0 you let this go unpunished that more people will do it throughout the world, and it will be easier to have weapons, chemical, biological, even nuclear, which is what iran is working on. it will be easier for those people to traffic in them and to use them. that is the fundamental. >> laura: it's a totally flawed argument. >> bill: what was that powers? >> it's a flawed argument. >> bill: what does that mean flat? >> flawed. >> saddam used chemical weapons in the late 1980s. >> bill: nobody really knew he was gassing the kurds and used them against iran it was in a war capacity. >> he wasn't punished for it it and it didn't lead to chemical weapons being used all the time. >> bill: so one tyrant isn't punished that means another one shouldn't be? >> it's not about whether or not he should be punished. of course we want assad to be punished for it the question is whether or not it is going to actually do anything. my point is you are making the positive case that if. >> bill: it's speculative -- powers. >> on them then they won't. you can't prove that. >> bill, i'm 100% agreeing with you that we should not be appeasing and turning a blind eye. what i believe is that you didn't point out the third option. and that is that a strike right now, without having laid the groundwork, without knowing what's going to happen, and you have got an empowerment of forces that hate the united states of america, and i'm talking about the al qaeda and muslim brotherhood forces, which have been proven to be in existence and a part. i don't know how much of a part but they are a large part of the fighting force of the rebels in syria. you do not want to create a situation worse than there is now. i'm not saying we should do nothing. >> bill: there are a lot of speculative reasons not to take action. >> that's not speculation. >> bill: sure it is. you don't know what the unintended consequences of punishing assad are going to be. >> but we do know that these other forces exist and that what he they want to do is attack the united states of america. so it's a dangerous situation. that's all that i'm saying and it should be thought through. >> bill: of course it's dangerous. >> it hasn't been thought through though, bill. it should have been thought through barack obama laid down that red line. he should have known what the strategy would be. >> bill: that's the crux of the matter. >> created this huge problem. >> bill: wit. the crux of the matter is the american people do not have confidence in their commentator and chief that he knows what he is doing. that's it. ladies, thank you. next on the rundown, president obama now trying to spin the syrian issue stay saying his tough stance may lead to fruitful negotiations. negotiations. jesse watters on the -- any last requests mr. baldwin?