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spending unlimited amounts of money on attack ads. it could be the oil industry, it could be the insurance industry, could even be foreign-owned corporations. you don't know because they don't have to disclose. now, that's not just a threat to democrats, that's a threat to our democracy. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is 6:00 on the east coast, and with us on the set, we have msnbc chief washington correspondent norah o'donnell. >> top of the morning to you. >> oh, my gosh. we usually ease in. here is willie. he usually comes -- >> did she say top of the morning to you? irish? >> yeah. editor and chief of "u.s. news & world report" an chairman and co-publisher of the "new york daily news" mort zuckerman with us this morning. >> as we irish say, top of the morning to you. >> i guess we need to wake up. mark halperin had written about these attacks barack obama had been going -- talking about corporate money and foreign money, and he said -- he basically said the mainstream media woke up with a tough question on these accusations by "the new york times," on saturday, the "wall street journal's" ed toward, tough questioning of axelrod, leading up to a softened obama stance on the money charge which was a good thing because it was, as he called, an absurd evidence-free accusation. >> bob schieffer and david axelrod went toe to toe on that on "face the nation" yesterday. >> somebody is obviously saying this is the direction you want to go, start talking about money which is ironic considering barack obama got like $650 million, raised twice as much as anybody else in the history of politics. >> three weeks to election day. getting tough for the democrats. they're making arguments these shadow i figures are going to steal the election away from us. it's being driven by foreign contributions from china. and so "the new york times" to its credit disputed that, and then david axelrod faced tough questioning from bob schieffer on that subject. >> he fired back, too. >> i think there's a strain there. the democratic party has found outsourcing works, blame other candidates are trying to send jobs overseas. this message is working in this election. >> in what chapter of "baby love" do you hit that issue? >> right at top. >> between apple and banana purées. >> strained carrots. >> that's norah's book. you can pre order willie's tomorrow. >> out tomorrow. >> oh, god. mark your calendars right now. >> you can buy mort zuckerman's newspaper. >> i'm going to pre order one on amazon.com and i'm going to do it one by one. mad money's jim kraem her be on the show, hardball's chris matthews will be joining us as well. first, republicans and their allies are hitting back at suggestions by president obama, the white house and the democratic national committee they're using illegal foreign money to fund midterm election ads. democratic officials including white house senior adviser david axelrod have specifically targeted groups like the u.s. claim berp of commerce and one backed by political strategist karl rove calling on them to disclose the source of their political donations. some members of the so-called mainstream media are questioning the obama administration's allegations including "the new york times," the "wall street journal" and cbs's bob schieffer. >> this part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts, mr. axelrod. do you have any evidence that it's anything other than peanuts? >> well, do you have any evidence that it's not, bob? the fact is that the chamber has asserted that but they won't release any information about where their campaign is coming from. that's at the core of the problem here. >> if the only charge three weeks into the election that the democrats can make is that somehow this may or may not be foreign money coming into the campaign, is that the best you can do? >> no, i think we have a more fundamental concern, bob, which is that the republican party and these interest groups who are now their -- the major force in some of these campaigns want to turn the clock back to the very same policies that got us into this mess in the first place. >> bob schieffer, willie -- >> is that all you got? >> is that the best you can do? >> believe me, if you work for bob schieffer, you've heard that a lot. >> mort, here we have an attack by the white house that "the new york times" disputes, the "wall street journal" disputes, cbs news disputes. david axelrod is asked -- because it's their charge, can you prove it, and the only response that david has is, well, can you not prove it? i mean, come on. i'm just going to say it's the reality. if republicans had done this, they would have had the bark stripped from their trees and the trunks would be salted weeks ago. >> you remember the president attacked the supreme court in a state of the union message on this one issue. >> also, by the way. like it or not, it's what the supreme court stated was legal. >> the president was wrong -- legally wrong with that attack. >> the white house and democrats do feel they have a leg to stand on is special interest money going into this election. even though the democratic committees have raised more than the republican committees, when it comes to special interests, outside money, the republican interest backed groups are spending far more than the democrats. we're talking about $40 million, $50 million more. >> norah that's because nobody will give michael steele any money. the special interest groups are still going through barack obama and the white house. again, the absurdity of this is that barack obama is the biggest money machine in the history of politics. that is an objective reality. that's an objective truth. the other objective truth is there's not a close second. no one has ever raised more money from wall street than barack obama. no one has ever raised more money from big oil than barack obama. nobody has ever raised more money from big insurance companies than barack obama. nobody has ever raised more money in ef le category. go to ftc.com if you want to have a harsh ideological attack against me for telling the truth. the only reason i bring this up -- >> what? >> not talking about you. i can hear people getting you are a fascist, you are a fascist. you can go on the website. you go on these websites. ma, i need a computer. give me some cheeto's. this is like republicans in 2008 arguing about the debt. i would see republicans go send me to washington because we needless spending. i'm like, you bankrupted the country n. this case this charge is just as absurd. >> you don't understand. when it's raised for your opponents it's special interest money. when it's raised for me, that's a very different category. >> here is a question. you say obama raised all this money -- of course he has. >> i don't say it. >> of curse he has. are you hearing me? >> he's raised more money than anybody else on the face of the werth. >> we've heard that several times. >> mika, you heard it, but did you listen? >> i listened and you're brilliant. let me get a word out edgewise. >> can i say -- >> no, i i'm asking a question. i'm asking you a question. if it's so obvious where he got the money and out there for all to see, why doesn't their side reveal where their money came from as well? it shouldn't even be embarrassing or disgraceful if it's equal, if it's from wall street and the oil companies, great. just show us. why not show us. >> you can know where all of john mccain's money came in 2008. but when you have these third party groups raising on both sides, you don't note where all the money is coming from. >> you know what? they're giving us a question to ask. >> why don't they ask a question about themselves first? >> the question is being asked of them. where is it coming from? >> i'm completely flummoxed. are you suggesting that republicans play by rules that democrats don't play by? >> no. my question is, if it's so easy to just reveal where the money came from, it would just throw away the whole question. >> what i'm saying is, barack obama, why does he not go to unions, to moveon.org, to -- i don't know all the liberal organizations throwing money in this campaign. i'm saying there's blatant hypocrisy. here is genius of it, willie geist, we used to be great at wasting time before a test because we weren't ready for it. >> yeah. four corners. >> we've been talking about this nonissue for 10 minutes and 25 seconds. this is a made-up issue that is now going into 11 minutes. barack obama and david axelrod and the people who made up this phony issue have succeeded. i respect them for that. >> may i produce a measure to move on to carl paladino. >> yes. i second your motion. all in favor? >> aye. >> how is the republican party's finest in new york state spending his weekend? >> mika has the detailed. he made a little speech in brooklyn. i think we have videotape. >> this is our other option. kind of like the first issue. new york gubernatorial candidate carl paladino is coming under fire for saying he doesn't want children to be, quote, brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is acceptable. speaking to orthodox jewish leaders in brooklyn yesterday, paladino criticized democratic rival andrew cuomo for marching in a gay pride parade earlier this year. >> i didn't march in a gay parade this year, the gay pride parade this year. my opponent did. and that's not the example that we should be showing our children. don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. that would be a dastardly lie. my approach is live and let live. i just think my children and your children will be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family. and i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. it isn't. >> willie, war game this for us. candidate is talking about being brainwashed by homosexuals. >> reading from a prepared statement. >> when asked to clarify or if he wanted to retract any of it, here is the response. carl paladino is expressing the views he holds in his heart as a catholic. carl paladino is not hope phobic and neeth ser the catholic church t. majority of new yorkers agree with him, is the argument from the campaign. >> i was at p.j. clark's a couple nights ago, and i saw two home sexuals a couple tables over. i think they may have been trying to brainwash me, willie, just with like x-ray vision. >> were you upset when they sent a free drink to your table? >> no, not at all. that's gentle persuasion. seriously? this is the best that they've got? sglt cartoons. >> speaking of cartoons. >> can you believe that? hold up the front page of the "new york post" for a second. >> sexiest woman alive? >> jeter's girlfriend, mika kelly. >> sexiest woman alive? >> one of them. >> what are you doing? are you hoping for an opinion on this? >> sexiest woman alive? >> i'd say i'm not interested in that. >> there's a reason i went to willie for that question and not you. >> we're a table here. >> you need to learn to listen. >> i don't want to listen to that. >> i wish she would go new age like this. norah? >> i'm tea little lady. i'm just a little lady over here. >> you were called a little lady in this segment. >> but by another little lady. >> she's a purdy girl. >> say this about derek jeter, he participated in one of the great games of all times when they won just two nights ago in yankee stadium. >> i was there. >> me, too. it was a fabulous evening and fabulous game. makes you celebrate baseball. >> we'll get to that in sports. >> the mayor and i were watching. he's a big fan. >> was it a late night? >> yeah. >> willie is showing me pornography. >> i'm not. it's a followup. >> i don't think she's one of the sexiest women alive. we'll debate that next. what else do we have? >> coming up, an exclusive first look inside the politico playbook. >> chris, can you download shots? we're going show to have a debate. >> i really have a vote in this thing and a voice and serious professional knowledge. i'll just mention that. >> okay. the brett favre harassment scandal that just won't go away. it now has the attention of the nfl as favre prepares for tonight's showdown against his former team, the jets. >> can i say really quickly about this, the "new york post," when the jets beat the vikings, the "new york post" got the game ball. the post is dropping this every day. they've gotten into his head. >> they're enjoying it. >> they're loving it. the end of the tunnel. final preparations under way to rescue the trapped miners in chile. a deep fight underground over their fight for fame. first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning. what a fabulous weekend it was. sunshine up and down the eastern seaboard. many locations saw temperatures almost summer-like. everywhere in red was in the 80s, including chicago where they had the marathon. clear skies from boston to new york to d.c. clouds will move in later today. little be dry at least. temperatures very warm. d.c., 85 degrees. new york city, a nice 75. it will be clear in new england where the leaves are at their peak still. the rain will move in later tonight. right now some of those thunderstorms were located north of dallas. if you're traveling from sherman to interstate 35, that's where you could see problems this morning. that's literally the only trouble spot on the map, just north of the dallas area. everywhere else, the airports will be good. this columbus day should be just fine. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. >> so, ah, your seat good? 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"the washington times," russ feingold seemed as well positioned to fend off a republican challenge this year. he's pro gun and has a history of voting against his party. yet, the three-term senator trails political newcomer ron johnson by a significant margin weeks ag head of the election. in the "indianapolis star," the government is expected to announce this week that more than 58 million social security recipients will go through another year without an increase in their monthly benefits. it's only the second year without an increase since 1975. "the new york times." much of the focus has been on republican efforts to win control of congress. but a wave of republican victories in the governor's races should have just as significant and potentially longer lasting implications. the "st. pete times," as rescue nears for those 33 trapped miners in chile, the men are squabbling about who will be the last man out. rescuers are expected to begin pulling them out wednesday. they want to be the last out because -- >> guinness book of world records, longest trapped in a mine. that's the truth. >> wow. >> they all want to be the last guy out. "wall street journal" finally, a strange salute to the -- >> why would you do this? >> i love the mcrib. >> they're offered in random cities usually for just a few weeks at a time because too much of a great thing can even be too much. >> okay. can i know -- i need to express myself. >> love the mcrib. >> the illusiveness of the mcrib has created a fan base which i'm at the center of that goes to considerable lengths to find one, including the website mcriblocater, and nearly 300 facebook groups that are devoted to the sandwich. i must say -- can i finish. we actually have an altar in our home that has a mcrib. >> some would say that mcdonald's was toying with the idea of not providing health care for their employees, and then the white house got involved and they got a bye on it just like the teachers federation i don't know if that's true. i'm think fg you would be a company that contributed to the nation's obesity crisis for decades, that you might want to give health care to their employees. i'm glad they're doing it. >> they made so many people happy. >> just saying. have a good mcrib then go straight to the doctor. >> what about the ronald mcdonald house? he's put so many smiles on so many faces. >> do you know what the health care program consists of, by the way? >> what's that? >> they serve hamburgers for breakfast. thought i'd mention that. >> it's worked for me. >> 30,000 employees and america is all the stronger, too. thank you. >> mika, the mcrib is good for you because they take the bones out. that's the unhealthy part. with us, politico's patrick gavin is here with the morning playbook. do you like the mcrib? >> long time fan since 1995, yeah. >> he goes back to '95. amazing. >> i used to wait in line when they debuted it. i still have my receipt, camp out overnight. >> let's talk a little business here, patrick. everybody pull it together. newt gingrich still throwing out those political grenades wherever he goes, last week urging republicans to cast democrats as, quote, the party of food stamps. it sounds to me, patrick, from your reporting there that some republicans are getting sick of his act. >> his comments aren't new. what is new that probably for the first time, especially when you consider his potential 2012 ambitions, some republicans are saying they're not totally confident he'll walk the fine line between the cerebral side and the side to lob these grenades and hope they don't get him in trouble. lindsey graham saying, look, a friend of newt's was saying this gets you a lot of attention but makes your negatives go up. if you look into 2012, these comments will come under higher scrutiny. an unnamed romney aide said that, look, this just shows that newt lax focus and also lacks the ability to sort of control his own words. romney may be another 2012 candidate as well. so more and more, it will be interesting to see whether or not newt uses these to get attention in a good way or a bad way or really if it's a way to sell more books. >> how seriously is he being taken as a candidate in 2012? or is he just selling books at this point? >> his longtime friend weber said he thinks there's no doubt that newt very much would like to run in 2012. he's got to figure out the polls and is there going to be the support and will his comments come and bite him in the butt. if all those boxes are checked and newt has the support, i think most people think he's going to want to get in. >> i just don't understand, like mort, how does a guy who has compared kathleen seib beal yse to joseph stalin, how do you get past? >> without producing any evidence that joseph stalin was gay, by the way. >> paladino? >> the whole thing is silly. i understand he was such an important player for such a long time and wants to get back at that level, but i just don't see it. i think he's diminishing himself. >> he is. willie, how do you do that? >> joe, what's interesting is the piece we have up takes a look back at some of the things he's said in the past. i think history shows that at least so far newt has been able to survive these various comments. >> of course, i think the most hep henceable is comparing an entire religion to naziism. >> that's ridiculous. >> patrick gavin, thanks. >> i don't think he really survived. he's a name, he gets attention. but he hasn't survived politically. >> running for president is quite another thing, no doubt. one thing he does have going for him, no cats. he does not have cats at home. >> poor patrick. >> that we know of. >> exactly. >> patrick, we love you. >> the secrets of cat hoarding as no one knows. >> patrick, i apologize on behalf of the entire "morning joe" family. the new plan to fight distracted driving. will the department of transportation ban hands-free cell phone use. 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>> tommy boy. that's chris farley in tommy boy. brian dennehy is the father. >> actually just yesterday tens of thousands of north koreans got their first look at their leader-in-waiting as kim jong-un made his first national appearance marking the 65th anniversary of the country's ruling workers party. now to mexico. authorities are searching for a pair of mexican brothers in the alleged shooting death of an american on the lake along the u.s.-mexico border last month. david hartley has not been seen his his wife reported the attack on falcon lake on the rio grande. investigators believe the brothers who they say have ties to a gang of so-called pirates that operates on the lake may have killed hartley. the white house is signaling that the obama administration is opposed to a national moratorium on foreclosures. this is a big story in the housing market. pressure is growing on the federal government to take action in the face of mounting evidence that banks have at times used inaccurate documents to evict homeowners. the white house said that while flawed paperwork poses a serious problem, there are valid foreclosures that ought to be allowed to go forward. transportation secretary ray lahood is considering a complete ban of cell phone use in cars including hands-free calls. >> i think this is a good call. >> i love it. >> in an interview he said drivers are too distracted by their phones. he doesn't believe current restrictions on texting go far enough. he says he plans to meet with automakers to try to gain support for his campaign to eliminate distracted driving. >> driving out of the city on friday, a bunch of accidents because there was volume and they would text and hit the car in front of them. you know that was happening. >> cell phone makers have a way to make these things not work while it's moving. >> i think there should be slammers in cars. >> what are slammers? >> is that the right word? >> is that like a slider? i'm hungry. >> there is a device that can within a certain par ram ter not allow cell phone use. >> jammer. >> jammer, slammer, yellow hammer. now to sports. >> a tough night. >> they're still alive. but they've had a heck of a run. sometimes they're let down after a big game. >> this is the case for the s.e.c., for the big conference. boise state in its wildest dreams will never play a team like south carolina. >> we beat penn state, arkansas, florida. and then we go to south carolina, steve spurrier on the road. >> week in, week out. >> boise state, s.e.c., how any of those teams could be ranked above alabama is a joke. >> they would be third in their division. let's do the nfl. last night the late night sunday night nfl game eagles taking on the 49ers on nbc. eagles quarterback kevin cobb starting, michael vick still hurt with the chest injury from last week. caught looking like vick here, illusive, throwing a touchdown to brent celek in the end zone. they beat the winless 49ers. bleak in san francisco. 27-24. redskins, a comeback yesterday, looking to stay on top. taking on the packers. green bay jumped out to an early 13-3 lead n. the fourth, donovan mcnabb leads them back. just a bullet into the end zone to anthony armstrong. washington comes back from a ten-point deficit in the fourth quarter. one second left in the game. packers with a chance to win this. mason crosby, no, sir, 53-yard field goal attempt bounces off the up right. the redskins drive down the field after a big interception. they boot a 33-yard field goal. redskins with a big comeback win, 16-13. >> in houston, president george h.w. bush. eli manning putting on a show. giants blow out the texans in houston 34-10. giants are 3-2. >> they're in the hunt. >> they're okay. the cowboys are not okay. hosting tennessee, tony romo struggled through for a ton of yardage, had key interceptions including this one. desperation time. not much of a shot. down seven. threw an interception that sealed the game. titans beat the cowboys 34-27. dallas 1-3, last in the nfc east. >> what's wrong with dallas? >> they stink. is that a good analysis? they can't stop anybody for one thing. romo is putting up big numbers but throwing interceptions, too. this is a big story all over the web. tonight big monday night game, the minnesota vikings visiting the jets. brett favre, the vikings quarterback used to play for the jets. according to reports the nfl is aggressive live reviewing allegation that is favre sent inappropriate text messages and photos to a former jets employee a couple years ago. according to deadspin.com, former sideline reporter general stur jer received text messages from favre showing naked pictures. dead spin also posted voice mails allegedly from favre to sturger. >> you're a public relations guy. if an nfl superstar called you up and said, hey, listen, there's a woman i don't really know but i'd like to date her and i'd like to send text messages of my genitals, i'm curious, what's your advice. >> too early for that word. >> it's sort of on the line, right, which way do you go? >> i take those on a case by case. sometimes that is the right move. but not in this case. >> but with somebody that you do not know. >> a little too forward? >> it's a little forward as mika said. >> we wonder why our kids don't understand boundaries and get in trouble online when you have people, these idiots living lives like this, reality shows where it's sber tanment to see someone, i don't know --. it's ridiculous. >> i do think in this case the word applies to brett favre. >> i think the lesson tiger woods taught us is don't leave a message. just hang up if you don't get through. >> even if tiger's name is jim or bob, but when your name is tiger. >> it's a scary world. i'm worried about what -- let's go to baseball. let's get off this. >> pretty scary. two games after roy halladay threw the no-hitter, the series is over, more stellar pitching against the reds in game three. cole hamels, a complete game shutout, struck out nine hitters. phillies wipe out the reds. they sweep them. final is 2-0 last night. phillies look to become the first national league team in 66 years to win three consecutive pennants. their pitching is better than yankees. >> the giants and braves are not in there -- >> no. the other series, atlanta and san francisco, tough game for the braves second baseman brooks conrad. let's take you through this. first inning bobs an easy ground. no harm, no foul. next inning, pop fly to shallow right. you to come down with this one. >> you're going to want to catch this ball. >> the braefgs had the lead. the ninth inning, the game is tight at two with two outs. same guy. >> dude, stop the ball. >> right through the wikts. that scored the winning run. turned the series for the giants. the giants are up two games to won. >> they're one game away from elimination. >> it's killing me. the rays evened up their series against the rangers. they lost the first two at home, won the next two in texas. they play game five on friday. ray also win game five, rays and yankees. linda mcmahon and richard blumenthal spend their sundays defending their records. mika's must-read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. 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[ female announcer ] new aveeno nourish plus shine. stay twice... earn a free night! two separate stays at comfort inn or any of these choice hotels can earn you a free night -- only when you book at choicehotels.com. on in the ring, the girl who is told to get on all fours, i think by your own husband, and bark like a dog. are you comfortable with this. >> well, ww program has changed from being tv-14 over the years, which that's the time you were talking about, into now being pg. content providers are clearly creating scenarios from an entertainment point of view, i think you either elect to go to a movie or elect to watch a program. i'm a strong proponent of first amendment rights. >> we said from the beginning this would be a tight, tough, competitive race. and a $50 million negative attack machine is bound to narrow the polls. we expect it is happening. >> she's a business woman. >> she is. willie, what was that? in this wrestling thing, as christian amanpour said. >> you're dwelling on the attitude era. we're in the pg era now. it's clean and it's great. >> they sing. what's going to work? teamwork. >> we do that, too. >> we've got to stop this. >> i love the wonder pets. i'm not anymore ashamed of loving that than barry manilow and the carpeters. >> if the business puts smut or violence into the kauais of others, especially children, they have to take responsibility for that. that was not taking responsibility. >> step up. also on "60 minutes," eminem talking about cursing and spewing violence and cursing in his songs, but he doesn't have it in his home. so thank you putting in all of our homes and our cars, but don't have it in his. it's the same thing. >> should we move on? >> let's move on, please. >> since you like talking about the attitude programs and describing it with great glee, i thought i would give the other point of view. cable chatter narrows electoral landscape. this is really interesting article on the front page of "the washington post" by howard kurtz. >> wasn't howard -- >> he's leaving. >> i thought he was gone. >> not yet. >> he's going to be there a while. >> joining "the daily beast." outlets increasingly provide partisan platform for candidates on the left and right. listen to this. the article says this, among other things, the increasing polarization of cable news is transforming and in some ways shrinking the electoral landscape. what has emerged as a form of narrow casting allowing candidates a welcoming platform that helps them avoid hostile press questioning, and in some cases minimized the slog and slipups of retail campaigning. it goes on to say this, there's no question it's contributing to the splintering of the political system and the means by which people get information about that system says robert thompson who runs the bleier center for television and pop culture at syracu syracuse. if there's no standard baseline of fact and reporting, where can if conversation go. >> tim russert would say if you can't face tough questions, you can't make tough decisions. this is a problem. i also think sort of the increase of a lot of these candidates who have very troublesome records is because we've lost so many local reporters who would normally have done a lot of vetting at the local level for these candidates. so since there wasn't this press skut any normally of these candidates, all of the sudden they're nominees for their parties out of nowhere. national reporters start examining what they said and their backgrounds, it's embarrassing. >> the woman in "the new york times" yesterday pam gel lar, a fascinating story. look that up. i think it's scary. >> it's a fact of life. >> the cable channels are drawing huge audiences and basically are representing political factions. that's been the case. >> is it helpful in the national conversation? >> no. i don't think it is helpful. it is a fact of life and everybody knows it. you look at fox. nobody has any ambivalence about the fox's political viewpoints. you're going to have to deal with that. you have msnbc seen in a very different light. that's what we're looking at. it's going to get even more so in my judgment in terms of politics because the main channels are not going to be doing that anywhere near. look at cnn, cnn is falling apart. >> you know what though? cnn, i don't want to get into another competitor, i just don't. but if they did hard news down the middle, if that's what they did, if they stayed true to their brand, they wouldn't be having the problems they're having right now. if cnn had stayed hard news, i would have saluted them and said good, there's a place you can go at night to get both sides of the story. but they chose -- they've had everything on prime time over the past three or four years but bowling for dollars. lou dobbs and they've got -- they upset a lot of people by going after eliot spitzer. it ain't aaron brown over at cnn anymore. >> that was a good news show. fox set up the business model. it works. businesswise -- >> the question is, and this is what "the washington post" asks, is it good for politics? 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>> no. i think we have a more fundamental concern, bob, which is that the republican party and these interest groups who are now their -- the major force in some of these campaigns, want to turn the clock back to the very same policies that got us into this mess in the first place. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> good morning. bob schieffer -- >> that was a great line of questioning. >> i didn't think david axelrod did too bad himself. what's he supposed to do? >> just say you are right, i'm busted. this is a sham issue. >> actually, he has -- >> david axelrod is better than "do you have evidence that it's not?" >> give me evidence you're a communist. give me evidence you're not a communist. it is the same logic. can you prove you're not a communist? >> it maybe was not phrased well. but citizens unit nighted allow nontransparent donations to be made. we don't know who is giving. it's not disclosed. you talk about how much in wall street was donated to president obama. we know about it. these are not disclosed. >> look at democratic interest groups, you could say the same things about what's happening on the left as on the right. >> that's true. however, somewhere a disparate where the republican-leaning groups are spending $40 million to $50 million far outpacing the democrats. >> those are independent groups. the reason why is no one will give to the republican party because michael steele owns it. they've created outside groups. the democratic groups are getting the same money, but it's nor internalized. by the way, willie, i thought that ad was a "saturday night live" ad. what is that lady running at the end for. >> >>? >> is she in a parking garage. >> if they'd just answer the question, we wouldn't have an issue. >> is it that easy to steal democracy? can you run up and grab the briefcase out of america's hands and steal democracy? it's a silly ad. this is a nonissue. this is so much, given the money that drown barack obama's campaign -- >> that we know about. >> that the mainstream media never talked about because it was a democrat getting twice as much money as a republican -- what is she doing by the way. >> where is she going? i don't get it. the thing is, this really is just as hypocritical as republicans in 2008 saying, elect us, or else you'll have democrats spending too much money. seriously, bob schieffer asked the best question of the weekend "is that the best you got?" >> i don't disagree with that in terms of everything at stake. i don't disagree that that was a good question. but i also don't understand why they can't answer the question and put the story away. why can't we find out where the money is coming from? answer it. what would be wrong with answering it? >> the question i'm asking is why are you just asking this question right now at this point -- let me finish what i'm saying. again, mika, willie and i understood that, you know, you need to forget the hearing and try to listen. >> you like that. i'm sorry. i apologize. >> this argument is so -- this is the lamest argument because this has been going on for years. the fact that barack obama is trying to make it an issue three weeks before a campaign and it's being digested -- >> sounds like a very liberal elite response, the solve fess tri of this argument oovps, i shouldn't have to answer it. >> it's stupid and hypocritical. does barack obama really want to go there? if barack obama really wants to go there, watch the ard kls that come out now talking about the money that funded his campaign in 2008 and 2010. does he have clean hands? do you really think he has clean hands on this? do you think the democratic party has clean hands? >> do we know where the money came from in barack obama's campaign? >> no, we don't. no, we don't. no, we don't. >> are you sure? >> i'm absolutely positive. third party groups are able to move money. >> i'll ask the question to both sides. i don't understand. now stick to your side for one second. why not just answer the question? would thant be the right thing to do to be a good example and be transparent? >> i don't make the laws for the federal elections commission or the supreme court. but i do know the democrats play by the same rules as the republicans play by. and barack obama is the big money making machine in the history of american politics. for him, jim cramer, to bring this up at the end of a campaign when the democratic party has clearly said in "the new york times" we don't want to run on the economy, we don't want to run on barack obama's record. that's their quote in "the new york times," now they're making up fake issues. >> there's no jobs createed. we had a terrible number on friday, the employed number. everyone has given up. it used to be, i think it could be this high. no one thinks it could be anything. so that really is the issue. the fact is both left and right recognize that no jobs have been created and people have given up. the american people have given up on the notion of job creation. >> republicans want to talk about jobs despite the fact that they set up a horrific economic climate for barack obama and democrats. now they want to talk about jobs. and barack obama, the democratic party want to make up the issues. >> you can't talk about jobs. what are you going to say? bloomberg is the only job creator in the country, the only place that jobs are being built on are manhattan, maybe queens. >> we have just gotten to a point where you really are third world in job creation. everybody knows it. >> let's talk, mika, also about how the white house is succeeding in their strategy. remember we talked about it two weeks ago. sunday "new york times," they said we've got to distract people because we don't want to talk about jobs or the real issues of barack obama. an issue that bob schieffer calls peanuts on his program we talked about for the first 11 minutes of our show with all the other news. we didn't get to paladino until 12 after. those are some great comments. >> that's like troubling within itself. >> keeping the talk off of jobs. >> who is they? >> the white house. it's their strategy. >> i think we disagree on who succeeded on that. i honestly think answer the question and then it's gone. we just disagree. that's okay. >> okay. so let's not talk about jobs anymore. you've been saying for two years let's talk about jobs. now the white house is trying to distract, according to "the new york times," and you don't want to talk about jobs anymore? and that hurts willie and me. we know real america and they're hurting right now. >> i leave the upper west side at least once a month. >> look at these numbers. >> ever go to jersey where there's no jobs being created? >> no, no, no. willie, in fact, doesn't go to the east side of the park. he stays on the upper west side. there's like a box. i could color it in. i'm sorry. can we talk about carl paladino? >> sure. >> he said some really goofy things, really goofy. >> what did he say, mika? >> new york republican gubernatorial candidate carl paladino is coming under fire for saying he doesn't want children to be, quote, brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is acceptable. speaking to orthodox jewish leaders in brooklyn yesterday, paladino also criticized democratic rival andrew cuomo for marching in a gay pride parade earlier this year. >> i didn't march in a gay parade this year, gay parade this year, the gay pride parade this year. my opponent did. and that's not the example that we should be showing our children. >> don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. that would be a it is tarredly lie. my approach is live and let live. i just think my children and your children will be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family. and i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. it isn't. >> okay. at least you can say he just spoke off the top of his head. >> no, no. can you show the picture again? he's actually reading. he's reading prepared text. >> i don't want to bring this up, but if you wrote this or an aide wrote this, why would he say i think people should get married and raise a family with his own background as well? does anybody see the irony of this? >> yeah. >> he didn't get married and raise a family for one of his kids. that's, again -- i don't consider that to be my business or anybody's business. but if he's going out making a statement judging how other people live -- >> his remarks also included a sentence that said, quote, there is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual. >> oh, come on. he did not say that. >> he didn't say it. keep reading. >> however, paladino omitted those words in his actual speech and later released this statement. i did not say this phrase as was inaccurately attributed to me by some media outlets. there is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual. that's not how god created us. apparently reporters relied on suggested reports, they were distributed by my host of the synagogue, not my actual statement. the point is they handed out his remarks and he read them. he skipped the part there. but reporters had the handed-out remarks. >> that could have affected exactly -- >> would have cleaned it up. >> it's over. now that the new york gubernatorial race is over and the white house has distracted from jobs for a couple of days, let's talk ability something, jim, that really does impact millions and millions of americans. this foreclosure battle that's going on, what's the latest? >> this is one of the situations where the banks are going to take another hit. look, i have no sympathy whatsoever for these banks. they did a lot of stuff wrong. this is a transference to people who may or may not have made a mistake or may or may not have been bamboozled in the process of buying a house. it's actually not a bad thing we sort this out because the banks really did stampede the process. somebody has to pay for it. i don't think it should be most of these homeowners who are left. the guys who are left have been digging in their heels. the guys who were flipping got blown out a long time ago. the banks have to pay. i do not care my friend anthony was talking about the piñata, wall street. you know what? the rich are unhappy. my friend said it's their own fault. i think it's time. >> are there any homeowners who perhaps have been unfairly treated because of this, and how do you rectify that there's so many? >> i think there's a lot of people in this process a political process to some degree and it's so difficult that every single politician has really kicked it to someone else, state, local, federal. you know what? if there really was mortgage fraud, why not take a moratorium to foreclosures, figure this out and then start the process again if you want to. it will be starting again. >> there's some people who clearly haven't paid on their mortgage for months. >> absolutely true. >> some, years. >> i think we have detected that there is fraud and we have to take at least a month out, which is probably as much as it will take -- >> for every bank? >> yeah, every bank admits it. >> every bank? >> every bank admits it. they were all using one central clearinghouse in washington. "the washington post" broke a great story about it on friday. they're all involved in it. believe me, i'm not saying something like, i wish these guys would own up to it. they're all owning up to it. who am i to say you didn't do it when the ceos of the banks are saying they did it. we'll be talking to congressman elijah cummings coming up. savannah guthrie has the latest from the white house, how president obama's latest appearances and comments are being received. first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning. the beautiful weather continues for today. tomorrow it changes a little bit. forecast has no problems whatsoever. pretty much clear skies, showers around buffalo. that's about it. forecast has the showers, a little cooler at 63. i-95 from new england to the mid atlantic, look at that, 87 in d.c. that's air conditioner weather. 80 in philly and 75 in new york city. columbus day parade looks great in new york city. as far as the worst weather in the nation, strong thunderstorms um interstate 30. thunderstorms in dallas, showers around kansas city. the west coast, no problems at all. temperatures look really nice in l.a. and san francisco. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] throughout our lives, we encounter new opportunities. at the hartford we can help you pursue them with confidence. ♪ by helping you prepare for your financial future... and protecting your home and family. so go forward, with confidence. and with the hartford behind you... achieve what's ahead of you. ♪ they may have thought that playing political games would help them win an election, but i knew it wouldn't get america through the crisis. so i made some different decisions. i took whatever steps were necessary to stop the economic free fall, to stop a second depression, even if those decisions were not popular, even if they were not easy because you didn't elect me to do what was easy, you elected me to do what was right. that's why you sent me to washington. >> welcome back to "morning joe." let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent and host of "daily run down" savannah guthrie. i kind of like that message politically that barack obama gave yesterday in philadelphia, being a fighter saying hey, you didn't elect me to do what was easy. you elected me to make some really tough choices and i did. if some people don't like it, sorry, i had to stop the second great recession. that seems like a pretty good message. >> reporter: yeah, that's the pitch. we're seeing the president so much in campaign mode you can hear his throat crack. he's out there hoarse on the campaign trail. today he's heading to your neck of the woods, to florida for a dccc event in miami tonight. this is the pitch they're making. also the story we hear over and over again that republicans, when they had control of the government, ran the car into the ditch. we all remember that familiar refrain. we're hearing that. the issue you've been talking a lot about this morning, the money argument. i can tell you this is a story that white house officials have been wanting the rest of us to do, wanting us to be talking about, going way back to last january when the citizens united ruling came out. they have been pushing this story line very hard. and now, as you can see, they've really ratcheted up on the campaign trail the president has been saying this a while. it seeps to be going to the next level. an interesting issue because you wonder who it resonates with. it's one of these issues that feels like something washington can love and chew on. you wonder if regular voters, if this resonates with him, the issue of the pernicious influence of money in campaigns. >> i have people always asking whether i believe that republicans are going to take over or not. we've had predictions, 80, 70, 60, 50-seat pickups. i said, i've had real concerns for making early predictions for two reasons, savannah. one is the republican party's numbers are in the tank, in the 20s. i want you to look at today's gallup poll on barack obama. this is a guy with 50% unemployment. the right track/wrong track is almost historically low. americans think this country is weaker than it's been. look at this man's approval rating, 48%. republicans, conservatives may not like it. but the fact is that shows remarkable political resilience. >> reporter: absolutely. i think we've seen this certainly in our poll over the months. it's not his personal approval rating hasn't taken a hit. it has. let's remember where he started in the 70s, but as you say, resilience is the word. even when you ask the questions about proof of his economic policies, he's not doing well there. foreign policy he tends to do a little better. when you asked a basic, do you like president obama or people personally relating to him, he tends to do well. that's the reason why we're seeing him out there campaigning hard and trying to recapture some of that magic from 2008. if the democrats are going to hold on, they've got to get those 2008, what they call obama surge voters out to the polls. the dnc spending $50 million on that effort. that's the whole ball game for democrats. >> savannah, jim cramer. why is the president not identify being this issue of china and the flooding of imports? if you talk to any of the big industrial companies in this country, what they will tell you is, listen, we love to create jobs, but the chinese are taking the jobs. people don't like the chinese in this country. i never hear the president talk about it. >> reporter: he talks about it somewhat. certainly we heard about the issues of currency. we hear that more out of the treasury secretary timothy geithner. you hear the president talking about china and having a competitive edge on us when he talks about education. you hear that a lot. to the extent this is a message that's getting through above the din of everything else, no, i don't think they're hitting it very, very hard, the way they're hitting the money message right now or the choice between republicans and democrats. he talks about it, but it's not something making a lot of headlines. >> why doesn't he go to a steel factory? our capacity is huge. the amount of steel being made in this country is frighteningly small. it's easy to do a one-on-one of chinese steel, the ratchetsing up of scrap steel because of the chinese. there are so many jobs being lost because of this. go to new corp, largest steel company in the country, you realize it isn't being used because of the chinese. >> norah, do you have a question? >> did you get your copy of "american freak show." >> i didn't even ask for that. she does have a copy. >> i thought you were going to ask me did i get my copy of "baby love." i do have my copy of "american freak show" signed. i put it on ebay. >> how is that going? >> i want mine signed. >> i'm thinking about what to say. >> what an interesting question. you can come wednesday night to the barnes & noble at 82nd and broadway where joe has been gracious enough to join any. >> one in ridgewood coming up, too. mochl many likes that one. just a followup for education nation week, today the president of the united states is going to have special guests at that time white house. >> that's right. a lot of people have seen this movie, "waiting for superman," the documentary that talks about public education, the crisis in public education. it follows five public schoolchildren from around the country. those five schoolchildren have been invited to the white house. they will meet the president today. they're going to see marine one as it takes off from the south lawn which is quite a sight to see. they'll see the president as he heads off to florida. this is something organized with the white house. the kids wanted to meet the president. the white house official here made it happen. >> i love it. that's nice. we look forward to seeing you on "the daily rundown" starting sometime around 9:00 a.m. >> ninish, yeah. >> that's a snazzy shot by the way, sort of a prom picture. >> chuck is leaning forward a little too much. >> sorry about that savannah. >> we'll work on that. still ahead, hardball's chris matthews will join us. first a wild weekend the nfl include ag tllg sunday night finish. how the philadelphia eagles fared without michael vick. we'll bring in nfl network's michael lombardi next on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ [ engine revs, tires screeching ] we give to you the all-new volkswagen jetta. we have one more surprise for you. fifteen-thousand nine-hundred neunzig dollar? 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[ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. here with us now, the nfl network's michael lombardi who also contributes to "inside the nfl" on show time. glad to have you here. >> glad to be here. i watch you every morning. >> we appreciate you coming in. let's dig in a little bit to this brett favre story. we've been reporting he's alleged to have sent inappropriate texts to a woman who was a sideline reporter for the jets a few years ago. >> i think the commissioner is taking it very seriously. he's promised an expedited hearing. he protects the brand of the nfl. obviously no legal charges filed and the woman is not going to file sexual harassment if this is, in fact, true. the commissioner will look into it and protect the brand of the nfl and make sure it's still within its integrity. >> this falls under the code of conduct. >> yes. >> they could suspend him theoretically for a game or two. >> the commissioner has unilateral power when it comes to these situations. with ben roethlisberger he did six games, went down to four. he could do anything he wanted to in this case. >> nfc east is fascinating. let's talk about the worst team, the cowboys, 1-3. what's going only? >> dallas has struggled all year. they came out of training camp hoping to be healthy. the offensive line, most guys over 30 years old. when tony romo gets hit and has to jump around the poblth, things go wrong. they turn the ball over too much. defensively they haven't been able to slow anybody down. they did against houston, thought they could come back off the buy week. the titans are a good football team. jeff fisher is an outstanding coach. >> the redskins got a little lucky but came back to beat the packers. >> i was at that game. green bay come nated the game. michael finley gets hurt. they lost a lot of players. clay matthews junior went out in the game. that shifted the power. donovan mcnabb does what he does best. he makes two or three plays that won the game for them. a missed field goal at the end. >> it seems the injuries, they're the worst they've ever been, maybe because of the concussion factor. can the commissioner do anything? it's a car wreck game, a collision game. it's no longer just hitting these guys. >> the guys are so big and so fast that the violence is so amazing, when you watch the game on the sidelines, it's even more than you can see in the television. i don't think the commissioner can do anything. he'll do everything in his power to help. yesterday aaron rogers suffered a concussion on the last play of the game. would have not been able to go in had the redskins not driven down the ball. >> why isn't it more uniform? when kevin cobb gets hit he's out for a couple games. i'm hearing that they'll put -- right now rogers will play next weekend. who determines? >> what determines is you take a physical called a baseline physical where your brain waves are measured. when you get a concussion you have to match that baseline physical. if aaron rogers can do that, he can play. it's predicated on what your physical was going through. the interesting thing is when you get a concussion coming off the feel, they ask you what's the date, who is the president? those are generic questions. now they've found out they can find more ways to see if a guy is really having them. a lot of players will fake it. they want to go back in the game and keep playing. >> so the saints lost yesterday to arizona. what do we make of them at 3-2 at this point? >> i think a little bit like alabama losing to south carolina. the top dog. everybody wants a piece of them. mafrks hall, rookie quarterback from byu, arizona turns the ball over way too much. you give a team a chance to win like they did, it affects it. >> do the saints look weaker? >> they can't score like they did last year. drew brees -- they haven't been able to score more than 20 points all season. when their offense isn't clicking, it exposings their defense. >> it's so early in the season, we don't have undefeated teams left. >> first time since 1970s. >> we've got a pack, a bunch of teams. who do you see in the next couple weeks emerge sng. >> i think pittsburgh is the best team, 3-1 without ben roethlisberger. they'll get a two-time super bowl mvp back to start the second half of their season since coming off the buy. i think with their defense and the way he's coming back, baltimore looks tough. >> we're not going to talk about alabama losing? >> he's an nfl expert. >> i know. i know. that's why joe left, right? >> oh, no. >> what a schedule. >> should they still have a chance to play for the national title? sgli think alabama is ranked eighth in the league. i'm sure they could beat anybody they play. when you're the champion, everybody wants a piece of you. it's difficult to come back. they have a great coach and a great team, a good young team. >> do they deserve a chance to play? >> i think so. boise state played toledo. i think alabama could beat toledo. >> back to the nfl, giants, do we like them over the long run? >> there was a statement yesterday that texans can move the ball effectively and the giants defense played much better than expected. mike lombardi, thanks for coming in. when we come back, is there a quick fix to the foreclosure fiasco, we'll bring in congressman elijah cummings next on "morning joe." my dad... people know a lot about dad. he sure knows how to break up a party... but you know what, he's the glue that holds us all together. people know a lot of things about me, but no one needs to know about my condition. thanks to depend®, they don't. [ male announcer ] now the best protection also comes in new prints and colors. stay twice... earn a free night! two separate stays at comfort inn or any of these choice hotels can earn you a free night -- only when you book at choicehotels.com. it's bad for the housing market and these institutions which is why they're scrambling to go back through their documentation for all this. i'm not sure about a national moratorium because there are, in fact, valid foreclosures that probably should go forward where the documentation and paperwork is proper. we're working closely with these ins tuesdays to make sure they expedite the process of going back and reconstructing these and throwing out those that don't work. >> 41 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." jim cramer is still with us. norah o'donnell along with willie and me. that was white house senior advisor david axelrod talking about lenders' freezes on foreclosures. we'll talk more with maryland democratic congressman elijah cummings who is in favor of a 60-day moratorium of all foreclosures in maryland. how possible is it to get that moratorium? >> i think we've got a pretty good chance of accomplishing that. you have to keep in mind here that you've got bank of america, one of our largest banks, already agreeing to a 50-state ban -- moratorium on foreclosure sales. that tells me a lot. it says that there's a major problem. banks don't give an inch. and this says that there's something awful loi wrong. of course, we have allied and jpmorgan chase providing a moratorium in 23 states. so -- this is serious business. you've got -- we have a process by which these affidavits which basically attest to the fact that the lender owns the property and that the borrower is in default, basically what we've got is people not even looking at the documents, just signing them -- i'm talking about tens of thousands of them. >> yes. >> so basically we've got to address this problem. a moratorium is a fair way to do that. >> it's clear the banks were even jumping in and trying to act. jim cramer, i want to bring you into this and ask ultimately about how this is going to impact the overall housing market. but also, what does this mean and take it to elijah, if you want, about past foreclosures that could have been questionable. this sounds like a can of worms. >> i think they won't go back and reopen. i know there's some people that feel that anything in contract right now whether there's a possibility is going to be frozen. that's going to be a big issue. i have a contrary view on this. i think when you shut down for 60 days the foreclosure market, you'll see the first strengthening of housing prices because the one that is are clearly not in foreclosure will be of great value for the 800,000 to 1 million people who need to find a home right now, contrary view that will pan out. we get an increase in the price of housing because of foreclosure, a big win for america. we have to be thinking about america and not individual banks. >> congressman? >> jim, you have to keep in mind that 25% of all sales are foreclosed houses. there's something about the -- that we've got to keep in mind. and that is the home buyer. this is their number one investment. and sometimes the only major investment. there is a process here. and you just can't take people's property without going through the proper process. so basically -- keep in mind what i said a little earlier, bank of america would not be provide ag moratorium for 50 states unless there was something awfully wrong. i actually think we're probably at the tip of a serious iceberg. we can't turn our heads to this. nobody is saying don't foreclose. what we're saying is let's delay this and try to figure out what's going on here, let's try to figure out the extent of any fraud, the extent of these foreclosure mills where people are racing -- employees are racing to foreclose upon our constituents. and let's have a fair process. there's another way of doing this, too, that if companies -- lenders do have a process where they're not using these foreclosure mills and doing everything right, show us that you're doing that and we won't have a problem with you. but, again, there's another piece to this. you know one of the things we lerntd in law school in the first year is we have a course called property. one of the things you want to do is make sure that there is a chain, that is, the person who sold it to you, they actually owned it. so mika, you're absolutely right. this could become a mess. somebody could buy a piece of property down the line and somebody comes back and looks to see whether the person actually owned it who sold it to them and discovered they didn't. that's a problem. >> norah o'donnell. >> you were talking about part of the problem is the robo signing going on on the documents in order to push them through. why is there this rush to foreclosure in these robo signs of documents? >> i think one of the things that's happening is -- let me understand that my office has handled literally thousands, working with thousands of people with regard to foreclosures. what we've seen over and over again to try to modify the foreclosures, what we've seen is mistakes being made by banks. one of the things that they don't do is they have not hired enough, they haven't hired enough people to address the issue of foreclosures and all these people who are -- and modifications and people who are in trouble. so basically i think the banks have not done what they're supposed to do so they can appropriately deal with these things. so then what do they do? they ship the work off to these foreclosure mills which are basically law firms that are pushing paper and signing and just -- and signing affidavits that they've never even looked at. that's not right. it's simply not right. >> congressman cummings, stay on this, and we will as well. interested to see what happens. i certainly hope it doesn't become even a bigger problem than it already is. coming up, "hardball's" chris matthews will be here. with one photograph he became an international man of mystery. no, that's not willie geist. somewhere the story behind the guy with the cigar. tomorrow whoopi goldberg will be here. we'll be back with more "morning joe." we need directions to go to... pearblossom highway? 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>> i don't know. >> that's unfortunate. he's not talking. dylan, how are you doing, buddy? >> very well. >> good to see you. you wear speedos, right? >> a lot was explained by paladino. >> the grinding and the speedos. >> i was exposed to so much as a child -- >> brainwashed. >> a problem? seriously, joe. what is wrong with this man? >> that was paladino just a few minutes ago on "the today show" answering the questions about statements yesterday and ramping them up describing the way he perceives the new york gay pride parade. >> i have more. >> chris asked do we want paladino? i said as much as we want the preacher to burn the koran. >> yeah, that's true. >> what's worse, being exposed to homosexuals or heterosexuals at a child? >> that's easy. heterosexual. >> we all have parents. come on. >> looking good, joe. >> thank you so much. >> both of you, actually. >> why do you think i'm looking good. >> sorry, willie. >> talking about gay guys coming up to me and got me dressing well, right? >> you look like a million bucks. >> hanging out with heterosexuals, i look like i usually look. this paladino guy, he's a new yorker. >> this is why we need the against line. if you'd ever need an argument why you need to not be forced to vote for one of two jambonees to get two candidates to administrative our country, whether you look at the race in california, new york. the refusal of the politicians to allow us to reject bad candidates. >> it is coming. it is coming. >> we need the against line. >> a good friend of mine talking about the american freak show. if you look at the state of politics in 2010, it's an american freak show. the extremismists are taking ov. it's a total freak show. >> we need the against line, people. >> we need the against line and another choice. willie, save us from this american freak show. >> american freak show. >> deliver us. >> do you think cuomo is a jambonee, too? >> sure. >> what does that mean? >> i don't know. >> dylan says things like -- >> i hope this is not an ethel -- >> me, too. >> i thought it was a thing for a hockey game. >> that's a zamboni. >> we understood the point. >> i guess, listen, my criticism of cuomo is the refusal to engage the financial crimes committed in the state. he is the attorney general. not a single indictment or investigation. not a single claw back. >> where's the follow-through? >> he likes to talk about how tough he is, mr. tough guy and the tough guy commercial. doesn't really do anything tough. >> let me just say that the words and opinions of dylan ratigan do not necessarily reflect -- >> no. i would like to know where the follow through -- >> i would like to know what that word means! we talk about -- >> you know what? it's one of the ones where you know it when you see it. >> i don't know what that means. we are, mika, and -- you said it before. we're a safehouse. >> yes. a special island of sanity. >> in a sea of torrent crazy -- >> you nut. >> i'm just going to stop right there. >> no, you're kidding. >> we don't call people names here. >> i take it. >> no. >> does that make you feel better. >> might be a positive term. >> it seems to be a distraction. >> it is. >> carl paladino, we are going to check off as crazy and i don't think we need to do that interview. >> for the record, i'm not getting any search results on jambonee. >> i have an urban dictionary. >> i am very concerned. anyway, we have a lot to talk about. >> maybe go to the other news? >> plow ahead. anything. >> go. >> weird. >> please. >> all right. republicans and allies are hitting back at suggestions by president obama. the white house and the democratic national committee that they're using illegal foreign money to fund midterm election ads. >> why wouldn't they? >> right. please. i just -- i don't want to argue this. >>s in not real news. >> democratic officials -- we have had some issues. >> seriously? >> targeted groups and when backed by karl rove calling on them to disclose the source of their political donations but some members of the so-called mainstream media questioning the obama administration's claims. >> this part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts, mr. axelrod. do you have any evidence it's anything other than peanuts? >> do you have any evidence it's not, bob? the fact is the chamber asserted that but won't release any information about where their campaign money is coming from and that's at the core of the problem here. >> if the only charge three weeks into the election that the democrats make is there's somehow may or may not be foreign money coming into the campaign, is that the best you can do? >> no. i think that we have a more fuamental concern, bob, which is that the republican party and the interest groups who are now the major force in some of these campaigns want to turn the clock back to the policies that got us in the mess in the first place. >> willie, how many times do you answer the question, is that the best you can do? >> rather not get into it. >> okay. >> what about mika's question, though? why not say where the money came from? >> please. >> fine with me. both sides want to do it? >> transparency would be nice, dylan. >> yes, it would. >> as you're saying for years. obviously transparency seems too difficult and going down this road instead. >> is that the best you can do? what else do you have? illinois candidates vying for the senate seat met yesterday on "meet the press." kirk and gentleman newiannoulia kirk told several lies in the campaign from false claims of military service to calling himself a deficit hawk. >> this is a fundamental public policy difference between myself and congressman kirk. he says he is a fiscal hawk. look, the congressman told some real whoppers in the campaign and that may be the biggest one of all. >> well. however, giannoulias put on the defensive when he was questioned about the loans of the family's failed bank made to crime figures. >> did you know that they were crime figures that your bank was loaning to? >> we didn't know the extent of that activity but again -- >> but you knew that they were -- >> if you look at any bank, bigger banks, you find hundreds of individuals -- >> did you know they were crime figures? >> i didn't know the extent of their tift. >> this is the list of bank loans to convicted mobsters and felons. he was the senior loan officer of the bank to the ones in yellow. michael "jaws." these are all infamous mob figures and bankers who have very long and storied records. you don't have to pull the rap sheet. it was in "the chicago tribune." >> wow. >> that's tough. >> kind of an awkward moment there maybe. >> that's the jaws debate. tough moment for giannoulias. >> senior loan officer. >> yeah. didn't know the extent of their -- >> he knew they were -- david said did you know that they were criminals. i didn't know the extent. >> i don't know. >> i mean, was it -- did they steal $20 million or -- >> loan sharking here, racketeering there. >> doing heroin on the side. sometimes -- >> they go together. >> money laundering. >> they have the cash. >> that's not a convincing answer. >> it wasn't. >> yet another convincing advertisement for the against line in the electoral process. >> wow. >> all right. let's move to connecticut. shall we? >> i sense a theme. continued. >> this is a good one. >> no. go ahead. if you got it. >> i got it. >> i don't have anything. they got it. >> i got it. >> joey tells me he has one pitch. throw it. >> defended the respective records in business and government. in two separate interviews yesterday. republican linda mcmahon asked about the adult content of world wrestling entertainment where she served at ceo until she decided to run for office. >> when you see some of that go on the ring, the girl told to get on all fours -- i think by your own husband and bark like a dog. are you comfortable with that? >> well, ww programming has changed from tv 14 over the years which that's the time you were talking about it was the attitude era into now being pg. content providers are clearly creating scenarios from an entertainment point of view. i think you elect to go to a movie or watch a program. i'm a strong proponent of first amendment rights. >> okay. >> wow. >> let's just start there. >> yeah. what do you think about that, mika? >> i've expressed my opinion and it is my opinion and i would love to hear sort of what your perspective -- i think that businesses have to be responsible and take responsibility for the product that they put out there. and if i understand correctly, the organization has kids and families coming to it and young people. and i'm sorry. that is not a product i want even available to our kids. that's just -- sorry. >> willie, you are an expert in this area. massa massa massogny -- no. you have written a book about this. you know pop culture. but didn't they like -- like simulate rape and here you have a woman on all fours being told to bark like a dog. and it seemed to glorify violence against women. and a lot of horrific, horrific things and it is not like she did it at 20 years old. >> this is her career and her business and made money. >> by the way, let's just say she's got the money to run 30-second against dick blumenthal every 30 seconds. >> i was watching with sergeant slaughter against the commies. they do the disgusting stuff. they introduced since i was a kid now women in the ring who are hit, knocked down, they fight women, guys smacking women around. i guess the question is, that's obviously ma sonlg nisic and disgusting but does that affect her ability to be a chief executive of -- >> i guess they'll decide. >> does that preclude the fact -- >> it reflects what types of decisions she makes. and these were business decisions. and in order to make money, she thought these things were acceptable. or allowable or even good. to me, i think she's got to take responsibility for that and not throw it off as a business decision. it is bad for our society and kids to have that crap available to them. it's awful. >> you know what? if somebody grows up seeing men striking women, telling women to get on all fours and bark like a dog, if those images are being seen by 9, 10, 11, 12-year-old boys, bad things are going to happen. >> let's think about how sick this is. >> with some of the children without guardrails and parents there -- >> people clapping for this? it's sick. >> clapping for violence and also clapping for the den inaugurati denegration of women. this isn't a close call for me. she has the money to run these 30-second campaigns and to shape this campaign the way she's shaping it because of the horrific business practices in my opinion. we are not getting to -- i guess what i'm wanting is her to say, you know what? we made some mistakes and i'm really, really sorry for it instead of saying it was a business decision. >> that would have helped but i guess she doesn't believe that. >> the political character going back too long is when i explain it, move on, distract you with the fact he's a jerk eneven though you said i'm a jerk is acceptable and she's practicing it. the question for me is how long will the american voter -- i should not say how long is how far will the american voter let this go before they reject all of these -- >> what do you call them? >> jambonnes. >> look on youtube. we don't need to show the video. >> how much longer to be presented with these types of leaders? don't know. >> we let things pass. going to give her a pass on that? not interested. >> i would be surprised if that works in connecticut. >> i would be stunned. i was surprised by the polls that showed, you know, some growth there but it looks like blumenthal's probably going to take it away. >> we'll see. you never know. it would be a republican year and maybe people like linda mcmahon slip over the finish line. who knows? coming up, why the president's plan to spend more on roads, rails and airports might hit a roadblock. governor chris christie. details next. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. 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"new york times," much of the focus on republican efforts to win control of congress but a wave of republican victories in the governors' races could have just as significant and potentially longer lasting implications. >> "the st. petersburg times." the men are squabbling about not who gets out first but the last man out seeking a guaranteed place in the book of records as the miners trapped underground the longest. you don't think that chile -- >> there's a whole angle of this we don't want to get into but the wives and the mistresses waiting outside. that's why they don't want to get out. that's a true story. >> i would stay down there. >> the wives crying and see another group of women crying. who are -- oh. >> oh. what do you think of that, mika? just say you're fat. >> you're fat. >> okay. >> she plays the part well. >> that's awful. >> you got two lines. you're fat. you're stupid. what do you think of that, mika? >> you're stupid. >> mika, stop. >> let's look at "the wall street journal." strange salute to the mcrib. it's offered in random cities for a few weeks at a time. that elusive created a fan base that goes to considerable lengths to find one including the website mcrib low kay or the and nearly 300 facebook groups devoted to the sandwich. >> i love this. this would be a -- now you say americans are disgusting and fat. >> americans are disgusting and fat. >> boom. she nailed it again. mika's understudy nailed it again. >> patrick glavin with the politico playbook. >> he likes cats. >> and mcrib sandwiches. >> which tastes better? >> which do i like better? >> which tastes -- >> he went with it again. >> sometimes i feed the cats mcribs when we run out of purina. >> go ahead, willie. >> the president going to call for approval for $50 million in federal spending on roads, rails and airports. but who's emerging as kind of a thorn in the president's side in this issue? >> governor chris christie from new jersey. he is not on the guest list but sort of the aura of chris christie will be there. namely because as we all know he is basically sort of put the heisman on the proposed tunnel between new york and new jersey basically saying it's a waste of taxpayer money and here we have the obama administration and republicans we should note, as well, who say that these sort of nowitz investments are wise and can be paid for and a lot of times while republicans try to be fiscally conservative, when it comes to infrastructure, they can have a soft spot and now governor christie saying, look, if we can't pay for it or afford it, we won't pay for it. if he is sort of the signal of more republicans turning against that, and also the public, when they're staring down trillion dollar deficits, that could be an interesting moment in politics and stimulus spending, as well. >> dylan, so many republicans talk the talk and never walk the walk. never cut when it hurts. never cut when it makes them uncomfortable. i think that's why chris christie has taken off. the pea partiers in virginia put him first in the presidential poll and people say who's a guy overweight, a guy from jersey, a guy who's moderate on social issues, how does hedo this and beat all others? because he's doing what he said he was going to do! >> the question of integrity. >> yes! >> the conversations we were having and how preposterous the races are and the absurdity of those conversations and whether you like the governor from new jersey or not, at the very least, he strongly represents himself as a man who has a sbn integrity and relied upon for resolve in addressing problems. >> he said he was going to -- and guess what? he's making unpopular decisions that are going to help fix the budget crisis. >> no. the ultimate thing would be to see if we find any politician to address the elephant in the room which is the massive inefficiency that allows for the anti-government rhetoric to be what it is. it is the elephant in the room that 70% of the government data is not even valid. we're dealing with -- the whole thing is nonsense and the politicians instead of using the technology that we have to update our government so that people who are going to be here longer will actually be able to stop having their money stolen from them effectively. i don't know why they don't do it. >> willie, we showed earlier the gallup poll that showed the president with a 48% approval rating and mika you agree with me, right? >> of course. >> even though you think i'm fat and stupid. there was another question asked, one -- i think mika dyed her hair. one -- what's your opinion of obama and here we go? 48%. and then one word to describe the government. look at this number. it's -- chris, i can't stretch to 9:30, dude. we are off in like -- here we go. 72% having negative opinion of the government. only 10% positive. that's tough. >> it's tough but at the same time you know how you want to take something over, a sports team or anything in the gutter? >> yeah. >> you should be so lucky -- >> now's the time. >> come out and say, listen. we'll do the earmark transparency act. tom coburn has it. lists of legislation that don't go to spending money on roads or a deal for seniors or for students or this is a deal for veterans. it's this government does not keep track of anything. it is phenomenally inefficient and dominated by special interest deals with earmark money flows and you know what we're going to do? get rid of that. neither -- no politician that i can find is doing that. >> patrick, that shapes the whole debate for this year, doesn't it? that 72% of americans who have a negative view of government shapes every race. >> absolutely does. i think what's interesting is i think governor christie getting support of people for sort of dropping the hammer on this stuff but he isn't 100% on the tunnel issue. ray la hood visited him and folks from the white house trying to appeal saying new jersey could lose lots and lots of federal funding and if he says fine, fine, fine, do the tunnel, it's interesting to see how it change it is debate and if people who are anti-government saying if christie doesn't have the spine to stick up for this, then who is? he's obviously somebody to do that for them. >> isn't there a difference of anti-government and anti-corrupt inefficient government? can't you be in favor -- i'm not anti-government. i'm pro-efficient government that's not lying and stealing peoples' money. >> hold on. >> and -- >> i'm against the lying and stealing. >> pro-efficient government. >> mika's pro. >> how old are you right? >> 20. >> a few years to be present. >> be cool if the cool new technology -- >> stop it. don't try to -- the kids. don't do it. leave mika alone. okay? you are going well beyond what we told mika's understudy to -- >> sorry. >> two things shaping the debate. negative number. two, american freak show. this is a book that is going to be shaping the conversation. we're -- that really seriously chelsea's generation will be talking about. >> we'll change these elections. >> is there a chapter on men who like cats? >> no. that's too freaky. >> that's too gross. >> x-rated. >> by the way, that goes without saying. people that put firecrackers in their ears. of course that's freakish. >> yeah. >> we'll do a whole book on you, patrick. >> paperback edition. >> chelsea's grand parents, big fans of "morning joe" on long island. hope hopefully they're watching right now. tell me i'm stupid and fat. >> you're stupid and fat. >> thank you, mika. what's next, willie? >> well done. >> well played, sir. >> we'll go live to michigan for a first look at the vehicle that could be a game changer for american automakers. >> does that make it up the hill now? 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>> that's the horn. >> right. >> this is just a little chirp that lets you -- so basically -- >> it's polite one. >> the volt. >> okay. >> it's a polite of letting people know. hell. you're right behind you. you won't be hearing us approach. the volt gets up to 350 miles fully charged and loaded with a full tank of gas. first 40 miles all electric. we took it for an extended drive last week. over six hours here in eastern michigan. people are saying, what happens if i need to plug it in? you can on the side and a recharging code in the back but designed by general motors so that you can stop at a gas station and then you can fill up on fuel and the gas assist engine powers you forward from there. so far, 120,000 people around the country have raised their hand. they call them hand raisers in the auto industry saying we're interested in paying 41 grand for this vehicle and a lot of money for electric extended range vehicle and questions are whether they can sell this at current gas prices but if they spike as we saw when they spiked last night, sales went off the charts of prius. one other thing to get a lot of attention, it is hard to see here, guys with the camera angle. look at the center console. it is an ipod-like center console. you can immediately see how efficiently you're driving the car. how much battery you have used. it is impressive and goes on sale over the next couple of months. >> wow. so can i ask you a question? phil, how tall are you? >> 6'1". >> okay. you're a big guy like me. i'm 6'4", weigh 487 pounds. i just got out of the shower. can you fit in the car comfortably? >> yeah. you know what? the backseats are pretty comfortable, too. >> really? >> joe back in here, i mean, look at. this i'm not even all the way back. i'm pretty comfortable. i could skooch back. it was a comfortable drive. i'm not here to sell the car for chevy but it answered questions of whether or not this is like a science project or a golf cart driving it. >> right. and the question i asked other than can you take the key out of the ignition is this, phil. you know, i actually get into a smart car, i'm 6'4". i've gotten into a smart car and i got great head room. who would have believed it? looks like they designed this a similar way where bigger people can get in there. >> correct. they did. it's actually a few inches smaller than the prius. people look at it saying, wow. it looks about the same size as a prius. it's a little bit smaller. plenty of room in there. what we're talking about the big question now for general motors, whether or not this car will sell at 41 grand. >> how fast does it go? >> with the federal tax credit, there's money for somebody to say i'll step up and buy this car. >> phil, a lot of -- >> how fast it goes. >> i want to do the other side of the story at some point. >> how fast does it go? >> how fast can it go? we had no problem on the highway passing other cars. i think you can get, you know, well over 100. i don't mean to be talking about how fast we go but we pushed 100 on some of the highways here in eastern michigan. no problem doing it. it was -- its acceleration, you get the instant torque we electric. >> that's impressive. what's the other side of the story? >> it's a long waiting list. an expensive vehicle. the other one that we're looking at is being made down south. and that one only has two seats. and meanwhile, i think some of the other countries are coming up with these a lot quicker. >> this is a good first step, though, isn't it? >> i guess. >> i'm excited by it. >> mika, you guy bring up a good point. the nissan leaf $7,500 less expensive and all electric. you're limited to 100 miles. competitors coming into the market, we won't charge 41 grand but come out with a vehicle for 20,000. and then a race for who comes up with the most efficient and lowest priced vehicle. >> willie, will you drive a car called the leaf? >> depends on what the car is like. >> i'm not judging -- >> not judging it by its name. >> nothing called the probe. a probe? but i'm not going to drive a leaf. you're just not going to do it. >> green. you have to think green. change the way you think. >> the semi to your driver's side door. this is kind of exciting day i think for american car makers. >> we'll see if it succeeds for gm. that's the big question. >> phil, thank you so much. thanks for putting up with us. >> thank you, phil. >> our political roundtable -- >> that's what we have to do in this country. doesn't start at $25,000 and be a suv size thing. this is how you start it. we figure out how it works. the cars get bigger. the prices go down and we compete internationally. i believe in this stuff. >> we're with you. the football frenzy with roger bennett, the latest on the liverpool open opera and the big deal with the boston red sox. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ one, two, three, four ♪ want you and everything that you do...do ♪ ♪ it's obvious that i like you ♪ i'd go anywhere to be near you ♪ ♪ you say ♪ flip it over and replay ♪ we'll make everything okay ♪ walk together the right way ♪ do, do, do, do... ♪ i can't sleep ♪ do, do, do, do riding the dog like it's a small horse is frowned upon in this establishment! luckily though, ya know, i conceal this bad boy underneath my blanket just so i can get on e-trade and check my investment portfolio, research stocks, and set conditional orders. wait, why are you taking... oh, i see. hey max, would it kill you to throw a guy a warning bark? 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[ male announcer ] e-trade. investing unleashed. ♪ here's a great thing about america. do you remember we had a governor of new york named eliot spitzer? do you remember him? he got in trouble because he enjoyed whores. and -- and so he had to go away. he's back now with his own show on cnn. isn't that crazy? is guy's got his own show nightly on cnn. like an hour, i think, every night monday through friday and it's interesting. out of habit, the first week at the end of the each show he would leave a couple of grand on the table. >> oh gosh. >> wow. >> well -- >> does it explain -- >> there is that. >> tough stuff. >> i forgot why he left but david told us. wow. harsh. chris, you shouldn't have played that. >> okay. >> okay. what's up, mika? what's going on? >> dylan's here to talk about the foreclosure issue. >> is that what you're talking about? >> unless you want to go there. we did it once. >> i'm so thrown off by that joke. foreclosures. banks, they made some mistakes, right? and it happens. they did some bad things and it happens in every industry. but now, there are people that want to stop all foreclosures across the united states of america. and i'm sorry to me that doesn't seem like the best thing to do when -- whether we like it or not, you know what the banks are? you love this. you and elizabeth warren say here's three doughnuts and four pastries. i play that point. okay. so the financial system is -- >> i should do elizabeth. >> all the money going through the system -- >> you have the blood. >> is the blood. and at the center of that -- >> she didn't say that. >> has to go through the heart. whether we like it or not, the banks are the heart of the financial system that determines whether people go back to work or not. that's all i got to say. >> what if you have a bad heart? >> you know what you do? you don't go -- with a knife. you go in there and figure out -- you actually get a heart surgeon. somebody that knows hearts and they go in and fix it. we have a blocked artery. we could just stick a knife in it or get a surgeon. >> maybe change the way air is pumped through it. >> exercise and eat differently. why would you -- you don't say you know what we're going to do? stop it for a month. >> we could give it rules. >> you are missing something. i say that with all due respect. you're right. listen. the foreclosure thing, let's set it to the side for a second. shall we? >> we shall. >> here's what's going on. >> i love this guy. >> go. >> in order for a bank to make loans, the government has made a deal with the banks. >> right. >> with fannie and freddie and the federal reserve. if you make loans that comply with a certain set of standards, joe scarborough is handsome and reliable. >> the heroin conviction, they never proved it. >> it's fine. so we'll take that loan and, you know what? mr. banker, i'll play the banker. willie will play the government. we take the loan and give it to the government. >> bring this into -- go ahead. >> now, let's say it turns out the banks were lying to the government whether joe was qualified to take that loan in the first place. let's say that 20, 30, 40% of the loans that are sitting with the government at fannie and freddie and the federal reserve fraudulently created by bankers for fees and revenues and then the bankers are like, hang on a second. you want to investigate this? why would you want to investigate this? >> i speak totally out of the ignorance. the par for the course. is it 20%, 30%, 40%? >> we don't. it could be that much. in fact, if you look at the government's refusal and eric holder's refusal to conduct an audit of the actual loans that were given to fannie mae and freddie mac, that are held at the federal reserve to identify whether those loans were, in fact, in compliance with the standards set by the government and no one wants to conduct that audit and who can blame them? the fraud could run so thick through the entire system and to willie's point, willie saying in the commercial, what if they find the fraud and the loans given to them? they'll take the loans and give them back to the banks saying you know what? you can't stick the crap with the taxpayer and you keep the bonus. you will blow up citigroup and jp morgan. you are back where you started and i think both the politicians and the bankers would rather move on and not deal with it. >> a point of privilege. i would not put citi with jp morgan chase. >> you might not but if you were to look at the actual profile of the servicing banks which there are four. wells fargo and bank of america, citi and jp morgan. >> this, by the way, this is the sort of exhilarating talk that you get every day at 4:00 on "the dylan ratigan show." >> 4:00 eastern standard time. >> look at the picture. i love the color scheme. >> looks funny. >> xwoer jous, dylan. >> not leaning forward like chuck. chuck was leaning way too forward on to savannah guthrie. >> i think that's not the picture. >> you are leaning back. >> when we come back, the "morning joe" football frenzy with roger bennett and that's next on "morning joe." ♪ you are destroying a piece of history in liverpool. >> not just a football team. it is a family. >> you don't care about traditions. >> no interest in sports fans anywhere across the world. >> i'm a comedian first i've never seen anything as funny as what you have created in this city. >> a video on youtube a day before the red sox owners offer to buy the soccer club liverpool, fans speaking out against the ownership of tom hicks and mr. jigillette. here to talk about it, roger bennett. >> joey. >> a world football expert. >> joey told me a couple days ago that hicks really showed his true colors. what did he call liverpool fans? >> unwelcome noise or nuisance. something to that effect. >> background noise burning american floogs on the streets. it is a tragic day. >> stop. just shut up. >> i am. i'm objective an i tell you the mess they have created of liverpool is so bad that i have no pleasure from it right now. >> the american owners. >> you know them from the stream of texas rangers and the one from destroying the monostreel monostreel canadiens. >> they're the yankees and red sox combined. >> liverpool, a heritage brand. a greatest tradition in world soccer. they have asset strip the club over years. like beating up betty white, mika. who would do that? >> i understand. you have given me an avenue. >> hicks said i'll pump money into it. a new stadium in 60 days. the fans loved him. about as welcome in liverpool as carl paladino at a gay pride parade. >> that's true. >> joey, actually, i just figured this out. you worked for the red sox organization for a summer. we know them very well. they are as well run of a sport -- >> the best -- >> they're the best, aren't they? >> they're good what the they do. >> and you would even admit -- >> almost as much as the team that always wins. >> willie. >> how could you say a never that never wins -- anyway. >> they're run very well. and there's a lot of concern. a group of americans following another, not a bigger difference between the red sox organization. >> this is fascinating. i'm working with news outlets in england. everybody wants to know who's john henry, who's the new england sports venture ownership? and the honest truth is they couldn't be more different. i mean, as a -- sources tell me the team up there, the hearts bleed red. real soccer fans. you ask any taxi driver in liverpool, it's the capital city of ireland and the clash with the red sox and the whole red sox nation. but when mark teixeira, the money can't be found to buy him to redevelop the stadium in liverpool, how do you feel about that one? >> interesting. >> the fact is they're buying low. they're going to make a lot of money off of liverpool and at the end of the day, i mean, this is just bargain basement price for one of the greatest sports franchises in the world. they'll make a lot of money. >> this is one of the most fascinating things. america couldn't care less about soccer. we have two american groups battling it out for control. why? look at golden state warriors for $450 million, st. louis rams for $450 million. liverpool is a bargain and i think they'll ride again. >> joey, some of the people that run the red sox, what's in their offices? >> i mean, the joke when i was interning is talking more about soccer than baseball. it's insane. >> they love soccer. >> the soccer culture there is, you know it's baseball's secondary to most of the people that work there. >> joey and roger. >> talking about soccer. >> thanks, guys! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t covers 97% of all americans. rethink possible. sadly, no. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner. well, in that case, i better get back to these invoices... which i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? i'm going to tidy up your side of the office. i can't hear you because i'm also making you a smoothie. 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