he attacked him. i'm not talking about mr. arbery attacking travis. all right, here's the concept of excessive fofrs. and this is a big one. because if you use excessive force during your self-defense, guess what? you're not justified, you're guilty. not justified, you're guilty. if you use excessive force. because it's force that exceeded what was reasonably necessary. you guys ever heard of the term, that saying, you can't bring a gun to a knife fight? it's unfair, right? you can't bring a gun to a fistfight. it's unfair, right? you can't use excessive force you can't call someone out and go, hey, buddy, let's take it outside, you're starting it. and when that person starts to beat you up and you're better than fight at you, you don't get to pull out a gun and shoot