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trayvon martin was shot and killed, could be a key piece of evidence. he had a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, two cuts to the back of his head in a minor back injury. i want to go to martin savidge covering the story for us. with all these new details and developments does it help zimmerman's argument he was in fact standing his ground they killed trayvon martin in self-defense? >> reporter: it depends on who you talk to. here's the way it breaks down. this information coming from the prosecution, the special prosecutor angela corey, they had to provide the basics of their investigation over to the defense so that's why we're starting to see this information come out this week. two reports caught her eye, the autopsy report on trayvon martin and that's the one you're referring to that says bruising on the hands of trayvon martin that would seem to support the defense's claim that george zimmerman says that trayvon martin came up to him, punched him in the nose, knocked him to the ground and began beating him against the sidewalk, however, the attorney for trayvon martin's family says, wait a minute. this only says trayvon martin was in a fight, it doesn't say who started it. listen to him last night on "ac 360." >> trayvon was fighting for his life. >> you're saying that's why he would have injuries on his hands? >> absolutely. he was standing his ground. it was self-defense so if somebody got a gun, i want to fight for my life. >> now, we should point out the injuries that george zimmerman says he sustained and these were documented by a visit to his family doctor that says that he had lacerations on the back of his head, two black eyes, a broken nose and an injury to the back of the head. if he was seriously injured he would have gone to the hospital the night of the event, not the day after and he did not have a concussi concussion. this is going to be argued both ways in a courtroom. it's going to be the battle of the expert, brooke. >> we'll follow it all the way through, martin, appreciate it this morning. new restrictions from the pentagon after air force pilots complain these high-tech f-22 plane, raptors were making them sick. the pentagon is bringing in the navy, they're bringing in nasa to help try to figure out why these $400 million f-22 raptor jets are making the pilots dizzy and light-headed in some cases nauseated and blacking out simms a lot like those of oxygen deprivation. >> secretary panetta believes we should do everything to minimize flight risks and continue to closely monitor the air force's steps in doing this. >> they're speeding up plans to add the back-up ox general systems in the cockpit. i want to bring in representative kinzinger. talking about it and coming forward, a member of the air national guard. congressman, good morning to you. >> hey, brooke, good morning, how are you? >> doing well. first things first, just what is your reaction to secretary of defense coming out yesterday and calling a concern on these f-22 raptors? >> we think it's a good first step, senator warner from virginia and i sent a letter basically asking for these steps to come into play and we were pleased that yesterday this was happening. again, this is a first step to say, hey, look, the f-22 is an important part of our arsenal, future dense of our country, it's important but something is wrong with it and pilots are getting hypoxic from a lack of oxygen, not feeling right. putting them in a dangerous situation so this is a good first step to say we'll test it in a controlled environment. a lot of questions and information that needs gathered. >> in terms of the symptoms, you mentioned it's hypoxia so dizziness, some of them are feeling nauseous. some are blacking out. i want to play some of the sound, one of the pilots, what he felt when he talked to "60 minutes." >> several times during the flight i had to really concentrate, immense concentrate on doing simple, simple tasksary our training tells you if you think suspect something, pull your oxygen and come back home. when i pulled the oxygen ring, i couldn't find it. >> here's my question, given i imagine it's incredibly frightening to go through it in the air behind the controls but secretary of defense panetta says they remain within the proximity of potential landing locates but my question is does it matter if you're near or far from a landing location, if you're plaquing out, you're blacking out and that's a huge problem. >> hypoxia is pretty insidious, i've been hypoxic as part of my training as a pilot. it basically comes on. you don't necessarily realize it, that's why you're trained so you recognize the symptoms but you can't put a square peg in a square hole because your mind shuts down. you think you're aware but you're not so being near a landing location at the point you might recognize symptoms is a good first step. the pilot you showed is still facing disciplinary action from the military for his refusal to fly with a charcoal filter on the aircraft and we can do a long way to make sure they pull back the reprimand against the captain. >> it's not just some pilots but i'm reading there are mechanics, mechanics on the ground who are working on these f-22 raptors or in the cockpits, putting on the same masks and having issue, as well. what kind of issues mite this be, contamination, possibly fuel getting in the mask? >> well, i think it's an all the above -- nobody really knows. that's what i think is disturbing about it, this is an important aircraft but with all the intensity that people have put into finding it we haven't been able to pinpoint the problem yet. there's maintainers on the ground doing engine runs where they start the engine. some have experienced these symptoms. the full resource of the air force are being used to try to find the problem. i think we need a much bigger task force and that's where secretary panetta took the first step too. but, you know, we need a bigger task force that will focus on it and get it done and pilots who feel uncomfortable shouldn't be forced to fly and also should be given breathing room to come forward. we've had upwards of nine pilots come forward. many who want to do so anonymously and said they're concerned with the aircraft. >> you say it needs to get fixed. $400 million planes. when is that going to happen? >> i hope soon because we paid for these things and they're very important to our defense so let's get all the smartest minds together and figure out what's going on because i want to look back in six months or year and say it's not a problem anymore and have the greatest fighter at 100% capacity in our arsenal. >> congressman kinzinger, thank you very much. what else is making news, christine romans. >> good morning. we could face -- we can witness the final hours of john edwards' corruption trial and still no word if edwards himself will testify. his daughter cait is set to take the stand. the defense is considering calling edwards' former mistress rielle hunter to the stand. edwards faces up to 30 years behind bars for allegedly using illegal campaign contributions to cover up his affair with hunter. mitt romney adding more delegates to his tally in oregon's primary and took home 73% of the vote. 25 delegates up for grabs there. in nebraska romney walked away with 71% of the vote. for the second time this year, president obama will have lunch with congressional leaders from both sides of the aisle today. pushing his economic agenda. invited guests are house speaker john boehner, house minority leader nancy pelosi, senate majority leader harry reid and mitchell mcconnell. he told erin burn net he's prepared to play hard ball if the president wants to raise the debt ceiling again. >> it is a line in the sand because washington has kicked the can down the road, kicked can down the road and the american people think we're crazy. they're ready for washington to take action. i'm here. i'm ready to do it. let's go. >> boehner says he'll only agree to raise the debt ceiling if it's offset by a greater amount of spending cuts. u.s. stock futures flat but european markets are down on concerns again about greece. that country's president is warning of a possible run on the banks there. greek citizens are worried the country may have to leave the euro currency. they are withdrawing money from the banks, feverishly over the past few days. more on this story as it develops. facebook boosting the size of its ipo offer by 25% looking to raise up to $16 billion. welcome news one day after big three automaker general motors said it's pulling its ads from facebook. sources told the wall street journal, gm is pulling ads because it had little effect on consumers. california will take a big bite out of it. facebook employees will pay $1.1 million each in state income taxes after they go public. up to $4 billion in taxes overall. numbers still in the air but we know for sure after employees start cashing this their shares how much they have to pay to the government. brooke, think of this, this year in california, california, one-fifth of its personal income tax growth will come just from what happens on friday. >> wow. amazing. >> it's amazing. >> a company that eight years ago was in the dorm room at harvard. >> he wears hoodies and t-shirts when he addresses his company. there you go. christine, thank you very much. still ahead on "starting point," i know i fly a lot. we're talking gaping holes in airport security. an alarming report sparking washington's attention. the question is how safe are we? 20 million more americans about to be labeled addicts without even picking up a drink or a drug? controversy over these new addiction guidelines this morning. may make you think maybe you're an addict. our panel walking in with all that and more. good morning, good morning, good morning. nice to see you all. flo and the machine. >> her new album, right. >> this is her old one. >> "starting point" -- >> good morning. >> we'll be right back. 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>> yeah, a lot of people are talking about this and it's just rumored the dsm 5, i've been hearing it's been coming out and new diagnosis of alcoholism and trying to address early stages of what's to come, right? one argument, it's going to label a lot of people alcoholic. on the other hand an argument is more people become educated at an earlier age about their drinking and what it can lead to and they think in terms of a continuum like starting at 10 percentile and alcoholism and drug addiction treatment is at the 70th percentile so you start on that -- >> the continue one. >> so where exactly do you fall? do you say, yes, it's a good thing for these college kids to be labeled alcoholics or do you think it's a little too much? >> well, alcoholic is a specific term that, you know, psychiatry traditionally never got involved in addiction or the subject of adwikz or alcoholism for 50, 60, 70 years and now all of a sudden they're paying close attention to it and i'm suspicious about that. alcoholism is a specific -- there's another organization called addiction -- american society of american addiction which is what addiction treatment is all based on. that is addiction and alcoholism and that -- that has specific criteria. that has genetic predisposition, childhood trauma, use exposure, use of addictive substances in the face of adverse consequences, that's addiction where i come from. >> so then where do you fall as we're watching these kids funneling beer as we're talking to you? do you support this idea because let me just get this in there critics -- let me quote at uconn, this will artificially inflate the statistics considerably. do you see -- they're saying the resources for treatment will be more scarce, misdirected. do you see that perspective? >> the history of the dsm is all about the insurance companies. they wanted a manual to say what is your science of the mind? what is your scientific evidence and what is quantifiable mental illness and so it was really designed for the insurance companies anyways in order to bill. and so that's been the battle for 30, 40 years between the insurance companies and the medical profession, psychiatric profession, what is it? so it changes every five years if you notice. >> bob, i want to bring in our panel. i see them nodding and wanting to jump in. >> hi, ron brownstein from "the national journal," i think the key question, does this in effect risk broadening the definition to the point where the attempts at intervention become diluted or does it allow you to more early on intervene with people who are going to need help down the road? does this ultimately improve or dilutes the prospects of successful intervention? >> i find it interesting the subject everybody is talking about is college campuses and one of the college campuses, when will they take responsibility for the fact that the downtowns of any university in america are bars. dozens of bars everywhere, drinking is encouraged, binge drinking is encouraged so that's really the subject. why are so many of our young people abusing drugs to or alcohol to the level of, you know, just 0.03 levels and being admitted to emergency rooms and why respect they doing something about alcohol abuse on their campuses? that's an interesting subject. >> i certainly agree with you. margaret hoover. awful us understand binge drink something on the rise in college campuses. it's an epidemic and so how do these new guideline as dress that? certainly college kids are drinking too much but what do these guidelines do to address that? >> i think it forces them to get counseling or education at an early age in the continuum so college campus health care will have to address this binge drinking if somebody needs counselling they'll get education. >> how? i don't think college kids are reading the dsm 5. >> but the clinicians dealing this their health care there like at the drop-in centers and different campuses, you probably get some sort of thing where there's better education at the college level. i mean that's what this is about. 40% of our college kids would now be considered alcoholic rather than just a rite of passage. it is not a rite of passage to have a 0.3 alcohol level and be date raped and this penn state thing a few months ago. that coach paw stuff, that was all alcohol fueled. cooler heads need to prevail. >> one last point that people might be overlooking this could reconsiderize 20 million americans as addicts. the manual's use will show what insurers will pay and could add new expenses on to the public budget. >> that's a frightening thing about the medicare going by the dsm v. it's still not out yet but health care in america for alcoholism treatment pays tore detoxification only. outpatient. i mean i live in the real world. this is the academic world that this book is based on. it's all academics writing. >> implications in the real world and it's a wake-up call not just for universities but parents and hopefully some of these students, as well. my mom said never good ever happened after midnight. >> take your mom out. >> still ahead on "starting point," the papers this morning, states taking money from struggling home owners. that's ahead. also, have you seen this video? they tweeted it. le new jersey governor chris christie sick of mayor cory booker. jerry seinfeld and newman would be proud of. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers. ♪ understood she's >> i see the smile. bobbing your head. ron brownstein picked the replacements, "aching to be." >> we'll get jingly later. welcome back to all of you to "starting point." this is the part where we get all of these lovely folks to take a look at some of the most interesting articles in the paper that are percolating. ron brownstein. you begin. >> i'll begin with "the washington post." stakes high in battle over bain. the exchange between obama and romney this week on -- >> yes. >> the ads over romney's record at bain reminded me of a baseball game in may thaw think you're going to see those two teams in october this. is a central line of argument and the presidential race, one of the central battlegrounds defining what romney's business experience will be. this does in fact equip him with helping the economy. obama team has to challenge that. one of their core missions. >> effective ads in north carolina. do we think it will be as effective? >> i covered the 1994 senate race between mitt romney and ted kennedy and kennedy came out of the box with a series of ads on bain and that ended that race. not likely to do that this time but critical for romney to have a better defense than 20 years ago. >> he's more tested now and did this exact line of argument and failed newt gingrich. >> will cain? >> chicago braces for -- >> hold it up. >> i want everyone to see all your -- >> so i can read well. chicago braces for nato talks this coming sunday ainge monday. all the world leaders will be in chicago including president obama. but so will occupy wall street. occupy wall street is planning protests such that boeing will tell all of its 500 employees don't come in monday. just work from home or if you come in other businesses are saying wear casual clothes. occupy wall street said nato is 1% military armed. 22 starbucks putting up thick plastic. >> heads up in chicago. >> in honor of your nirvana, kind of the echo of the siege of seattle with the wto under bill clinton -- >> chicago has seen it before, 1968. >> 30 seconds. >> "the new york times," the first page, needy states use housing aid cash to plug budget. the biggest private settlement after the tobacco industry. the banks paid the states for mortgage mitigation because of their role in the housing cri s crisis. states are not using it but to plug their own budgets because states are in debt. >> 27 states -- 15 states raising it for other purpose, taxes. >> similar on the tobacco settlement years ago. >> i know. >> we'll bring it up because we're talking football. still ahead on "starting point," this is a guy that actually tom brady sees in his nightmares. eli manning is here to talk about the super bowl, "snl" and his work with kids. bruce, why are you pointing at me? very excited. there he is. he's waving. there we go. plus, gaping holes in airport security. nothing to laugh about. everything from knives getting through to a dead dog going unscreened. it's not foolproof. what's the way to stop it? we know we need to. one of the best things about state farm is our accessibility. oh, yeah? 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[ man ] saw 'em in '83 in fresno. place was crawling with chicks. i got to go. ♪ any way you want it ♪ that's the way you need it ♪ any way you want it ♪ good morning once again. half past the hour. straight to christine with the day a headlines. hey, christine. >> good morning, brooke. a massive manhunt is on for the husband of a bride found stabbed to death in her bathtub. police in burbank, illinois, outside chicago are searching for 30-year-old ar thnando hernandez. jiminez was seen driving a black 2006 maserati wanted on a first degree murder warrant. the long awaited war crimes tribunal of ratko mladic is now underway at the hague. the general has been indicted on 11 counts of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity accused of leading a campaign of ethnic cleansing during that bloody civil war that tore apart yugoslavia in the 1990s. he's serving up to 33 years in a nevada prison but o.j. simpson's new attorney says he was a victim of poor legal representation asking for him to be released and granted a new trial. simpson was convicted back in 2008 on charges of kidnapping and armed robbery in a case involving memorabilia dealers. researchers hope a new way of looking at alzheimer's disease will help find a way to prevent it. officials announcing a major study to test an experimental drug on patients long before they exhibit any signs of dementia. the obama administration says the goal is to wipe out alzheimer's by 2025. more than 5 million americans suffer from the disease. the toronto blue jays' lowry called at unlucky bounce. after striking out in the ninth inning, a furious lowry slammed his batting helmet to the bound and struck home plate umpire bill mueller. he later apologized for the incident. the crowd wasn't done with miller. as the umpire walked off he was pelted with a drink thrown from -- by a fan from the stands -- >> oh. >> look at that. there it goes. >> i'm telling you -- >> not a good night for him. >> let's just stay classy, everyone. >> he was a little extreme. >> stay classy. >> christine, how about this? big, big questions into how well the tsa is guarding our haitian's airports. agents are not properly telling the tsa when knives, when guns and other weapons are just up and slipping past security. according to the inspector general only 42% of breaches are being reported. 42%. and airports are only addressing just about half of those causes of those breaches. they also found the tsa isn't properly tracking these security issues. congressman mike rogers, the chairman of the house subcommittee will be holding a hearing to tackle this precise issue today. congressman, good morning. >> good morning. >> let's talk about this report. i know this is specifically honing in on newark, new jersey, six security breaches including the guy who slipped past security ongoing kiss his girlfriend, stopped everything. that's the day you don't want to be in the airport. everything came to a crashing halt and cost the airlines millions of dollars. what do you hope to get out of this hearing today. >> this hearing was scheduled a long time before this ig report came out. we knew there were some problems with reporting. but that's what we're trying to find out. why these breaches were discovered by the local tsa but weren't reported to big tsa. you know, tsa cannot come up with mechanisms and processes to resolve these kind of breaches if they don't know about them and only 42% were reported. not acceptable and why that happened today. >> before you talk about resolving breaches you have to talk about how they're categorized because one of the conclusions is the fact the tsa doesn't actually have a uniform way of tracking these particular breach, different airports list them differently. for example, one will consider a breach in an improper bag hand of off incident. another calls another a sterile offense because you want to track trends so that's important. >> exactly right. a management problem and trying to get to the bottom of what happened and make it smarter. tsa has to be a lot smarter, leaner and tougher and want to help them get there but we've got to have hearings on this to focus on the problem. >> last year's tsa workforce screened more than 603 million passengers at 450 airport as cross the country and stopped more that 125,000 prohibited items at airports checkpoints. of those more than 1,300 were firearms. isn't that still all for naught if these breaches continue to happen? it makes me nervous and i fly all the time. >> tsa likes to talk about their successes and i'm proud of them. the truth is we haven't had another successful attack in ten years. the problem is we have only have to miss one and it's a disaster. we want tsa to become smarter, leaner and tougher and that means we've got to get the bottom of problems like this. 42% of the breaches are only being accepted. we need 100% reported to make sure none of them are successful. >> congressman, let me bring in will cain. >> how are you doing? what's odd is that while we see the breaches it's accompanied by the fact the tsa is being harangued for patting down and giving the full monty search where former secretary of state henry kissinger was patted down so it's like tsa is getting criticized on both sides of the spectrum. what kind of job are they doing? what kind of grade would you give them? >> overall i think they've done an acceptable job and base it solely on the fact we have not had another successful attack in ten years. doesn't mean we can't have one if we don't stay tougher and smarter. the bad guys, the terrorists are way ahead of the curve in trying to find new and novel ways to get through. unfortunately, pat-downs are a necessity but the fact is pat-downs respect worth the trouble if we're not focusing on the ways that other people can get through, as well. that's what this hearing is all about, find out about why these are happening and more importantly, why they're not being reported because we can't deal with them if we don't know about them. >> former tsa director kip holly, the second guy to run it has a new book called "permanent emergency" about the consistent problems of tsa and a lot of americans wonder when they're in the airport lines whether tsa could actually prevent another 9/11 today with 40% of these breaches happening. >> right, we talked about that out of yemen and arabian peninsula and body bombs, hard to detect and the congressman i'm sure would agree we need to be patient. while they're searching us scrupulously, still, there are many issues why the breaches are happening. we appreciate you for doing it. thank you, sir. >> glad to be with you. new jersey's top dogs with a little "seinfeld" homage. >> go, sit tight. i got this. >> booker! >> booker, stand back. >> booker, the rivalry between new jersey governor chris christie and mayor cory booker. he's in the house, the new york giants qb and super bowl mvp. i want to know if he's wearing the ring. oh, he's tossing the football around. nice catch, guys. this is his playlist, the boss singing "glory days." >> nice, margaret hoover. 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>> he's doing great. i was with him last week for a little bit. shooting a reebok commercial. he's doing great and loving it out there and working hard and excited to be playing football again. i'm excited to get to watch him on the football field again. >> and now tim tebow here in new york. have you had coffee with tim tebow? >> no, i haven't seen tim since he has been in town. you know, it's one of those deals in new york you win a super bowl but i'm the third most talked about quarterback right now between mark and tim and i. that's the way i like it. >> speaking of backup quarterbacks, i didn't know this but you are supposedly the godfather of pranks. i hear these stories about you reprogramming the phone into japanese. what's your best one? what's your claim to fame? >> you know, it's hard to say. you know, i don't really like -- our rookies just got in this week. i don't want to give it away. >> give us one example. >> there's some stuff called blue dye. it's kind of like if you see a movie and someone robs a bank. it's that stuff. it comes in a powder. you put it in their shoes and in their gloves and when it mixes with sweat and moisture, it just stains their hand totally blue and takes two weeks to get off. >> have you had blue hands? >> i never have had blue hands. sometimes i get a little dot on me. it's not hard to find out who did it when you pour the powder you get some on your finger. >> if you see rookies on the field with blue blotches, we now know this guy is to blame. let me get a video in. i know you were recently on "saturday night live." this is a clip of you wearing a dress. check it out. >> i put so much into tonight. i did this. and this. and this. and i guess it wasn't enough. i was 100% ready not to lose this. and now i've tarnished my image and disappointed my fans. he's right over there. sorry. >> here you are in a dress in this wig. the eli manning of "snl" and peyton. >> he uses football to teach valuable lessons of communication. >> watch the blitz. watch the blitz. 55 razor. open. open. get your head out of your [ bleep ]. you suck! >> shout out to cross dressing. >> what's the off-season like? do you get to totally disconnect? is there a point where you just totally unattach the football or are you planning and plotting and preparing for the next season almost from day one? >> our coaches really tell us to take about a month out. to don't lift any weights. don't do anything. don't put stress on the body. you need a full recovery. the season is long. i take a month off and slowly get back into working out. jogging. running around. doing some sort of physical activity and then we came back mid april with the team. started having spring practices. we had practice yesterday. we have practice tomorrow with the full group. and starting to work on getting better and getting ready to the upcoming season. >> speaking of jogging and running around. you're part of this group. build our kids success. you see kids need to be jogging and running around more because they are not enough these days. >> exactly. this is a before school activity that parents really started but teachers, parents, you get kids before school. get them running around. relays. races. the idea is that it helps with their physical activity and their overall health but also they found out when you are active kids are active, their minds become active. it also the real goal is to get them to do better in the classroom as well. >> so get 4 year olds out there running before school. >> that's what it is. >> were you doing that growing up? >> i don't know. i was not doing that. when i was in school, we had pe. we had physical education. a lot of schools have eliminated that. the kids are in school all day with no sort of physical activity and this country has an obesi obesity problem with kids and a. academic performance is down in kids so the emphasis is not only to attack the health and the obesity problem but also increase the academic performance and get these kids' minds active and that's what they have seen with these programs is that the school work is getting better and the kids are overall more healthy. >> public and private schools? >> yes. it's really just the parents who are ones getting involved. they are getting up early and bringing kids. parents are doing it. teachers can get involved also. you can go on the website and you can find out how to bring this program to your school. this is parents, teachers, whoever. it's a very simple program. you don't need much. you just need a place to go. usually at the school. if you have a gymnasium or outside where you can set up some cones and relays and just get the kids heart rates up and running and it's a great program and just helping the overall well-being of children. >> eli manning, you have a half decent athlete but a good guy as well. >> he's won two super bowls. >> back in a moment. >> back in a moment. >> what have you done lately? 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"starting point" begins right now. ♪ >> you're dating yourself will cain. good morning. i'm brooke anderson sbaldwin. margaret hoover, white house staffer and author and ron brown screen, editorial director at the national journal. i want to believe with our "starting point." two game changing developments in the trayvon martin case. autopsy results are revealing the florida teenager's knuckles had scrapes on them before he was shot and killed by george zimmerman. this is out of our affiliate from orlando. we're digging into this three-page medical report from the family physician of george zimmerman. this could be evidence from the upcoming trial. zimmerman went to the doctor the day after martin was killed. had a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, to cuts on the back of his head and also a minor back injury. some of the new details here we're now learning. martin savidge is live in atlanta. good morning. >> this is really big information here that's coming out. it will become key evidence at trial if it gets to trial. i shouldn't put the cart ahead of the horse here. let's start with autopsy information coming up from trayvon martin and bruising found to be on his hands. the defense team would argue see this supports george zimmerman's claim that it was trayvon martin who was the aggressor here. however, the other side then comes forward. ben crump, the attorney for trayvon martin's family says, no, this just proves that trayvon was in a fight. listen to what he told anderson cooper last night. >> trayvon was fighting for his life. >> you're saying that's why he would have injuries on his hands? >> absolutely. he was stranding his ground. it was self-defense. if someone has a gun, i want to fight for my life. >> in other words what they're saying is that it was george zimmerman that was the aggressor here and began pursuing trayvon martin. the other thing that came out was medical information for george zimmerman. you talked about the two black eyes and broken nose and injuries to the back of the head and back injury. this came from his personal doctor the day after the incident. again, ben crump would say, wait a minute, there's no concussion here and if it was really the fight for his life and his head being beaten against the ground, wouldn't that have happened and by the way, he didn't go to the hospital that night so his injuries could not have been that severe. what we're seeing here, brooke, is basically the battle that will be fought when it gets to a courtroom. >> how the defense and prosecution uses evidence. martin savidge i appreciate it this morning. jpmorgan day three on "starting point." congress taking up jpmorgan's $2 billion loss. did they violate the volcker rule that gets into effect in july which is banning proprietary trades. officials will testify about what they knew and what they didn't know. treasury secretary tim geithner says the loss here bolsters the case for tougher rules. >> i'm very confident we'll be able to make sure those come out as tough and effective as they need to be and i think this episode helps make the case frankly. >> an fbi source says the agency is looking into the $2 billion trading loss by jpmorgan chase on top of investigations by the s.e.c. and the federal reserve as well. austin goolsbee is professor of economics at the university of chicago school of business and former chief economist for president obama's economic recovery advisory board. good morning to you. >> good morning. i was reading all kinds of different things, what you said as a result of this massive egregious loss on behalf of jpmorgan and the thing that jumped out is this tweet. this is what you said recently. this is your analogy. you hold the life insurance policy on a guy who just got in a motorcycle accident without wearing a helmet. it's a big deal. why do you feel that way? >> well, that was in a conversation with somebody who was saying what's a big deal? jpmorgan didn't go under so it wasn't a systemic risk. the analogy is just if they got in a minor accident without the helmet, you're happy they're okay but it should make you nervous that you are writing insurance policies for people who are taking risks that in a different circumstance could be quite dangerous. i think events are sort of similar. >> we talked about the volcker rule and i asked this question would it prevent this loss. there was a call for jamie dimon to step down from his post on the new york fed. what does it say about government's ability to regulate these massive financial institutions? >> well, it does raise some questions. i think that's fair. in fairness to them, all of the details of the volcker rule are not yet sorted out. we've been back and forth and fighting with the financial industry about how tough those rules should be. i would hope that the volcker rule since it is designed exactly for the type of event that we've just witnessed that the volcker rule would be tough enough to at least give some deterrence value that a bank might think twice before transforming its position like this into a hundred billion dollar proprietary bet and they would be afraid if we get into that, the arm of the law might land on us but we certainly have to be vigilant in a world where there's so much lobbying going on. >> let me let will jump in. >> i like your analogy. life insurance on the motorcycle accident. it seems to me when you talk about the faith of the volcker rule being able to catch problems like this, what you're saying is you put a lot of faith in that helmet. why don't we stop writing life insurance policies on the motorcycle rider? if banks are too big to fail, why do we allow them to exist? that seems to be the only way to end socialization of their losses. why mess with the helmet and faith in the regulation? >> well, the phrase too big to fail in my opinion is kind of incorrect. it leads us to the wrong conclusion. that is you could break up the biggest bank. you could break up bank of america into six different pieces and every one of those pieces would still be bigger than bear stearns was when it went under and really started the beginnings of the financial crisis. it wasn't about size. if you had ten smaller banks that collectively are the same size risk to the system as the one big bank, you would still have the problem. so i think it's about being too interconnected and you're 100% right. the only thing you should only do is the volcker rule but combined with other things and breaking into smaller businesses would not shrink total size of the risk. >> i spoke to senator corker yesterday and language needs to be looked into because it's been watered down. house financial services hearing today but i want to turn this conversation, to the death ceiling. he thought they would hit 16.39 trillion borrowing limit by the end of the year and house speaker john boehner spoke with erin burnett yesterday and message was cut spending or else. here he was. >> laying it out that you have to have the cuts and reforms that are equal or greater to the debt increase. they say that's a line in the sand. >> it is a line in the sand because washington has kicked the can down the road and kicked the can down the road and the american people think we're crazy. they are ready for washington to take action. i'm here. i'm ready to do it. let's go. >> kicking the can. kicking the can. we've heard that before. i know you talked a lot about this when you were working for president obama under the administration saying last year essentially quoting you the debt ceiling isn't something to toy with could be catastrophic. my question is looking ahead how worried should we be? >> i think a little worried. i think in fairness, the president almost got a deal with the republicans last year that the issue wasn't would there be enough cuts, the issue is will the plan be balanced and will there be tax revenue or will they cut taxes while simultaneously cutting the spending? i think the fact that the budget sequester and big cuts from last year plus the debt ceiling are all coming up at the same time is the thing that's making people a little nervous. >> real quick, speaker boehner said i'm here and ready to act, wasn't the key issue last summer whether he could act and he had a handshake agreement that he could not deliver with the president. after the election and you have expiration of the bush tax cuts does that change the dynamic in a way that forces action on the system? >> i think that's insightful. it may force action but i am still worried that they aren't able to come to an agreement for exactly the reason you cite, that republican leadership ultimately may not represent the republican base that's voting and so if they try to get to some agreement in the end they won't be able to do it. i hope that's not true because the last thing the economy needs is another punch in the gut at the end of this year where we've been on this cycle a couple times but the dynamics certainly feel different in that there are some things here that the republicans don't want to happen as well as things that the administration doesn't want to happen so hopefully they can get some agreement. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> still ahead on "starting point," life as a spy. former cia officer on a missed chance to kill osama bin laden and a warning now that he's dead and also get real. they heard about the ongoing obesity epidemic in this country. a new invention, would you want to roll around on one of these things? 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>> correct. >> and i just want to quote some of your book. you see some individuals stepping out of these vehicles and quoting you, the principles vehicle stopped and a tall man dressed in white exited. this was ubl. we watched as he walked into the courtyard of the large compound. you wanted to take him down, correct? >> that's correct. we had human sources on the ground that had reported that bin laden would be in this compound at this time and based on that human intelligence, we put a prober over the compound and sure enough bin laden showed up. >> why couldn't you take him down in 1999? >> we were dependent on u.s. military to strike and the plan apparently was to use cruise missiles from submarines that would take several hours to reach there and the white house said they needed to know where bin laden would be five, six hours from that point and of course we could not predict that. >> so fast forward to 9/11. and the terror attacks. when you found out what happened when you saw what happened, you knew bin laden was behind that, what emotions did you experience knowing that you had seen him years prior? >> brooke, disappointment, sorrow for the loss of all of those people, anger and a sense of retribution. >> also after 9/11, after those emotions, cia takes a lead role in afghanistan. you're the head of this mission. let me quote more. u.s. pilots wiped out most of the al qaeda taliban fixed targets in three days including their antiquateb anti-aircraft system. here we are still there 11 years later. >> one thing the taliban had primitive and limited air defense systems and very few static targets. u.s. airpower was secretapectac. in three or four days, most of those static targets had been knocked out. fighting continued through december but by then most of afghanistan from '02 to '05 was relatively stable. we failed not just the u.s. but the international community failed to secure that initial victory with governance, with rule of law, with development and we certainly didn't address the problem in pakistan where the taliban regrouped and al qaeda expanded their safe haven there. that's an endearing problem. >> an endearing problem is yemen we talk about body bombs and the mastermind here with a lot of people referring to this as bin laden 2.0. are you afraid of what could happen out of yemen? >> yes, i am concerned. you have seen a recent expansion of their safe haven. they are recruiting. they are training and using yemen as a platform to launch attacks. some aimed at u.s. homeland. >> of all of your years working as a spy, i'm curious as to -- you write about this in your book. give me something that might shock people that in order to be a good spy, what did you do or take part of? i don't know. >> i don't know if this would shock people. one of the most important elements of being a good operations officer, a good spy, understanding of yourself and knowledge of who you are and how you would react in a stressful environment and also interpersonal skills. listening and learning from others and having an open mind. >> i watched the "60 minutes" piece where they interviewed you and you talked about pornography and how in other parts of the world pornography talks. how so? >> well, the case in particular was north korea. i never met a north korean that did not like pornography for their own use or for resale. and you see other aspects of that. that's one of the challenges of espionage. you deal with all types of people with different values and different aspirations and different motivations and understanding that is a key part of the espionage business. >> wow. ambassador henry crumpton. we appreciate it. the book is art of intelligence. absolutely fascinating. still ahead on "starting point," get real. walking so 2011. what could be the latest and laziest and perhaps creepiest. is that a proper adjective here? 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apparently this lazy. check it out. this is latest compact honda. it's called the uni-cub. look at her scooting around. a personal mobility device. remember when legs were your personal mobility device. not so much more. sort of like an electric mobile office chair like a mini segue. i've never done a segue. this is just -- obviously i look at this and think come on now, why not walk down the hallway? >> could this replace a wheelchair? >> no. i think this is just for people who don't want to walk from point a to point b and they hop on the uni-cub. >> weren't we talked about an obesity problem yesterday? >> pretty much every day. >> did you see the movie wall-e. there it is. real life version. >> would you hop on one of these? >> not on your life. unless you brought one right here and i could use it to -- >> it's more like creeping along. >> if you walk through the world and consider yourself a ten on the man scale, how far does that take you down? >> negative two. send me a tweet. let me know if you would use the uni-cub. >> explosives, carry-on bags with knives inside, the alarming tsa breaches and this story here. did the state of texas execute the wrong man? 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>> i had published a study in early 2000s that showed courts were finding error in capital cases. a lot of people said maybe that just shows courts are doing their job. we decided let's look into some of these cases and see if there was a real risk that there was the worst kind of error that we worry about, execution of the innocent. we started looking at texas cases that put people on death row and got them executed based on a single eyewitness identification. one of the very first cases we came to was carlos deluna who from the beginning said i didn't do it, carlos hernandez did. we said let's look into that case. we didn't think it was that strong of case because no one identified carlos hernandez. >> so several hundred witnesses later, a stack of papers ten feet high, you and your students meticulously go through all of this and you discover the investigation involved numerous missteps, misclues, and missed opportunities. run down some of them for us. >> this case had all of the problems that you find in cases like this. for example, there was a very bad eyewitness identification that occurred at night. they didn't use a lineup where they let you choose among a bunch of people but they took the single eyewitness and they put him right face to face with the defendant. he was scared to death. he said he didn't want to do it. get me out of here. there were 50 or 60 onlookers standing around. they were training flashlights on carlos deluna and he said that's the guy s, get me out of here. >> professor, you went into this to find out if we made that ultimate mistake and put an innocent person to death. has it been proven that we've killed an innocent person? >> we asked readers to go and read what we put out there and we believe that we've proved that. that's for the readers to decide. that's for the readers to decide. if you are asking about a dna exoneration, that's the kind of thing that people ask about sometimes. there's never been a dna exoneration. the reason for that is the prosecutors will not release the dna so there's never actually been a test so there's no exoneration. >> let's stipulate that any system conceived and executed by human hands is going to make mistakes. that's the nature of humanity. what's the implication of that? you say this is not unique. what does that mean in your mind about using -- is this an acceptable level of risk to still implement the death penalty or does it invalidate use of the death penalty itself? >> this is an order case. common place case. no one thought there was an innocent issue in this. after we took years and peeled back layers, we found there's an innocent issue in the case and we conclude that innocent person was executed. if you have that happening in ordinary common place cases that nobody is paying attention to, the only way you can find it is years of investigation and years later, which we don't have resources to do. that's a very large degree of risk. what we decided to do was put this out as a story just the facts. let readers read it and make their own mind up. every bit of evidence we have is a click away and let them decide exactly -- >> what do we believe implications are of that level of risk? what does it require in response? >> it requires for the american public to decide whether they are willing to take that degree of risk in order to have the death penalty. there's a big debate taking place about the death penalty right now. a lot of states are abolishing it. california has a big referendum. the public is asking itself that question. how much is this penalty worth to us if dollar cost but in terms of risk that we execute innocent people. i think that our information that we lay out will be an important piece in that debate. >> from what i understand despite your 400-page report, the lead prosecutor and police detective in this case stand by their investigation. we of course reached out to the prosecutor. here's what he told us. "would you write a 400 page report and not call defense lawyers or prosecutors to ask questions about it? did you do that? >> we absolutely talked to all of those people. you can see them on videotape. 60-minute videotape of one of the defense lawyers. we have the interview notes of the others. we have a videotape of the prosecutor being interviewed on this. we quote him at length to quote his own words on what he says happened. >> what about the family that was wrongly executed? >> we were very sensitive. it's opening really terrible wounds. we were in contact with the single sibling of the victim and we spent a lot of time with him. you can see his videotaped interview on the website and you can also read a statement that he put out in 2006 in which he said he had become convinced that carlos hernandez committed the crime that carlos deluna was convicted. >> professor, thank you. >> thank you. >> still ahead on "starting point," the sweet taste of revenge. it is one of those gripping dramas on television. tonight is the big season finale. you're watching "starting point." when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is that there isn't anything on the schedule. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone likes a bit of order in their life. virtual wallet helps you get it. keep track of spending, move money with a slide, and use the calendar. all to see your money how you want. ♪ an openly gay richmond prosecutor who has been advocating for same-sex marriage and against the military's don't ask, don't tell policy has been denied this judgeship by the virginia general assembly. this 13-hour session, lawmakers were supposed to appoint three dozen judges but the senate decided to hold off. a navy officer is raising twins with a male partner and some conservative lawmakers insist his positions on gay rights disqualify him from being an impartial judge. robert marshall has been outspoke on this saying he holds himself out as being married. it's a contradiction of submission to the constitution. he did put out an e-mail reading "i look forward to continuing to serve the citizens of the city of richmond and the great commonwealth of virginia. virginia one of more than 30 states with a ban on same-sex marriage and they say the record is weak at best. >> it's reminiscent of mitt romney dropping a spokesman he hired who was gay and flip side of president obama feeling compelled to support gay marriage. i see a lot of movement toward more support for gay rights among democrats and independents and less movement among republicans. there's enormous pressure in the party to hold the line and you see it reflected in the romney decision in this the country is moving further apart on this as another issue. >> there are republicans who are moving in that direction. ted olson, many republicans who are senior leaders. new hampshire just pushed back an appeal to repeal marriage because of a republican state legislature. in new york republicans were responsible for the win here. >> there is some movement among young republicans. no question if you look at the polling. overall the center of gravity of the republican party is cultureculture conservative. it makes it hard to move on an issue like this like obama in the end had no choice but to join the center of his party on gay marriage. >> this is cover of "the washington post." read it. let us know what you think. still ahead, you love to hate her from hottest new tv show of the year it's "revenge." star madeleine stowe is here. here's an appropriate tune. good morning. 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what have you done now? >> nothing i wouldn't do again. >> madeleine stowe plays queen of mean on the hit tv drama "revenge." destroying lives, getting revenge against anyone that wants to hurt her or her family all the while doing it with such a beautiful smile. it's tv's guilty pleasure for millions of viewers and tonight is the season finale. good morning. so nice to meet you. congratulations for being picked up for another season. >> thank you. there's actually the second to last episode. >> why did you bury your head? >> it's so not me. i do a lot of work in haiti and have been since 2008. i get on a tear a bit. this is a good witch versus bad witch. that's the bad witch there. >> my producer absolutely loves revenge reading about everything you do in haiti with the secondary school and is upset you're not evil in person as you are on the screen. >> she's in there somewhere. >> let's talk about the theme of revenge. many of us can sort of relate to wanting to seek revenge perhaps in some way in our lives. >> let's start with some personal admission. >> it does resonate. why? >> it's pure animal instinct. we either overcome or we don't. i have my moments. we'll see if it ends up working. i carry it in my love shoot. so psycho crazy. sometimes involves superstition. >> you tap into something-something to bring it on screen. one thing that resonates with women is the strong central characters in this series. i want to show a clip. this is when you are talking to -- you're trying to get back at your ex-husband. here we go. >> the prosecutor can't build a federal case on your word alone. >> he won't have to. you and your team are incapable of finding proof you need but i assure you that i'm more than capable. i'm determined. >> how do you get in this evil head space to play this woman? >> i am a bit obsessive. it's easy to slip in there. coming out is more of a trick. sometimes when you are on set, you know, you have to make sure that you're not in that place because it's highly misinterpreted at times. >> so to get into character you tap that part of yourself which you said was in there somewhere and it's hard to turn off as you go to interact with people? >> it sort of sounds like that. i'm always trying to think ahead the way she is. there's a part of that. it's a difficult line to walk for many, many months. and so i take off and i go down to haiti and i'm deeply immersed in a day-to-day basis with this remarkable organization led by a man who is a doctor. he happens to be a priest. they take care of 900,000 people a year, which is astonishing through what's probably the premiere pediatric hospital in the country and only entirely pediatric hospital with schooling. we built a school that's secondary for 3,000 kids. and this has a dropout rate in haiti of 80% at sixth grade. >> how did you get connected? >> it was interesting. i found him through a filmmaker. and he does a lot of research, diligent research. i don't think there's a single ground game in haiti that's doing the amount of work that they're doing. they are building homes. everything. it's quite staggering. >> do people see you in "revenge" and get concerned and confused? nice lady doing this good work for them actually with an arlte ego. >> i don't know. they don't translate back and forth. what this doctor and priest is remarkable because his entire team is haitian. he's embedded in the culture. and it's a st. luke's organization. i'm on the board of directors. >> have you been giving for years and years this whole other part of you? we see you on screen. have you been this charitable soul for as long as you can remember? >> i've had a very -- i had a very peculiar upbringing. my father was very sick. i think this is just a place to -- ineffectual as a child is how i felt. this is a way to help. it's very interesting what's going on right now because usa i.d. is having difficulty breaking through the culture i think. there are a lot -- there is 91% of the contracting work that's going to be done in haiti is happening from washington, d.c. from inside the beltway. that's kind of a staggering number considering that they are going to have to deal with this culture and haitians should really be a huge part of this process. >> she's lovely and evil and wicked on screen and a very good soul here. so nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you. thank you for having me on. >> we'll get to our end point with our panel right after this. 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