is who do the democrats pick and by the end of the process, how much fodder have they given donald trump in his effort to try to paint them as outside the american main stream . That the what the democratic fight all about. For all his flaws on the company trail, joe bind has to love seeing that number up 15 points. But if the central question of the campaign we seen if polls and hear anecdotally can beat donald trump i can live with candidate x or y i just want to win. Ye Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders can make the case, i am electable, too, i will go out and beat this guy, its not just joe biden. There two things about the upcoming election when it gets going that are kind of interesting and you approach one of them with great trepidation that is that its almost guaranteed that john p donald j. Trump is going out in the field with a scorched earth policy, its going to be anything leak weve never seen if politics. The other element involved here is the democrats quest for a definition for what change means. If you go to these rally, some of these rally, i havent been to a lot of them. I have been to a few of them. You talk to people about the element of change, a couple of the candidates more than other candidates talk about. The ultimate definition of change among voters is we want to change the occupant of the oval office. All the other changes the candidates are talking about finish down the list. All right. Still to come, what the republican victories in North Carolina say about the president s chances heading into 2020. Plus, new reaction to the ousting of john bolton as National Security adviser and whether thats a good or a bad thing for the u. S. Ahead, congresswoman elissa slotkin, how the 9 11 shaped her path from cia to capitol hill. And a live look at one World Trade Center as we mark 18 years since 9 11. Tom brokaw joins us. Morning joe is coming right back. Hey. You must be stevens phone. Now you can know whos on your network and control who shouldnt be, only with xfinity xfi. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Jim mattis joked he was meeting the devil incarnate when john bolton joined the Administration Last year and now theyre both gone. Gone. No one knows what comes next. Morning, it is wednesday, september 11th, we have msnbc contributor mike barnical, journal allegist at George Town School elise lavitt. President on Foreign Relations and author of the book a world if disarray, Richard Haase and nbc news correspondent carol lee. A lot to get to on this 18th anniversary of the 9 11 attacks and President Trump finds himself searching for his fourth National Security adviser in three years. Were going to have 9 11 coverage throughout the morning leading up to the moment of silence at 8 46 a. M. The moment that the first plane hit the north tower and tom brokaw was reporting on the air that morning. Hell join us live at the end of the show. In a moment, we will get to questions surrounding boltons ouster. That was starting news, first, the two special elections decided last night in North Carolina and what they could mean for 2020. In North Carolinas Third District special election race, republican greg murphy is the projected winner over democrat allen thomas, in a closely watched republican dan bishop is the projected winner by about 2 Percentage Points over democrat dan mccready. President trump took credit for bishops win, tweeting dan bishop was down 17 minutes three weeks ago. He then asked me for help. We changed his strategy together and we ran a good race. Despite the apparent loss, the major gain in three suburban counties highlight the unpopularity of trumps party among that demographic heading into 2020. Political analyst larry sabato tweeted republicans should be happy a win is a win and they keep the seat theyve had since 1963. Democrats should be happy because they made a competitive district romney and trump won by 12 in their 2018 suburban gains continue. Here is nbc National Political correspondent Steve Kornacki last night at the big board. It is a fascinating story here what happened in this district today. You mention the bottom line dan bishop the republican wins this by 2 points. Now a representative in the house. This was in 2016 a trump district. The president won this by double digits if 2016, comes down to a twopoint republican victory. Why was it close . There are two story lines that converge and each is a microcosm of what we talk about nationally. One of the stories was right here in the suburbs, that circle might be too big, the densely populated suburbs of south charlotte about a third of this district is in mechlenburg county. We talk about higher income, educated suburbs, trump won that portion by 3 points in 2016, mccready tonight wins it by 13 points. Thats the kind of swing we have been seeing in metro areas in the trump era away from the republicans towards the democrats f. You said thats where mccready was going to end up, yount he