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drugs. mike green berg and mike golic, thanks for being with me. >> thank you. >> why do you think the jury did not convict him? why not? >> ultimately i think the only real witness that mattered in all of this was brian mcnamee and in and as far as unimpressive witnesses he may go to the top. this is something mike golic could have torn apart on the witness stand. >> it worked out well for roger clemens that way. >> his reputation is permanently damaged, don't you think? >> there's no doubt about it. it is the court of public opinion, i don't think is going to change much on him as far as their thoughts of him using performance enhancing drugs and the ultimate test will be the hall of fame. the writers have kind of made the decision if you're touched with peds, you're not getting into the hall of fame. i completely disagree with that train of thought. if you have numbers to be in the hall of fame, you should be in the hall of fame. if you want another way to talk about that that's fine but the writers have seemed to make their decision about that. >> he's one of baseball's greats as you know. you do you think he don't gets in this feb or forever? >> i don't think he ever gets in. mark maguire, clearly have numbers could get in on the hall of fame. they are not on clemens level he and barry bonds are at the top of that level. neither has gotten even close. i don't think roger clemens or barry bonds will ever get into the hall of fame and zero chance they'll get in on first try. >> i think in time they may. some of the greatest of the greats will in time get in but in the near future, i don't think there's any shot at all and i thnk that's wrong. mike greenberg and mike golic host of the most popular show on tv in the morning next to mine. >> thanks, soledad. >> coming up, we'll speak to famed texas attorney, rusty hardin, roger clemens' lawyer. zoraida sambolin has a look at the top stories. president obama will go face to face with china's president hu jintao. yesterday the president met with russia's vladimir putin on syria, the g-20 meeting wraps up today. here's a meeting not to miss, attorney general, eric holder, talking late this morning with darrel issa who is threatening to hold him in contempt of congress. from the botched anti-gun running operation and in exchange he wants i is sa to postpone the contempt vote. jail house recordings prove that george zimmerman and his wife knew they weren't broke. in the six calls they say he and his wife shellie spoke in code. he gave her instructions on how to change pass words and security questions and move money around. prosecutors say he talked about peter pan, which they say was code for paypal. prosecutors also say the zimmermans refer to 10 and 20, instead of saying 10,000 or $20,000. >> take $10 out today, another $10 and less than $10 and put it in her box there. >> all 151 jailhouse recordings were going to be released but that was cut down to six after zimmerman's defense complained. in the recordings, there was no direct mention of trayvon martin or zimmerman's charges. more homes reduced to ash because of that stubborn high park fire. the fire has been burning west of fort collins, colorado for ten days now. fire officials confirming eight more homes were lost, bringing the total to 190 homes destroyed. crews had to fight the fire in record heat yesterday though a calmer wind gave them a repreefr preef there. the fire is home 50% contained. wildfires are burning throughout the western united states and california and nevada and utah have all reported wild fires. fires are also burning in wyoming and in nebraska. tonight in south beach, lebron james can take a giant step towards his first nba championship. lebron's miami heat take on the oklahoma city thunder. in the pivotal fourth game of the nba finals. the heat lead four games to one, hoping to gain a commanding lead. >> miss soledad, back to you. >> come on, miami heat. appreciate it, z. turning to our top story, roger clemens now acquitted of perjury charges but not completely in the clear. next week a civil suit will begin in a brooklynn courtroom, mcnamee is suing the rocket for defamation, in 2008 clemens sued mcnamee and that suit was tossed out. rusty hardin is roger clemens' attorney. it was an emotional day to watch roger clemens come out with his family and sons around him. obviously something going on for many years now. how is he feeling today? >> he's feeling great today. went home last night with his family. we had a celebratory dinner and gathered up his wife and four children and three sisters and friends and headed home. he's back in houston now. >> how damaged do you think his career and his life has been? >> well, his life has been tremendously damaged but probably the most upbeat person. he an amazing ability to keep moving forward, four and a half years heard nothing but bad things about him. i heard mike and mike's comments a few moments ago and i hope they are wrong. i understand why they are saying what they are, they may be right. people don't seem to want to consider the fact when you're found not guilty, it doesn't always mean it was just a technical thing. here this jury, we've talked to several of them, not all of them yet, firmly convinced he didn't do. they didn't find him not guilty of technicality or lawyers, they are convinced he did not use performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. i hope people look to that ultimately when they assess them. this guy had 13 years of hall of fame career before anybody ever suggested anything. so you look at a 24-year career, there's a three-year period where a guy claimed he did stuff that a jury totally rejected, didn't believe anything of the allegations against him. >> he has a new civil trial, are you going to be representing him in this trial? >> we will. keep in mind, this is a silly thing. this guy is suing roger claiming his reputation was harmed by roger denying the guy gave him dope. he's complaining -- wants to say he was a dope dealer and roger said he wasn't. i don't think it has much future. >> he called him a liar, said he had a mental disorder. what do you think the chance is he'll be able to be victorious in this and will that be a step forward in clearing his name and reputation which could have an impact eventually on hall of fame? >> you know, the hall of fame thing, that's always been other's people's concern. roger has made clear that wouldn't have driven him. he wanted to be considered the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball. if you look at the evidence, it was unbelievable the people that came forward to talk about what kind of guy and pitcher he was. if he's judged in history by people in baseball to have been a great pitcher, that's good enough for him. if the writers decide to put him in the hall of fame, that's fine. if they don't, that's their call. this guy is one of the best people who happen to be also a great pitcher that i've ever known. >> rusty hardin is roger clemens' attorney. thanks for talking to me. >> take care. >> ahead, iran has been repeatedly sanctioned by the united nations. why would the u.n. secretary general want iran included in talks to try to end the conflict in syria? 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co-found erp of reddit.com has a review at 8:00 on starting point. all eyes will be on the federal reserve as it kicks off its big meeting today. investors are hoping the fed will announce another round of economic stimulus and that's already giving markets a slight boost today. and jp morgan chase jamie dimon is back on capitol hill facing a second round of questioning about his bank's multibillion dollar trading loss. he'll hear from the regulators about what he may have done in terms of risk trading before billions were lost. soledad, back to you. thank you very much, appreciate that. the united nations is pressing the u.s. to accept iran into the talks about the violence in sear yu. ban ki-moon believes iran should be part of the broad discussion about the country and fate of the president bashar al assad, iran is a country that has been sanctioned by the united nations. his comments came after president obama and russian president putin came down in tense fashion talking about the syrian conflict. russia has blocked the u.n. security council resolutions against assad's regime. two leaders insist progress was made during the talk and they agreed to work with all quote, interested parties. that brings us to john negroponte, the former ambassador to iraq and former director of national intelligence. thanks for being with us. do you think in fact it's a good idea this pressing by the u.n. to accept iran as sort of a critical partner in the conversations about syria? >> i would wonder about that. i'm not sure what they could bring to a -- i would have to ask the secretary general what he thinks iran could really do to bring about a solution. they are syria's closest ally, clearly supportive of bash ar al assad. unless they had a great change of heart, i'm not sure i know what benefit their participation would bring. >> there's a cargo ship trying to get into syria, russian cargo ship. it had choppers and munitions on it and stopped off the coast of scotland and the insurance had been canceled, the insurance was carried by a british company. do you think this is at this point the best strategy or maybe the only strategy in trying to thwart that weaponry getting into syria? >> i think there's a whole number of different ways but it isn't easy. if a friend of syria, like russia, wants to get weapons into that country, i think they are likely to find a way to do it. we have to keep working on their cooperation. but meanwhile, that's just another reason why the opposition will continue its resistance and seems to be growing stronger every day. i think they are going to continue to do that. >> the opposition seems to be growing stronger at the same time the government doesn't seem to be backing down with more and more i guess and stronger support from russia. you look at the president having this meeting with the russian president and the -- after their long statement, the final line in the statement is we are united in the belief that the syrian people should have the opportunity to independently and democratically choose their own future. it doesn't say a whole heck of a lot, does it? >> the difficulty with that statement and with mr. annan's plan as good as they might be, they don't go far enough in terms of laying out a road map for political change in syria. what that country needs is political change. no one yet has laid out a path towards achieving that change. where do you start and where do you end up? >> why not? is it too complicated that russia is thwarting everybody at every turn, including china? >> there's a couple of things. the positions have to be sharpened up so they are more precise and lead towards a more definitive outcome. secondly, there has to be greater collaboration at the highest international level between ourselves and russians and chinese, at least the russians shouldn't stand in the way of political change in sy a syria. at the moment what they are doing is buying time for the assad regime. and i think that's the real problem. they are sorting flying cover for assad and this is what's causing -- what's so problematic for us and what is so -- is so harmful to finding an ultimate solution to the problem there. >> because syria buys russian weapons and syria is an ally in the middle east. if they lose that ally, they lose support in the middle east. john mccain was talking at the american enterprise institute. let me play that for you. >> when it comes to the administration's policy towards syria, to say they are leading from behind is too generous. that suggests they are leading. they are just behind. >> do you think that's true, that some of the blame for failing to lead here is squarely goes to the administration? >> well i think we're certainly not out in front. i wouldn't suggest that we have to be in the forefront of providing lethal assistance to the opposition, but i do think we have to be more proactive in trying to shape a longer term solution. if we're frustrated at the united nations we need to work with a group of interested countries, some of the neighbors of syria, turkey, arab group of countries to try to shape some better political outcome for syria. but i do think it's time for more proactive diplomacy, not only with russia, but with friends and allies in the middle east region itself. >> john negnegroponte, thanks f joining us. michael jackson's former doctor, conrad murray, is now complaining about the conditions in his jail cell. he says what's happening there is literally killing him. we'll tell you what's going on. normally big brands love the exposure in a movie. in this scene in the hangover 2 led to a lawsuit. it's our get real and that means we have to bring in our starting point team. we have margaret hoover and mark lamont hill and this is margaret's play dz list, ring ring to start your morning. we're back after the break. there are a lot of warning lights and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class. the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the future forward. ♪ i'm zoraida sambolin. southern baptists kicking off their convention with a ground-breaking change to the leadership. the group is expected to elect its first black president in its entire 167-year history. tough for me to say that, right, new orleans pastor fred luter jr. is running unopposed. leaders hope he will attract more members of color and distance the church from its racist past. a 6-year-old girl is being held by immigration officials found inside a van with 15 other people. group taken into custody by joe arpaio's office after a vehicle was stopped last friday. arpaio known for his tough stance on illegal immigration, says she appears to be from el salvador and no one in the group knows her. the doctor convicted am michael jackson's death is having a rough go of it behind bars. conrad murray feels like a prisoner of war. he insists his moldy, fly infested 5 x 7 cell is making him sick and fears he may not make it out alive. he still has 16 months left on his sentence for involuntary manslaughter. soledad, back to you. >> our team this morning, margaret hoover, an author of american individualism, mark lamont hill, host of our world end prize and will cain. thanks. >> all right. >> our get real this morning involves the luxury label louis vuitton. might be feeling a legal hangover "the hangover part 2", fine film, a knockoff bag made by a company called diofi was used in a 25-second scene, the real louis vuitton was not having it. take a look at the scene. >> careful that's a louis -- that is a louis vuitton. >> the fashion house was claiming that the scene harmed the brand's identity and that customers would be confused. so they sued warner brothers last year for unspecified damages, although apparently it was millions of dollars and also wanted an injunction to stop distribution of the movie and edit the scene out. the judge though, dismissed the case and said the suit doesn't hold up against first amendment rights and also defended the use of the bag as funny. i should mention warner brothers is a corporate cousin because we're all owned by time warner. >> this isn't the only accusation of knockoff origin originality regarding hangover 2. do you remember ed helms character got a mike tyson tattoo and the case was settled quietly. >> they also altered the dvd release so you didn't see it in the same way sfwl which makes you think -- >> hangover 2 ought to be sued by hangover 1 for knocking it off completely. >> that's what i thought you were going actually. >> the fake louis vuitton also in hangover 1? >> no. >> i think you can't continue to prop gate make images and you have respect property rights. they have designed this bag and don't want it to be knocked off. >> they are making a joke about a fake bag. >> they should be ued because the movie was terrible. honestly, the movie sucked. >> there are places you can walk into back rooms and find knockoff bags. >> i have a story about that. >> the one brand they don't have, louis vuitton, because they will come after you. >> knock offbags -- wife is watching so -- >> i have a little story about that in the commercial break that i'll share. still ahead on "starting point", the result is drastic weight loss but a new study says it could have more drastic side effects. a vandal spray painting a priceless art of work. why? prds obama sits down with china's leader today talking about the economy. we're talking to one of the president's former economic advisers about that. we're back in a moment. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven's home security gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! how does this thing work? 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[ female announcer ] only flood insurance covers floods. visit floodsmart.gov/risk to learn your risk. welcome back, lots going on this morning, including last day of the g-20 summit. in a few minutes i'll be talking to matthew goodman, president obama's former economic adviser on summits about today's talks can china. let's get right to zoraida. >> good morning, the government spending millions and still against roger clemens. the jury found him not guilty. the rocket's first year of eligibility fort baseball hall of fame is next year. his lawyer, famous text attorney rusty hardin told us he should be a lock. >> this guy, at 13 years of a hall of fame career before anything even suggested anything. you look at the 24-year career, there's a three-year period where a guy claimed he did stuff that a jury totally rejected, told us they didn't believe anything of the allegations against him. >> this is the second time clemens faced trial. the first one ended in a mistrial. a picasso vandal caught in the act. this cell phone video taken at the houston art mau see up is making rounds on the web. you see a man walk up to a 1929 picasso and spray paint the word conquista which is spanish for conquer. the vandal reportedly told the man, he's an up and coming artist who did it to honor picasso's work. in can be a life saving procedures but it can also have an unintended side effect, alcoholism. patients faced a higher risk of alcohol dependency in the second year after the operation. for some, the increased risk is as high as 50%. the reason? with the stomach size reduced, the body absorbs alcohol more rapidly and as a result can be become more addictive. a new study appears to confirm what many of us know that we are more stressed out than ever. researchers found a 10 to 30% jump in self-reported stress levels. that was between 1983 and 2009. so who's the most stressed? young women. people with lower incomes and less education. men are more susceptible to financial stress. there may be a silver lining. the study says as you age, your stress levels go down, soledad. >> that's good news. the good news is your stress level is going down. the bad news is you're closer to death because you're getting old. thank you. the g-20 summit this afternoon. president obama will meet with hu jintao, they are expected to talk about iran's nuclear program and the most pressing issue, the economic crisis. the president has been pressing european leaders to take action and create more stability. so far the 17 eurozone nations seem unwilling or unable to do enough to stop the crisis from spreading. let's get right to matthew goodman, a former adviser on economic summits and political economist for the center for strategic and international studies. it's nice to see you. thanks for being with us. tell me how tough this conversation will be when you think about how much debt china holds for the u.s., the market slowdown that's happening in china and obviously will affect the united states and is affecting the united states? how ugly could this conversation be? >> well, i think both president obama and president hu share a concern about global growth in each of our countries there are challenges in that regard. the biggest risk is right now the eurozone crisis and that will be the overwhelming topic of conversation between them. >> when we talked to ken rogoff yesterday, here's what he said sort of for the long haul. let's play that. >> they haven't really figured out how to solve the deeper problems in the euro where me share a checking account but they are not married and haven't figured out how to allocate the losses from the problems they have across the banking sector in europe. >> he describes it in a very calm way but not figuring it out is sort of the $64,000 problem. if they cannot figure it out, that could send everything off a cliff. >> that's right. i think the long term challenges remain and it is not clear yet whether the europeans have the political desire to really move forward towards greater union, which seems to be the inetstibl path to take. to try to break up the unions, the short term consequences could be disaster. it's a difficult political choice because each member will have to give up sovereignty. >> margaret hoover here. sure the greek crisis is impending and euro is in question. to what extent is there a reflection of the united states, been 300 days since we lost our aa rating, what about our own impending fiscal cliff and are the europeans looking at the united states saying you have your own problems just around the corner? >> i'm sure the u.s. situation will be a topic of conversation as well. we a still the world's largest economy and what happens here really does affect everyone else as well. i think everyone acknowledges in the short term, the real risks are in europe and there's going to be a shared desire to talk about what the europeans are doing to fix that problem. no doubt president obama will be asked to explain how we're going to get through what you as you say is called the fiscal cliff later this year. and so i think it will be a conversation about all of that but with a particular focus on the euro issues. >> could you give us a little insight on what that may look like. we've heard talk about not just cutting but creating spending. how do you do that in the current market condition? >> here in the united states? >> here in the united states, yeah. >> i think that's the challenge. there clearly is a need for greater growth. the obama administration has been arguing that we need to ensure that growth is sustained through possibly a new stimulus, but through actions by the federal reserve. but at the same time, in the medium term, we clearly have to deal with our fiscal problems and get our budget deficits and debt down and getting that balance right is very challenging. >> matthew goodman, a former obama white house adviser on those economic summits. thanks for your insight we appreciate it. >> i want to see if with can frame this, we can't have a joint bank account without being married talking about germany and greece and spain and italy and france. i want to offer you this. i'm not sure that's even a solution. short term or long term. those are relative terms, long term and short. that requires us to accept a idealistic version of the world in which the germans are concerned about the greek's lifestyle and how they work. and the greeks in turn expect the germans to sub siddize, i'm not sure you can just say, let's have a political union. >> i think the marriage metaphor works. you have to decide at this juncture, do we commit like really commit because the challenges, if you don't commit to the marriage, which is deciding, i care about the spani spanish, care about the greeks, care about the italians. if you don't do that, you have political problems at home -- >> to extend that metaphor, this is a couple that has shown no desire to get along, why should they get married. >> they have to stay married at this moment. >> were you a ney sayer to the european union? >> i was young. the eu -- >> back when he was 7, yes. >> the iu is ill fated and always will be. >> still ahead, the fastest growing race in the united states is not latinos anymore. we'll tell you what group it is and what it could mean demographically. chaz bono will talk about his transition to the person he always felt he was. he'll join us here in the studio. we're back in a moment. uhuh yep uch let's find you a room. at hotels.com, you'll always find the perfect hotel. because we only do hotels. wow. i like that. nice no. laugh... awe uch ooh, yeah hmm nice huh book it! oh boy call me... this summer, we're finding you the perfect place - plus giving you up to $100 at hotels.com ♪ [music plays] ♪ [music plays] ♪ we haven't had the roots off in a while. that's off marc lamont hill's play dz list. >> and they are from philly. he wants to add that. cnn.com/starting point and you can follow me on twitter at soledad underscore o'brien. asian americans the fastest growing race in the united states according to the pugh research center. asians overtook hispanics when it comes to the percentage of people i am greating to the country. they also found asian-americans are the highest earners and best educated citizens this this country. the numbers were 430,000 asian immigrants came to the united states in 2010, making up 36% of all immigrants to this country. >> they are also the most satisfied of any americans, 82% of satisfied with the american culture, american politics, the country. as opposed to any other -- >> i'm sure thats correlated to the make more money. >> they are growing higher in number, like in other words, the majority were asian american versus latino. this is of course counting legal immigrants, we have high education, high school jobs needed we have asians flowing in and the illegal immigrant population has declined. >> many from mexico are going back over the border, that's one thing. i believe this study looks at both. 13 to 15% were undocumented over the past decade. >> only more fascinating they are outpacing latino. >> 45% were hispanic immigrants, we have fewer undocumented people, then those numbers would make sense. >> right now when we say immigrants people think latino and illegal and all of these negative stereo types, maybe the immigration conversation changes and immigration policy changes. >> it would be nice to have the face of immigration not necessarily be latino. every conversation is a latino talking about immigration. wouldn't it be nice to have somebody irish be the face -- my dad is australian he inmigrated to the country. >> we use the word immigrant as a proxy for another word. i would add to that asian-american is sloppiness. there are tons of subimmigrant groups naming from india to japan. >> let's not name anybody anything. >> you threw me there. >> asian is a particularly dangerous one. >> it's a broad swath. >> and latino too, you shouldn't name anybody anything but we still do. >> the united states is a story that woven out of the fabric of many countries and this continues to be the case, positive infusion of immigrants into the u.s. societies. >> i like to hear somebody pro immigration, pro immigrant. >> i'm always proimmigration. >> that's why i like you. >> they are proelectric fence across the border, come on. >> only took three minutes to get into politics. three minutes. >> trying to get warm and fuzz zi in a moment when electronic fences -- >> ahead, a reporter roughed up. wait until you hear about the story he was covering. connecting millions of teachers and lesson plans online. details of a new social network that could help any child in any school in any neighborhood. you're watching "starting point." we've got to take a short break. welcome back to "starting point." the autopsy for rodney king is now complete. but results won't be released until a toxicology test is done. that is not expected to happen for another six to eight weeks. meantime police say king's next door neighbor told them she heard a man sobbing in king's backyard and then heard a splash. king was found dead in his swimming pool minutes later. chicago is fast becoming one of the deadliest cities in america, even more dangerous than afghanistan. 144 americans have been killed in afghanistan so far in 2012. compare that to a staggering 228 chicago residents who have been slain this year. that's a 35% increase over last year and quadruple the homicide rate of new york. a maine man has been arrested after he choked a reporter and it was all caught on camera. the reporter was working on a story about a racially inflammatory sign about president obama. he became the subject of his own story when the owner, david houston, grabbed him by the neck. >> hey! >> hey! >> get out of my face! >> houston was later arrested and charged with assault. the sign called the president the n word and urged people to join the ku klux klan and has reportedly been taken down and it has been replaced. so many bad things on that sign. should be down. in this economy, many teachers feel like they have to do more with less. and a team of teachers is teaming up to announce a program called share my lesson. it's an online network that lets teachers swap ideas and other ideas. it will have an official launch at the convention next month. once it goes live, it's expected more than 100,000 teachers will register. randy winegarten is the president of the american federation of teachers. randy, why don't you start with me and explain why you think this is so critical for teachers and how it came about. >> so first off, thank you for having us on today, soledad. so any teacher will tell you that we are constantly waking up in the middle of the night trying to figure out how to freshen up our lesson plans, what we're going to teach the next day, how we're going to help a struggling student. we're always looking for ideas. and so what we've tried to do here is to have an online resource bank where teachers can share with each other. they can share lessons and videos with each other, best practices with each other, and we never had the advantage or the opportunity to create this technology and to, you know, you see my friend over here, louise rogers, they have. they have done this. and so we've teamed up to try to make this an american product for american teachers to ensure they can share with each other online resources. and finally, to make sure that they can actually be prepared for the common cord this new academic standard for the 21st century, which with all the budget cuts people are not getting the resources they need to prepare for this. >> why the $10 million price tag? where does that come into play? explain that to me. >> well, what we are launching is a really complicated and complex technology. but it does a really simple job. so essentially, it's a big digital open and free filing cabinet, where all the teachers of the u.s. can share their own resources and have access to everybody else's resources. and that means it has to work incredibly well. it has to be very easy to navigate. and you have to know it's there. and the money that we are putting in is really about driving both the technology and in showing that the content is absolutely what the teachers need every single day to make their lessons the best they possibly can be. >> you know, what -- >> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> so what's happening is that what tsl has figured out is how to make this big digital filing cabinet easy to use, accessible, and ultimately have teachers at the center of this because there will be peer reviewing content, and they will be hopefully trusting it enough so they will be sharing with each other. the global site has teachers from 197 countries on it. there are 2 million teachers on the global site. we want to make sure this is the go-to platform for teachers in america. they deserve much more than this, but we want to make sure they have a place where they can share with each other. >> you know, randy, every major study in education shows that what affects education is less about curriculum and more about ped goingy, more about actually teaching. do you worry a resource like this might overstate curriculum and not focus on what we really need, which is more effective teaching techniques? >> actually, we need both. because if you are a teacher who wants to as most are who really wants to affect our children, we need to actually perfect our lessons. we are like musicians, where we need to actually practice, practice, practice, in a way where we get instruction. over and over, teachers are basically told just to do it. they are thrown lessons or curriculum and they say just do it. so this is both. >> i think this is also about teachers teaching each other to be very, very good at what they do, and they only get that by interacting with each other. on the site, they are placing their lesson plans up there but also saying this is the very best way to use it, this is how you get the best result. and hundreds of other thousands of teachers have commented and said i have used it this way, it works that way. so teachers are learning from themselves. so it is about teaching. >> louise and randy, thank you for giving us a little walk-through of what it's about. it's called share my lesson. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> you bet. we have to take a short break. ditching the dream. florida senator marco rubio is shelving his plan to introduce an alternative to the dream act. we'll talk to wyoming's john brasso this morning. and did you see this, the new shackle sneaker? >> yeah. >> it's our tough call segment this morning. and it's starring in that segment. and this is will's play list. 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microsoft is getting into the tablet business, throwing in a kick stand and a keyboard. >> kick stand. ok. >> the founder of readit.com will give us a first review. and a sneaker with ankle shackles. kind of reminds you of slavery, doesn't it? who thought this was a good idea? we'll discuss it. it's june 19, a tuesday. and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ look into the sky ♪ looking for a sign of life ♪ looking for something to help me find it right ♪ ♪ >> that's margaret's play list. that's the foo fighters, "learning to fly." >> a tongue twister. >> not really. i just can't get it. but thank you for that. >> i was trying to be nice. >> i just look for alit tiff songs so you can -- >> i appreciate that, margaret. margaret, of course, is the author of "american individualism." mark lamont hill is with us as well, a professor from columbia university, also the host of "our world." moderator. >> there you go. >> perfect. will cain is with us as well. nice to have everybody with us. our "starting point" this morning is senator marco rubio dropping his efforts to draft a republican alternative to the dream act. the decision just days after president obama announced a similar plan on friday. under the new policy, the obama administration will not deport most young people that have been brought illegally into the u.s. by their parents. in an interview, rubio said he and other republicans were not consulted about that plan, and criticized the move as an election year pander to latino voters. here's what he said on fox news last night. >> very significant issue that needs to be solved in a long-term way that's measured, reasonable, and balanced, and decided by edict but by fiat basically to solve in the short-term, which happens to coincide with the november election. >> marco rubio clearly makes it seem as if it's very political and very similar to what he was going to propose anyway. would you agree with him? are you disappointed and angry? >> well, i agree with marco rubio. the president said that in his first years in office, this would be one of his highest priorities to deal with the issue of illegal immigration in this country. the president failed to do that, pushing through a very unpopular health care law. pushed his cap and trade energy plan. but the president ignored this just five months before an election. and marco rubio was working in a bipartisan way, in a bipartisan way, republicans and democrats alike, to look for a long-term solution to one of the issues of illegal immigration. the president by doing what he did is basically i think delaying finding any kind of long-term solution and has actually made the problem worse. >> explain that to me. why the delay? because marco rubio never had an actual proposal. how does that delay? >> well, rubio is working with democrats and republicans alike for an issue that is a signature issue for him. and yet the president by doing what he has done, by presidential edict, basically, deciding that the law of the land doesn't matter. that he as president chooses as one person to just have the law of the land not be enforced. it's something that i think is -- is wrong for the country. it is not a way for a government to work. and excludes the american people and the decision making. and the american people are involved in making the laws of this land. is not democracy electing people and going from there? >> it's certainly not the first presidential order. will? >> let's hone in on senator barrass o's criticism. it seems to be about the process by which the president pushed this through the office. on the merits of the issue, on the merits of the policy the president seems willing to pursue, it seems to be largely similar to marco rubio's proposals. do you support the merit of what the president is proposing? >> i'm not talking about yes or no on the merit. i'm talking about the fact that we have laws on the book, and the president side deciding as one person not to enforce the laws of the land. >> i hear you on that. but i think will's question is, we gather that. but do you support the merits or not? >> i think we ought to enforce the laws of the land. illegal immigration continues to be a major problem in the united states. we have people waiting to come here legally. and we should not be rewarding people who have come here illegally. and i'll continue to fight for that position. i support what marco rubio is working on in the sense that, you're right, we have not seen the final efforts. but he has been working in a bipartisan way with people to look for a permanent solution to one of the issues of illegal immigration, something that could pass the house and the senate in a bipartisan way and then would be the law of the land. >> so you would support something if it were permanent, and that's what you have an issue with, because it sounds -- >> and pushed through with the democratic process it sounds like. >> let me ask you this. in 2007 when you were pitching a bill called the barrasso no license for illegals bill, you said, frankly, this is just a small bite of the growing immigration national security problem. it makes sense to fix those thanks that can be done right now. meaning tackle the things in front of you. it sounds a little bit in some ways similar to what's happening here. it's not? >> well, that had to do with drivers licenses for people who were in the country illegally. i oppose giving drivers licenses to people who are in the country illegally. it is a form of identification. it is often viewed as an issue related to citizenship. i am opposed to that and will continue to oppose any efforts to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses. and i raise this at the time when the then governor of new york was promoting a piece of legislation -- it was elliott spitzer at the time, was supporting legislation to give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. i do not think that should be done. and i think ultimately that was pulled back in new york state. >> but your point was -- forgive me for interrupting. but my point was instead of tackling the issue of illegal immigration, let's work on this small thing, this is just a small bite of the growing problem. it makes sense to fix those things that can be done right now. er go, we'll focus on drivers licences because this is a little piece we can handle right now. it sounds like the young people, the dream act kids people are talking about, would be that same little thing that you could do right now, which is what the had the hpresident has done. is that right? >> well, the president has chosen not to enforce the law of the land. what marco rubio was doing was working on focusing on an area of concern which is not the entire issue of illegal immigration, but focusing on a specific group as i was doing with the drivers licenses. markio was working on something that would get signed into law is very different than a presidential edict of the president saying i am above the law. i get to decide what the laws will be and what laws i will choose as president to ignore. and i don't think any president should do that. >> senator barrasso, what would it take to get comprehensive illegal immigration plan through? because they worked on in 2006 and it went down in flames. we can talk about a comprehensive immigration reform plan, but what's it going to take? >> you said it went down in partisan flames. i thought it went down in bipartisan flames. you mentioned president bush as well as senator kennedy, who may have supported it, and others in a bipartisan way, opposed that proposal. it's going to take an effort of people really addressing first securing the borders, making sure the borders are secure, and dealing with the issue of folks that are here now illegally, who have broken the law. and it's a much bigger debate. but what senator rubio has focused on what i was focused on in 2007 is a component of that. and as you said, work on one part of that at a time, and that's what senator rubio is now withdrawn because of the divisive efforts of the president in this run-up to the election to try to go after a certain segment of the population. >> congress has been tackling immigration reform since 2001, and then 2007, and then 2010. so, yeah, it's going to be a long haul, i think. thank you, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> my pleasure. got to get to zoraida's look at the top stories. >> at the 220 summit today in mexico, president obama meets with china's president. they will discuss iran's nuclear program. so far, the economic crisis has dominated the discussion. president obama and other world leaders are turning up the heat on europe to solve its debt crisis. and that's triggering a war of words with the president of the eu saying european nations didn't come to the g20 to get lectured. jerry sandusky's child sex abuse trial could go to the jury by the end of the week. but before that happens, nbc news reports prosecutors may introduce a potentially explosive unaired portion of the interview sandusky did with bob costas. listen for yourself as sandusky seems to all but admit seeking out some young people for sex. >> and i didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that i've helped. there are many that i didn't have -- i hardly had any contact with who i have helped in many, many ways. >> the defense is expected to wrap up its case tomorrow afternoon. no word if sandusky will take the stand. and the government is spending millions and still whiffing against roger clemens. a jury finding him not guilty on all charges in his perjury trial related to alleged use of performance enhancing drugs. the next jury he will face, the baseball writers. the men who vote for the hall of fame. earlier on "starting point," his lawyer, famous texas attorney rusty hardin, told us earlier this morning the rocket is a hall of famer in his book. >> if he's judged in history by people in baseball as being a great pitcher, that's good enough for him. if the writers decide to put him in the hall of fame, fine. if they don't, that's their call. this guy is one of the best people who happened to also be a great pitcher that i have ever known. >> this is the second time clemens faced a trial. the first one ended in a mistrial. and iron mike is broadway bound. former heavyweight champion mike tyson teaming up with spike lee for a one-man show called mike tyson undisputed truth. sort of an onstage confessional. tyson says it will be raw, filthy, and how his vulnerable side. six nights only beginning july 31. soledad? >> that is fantastic. i would definitely go see that. that's going to be hard to get a ticket to. don't you think? you wouldn't you want to see that? >> mike tyson is always somebody interesting to watch. >> on broadway talking about his life? >> complicated guy. >> i always thought he was destined for broadway. >> i can't say i agree with you on that. >> all the way along. still ahead on "starting point" this morning from chastity to chaz, chaz bono will talk about his transition to the person he says he always knew he was. plus, will you drop your ipad for the surface? one of the first reviews of microsoft's brand-new tablet is just ahead. and adidas apologizing for this, yes, sneakers with shackles. is the outrage justified? our tough call today. you're watching "starting point." do you see it ? there it is ! there it is ! where ? where ? it's getting away ! where is it ? it's gone. we'll find it. any day can be an adventure. that's why we got a subaru. love wherever the road takes you. wow, there it is. olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! 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[ laughter ] >> give us the black perspective. >> no. i did find it offensive. but i don't think he had a bad intention. but that's part of what white privilege is about, not thinking about how a shoe design impacts other people. and it also speaks to what happens when you don't have black people in the office. i refuse to believe that black people were in the conversation and they didn't say, this looks kind of slavey. it looks like a prison shackle. someone would say that if they were in the room. i think you need more people in the conversation. >> i don't know if it requires a black person in the room. not that that's a good thing. but i think it doesn't require a black perspective to say, that's not cool. what's going on? i'm not even talking about stylistically. it's stupid looking. but to understand the slavery thing, it doesn't -- i think anybody gets that. >> isn't there a culture amongst shoe designers that you always have to one up the next guy, you have to get attention, one-up the next guy? there was the black and tan that the irish found out were outrageous because that were the british paramilitary troopers that were executed in world war i. a little more obscure. i grant you that. but seriously, there is this sort of overdo it -- make it more outrageous than the last guy. >> i think people wanted to catch up with kanye's shoe that just came out. i get that. but you're alienating the people who you want to buy it. >> and at the end of the day, you're a corporation. when someone protests, you have to take it down. i thought the same thing. they need more people in the room who are like -- >> yeah, don't do that one. next! still ahead this morning on "starting point," we're going to talk to chaz bono about his transition. sonny and cher's child talks to us about his gender reassignment surgery, and how he's feeling today. casting call. who's going to play mitt romney in the mock debates with president obama? here's a hint. he's been down the road before. and new york city's mayor is refusing to endorse a presidential candidate. but did he tip his hand? you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. dude you don't understand, this is my dad's car. look at the car! my dad's gonna kill me dude... 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"the new york times" quoting two people who spoke to the mayor at a recent charity event. reports mr. bloomberg believed mitt romney would be better at running the country, but he cannot support him because of his opposition to abortion rights and to gun control, soledad. >> all right. the world first new chaz bono as chastity, the adorable 2-year-old daughter of sonny and cher. but as chaz grew up, he knew something wasn't quite right. he was angry, confused, turned to painkillers to deal with his personal struggles. in his first book called "family outing," chaz writes about coming coming out as a lesbian. the next story, "transition," talks about identifying as a transgendered man. now he is claiming his life as a man called "transition." he is joining us live this morning. thank you for being with me. we appreciate it. of the three books, what was the most difficult and challenging thing to have to write about? >> well, understand the last -- the paperback is just -- i added a new chapter from the original hardback version. and it's basically got a lot of great stuff about "dancing with the stars" in it. so if you're a fan of that show, go out and pick up the paperback. >> was that the hardest time? you took a lot of flak for that, you know, and then -- >> oh, no. that -- >> go ahead. >> that was fun to write about. i had such a great time doing that show. and i just -- you know, i really wanted to try to capture what it feels like to be on it, because i think there are so many fans and people are so into it. and i wanted to give an inside feel as to what it feels like to be a contestant on it. >> there were lots of people -- not lots, but a number of people who wrote in to the show protesting the fact that you were on it at all. some people saying i'm disgusted, i'm going to kiss the show goodbye. really really angry. and then you had the well wishers who piled on on the other side supporting you. >> right. >> was that a difficult time for to you be in the center of the storm when you really just wanted to be on the show and dance? >> no, not really. it's what i focused on, was just learning how to dance at that time. you know, it happened before i went on the show. so i really hoped that that would kind of blow over. and once i got on the show, people would kind of forget about all of that. and that's pretty much, you know, what happened. as soon as the show started, it seemed like all of that went away. >> you have written a lot about your family's reaction to first coming out as a lesbian, and then identifying as a transgendered man, and then becoming a transgendered man. how is your family, overall, your mom, of course, the famous cher, your stepmother, mary bono mack, who we have had on this show a number of conversations around these major decisions in your life, how have they gone? >> you know, i think probably for everybody in my family, it was probably the hardest on my mother. and i think that, you know, would make sense. obviously. you know, but slowly, it's an adjustment for her. and i think slowly she's making that adjustment. mary, ron the other hand, has been unbelievably supportive from the get go, and i absolutely love her for that. >> you're an advocate now for transgendered people. what is the first on the list of your things that need to be done on that front? >> oh, well, i think -- >> sounds like a big list from that sigh. >> it's a big list. there are a lot of issues. but i think, you know, for the entire lgbt community, passing the employment nondiscrimination act is a really important thing. and then for transgendered people, you know, i would really love to see our treatment covered in health care. that's something that really is important to us. >> chaz, this is will. are you happy today? >> unbelievably so, yeah. >> soledad pointed out you went through some hard times through this process, dealing with painkillers. and obviously, you have taken great measures to find yourself at a place where you hope you would be happy. and you're telling us successful, you're much happier. >> yeah. i mean, it's not -- i am 100 times more happy. but it goes beyond that. it's really -- i am comfortable. and at peace. and move through the world so much easier now than i did before. >> how do you -- what do you say to young people who are struggling with gender identity? what should the first step be for them? >> you know, finding support for them and their family. i think that's probably the first step. >> and what is the first place to go? and where do you get that support if you're not from a family that is as open or as accustomed to -- >> if your mom isn't cher. >> well, believe me. i've met a lot of the parents who took it a lot better than my mom did at first. >> but where do you go? seriously. where does somebody who looks at you and says they have done this transition, where do they go for support? >> if you don't have the support of your family, that's really hard. you know, there's a ton of information on the internet. there's, you know, gay and lesbian centers in pretty much every major city at this point that if they don't have resources for you, they're going to be able to point you in the direction of it. in los angeles, we have a group that i am a very big part of called transforming family. and we work with families, teens, kids, and really try to add exactly that support for everybody. >> well, chaz bono, nice to see you. thank you for talking with us this morning. your third book. another one in the works? >> probably. not yet. but definitely ideas. >> good, good, good. thanks for talking with us. we'd love to have you back on to talk about that as well. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> my pleasure. still ahead on "starting point," author dan winslow has a new novel called "the kings of cool," a prequel to his previous work called "savages" is now a new movie. here is his play list. he likes eminem, "not afraid." hey, nice to have you. ♪ [ male announcer ] considering all your mouth goes through, do you really think brushing is enough to keep it clean? while brushing misses germs in 75% of your mouth, listerine® cleans virtually your entire mouth. so take your oral health to a whole new level. listerine®... power to your mouth™. so take your oral health to a whole new level. high schools in six states enrolled in the national math and science initiative... ...which helped students and teachers get better results in ap courses. together, they raised ap test scores 138%. just imagine our potential... ...if the other states joined them. let's raise our scores. let's invest in our teachers and inspire our students. let's solve this. ben went to berkeley and majored in business and botany. >> best chemist in the world. >> i think we just struck gold. >> he takes 99% of the violence out of the business. the other 1% -- >> that's a clip from the new movie "savages," about two drug dealing friends who must fight to save the woman they both love from the mexican cartel. the movie itself is adapted from a widely praised crime novel written by don winslow. for more than a decade, he has been writing about the war on drugs and drug culture. to get the story, he worked as a private investigator and then for the state department. he went on five stake outs. is that true? >> yeah. in my early books i was working as a p.i. and trying to write five pages a day, no matter what. sometimes i would write on stakeouts. >> how much in the books was really from stuff you were saying on the stakeouts or working as an investigator? was the dialogue really ripped from what you were experiencing? >> you know, quite a bit of it. later on, i wrote a book called "the power of the dog" which is about the drug trade. i did a lot of research on that. by that time, i was done with being a private investigator. most of it comes from that research. >> you worked with oliver stone pretty closely on this one. what was that like? >> it's an intense experience working with oliver. >> what's that mean? he yells? >> he's an intense guy. i never heard him yell. but he's serious about what he does. and it's intense. >> did he rewrite any of your script? >> we all worked together. there were three of us. and so we met in person. we were on the phone. we exchanged emails. a lot of talking. a lot of discussion. >> were you happy with how the movie came out? >> i was. >> that's a leading question i just asked you. >> sometimes authors say they are not happy. and then it's really interesting because there's sort of a collision between the original book that they wrote and the way it turned out. but as the screen writer, i've got to imagine you get to help that transition from your book to what you actually see on the screen. >> yeah. it's an enormous change. earlier in my career, i adapted more or less that philosophy of take the money and run. you know, stand by the fence. that didn't work out so well. >> how do you mean? >> well, i had one film made from a book. and when i saw it -- >> you didn't love it? >> i didn't love it. in fact, i was surprised at how much it hurt to see it. >> is that part of what you did on this one, part of the deal was you wanted to be part of the creation and making it into a visual component? >> yes, ma'am. and, you know, my partner, shane and i, really discussed the world of film. how we're going to approach it in a new kind of way for novelists. and part of that is having a real seat at the table. and that's all i've ever wanted, is a genuine seat at the table. >> this is from your bio. it says for the state department, he, meaning you, trained and led terrorist cells and kidnapped diplomats at prearranged events. what? >> huh? >> yeah. really? >> really. >> what does that mean? what does "kidnapped" in quotes mean? >> i was in charged of hostage simulation exercises playing the bad guys. and so i would form little terrorist cells of actors and ex-military types, and we would go in and we would kidnap -- people knew some event was going to happen. and we'd take this people out. and then they would do the training for hostage negotiation release. >> what did that teach you that you were able to put in books? >> well, it teaches you infiltration. it teaches you military and sniper positioning. it teaches you all kinds of things. >> it doesn't teach you how to become a writer, though. how did you learn that? >> the long way. >> working at your craft. nice to have you. congratulations on the movie which is coming out on july 6. and of course the new book, "kings of cool" comes out today. >> my pleasure. thank you. still ahead on morning on "starting point," the infamous soda ban. will cain, you love it or you hate it? 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