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jim spellman. he's standing outside the theater. we can see the neon sign behind you. let's talk first about this video. i know it's black and white. what more can you tell us? >> yeah, police describe this whole apartment as being designed to kill. all rigged up to a trip wire at the front door. it took them almost two days before they could figure out how to dismantle this safely, ult the matly using water to render inoperable this control box. fortunately there wasn't a timer to it because they needed that much time to sort out how to do it. when they were finally able to render it safe, they took them to the country and detonated them. the fire ball in the middle of the field was huge, devastating to ponder the impact should a first responder or police officer gone through that door. >> about the investigation, jim, what's the latest? i thought seeing the suspect in court yesterday and seeing all of his facial -- i guess i would call them ticks or just -- he looked weird and he also was acting very strange. >> reporter: to me, when i was in the courtroom and when i sat there looking at him, to me he looked small and weak and lost. he won't really officially be charged in monday, we anticipate 70 counts. the defense will get their access to the movie theater and apartment as they start to build their case. an important thing will happen in the case soon will be a competency hearing to see whether the suspect is competent to go ahead with the trial or not. >> we're watching this case very closely, especially when the charges are put forward. jim spellman, thank you. we'll have more on this topic with retired fbi agent ray lopez in just a moment. first a look at the day's top stories, christine romans has that for us. >> moupting concern in the u.s. and israel about chemical weapons possibly entering the fray in syria, fierce fighting continuing overnight in city of alep po, the assad regime clinging to power this morning. here's the development that's getting attention, a spokesman publicly threatening to deploy chemical weapons against any foreign intervention. it's a threat senator john mccain is taking seriously. >> there is a danger of chemical weapons that are presently under bash ar al assad's control from flowing to hezbollah, presenting a grave threat to the security of israel. >> president obama warning the assad regime it would be a tragic mistake to use chemical weapons, promising syria will be held accountable if it does. a new era for penn state's football program after a massive punish from the ncaa. they leveled a $60 million fine, imposed a four-year boan own postseason activity and stripped the school of scholarships and football victories for the last 14 seasons. penn state says it won't fight the stiff sanctions. we'll heard from mike and mike in the morning just ahead. charges will be brought against several key figures arrested in the "news of the world" phone hacking scandal. andy coulson and rebekah brooks will be charged. coulson was former aid to david cameron and close confidant of rupert murdoch. a total of 24 people, including 15 current and formal journalists have been arrested since the investigation was launched a year and a half ago. she didn't just break the glass ceiling, blasted it into space, sally ride, the first american woman to orbit the earth died after battling pancreatic cancer. she made a second trip aboard the same shuttle a year later. president obama called her a national hero and inspiration to countless women. sally ride was 61 and soledad, i'm sure it was the same for you, you grew up hearing about her and her amazing achievement, really taught girls and women an awful lot about what they can do in science technology. >> i don't necessarily think her amazement achievement was the first thing, going up in space, all of that commitment to try to get young women to follow in her footsteps, she was awesome. we'll miss her. back to our top story this morning, new details about all of these explosives that were found inside the apartment of the aurora shooting suspect. we want to get to ray lopez, a retired fbi agent and former team leader of the hazardous response unit. nice to see you. what we know is that all of these i.e.d.s, i am pro advised explosive devices were rigged to a control box and glass containers because they would accelerate any kind of explosion. have you ever seen domestically any kind of setup like this? >> no, soledad, good morning. this would be one of the first times i think we've ever seen what we can describe as a house bomb in the united states. some of these things do exist overseas, we've seen them in places like iraq and afghanistan. also in colombia, south america, but this is the first one i can actually recall reading or seeing about in the united states where it was actually set to destroy the home. >> the source for cnn talking to our reporter poppy pharlow it looked like massive spaghetti and wires all connected. would this something incredibly complicated and the suspect would need quite a fair amount of expertise to be able to do this? >> no, you know, the expertise is out there. i think he's -- you look at his peddegree that i was a graduate student working towards his ph.d.. i think he had the education and knowledge, it is on the internet. with a little bit of common sense and he has quite a bit of that. very intelligent. he just put it all together and had something ready to go for the apartment. >> that's awesome. poppy harlow was talking to a source who said this, the flame would have consumed the entire third floor of the apartment complex by the time a fire truck would have arrived to the building, completely consumed in flames. the damage potential seems massive and at the same time, what we know about the suspect he tipped off pice when they were able to apprehend him. those two things seem almost contradictory to me. >> yes, again, i think eventually we're going to find out through investigation that i think he was leading the police on to try to get to that apartment and either worse case scenario kill the police officers going to the apartment and destroy the evidence that existed in the apartment. >> we were told the way they were able to disable the control box was to do something call water shock. is that typical to disarm a rigged explosive device? what exactly is water shock? >> it's just driving water using explosives as the medium. you're using water to actually cut through if you will, or disrupt the electric circuit tri of the explosive ied. >> let me ask a question about his mental state, that is a big question, everybody seeing him in court yesterday. would someone be able to compile something so deadly as you point out, being able to be me tick house plotting and planting and does that contradict with a his defense attorneys will say, this is a person who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, maybe the insanity defense? >> right. i think if law enforcement perspective, you think you have to let the professionals do their job in mental health to determine the status of this individual and it's -- i think it's a complicated situation. i think from the law enforcement point of view, both state sean local and federal, we move ahead and the prosecution phase gathering the evidence, doing the interviews and collecting all of the scientific report and data. and getting ready to go to court as if this guy were competent to stand trial. personally i think this took a lot of planning. this was not something that he thought about overnight. the weapons were purchased using his driver's license, he did it as far as we know legally. he got these explosives together and actually studied this. it was not something done haphazardly. we'll leave it to the mental health officials to determine at what point someone is not all there but think through these things. it is complicated to put this together. >> i would think the focus would be -- the critical point would be do you know the difference between right and wrong, if you're booby trapping your apartment, that would sound to me that you might, might be the challenge. that is a question for lawyers and mental health professionals to discuss and maybe not us today. ray lopez, nice to see you, thanks for talking with us, we appreciate it. >> you bet. >> we're going to talk about the ncaa. did they go too far penalizing penn state football? mike and mike join me and whether it will change the culture of the university. plus, our get real this morning, a bid to bedazzle the state capitol, shaking up an election in brooklyn. my playlist believes with marvin sapp "rain on me", what a great way to start, a little gospel. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. s different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company by continuing to help you do more and focus on the things that matter to you. the hois housing market is bottoming out, a new report from zillow shows home prices on the rise, the new price for a median home, $149,300. checking the markets right now, u.s. stock futures are trading lower. european and asian markets are down too. between the debt crisis in europe and the debt ceiling debate here, still a lot of uncertainty in the markets. living on the edge. a new study shows 38% of americans are now living paycheck to paycheck, up from a decade ago. less than one third of those surveyed felt comfortable financially and only about a third think they can afford to retire by age 65. soledad? >> all right, christine, thank you. a new chapter begins for penn state's football program. its future is unclear after strict penalties were handed down for the jerry sandusky child sex abuse scandal. the school was hit with $60 million in fines over five years, a ban from bowl games for four years, a reduction from 25 to 15 scholarships a year for four years and the team has been stripped of all wins going back to 1998. that means joe paterno is no longer the winningest coach in football history, he's now number eight. ncaa president mark emmert said the goal is to change the culture. >> one of the grave dangers stemming from our love of sports is that the sports themselves can become too big to fail and indeed too big to even challenge. the result can be an erosion of academic values that are replaced by the val yu of hero worship. >> hosts of mike and mike in the morning. let's start with reaction -- i've been listening to you all morning. >> good morning, soledad. the reaction is overwhelming. this is a case unlike anything we've ever seen beginning with the horrific charges in jerry sandusky and the unique penalties that have come down. some argue shutting down the program for one year would have been less damaging than this would be. >> there are many that think the ncaa really shouldn't have stepped into this situation which was so outside of football even though the head coach through the freeh report was involved and it was in the football locker rooms as well with things going on. there's still a big debate about that as well. >> wasn't the goal as we heard from the head of the ncaa to change the culture and it's a culture sort of created by a really powerful and successful football program. rob kravitz said it's not going to work if that's the goal. if the ncaa thinks this is going to bring about a giant shift in the cultural pair dime, its head is in the clouds. nothing is going to change, not as long as college football is a multibillion dollar business. i read that and thought that is so continue cynical. do you think he's right? >> i think he's absolutely right. when penn state is recruiting players, other coachers are going to be recruiting same players, they are going to say, it's a shame what happened to penn state, it's horrific what happened, but do you really want to go to that school? you can't play for a conference championship, you can at our school. you can't play in a bowl game, you can at our school. you may want think about coming to our school. bob kravitz i think is correct. >> think of it this way. for getting the amount of money and revenue they make, penn state, when joe paterno got there half a century ago was a small rural institution in the middle of pennsylvania, no one had ever heard of. it is a world renowned institution and joe paterno was the biggest reason for that. how do you put a dollar value on that. as long as that exists, this situation isn't going anywhere. >> the reason you were allowed to have an assistant coach who could rape children and have a bunch of people who knew about it and turn their heads is because of this culture. what is the fix? how do you change a culture that says this is an entity so powerful, we don't care whose being hurt, we have to protect at all costs. what's the fix to that? >> look, let's be clear, the sandusky situation hopefully is one that is completely unto itself. like to think that any normal human decent human being would put the welfare of child above dollars. you're talking about individuals facing criminal prosecution and deservedly so. but as far as the corruption on a much less evil sense, that this kind of culture can create, i don't think that's going to change at all. >> no, it's just not. big time programs are going to say that was horrific what happened at penn state, that's never going to happen again. we're running a fine program even with our football coach having a whole lot of power. >> nice to talk to you guys, love sitting around chatting about sports. great to see you. >> thanks, soledad. >> thank you. >> some of the players say they will be staying with the program. still ahead, she's adding sopizs to politics. her flashing new website in hot pink in our get real up next. our "starting point" time heading in to talk about that. ryan lizza, margaret hoover, will cain. nice to see you. welcome back, the search for two missing girls in iowa now focused on a person who may have been paddleboating on the lake where the girls bikes were found. investigators believe 10-year-old lyric cook and her cousin are still alive. police in los angeles investigating some sort of family disturbance at the home of michael jackson's mother. deputies determined there was a physical altercation at the home but no one has been arrested. and trading one diva for another, mariah carey has signed on to replace jennifer lopez as an american idol judge. she'll make $18 million, the highest paid judge on any music competition show. >> soledad? >> all right, christine. thank you. our team this morning, ryan lizza is with us and margaret hoover, former white house appointee, bush administration. >> nice to see you live and in person. our get real is one of our favorites, i might love this woman. i love her. she's 22 years old, young woman from brooklyn is going to take on albany. her name is mindy meyer and she's running for a new york state senate seat as a republican. this is our website, bringing a little sparkle and i mean that literally to politics, hot pink blast the song yt sexy and i know it. she declares i'm senator and i know it. her issues declare she's the diva of the district in leopard print and her site says she is the first young woman in the history of new york to run for the new york state senate which of course is not really true but maybe the first 22-year-old. there's a great shot of her posing with the capitol behind her. it's the u.s. capitol and she's running for a state senate seat. she wouldn't be working in the u.s. capitol. >> details. >> she has her eye -- >> orthodox jew, as bedazzling the website is -- >> i love her. the reason she went to law school student, she saw legally blond, the movie. >> oh, god. >> what's wrong with that? >> to be inspired go to law school. >> why do you love her? >> because she's turning it all on her head. here's a young woman has a law degree and wants to be a senator. i think she said she looked at other politician's websites -- >> she's 22? >> thought they were boring. thought they were boring, so she went to law school. what's wrong with being inspired by "legally blond" to go to law school. >> she wants to bring more -- >> will doesn't like the pink. >> here's what she says about pink. you. >> not the pink that's throwing me off. >> doesn't say about the leopard print. you can make pink sophisticated. she took pink to a top legal institution like harvard, talking about elle in legally blond. why can't i bring it to the senate? she's trying to make it interestiinteres interest. >> when you're unknown, what's the hardest thing in politics. >> you're being contrary right now, right? >> she's figuring out a way of publicity. >> she's going to be running against -- >> from "legally blond". >> >> there are worse things to take your inspiration, to be inspired to go to law school, is that such a bad thing? >> no. >> she's 22. >> i'm berating you into agreeing with me. here's how you know she has a serious chance. she's running against kevin parker and he says this, does she know she's not running against the u.s. senator gillebrand -- he's scoffing. you don't do that if you're not nervous. >> it is a subtle endorsement of her, actually. she has the conservative party chair's endorsement from brooklyn, running on the republican line and democratic line. >> she has us talking about her campaign. she's genius. >> after the colorado movie theater shooting, the gun control debate returns. you haven't heard much from president obama or mitt romney about it. why talking guns is bad politics at times. plus, the public gets its say on the proposal to ban super size sodas. we'll debate that coming up. here's margaret's playlist, cold play. 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[ female announcer ] new ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. twenty-one vitamins and minerals. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach. refreshing nutrition in charge! welcome back. let's get right to christine romans. >> the car was going 112 miles per hour with an arsenal of weapons inside and clippings of the colorado shooting massacre. state police in maine are trying to figure out what this driver was plotting. they recovered four hand guns and several boxes of ammunition. the man in the car admitted he had taken a loaded gun in his back pack to a recent showing of the latest batman movie. the suspect's name not released yet. after a weekend of violent protests the mayor of anaheim is calling for a state and federal investigation into the fatal shooting of an unarmed man by a police officer. that shooting led to neighbors clashing with cops on saturday. officers responding by firing pepper gas and unleashing a police dog on that crowd. a dramatic residue in flood-ravaged china. two cars in a wedding caravan that plunged 30 feet into a river. rescuers lowering themselves down with ropes and breaking open the sunroof to pull the driver to safety. the victim suffering from head trauma, broken bones, but we're told he's expected to be okay. in this morning's house call, the united states announcing its donating $150 million to help poor nations stop the spread of aids. this coming at an international aids conference in washington. 20,000 of the world's leading scientists are meeting this week in washington to figure out how to turn the latest scientific advances into practical protections against aids. sole dad? >> it was unfortunate that this shooting in colorado really took away a lot of attention that is often focused on that conference, a tragedy and often we get really interesting information out of that conference. the man accused of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others is in an aurora colorado movie theater will be charged next week as james holmes awaits his next hearing, the debate over gun control is back in the political spotlight. here's what mitt romney said on cnbc. >> i believe the second amendment is the right course to preserve and defend and don't believe that new laws are going to make a difference in this type of tragedy. >> the president focused similarly on existing laws, white house press secretary jay carney said the president's view we can take steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them under existing law. ron brownstein, sorry to not see you in person. good morning. >> good morning. >> we know after the shooting, not long after, both candidates were releasing statements quickly. and yet when it comes to talking about gun control, it's not quite dead silence but pretty close. >> it is pretty close. fundamentally the silence is most profound in the democratic party and rests on a misperception. the myth is there is no audience for gun control. there's no question public opinion has moved away from gun control over the past 12 years without anybody in the white house making the case for that. even after that movement, if you look at pu polling, it's roughly a 50/50 proposition nationwide and the big movement towards greater opposition of gun control has been among groups that democrats are struggling with anyway, blue collar whites and if you look at the half of the ee lek tore rat open for voting for barack obama, gun control is still a 60% plus proposition. i think democrats have been paralyzed on this issue by fear of losing voters that they have already lost anyway. by failing to offer an alternative to the comments mitt romney made, they are in an unusual way, unlike something like gay marriage or legalization of illegal immigrants, they are failing to articulate, a strong preference still within the coalition, the country is split overall. >> i want to show everybody the polling on this. you mentioned the pugh polls. i would also put in your mind, couldn't that be you don't want to completely lose those voters who might be trending away from you? isn't that an effort to hang on to those voters? you look at the pugh poll, protect the right to own guns, 49%, control gun ownership, 45%. not quite split half and half. if you look at the difference tw 2004 under president george bush, that number was 37% protect the right to own guns. if you go back to 19 -- clinton, 1993, right, that number was 34%. you certainly can't argue that there's never been a trend toward people who think that there should be more of a right to protect the right to own guns. >> and i started by saying that, there's no question the movement has been away from support of gun control. but the movement has been most profound among groups moving away from democrats anyway. and the big movement has come under president obama and the biggest movement has been among noncollege or blue collar white voters very cool on the president more broadly and recoiling in a broad sense against his expansion of the role of government on a variety of fronts. i think what we're seeing on grun control is in part tied into the larger tea party reaction against the expansion of the role of washington. there is an audience for a gun control case, the country is now split about evenly as you point out. it used to be tilted solid towards the gun control side. the half open to gun control is also the half that is roughly open to voting for president obama in november and he may find before this is over that he needs that kind of issue to hold the support of those voters who might otherwise might move away from him on economic grounds. >> two things, one is intensity, the argument you hear a lot is the intensity is all on the republican side, on the conserve sie tif side. single issue voters who vote about fears of guns being taken away. the second thing, isn't there a fear on part of the white house or national democrats, not so much about obama's re-election but losing democrats in more conservative areas? which is happened in '94 when clinton lost the seats over gun control. >> ryan, i'm glad you asked this. this is a profound question for democrats. if you look -- there's no question congressional politics are tougher than the presidential politics. if you look what happened in congress, it's the same thing as we move into an era of quasiparliament voting, the coalition in congress reflects the coalition at the national level. even without raising -- one of the reasons they didn't raise gun control was the fear of losing more rural seats. of the 63 seats the democrats lost in 2010, 47 of them, 47 of the 63 were already in districts where whites without a college education exceeded the national average. they are losing those places anyway. if there is a road back to a majority for the democrats and the congress, probably not in 2012 but thereafter it runs through suburban seats and heavily diverse seats with large minority populations. in those places as we see candidates, gun control can be part of a complex of issues that democrats use. there's no question this has a distributional cost and deepens the democrats problems -- >> i have to tell you, ron, as you have tragedies like this, i think it's going to be a conversation that won't go away. >> democratic governor of colorado said this is a saddled question, he's not looking for gun control. he's saying -- wouldn't have stopped columbine, colorado. >> if your constituents start unset eling it, it will be an unsettled question. we have to take a break. ron, thank you, didn't say good-bye. let's talk about something else will cain likes, which is policing soda. is it the right solution for fighting obesity? the people of new york get to let the mayor know where they stand. and does it matter brauz the decision is on the path to being made. republican congressman jason chaffetz will be back with his pitch. i hope it's not devo, that's the song he always picks. you can now try snapshot from progressive free for 30 days. just plug this into your car, and your good driving can save you up to 30%. you could even try it without switching your insurance. why not give it a shot? carry on. now you can test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. i like this, this is lousy robot, will cain, when did you start listening to? >> clearly someone else recommends it. >> in the middle of a movie? >> how ca you tell us you're not going to tell us. it's a good song though, like it. >> public hearing set on new york city's proposed ban on big sodas, happening today. mayor bloomberg wants to ban the sale of sodas -- long island come out for a minute, sodas larger than 16 unss at city restaurants and movie theaters and other places, it requires only the approval of the board of health. they are appointed by the mayor and i'm going t guess it's going to pass. he says sugary drinks were unlead causes of the obesity epidemics, critics say it's a matter of rights not waistlines. >> i went to the movies a few weeks ago and it's a preview of we're new yorkers no one tells us what neighbor to live in. and then it leads up to the punch line, so why is our mayor telling us what we can and cannot drink. the theater erupted in applause, it doesn't matter. this will go through. >> we do not live in a democratic city -- it's a one party town but happens to be the party -- the town of mayor bloomberg who has really unparalleled power and he decided this is the way it's going to go. >> he's focusing on having people stop smoking in bars, i support that. he's focusing on trying to grapple with an obesity epide c epidemic, expensive for americans and new york and help follow to people's health. i kind of support that. he has all of this powernd using it on issues -- >> as long as he's a benevolent deta dictator. >> my mom is cuban, i know a little bit about dictators. there was a study down at nyu in the wall street journal that says you could probably cut the calorieic intent through doing this. no one is tackling the obesity program, talking about lap band surgery but not focusing on how do we get obesity -- >> there are different ways you can ban things or start a public health information. >> oh, please. >> did you wear a seat belt growing up? >> of course not, no one did. >> then you started to wear a seat belt, rye? >> they demand it and there are laws that i get a big giant ticket p people aren't wearing seat belts. >> a massive public health campaign, drunk driving -- >> because you'll get a dwi. you're arguing against your own point. >> not by banning them -- >> nope. >> this would be a terrible president. if he had to go to washington and deal -- >> he's not running for president and not going to be vp pick. >> you don't get to be the president and tell people how they are going to live their lives. this is what you call a nanny state. >> obesity, is a huge problem. what's the fix? >> he doesn't care about your support? >> nor does he need it. he doesn't care. still ahead, it is not the economy they are talking about this week. president obama, mitt romney are making their foreign policy pitches. will that sway voters? utah congressman and romney supporter jason chaffetz will join us next. [ female announcer ] quaker yogurt granola bars. they're whole grain good... and yummy good. real fruit pieces. 12 grams of whole grains and a creamy yogurt flavored coating. quaker yogurt granola bars. treat yourself good. all right. all is forgiven. that's congressman chaffin's playlist, queen and david bowie, "under pressure." romney begins a trip to britain, israel, and poland on thursday. but first he will address the vfw convention in reno today. president obama made his pitch there yesterday. here's what he said. >> as you reflect on recent years, as we look ahead to the challenges we face as a nation, and the leadership that's required, you don't just have my words. you have my deeds. you have my track record. >> republican congressman jason chafits is here today. let's talk about the president. a moment ago he was talking about his policy record, saying i have my deeds to look at. if you look overall of what he's been talking about of late, the end of the iraq war, one of his campaign promises, and the killing of osama bin laden, we have talked about that in the past, libya, the ouster of gadhafi. doesn't he have a point whether he says, listen, you want to talk foreign policy, you have my track record on this point. >> no. i think the world is a lot more volatile. our relationship with israel certainly could be much better. governor romney is going to go to poland i'm sure to talk about missile defense and how we just appeased the russians by giving up on that effort. so, no, i think there's a lot more that could be done. and i don't think it's necessarily a win if you will for president obama going into the election. >> in addition to missile defense, as you just mentioned, what other specifics will we be hearing from mitt romney as he starts talking today and heads to europe on thursday? >> well, really, the volatility in the middle east has gotten worse, not better. governor romney has said his very first visit as president to a foreign nation would be to israel. he's going to go to israel. he has a great working relationship with the prime minister there. we have to fight back on iran. we cannot ever let them achieve a nuclear weapon. we're not doing enough there. and there are other things that we need to talk about in the middle east and certainly poland and missile defense. >> here's what governor romney said to wolf blitzer on march 26. he said this. russia is without question our number one geo political foe. they fight every cause for the world's worst actors. do you think that is true, that russia is our number one geo political foe? >> well, as you look at behind the scenes what's going on and how they support terrorism, how they have supported some of the worst actors in the world, including iran, if you look at what's going on in the cyber securi front, some of the classified briefings we have heard from there, absolutely. >> worse than north korea, worse than iran, worse than china? russia? >> those are probably your top three. but certainly you cannot dismiss the russians, even though sometimes they stay out of the news. and when we gave up on missile defense in poland, we gave up our friends and allies that i think was fundamentally wrong. and i think romney will remind the world that was a bad move early in the obama presidency. >> one of the points that we are clear that russia is acting as a bad actor is in syria. they are trying to keep assad in power. now that we know that, and romney has spoken directly to russia, can give us some specifics? how would he handle the situation in syria were he president? >> well, you have to work closely with our greatest ally in the region, which is israel, and work to strengthen them in that region. it's the one democracy we have. they are our best ally. you have to give it time and attention. and i think that's what you'll see governor romney demonstrate through action, not just words. >> let me ask you a question and ask you about this tragedy in colorado. i was there yesterday. you have opposed all gun control. governor romney back in 2004 as you well know extended a ban on assault weapons. and now he's saying this. let's play this clip. >> i still believe that the second amendment is the right course to preserve and defend and don't believe that new laws are going to make a difference in this type of tragedy. >> that's a complete contradiction to what he believed as governor, correct? >> no. i don't think so. and i wouldn't characterize my position as opposed to every single gun control law. there are laws that on are the books. and as president obama said, as governor romney said, we need to enforce those laws and maintain the second amendment rights that americans have. and so we do have to enforce the laws. i think both candidates have said that. the president said that. governor romney said that. and i'm saying it as well. >> but isn't that a contradiction? in 2004, he extended the ban on assault weapons. now he is saying that i still believe that the second amendment is the right course. i don't believe new laws are going to make a difference in this type of tragedy. that sounds like a contradiction. one case he is banning assault weapons. the other case he is saying he would not. >> i think a president's position is very different than a governor. and a presidential candidate saying he supports second amendment rights, i think he's been crystal clear, that's what he would do as president. >> a quick question about this hearing you're holding today about these abuses. we had pictures from this hospital, abuses at a u.s.-funded hospital in afghanistan. and we can't even show the pictures. i can't even put them on tv to show anybody. what do you think went on there? >> well, this -- you know, since i have been in office, only 3 1/2 years, i have to tell you what's happened in haiti and what's going on in afghanistan, this is some of the most horrific, horrendous things i have ever seen. this is daywood hospital, u.s.-funded. not u.s. troops there. not u.s. doctors. but auschwitz like. it's just so disgusting, soledad. it's very difficult to look at what's going on there. people neglect, allowing surgery to go on without anaesthetics. gangrene. open wounds that aren't being dressed. and yet over $200 million of u.s. money going into this. real concerns that there was an effort to not allow the inspector general to get in there and because the generals and others on the ground really wanted a positive story coming out of afghanistan rather than solving the problem. so that's the hearing that we're having this morning. >> that hearing is today. thank you for talking to us. always nice to see you. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we have to take a short break. we're back in a moment. of the coffee house.the t add your flavor, with coffee-mate, from nestle. who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you could use less gel. and with androgel 1.62%, definite contact with applicati. discontinue androgel and call your doctor if you see unexpected signs of early puberty in a child, or, signs in a woman which may include changes in body hair or a large increase in acne, possibly due to accidental exposure. men with breast cancer or who have or might have prostate cancer, and women who are, or may become pregnant or are breast feeding should not use androgel. serious side effects include worsening of an enlarged prostate, possible increased risk of prostate cancer, lower sperm count, swelling of ankles, feet, or body, enlarged or painful breasts, problems breathing during sleep, and blood clots in the legs. tell your doctor about your medical conditions and medications, especially insulin, corticosteroids, or medicines to decrease blood clotting. talk to your doctor today about androgel 1.62% so you can use less gel. log on now to androgeloffer.com and you could pay as little as ten dollars a month for androgel 1.62%. what are you waiting for? 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"starting point" begins right now. ♪ he wakes up in the morning ♪ >> this could be our theme song. i kind of like that. that's dave matthews band. i haven't heard that in like 20 years. that's off of margaret's play list. welcome back, everybody. our team this morning, ryan lizza. nice to have you. >> good to be here again. >> short questions next time. just throwing it out there. >> wow. >> longest respondent. >> oh, oh. >> margaret hoover a former white house pointee during the bush administration with us this morning wearing pink to support a brooklyn candidate. i'm just kidding. and will cain is a columnist for theblaze.com. nice to have you all. >> i'm going to be for parker. >> i have a question for you if you can hold still. i'm going to ask four questions. >> i have had people say that. i have a nine-part question. i'm like, really? really? one, that's all you get. "starting point" this morning. details from inside the apartment of the man accused of shooting up that aurora, colorado, movie theater. a law enforcement officer spoke exclusively with cnn after reviewing some of the footage they took, black and white footage, from inside that apartment and he tells poppy ha harlow that the massive wires looked like, quote, spaghetti, and that it was rigged right, meaning that if police hadn't dismantled it appropriately, the entire floor could have been engulfed in flames. he described it as something you would have seen in iraq or afghanistan, not here in the u.s. meantime, the two public defenders representing the suspect are expected to seek a competency evaluation after yesterday's hearing. they are trying to determine of course the mental state of the alleged shooter, who seemed completely out of it in that court appearance. did you watch that? >> yes. >> he sort of floated in and out. sometimes looked like he was dozing. sometimes his eyes would bulge. lisa wayne is a criminal defense attorney and knows the attorneys who are representing the suspect. she even trained them. lisa, thank you for being with us. his appearance was odd. i know you watched what he looked like in court, and not just his hair. but his demeanor. would he have been medicated? is that policy? he looked to me like -- because he was falling asleep at times. he looked like he was sedated possibly. would that have happened? >> it could have happened. i mean, there are two possible scenarios. that that is an individual who has been medicated and therefore has prescribed medication that they have continued using that at the jail. or the other scenario is when he presented at the jail, he was completely psychotic. and in order to be able to deal with him at the jail, there's an assessment that's made by a doctor at the jail and they can prescribe medication to him immediately. so those two scenarios could be possible. >> lisa, isn't there a third scenario? this is will cain. isn't it possible as well that it's an effected behavior? isn't it possible that he is simply faking it? and i guess the question for you would be, would that help him down the line? would he have a reason to act that way? >> well, you know, look, it's difficult to fake mental illness over a long period of time. and we're all speculating because we don't know his history and much about him. so, yes, it's possible. but we don't know whether or not that's actually what's happening. and frankly, i think most of us hope that there's something here, that he has a true deep mental illness, because it doesn't make sense to us otherwise. and it's not unheard of when you have a client who has a mental illness that he was in a psychotic state. and a psychotic state can run a long duration. you can go in and out of psychosis. you can seem like you're in total control, have composure, seem calculated and cold and still be in a psychotic state. and when you end that state, sometimes you -- it's like an adrenalin rush. suddenly, you just go limp. you're out of it. you're disconnected. and who knows? this is all speculation. but that would not be inconsistent with his appearance yesterday. >> it's interesting to compare it to video that we now have in 2006, where you see him talking. he's at science camp. i want to play a little bit of that first before i ask you a question on the other side. >> hello, i'm james. i've been working with a temporary illusion that allows you to change the past. >> his goals are to become a researcher and make scientific discoveries. that's a good start. >> feel like they have a superpower and let them have more fun. so -- >> interesting. so as a public defender, let's say, hypothetically, you were representing him. what would your first step be once you did the mental evaluation? >> well, you know, these are public defenders that are trained. they are capital lawyers. they are the best of the best. and their job is to save his life. so they are assessing not only his competency but his history. who is this guy? where does thee come from? so there is a process, and these kind of cases that's called front ending, doing all the work you can on that front end to really assess who this person is. because at the end of the day, we know this is the guy that everybody loves to hate. and this is the most difficult job for lawyers. >> and it all hinges, right, on the mental capacity. because it seems to me like an open and shut case in terms of the tons of evidence, not only in his home, but where he was captured, and the zillions of witnesses who have been able to give a description that matches what he was wearing. so on the evidentiary front, it seems done and done. so the only thing they are looking at here is mental state? >> well, i don't know if that's true. i get that that's obvious to us on the outside. but cases are brought that it's proof beyond a reasonable doubt. i don't know if there's other available defenses. i don't know if this guy is working and has cohorts, if there are other co-conspirators. i don't know if they are looking at his computer, if he's being directed by other people. we really don't know, and it's too early to rush to judgment. the obvious is yes, this is a cold case and it's mental health. but i would suggest that we kind of, you know, wait to see here because we've been in this situation where we rush to judgment, and ultimately it turns out to be something else. so it's tough. >> lisa, it seems ashough -- and from your professional perspective, it would be very helpful to know. it seems as though anecdotally there are a lot of cases of undiagnosed mentally ill young 20-year-old, 20-something men, who act out in violent ways across the country. we have heard a number of stories in the last five years, 10 years. is this something that you're seeing in your profession? >> you know, we've seen it for a long time. the criminal justice system is made up of people who have a lot of mental health issues. and the cutbacks have made it more glaring, i guess, and we see it more often and it's being untreated. and i think there's a tendency to turn away. we want to blame it on everything else. look at gun control. look at the politics of things. but at the end of the day, we have a lot of young men and a lot of young people out there who have mental health problems. so, you know, there are no easy answers here. and it's going to be very complicated. but it breaks your heart, and it's a tragedy. >> gosh, it really is. lisa wayne is a former public defender and a criminal defense attorney. nice to see you. thanks for all the insight. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. christine has an update on the day's top stories for us. good morning. a lot of concern in israel and the u.s. this morning about chemical weapons coming into play in syria. fierce fighting between rebel forces and government troops continuing overnight in the city of alepo. and now a spokesman for syria's foreign ministry publicly threatening to deploy chemical weapons against any foreign nation that attempts to intervene. new this morning, charges will be filed against several key figures arrested in the uk phone hacking scandal. british prosecutors say that andy collison and rebekah brooks will be charged. colson was a former aide to cameron. astronaut sally ride being remembered this morning as a pioneer who opened doors of opportunity for other women. she died yesterday of pancreatic cancer. ride was the first woman in space, serving as a mission specialist on the shuttle challenger in 1983. after leaving nasa, she launched sally ride science, encouraging young people, especially girls, to reach for the stars. sally ride was 61. mitt romney preparing for a big speech on foreign policy to address the vfw in reno today. president obama got his turn yesterday, touting his record on the wars in iraq and afghanistan and the killing of osama bin laden. after romney lays out his foreign policy vision today, he travels to england, israel, and poland. looks like a lot of americans are already fed up with the presidential race. take a look at this brand-new knights of columbus survey. nearly 8 in 10 voters saying they are frustrated by the 2012 presidential race with nearly three out of four saying that the negative campaigning is getting worse than ever. 64% of those who responded believe that attack ads are harming the political process in america. although many would say the political process is harming the political process in america. >> and how many more months do we have? 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if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense. s different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company by continuing to help you do more and focus on the things that matter to you. welcome back to "starting point" this morning. the future of the penn state football program is uncertain. the ncaa handed down strict penalties for the jerry sandusky child sexual abuse chanl. they include $60 million in fines over five years. a ban from bowl games for four years. the loss of 10 football scholarships a year for four seasons. and the team has been stripped of all wins between 1998 and 2011. and that means that joe paterno is no longer the winningest coach in division i college football history. he is now number eight. dr. mark emmert is the president of the ncaa and joining us this morning to talk about this. $60 million in fines. where did you get that figure from? why $60 million? >> we were looking at the aggregate revenue that the football team produces in any one year. and over the past 10 full years, that's been the average one season gross revenue. not profits, but gross revenue of the football team. it is a by sports standards an enormous number. it's literally 100 times greater than any fine we have ever leveed. and we clearly wanted to do something significant to help all of the people that suffer under child sexual abuse. >> dr. emmert, did you in your opinion kill the penn state football program yesterday? >> no, no. but i think the message we did deliver is you need to not worry about for the next handful of years going to a bowl game. you need to get your culture right and your values right and getting the game in the right perspective. they are going to be playing football in the fall there. >> the argument would be that the smu program was given a death sentence. and they have never, ever recovered. and many are saying today with the scholarship limits imposed on penn states, the bowl games for four years you sit out, they may never come back from this 10 years plus. is that not really what happened yesterday? >> again, i don't think so. but that's going to be up to penn state. penn state will have toic make those determinations. we were trying to craft in sanctions that fit the enormity of the circumstance that demonstrated that we cannot tolerate behavior that's completely antagonistic to the values of intercollegiate athletics, and they'll have to deal with the consequences. the fact is the penalties could have been significantly worse. there was a lot of debate about the fact that they should have been. >> like what? >> whether or not we should have imposed the death -- so-called death penalty in addition to those penalties. >> can i ask the other side of will's question here, why didn't you kill this program? that's the way a lot of people are looking at this. and the history of the ncaa fines and the smu case and don't understand why it didn't go further. >> sure. first of all, no one had any illusions that anyone was going to be happy with these sanctions. no one should be. this is not a happy moment. it's a very disturbing moment. the intention was to put in place punitive impacts that everyone would say, wow, this is significant. at the same time, allowing penn state an opportunity to fix that culture that's helped create this problem. the problem with -- that the committee and i agreed with the so-called death penalty is it's too blunt an instrument. it has too much impact on people that had nothing to do with this whatsoever. >> how so? >> well, let's imagine you're running a mom and pop hot dog stand in state college, pennsylvania. you'll be out of business. you'll lose your business. say you're in the marching band. you went there to play the trumpet. all of a sudden you can't do that. let's say you're involved in anything that goes on around football personally in another fashion. we didn't want to say you can't be involved in football. we wanted to say football has to have the right perspective and the right values at penn state. >> doesn't that same rationale apply to the punishment you did choose? isn't there an argument that jerry sandusky is gone, joe paterno is gone, all the culpable parties are gone, so who we are punishing with the penn state penalty? >> well, trying to minimize the impact on students. as you're probably aware, student athletes that want to transfer can transfer and play ball somewhere else if they choose to. so this is about trying to get the institution to recognize that its values got away from it, that it was too focused on athletics and protecting that athletic program, and it lost control of that program. that's the focus here. >> you've heard from a lot of people. a lot of blowback, people who think you did the right thing, some people think you should have gone further. but you have also heard from a group of people that you didn't expect to hear from that you just told us about before you came on. the victims. tell us about that, tell the audience. >> i've been surprised and deeply moved by emails, by phone calls, that we received from individuals, who people who work in organizations that deal with child sexual abuse. people who have been victims themselves. not the victims in this particular case, but just across the country. and they have been very emotional, very thankful, very appreciative that someone said, this can't go on. they are thrilled with the magnitude of the fine that was put in place. we think this amount of money is more than maybe all of the money going into child sexual abuse in the country combined. so we are hopeful that some good can come out of this very, very bad situation. >> when i was talking to mike and mike this morning, you know, and we played a little clip of you talking about how the goal was to change the culture. maybe not even just the culture at penn state, but the culture of a very powerful program that drives a lot of revenue for a university. and they said not going to make a difference. they said, i have to tell you that it's just -- it will not change the culture by doing this. do you think it's impossible to change the cult your a move like this. what would you say to this? >> i understand their view. but as a former university president, i also know that my colleague presidents around the country are watching this circumstance, watching the outcome and the aftermath of this circumstance, and they are all asking themselves this morning, could this happen at my place? what is working and not working in my culture? we in america, all of us, i love sports, obviously. that's my business. but we can't let the love of sport overwhelm our values of decency and responsibility. and in this case, that occurred. so everyone's got to be asking themselves, do we have our values right or wrong today? >> mark emmert, the president of the ncaa. i bet you're having this exact conversation with absolutely everybody, because it's so fascinating to find out what went on behind the scenes in this decision. nice to have you, sir. >> good to be here. we have to take a short break. still ahead, our "tough call." the muppets saying no to chick-fil-a. we'll tell you why the makers behind the puppets are cutting ties with the fast food brand. we're back in a moment. male spirit present.trong it's the priceline negotiator. >>what? 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>> yeah. especially the shooting just being so close to home. >> public memorials. we know the president came out to meet with some of the victims' families, and some folks who are recuperating in the hospitals. what was most helpful to you and family members who lost people, people who are recovering in the hospital? what was the thing that was most helpful to your recovery in columbine? >> i think there were a number of things that were really helpful. after the aftermath, after our shooting, i think that the support that we received from our community, from around the world, just so many people reaching out to us. i think there was a real strong sense of unity that came after the shooting, that's been happening after this shooting. it really brought people together where little differences were put aside and people came together and were unified. i think it just puts -- when something like this happens and you feel it, i think it kind of puts things in perspective. you think about what's important. petty things kind of fall to the wayside. and so the unity, the support. the biggest thing that helped me get through was my faith. i had my family there to support me and get me through. and so these are some of the things that helped me get through the immediate aftermath. >> we've been trying not to say the name of the suspect as much as we possibly can in this case. one of the victims, jessica gau ghawi, her brother mentioned that and got the president to agree to that, and then anderson has picked up on that and we have been doing the same, because the thing is to focus on the victims, and not the killer. and i agree with that. do you wish that had happened in the aftermath of the columbine shootings? >> i absolutely agree with that. i think that is a really good philosophy. i think that what you place your attention on you give power to. i think that we're going to learn from the shooter that there's no good reason that he did this. and i think to focus on him, we're not going to find answers. i think the best thing that we can do is focus on the beautiful things about the victims that were lost. i think that one of the things that we saw with rachel's challenge, which is my family's program, that reaches a lot of schools, is that we focused on rachel's story. she was a very kind, compassionate person who kind of reached out to people who were on the outside, on the fringes. and she gave a challenge for others to step out and show kindness and compassion in an essay she wrote before she died. and so we know that by focusing on her story, we've actually prevented school shootings from happening, prevented suicides. and so i think that with this shooting here at this aurora theater that they should focus on the beautiful things about the victims. don't give the shooter the air time. don't -- you know, i know over a decade after the shooting at columbine, we still don't have answers as to really good reasons as to why the shooters at columbine did what they did. so i'm in total support of focusing on the positive. i wish, in fact, every tragedy would pick up on that philosophy, because i think we would do a lot more good. >> i think you're probably right about that. craig scott. he is rachel's challenge speaker and film maker. his sister, rachel scott, was killed this columbine. thank you for talking with us, craig. nice to see you again. we appreciate it. we've got to take a short break. still ahead this morning, he has a new move we a french twist generating early oscar buzz. we'll talk to him about "the intouchables." 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"the artist," "the king's speech," best picture oscars the last two years. now he is hoping for another big hit with the movie "the intouchables." it's about an unlikely friendship. and by the way, that's a comedy. oh, and by the way, it's in french. listen. ♪ >> this movie looks so good. and that man is so handsome. the movie has already broken records in its native france. harvey weinstein is joining us. nice to have you. >> nice to see you. >> do you think this is going to be a blockbuster? any expectation of that? >> right now, in only 90 theaters, we have broken the record for this year's biggest foreign language film, which is the academy award winner "the separation." we are going after "dragon tattoo" next and going one after another. i'm actually going to go to france and ask all the people in france who saw the movie to call somebody in america so we can start breaking these records. because i think in this time, you know, to see a movie that's a true story, that's transformational, that's so much fun, and you watch the relationship between these two unlikely people. you know, these are the people you would never, ever imagine to have a friendship. and they transform each other. they jump out of airplanes. they race cars. they chase girls. i mean, if i ever needed a caretaker, this is the prescription for health. >> he has gone on to become a famous actor. you can't have him anymore. >> he is very famous. >> it seems like it's the summer of the big blockbuster. if you name the movies that are making big bucks, it's the bold big name movies. >> but this movie around the world, it is doing blockbuster business. so everywhere it goes, it starts slow. and then people discover it. and because it's not a blockbuster, but it's a blockbuster in spirit. anybody who's seen this movie will tell you, it's so much fun, and it's transformational. >> and it's a happy movie, right? >> really happy movie. >> and you feel good. there's so much bad stuff going on in the world. you come away and it makes you feel good. >> and what's amazing the two actors in the movie, jump out of an airplane. and they saved it for the last day because the two guys in real life, this guy was, you know, crippled, and the other guy had never jumped out of an airplane. and they went over the swiss alps and threw themselves out of an airplane. the actors who were going to let the stuntmen do it, but it was the real guys. the look of terror is real. >> i would think hollywood would never be interested in something like this. how did you get it off the ground? >> because he is harvey weinstein. >> i think people know that i have done movies like "life is beautiful" and we've had great success, you know, with foreign language movies and different kind of movies. and as i said last year we won the oscar for "the artist" with no dialogue. >> when you look at other people's assessment of you, i think meryl streep called you god. >> she was kidding. >> and alec baldwin called you something unprintable that i cannot say on tv. what do you think is the secret to reading a script and saying, this has no dialogue at all, but i think it's going to be a winner? >> you could tell with request the artist" that it was amazing. and the same with this one. you read this story, and you realize that it's true, and you say, this is unbelievable. and so true. and so funny. and these two directors direct comedies in france that are wildly successful. this is a terrific movie. and i wouldn't go out and promote it myself. as for alec baldwin, let's give you the other side. meryl called me god. and the minute she called me god, i had to do an interview on another network at 4:00 in the morning. madonna called me the punisher. she called me god. and the french guys, when they won for "the artist," call me la boss. the french guys don't show up at 4:00 in the morning. they are supposed to be there. they are partying, dancing on tables. and i call them and go, come on, guys. we promised this early morning show we would all stay up after we won the award and be there. they go, we're french. we don't care. so, you know, so what? so it's me and the dog. me and uggy. so here is god, the punisher, and the boss. and uggy decides to have a bowel movement during my interview. and i realize quickly that my 24 hours of fame is up. as i'm doing this interview. as for alec baldwin, i was busy. i couldn't do an interview in cannes. he wanted me to do an interview for the movie he is making, and i think he got angry with me. >> clearly he did. >> but, you know, one thing that i did, i refused to talk to him or do anything until he apologized. so he came over and gave me a written apology at a fundraiser, at a charity event he was doing. he is a good guy. he loses his temper all the time. but trust me, i know what losing my temper is like. >> really? we've heard about that a little. >> i'm good at that too. >> welllet's talk about fundrai. and it's not cheap. we cobbled together $8. it's $35,000 a plate. how much money are you expecting to fund raise for obama? >> $2 million. and it's just in the early stages. and it's funny. you watch some of the people, you know, for the republicans, for mitt romney, write checks for, you know, one of these -- the koch brothers that i think will raise $400 million. we are so come from behind compared to these incredibly wealthy people who are doing it. but if you really -- >> says the incredibly wealthy -- >> no, no. no. there's no democrat in the koch league of wealth. but i think the -- >> i think you just offended george sorros. >> you know what? you're right. >> and talking about the koch brothers, not coca-cola. >> and i think the situation is it's an investment. for the people who can afford it, it's an investment in america. we don't want to go back to the economy that the president inherited, you know, in '08. the president came into office and inherited that economy. he did not make that economy. and i think if the other guys get into office, they are going to do the same old terrible politics, deregulate the banks. the banks will be -- you know, it's not that the banks institutionally are greedy. it's that there is always one bad guy or two bad apples. and if there aren't any rules, these guys will take advantage and put the country in worse shape than it is. >> we are out of time. but the movie is called "the intouchables." it looks really terrific. thank you for talking to us about it. >> thank you. now you can apply sunblock to your kids' wet skin. neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. she's an hiv positive mother turned advocate. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta introduces us to patricia knolls this week's human factor. >> i'm going to ask you first to take three deep breaths. >> reporter: richard dickens is a social worker who works exclusively with cancer patients. here he uses meditation to help patients cope. >> it really is just calming the body and quieting the mind. >> dickens knows all too well the emotional struggle of being sick. as he was looking forward to graduate school to become a social worker, he got devastating news. >> i got the invitation to columbia university, my number one choice on a monday, and a cancer diagnosis the next day. >> reporter: at 37, he was diagnosed with advanced non-hodgkins lymphoma. he underwent six months of aggressive chemo and a bone marrow trance plant. but he didn't give up his dream of helping others. >> without ever anticipating i would get cancer, i wanted to work with cancer and aids patients. >> reporter: during his illness, he stumbled across cancer care, an organization that helps people through the financial and emotional maze that comes with cancer. once in remission, he was able to start grad school at columbia. >> well, we do have a very small grant. >> reporter: after graduating, he began working for cancer care and started to run the very support group he previously had participated in as a patient. today, he's cancer care's mind body project coordinator. >> my life is definitely very rich, very rewarding, and i feel i'm where i'm supposed to be. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. a short break. and "end point" is up next.

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