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we also have ron brownstein and will cain, nephew of herman cain. >> brother from another mother. >> roland martin here shaking his head. >> oh, my goodness. way too much soul in here. >> haven't seen him since the family reunion. >> right. >> we have a lot to talk about this morning. we have former new hampshire governor john sununu is going to join us, the chairman is going to be here as well. former -- we're going to talk to you about this big announcen't about who you are endorsing which honestly confused the heck out of me. virginia governor bob mcdonald is going to be with us as well. south carolina congressman jim clyburn is going to join us. we're going to talk to those reporters who broke the news on the maryanne geingricgingrich. kind of hard talking. nothing going on. nothing at all. >> light morning. >> first, though, let's get to some of the other stories a are pappi i happening. we're going to shatart in afghanistan. >> the taliban claiming responsibility for shooting down a nato he'o helicopter in afghanistan. it happened late yesterday in the southern afghan province at helmand. nato says there was no enemy presence in the area when the chopper crashed if taliban has claimed responsibility in a text message to cnn. this is the worse crash since august of last year. that happened in eastern afghanistan. 30 sealoldiers were killed in t attack and 22 elite navy s.e.a.l. commandos. the cruise ship crash in italy, you're looking live at the costa concordia. rough seas and weather has officials now worried about an environmental disaster. right now the ship is about 60 feet below sea level sitting on a rock ledge just eight feet from a 200-footdropoff. now, if the ship goes over that ledge its gas tanks could rupture from the pressure spilling out some 500,000 gallons of fuel. and this is brand new video in to cnn. it was shot from the dk of the cruise ship. you really get a sense of the chaos. just listen. >> translato >> translator:. >> you can hear passengers panicking, waiting to get into life boats and screaming for their loved ones. another big development in this story is a mystery woman has emerged. she is a 25-year-old woman, a hostess for costa, but she wasn't working at the time of the crash. now, the ship's cook says the captain was dining with her after the crash happened. nearly an hour after impact. she admits dining with the captain before the accident but she says after the ship hit the rocks, she went on deck to help translate for evacuees. mission complete. a russian tanker finished delivering more than a million gallons of fuel to ice locked gnome, alaska. it took seven days for the tanker to get there with the help of an ice breaking u.s. coast guard ship. the voyage was the first ever attempt to supply fuel to an arctic alaska settlement through hundreds of miles of sea ice. on the pacific northwest, ice storms have knocked out power to a quarter of a million homes in the seattle area. and parts of oregon are dealing with severe flooding. the fbi and justice department websites are back online this morning after being taken off line by the activist group anonymous. the hack attack was said to be in retaliation for the fed's leveling criminal charges against the content sharing site, megaupload.com. mining your business now. u.s. stock futures pointing to a mixed open. dow is down at the moment. nasdaq and s&p 500 are trading slightly higher. thinking about refinancing? mortgage rates, listen to, this just keep dropping if average rate on a 30-year fixed rate mortgage is down to the lowest rate over at 3.88%, according to freddie mac. and if you haven't thought about it or if you haven't done it, soledad, you may want to check into refinancing. meanwhile, i'm going to go get that breakfast you catered into the studio here in new york while you enjoy that diner food. >> yes. and then you should make an appointment with your cardiologist immediately afterwards because it's not all that healthy but we love it. alina, thank you. here in south carolina the race is now closer than ever, of course, ahead of saturday's primary. newt gingrich is gaining moment momentum. american research group is showing a dead heat. 33% of likely republican voters are backing newt gingrich. 32% say they back mitt romney. and the debate last night may have helped newt gingrich win over south carolina voters. it opened up with a strong response to question about his ex-wife's claims that he wanted an open marriage and he turned what could have been a very negative entry into the debate into a positive debate moment for him. listen. here's what he said. >> your ex-wife gave an interview to abc news and another interview at "the washington post" and it's now viral on the internet. in it she said you came to her in 1999 at the time you were having an affair. she says you askeded her, sir, to enter into an open marriage. would you like to take some time to respond to that? >> no, but i will. [ applause ] i think -- i think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office, and i am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. [ applause ] the story is false. every personal friend i have who knew us in that period says the story was false. we offered several of them to abc to prove it was false. they weren't interested because they would like to attack any republic republican. >> so here is what gingrich's ex-wife, marianne, told abc last night. >> i said to him, newt, we've been married a long time. and he said, yes, but you want me all to yourself. calista doesn't care what i do. >> what was he saying to you, do you think? >> he was asking to have an open marriage. i refused. >> so senior political analyst david gergen said last night that gingrich's response at the debate to those claims has become a complete game changer. listen. >> speaker gingrich got a standing ovation in this auditorium for saying it was basically a completely inappropriate question. >> and he also scored points in the monday night debate by attacking one of williams' questions. i had a conversation with the speaker, look, you've moderated these debates. this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't. is it an issue i'm happy came up in the last 48 hours in the south carolina primary? of course in the. is it an issue that voters in this state are talking about today? is it an issue that he before the debate talked about in a very calm manner -- >> he talked about it today earlier in a much different manner. but you knew -- how much of this was debate theatrics on his part did you know he was going to have that response? >> i knew he was going to challenge the question. i don't read minds. i don't want to make a judgment about the speaker's response. i've been covering politicses for 25 years. i understood that if i asked the question he was not going to be happy with it and he was going to turn on me. i knew that coming in. again, you make the judgment call. is it an issue in the debate. might not be a great issue or an issue we want to talk about, but it is an issue in the debate. voters are talking about it in the state. it was my judgment, my decision. let's not try to smoke it in the middle of the debate somewhere. people at home either agree with that or disagree with that. you ask it. this is politics. he's trying to promote himself. of course he's going to attack us. i didn't take that personally. we had a nice conversation afterwards. we don't always get along but i get how the business works. >> panelists, what do you think? >> let me talk about this. one of the most explosive moments we've seen in debate history. >> in debate mks. >> in debate history. it was also one of the harshest attacks we've had on the press that i can remember in a long, long time. very personal in the beginning. and as a political matter, i think gingrich saw a fast ball coming and referring to this audience he smakd it out of the park. reasonable chance after talking to people here tonight he could win south carolina based on that answer. >> you just laughed out loud, herman cain, who has joined my panel when he said he smacked it right out of the part. do you think that newt gingrich sealed the deal heading into saturday, that first answer to that first question? >> he sealed the surge but not necessarily sealed the deal. secondly, he basically re-established what the american people really want to hear about. they don't care about what happened 15 or 20 clears ago. that's the same kind of crap they leveed against me. >> you dropped out of the race because of it. >> i dropped out of the race because, quite frankly, with all due respect, the media wouldn't get off of it even though they were false. to who back to pull this up that happened that long ago to try and say it is significant relative to his moral character is irrelevant and the reason he got a standing ovation is because most of the american people would rather hear about how are we going to fix stuff, not what happened 20 years ag. >> it's interesting. i was in the audience. afterwards i went through a bunch of different folks, some in the romney area and some in the santorum area. they loved him. he was funny. he was on last night. they said they were happy to boo the media. but then he also said, when i get home i'm going to google that because i have questions about character questions are important to me in my vote. i had a number of people, small number, i didn't talk to 1,000 people, a bunch of people who said that the character question is something but they are also happy to boo the media. >> character questions are important and, yes, you want to have a president, a senator, a congress person that has good ethics and has a good character. but the point is relative to what's important right now, today, i believe that the american people are less interested in that. they may go and check out and see what's truth to the story but here's the other thing. what about the timing of it? three days before the south carolina primary, which is a critical primary, voila, here comes this interview. >> roland martin is attend of the table doing this. >> absolutely. because, look, when you talk about the issue of being the president of the united states, when you talk about having the level of character, yes, you can attack the media, got it. anybody who gets a standing ovation on that. chris rock talked about it in his comedy skit. everybody dogs the media. the reality is you stand there and it was interesting to me, here in south carolina, party of family values, the bible belt, and all you have to hear about talking about the right folks, governor sanford issues that we he had and to say that somehow that's not really that big of a deal? i disagree. trust me, female voters out there watching are saying, um, a little bit irgant, his own wife is saying i've got a problem with that. >> do you think that now the other campaigns pick up on this? do you think -- right now we have seen the super pacs go crazy when they feel like the race is getting tight. you have to assume something's going to happen with the super pac. >> i think last night at the debate you saw that candidates were reluctant to go too far in that direction on the stage. but certainly hate to -- one step back. i was talking to a senior official on one of the campaigns yesterday doing republican presidential politics since 1964, since goldwater. he said it yesterday it was the single most tumultuous day he can remember in 50 years. all of these events coming together at one time, as you say, three days before the primary that is historically decided the republican race since 1980 and extraordinary set of developments and you kand of put it all to the and it probably looks like on balance gingrich's momentum continues. romney i thought had another miserable debate. >> you thought it was miserable? >> very difficult week. tough time on his answers on taxes again. >> he did get a booed on the taxes. >> one thing is that rick santorum had a strong debate. >> nobody would know that. >> does raise -- >> we'll talk about eight this morning a little bit. >> that one asset he's got in south carolina where he clearly seems to face a ceiling of support is the prospect of dividing conquer on the right. gingrich last night, very strong performance on the outset president shot at taking this away. >> does that tell you something else we're doing historic is i'm going to get up in the middle of the show and go over to another guest because, look, this is governor john sununu. it only gets better. hi, governor. thank you for talking to us. they haven't fed you here. that's unfortunate. >> how are you? >> i'm really well. do you believe that with his debate performance last night, newt gingrich, as some of our panelists believe that he is able to seal the deal and really capitalize on his momentum with his response to the very first question about his ex-wife? >> i think your panelist are as clumsy as the questioner was last night. the biggest problem i think in the debate last night was when rick santorum identified the gra grandeosity. >> we had that sound bite for folks who didn't get a chance to see the debate. santorum on newt gingrich. >> grand os city has never been a problem with newt gingrich. i don't want a nominee that i have to worry about looking at the paper this next day worrying about what he's going to say next. >> you know, we're not auditions for a debating team. we're auditioning for the president of the united states. you can't have somebody that's really as irrational and perceives himself as winston churchill or the equivalent of margaret thatcher or charles degal. and i think rick santorum put that in context as being one of newt gingrich's biggest problems. the fact is, is we are electing a president of the united states to solve the problems that president obama has left us. i think last night, once again, as he focussed on the issues, governor romney, contrary to what your panel thinks, governor romney focused on the issues that america cares about. >> how come that's not gaining ground? when you look at the last poll numbers, he's been declining in the various polls and i know you have declared yourself as a supporter of mitt romney. why is that message not taking hold if he's the candidate a as opposed to the winner in your mind? >> the primary process has to go through. everything thinks this is going to be settled in one state or two states. this is a long slog. the way the rules are structured this time it's going to take a long time. we need 1143 delegates in order to win the nomination. governor romney is ready to take it forward. >> he got booed when he was asked about his taxes. i think we have a clip of that as well. let's play that. >> i don't know how many years i'll release. i'll take a look at what the -- what our documents are. i'll release a multiple years. i don't know how many years. >> why has this been such a struggle for him to get his message out about the taxes? because it's been stumbles, it's been booing, that was another low point in the debate, i thought. >> well, look, ron paul last night said he's not going to release his taxes. santorum said he's not going to release his taxes. >> that's not what he said. santorum said my taxes are on my computer. i haven't been home. i filed them myself. everyone laughed. it gave the sense he was the common man. ron paul said he doesn't make enough money it would be embarrassing. >> then the outcome of those two cute comments are that ron paul is not going to release his taxes, santorum is not going to release his taxes. gingrich released one year. and mitt romney said as soon as this year is done he's going to release them and multiple years. you tell me which the the most trans par rarnt of all of those, multiple years. >> people may say why not do it now before he becomes a candidate? >> because he wants to make one single package release and when this year's are done in april you'll get them all. >> or you could just release them twice. you realize that i think -- the question about the taxes has gone on and on. >> two guys with dribble stuff out for three or four months. the idea is to nominate somebody who is going to be president of the united states. are you going to be surprised seeing that mitt romney was successful in his tax snes. >> no, he said it several times in the debate last night, i'm proud of my success. >> so what do you think you're going to find in his tax snes the most important thing is to find things that could be an october surprise problem. >> who do you think is going to have that? >> newt gingrich has a serious problem with the package that the ethics commit tee had when they fined him $300,000. >> you said he should release that now? >> yes. absolutely. that's more important. bring out the laundry. that's more important than than anything else. nancy pelosi was on that group. if nancy pelosi knows, president obama knows. we ought to be able to know now. >> john sununu, thanks for being here. appreciate your time. we're going to take a short break. we're going to continue with the rnc chair right here in the diner, cafeteria this morning. back right after this. forty years ago, he wasn't looking for financial advice. back then he had something more important to do. he wasn't focused on his future. but fortunately, somebody else was. at usaa we provide retirement planning for our military, veterans and their families. now more than ever, it's important to get financial advice from people who share your military values. for our free usaa retirement guide, call 877-242-usaa. we earn more cash back for the things we buy most. it's 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% cash back on oscar. ...tony. oscar! 2% back on whatever she'll eat. 3% back on filling up this baby. 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part i'm proud of the candidates. they focused in on barack obama, the promises he made, what's being delivered in this country. in the end, this is going to be a referendum on barack obama and the failed promises he's fed the american people. >> do you think newt gingrich's performance last night right out of the gate sealed a victory here in south carolina? >> i don't know. and i think that all the candidates did pretty well last night. so i'm not really the -- >> do you think he won though? >> i don't know who won. in't really keeping score. i think the reality is that people in our party won last night because i think it was a very good debate. i think this week had a couple of good debates. i think the focus in on these debates for the most part in two-hour debate almost the entire thing was about the fact that barack obama promised us jobs, promised to get the debt and the economy under control and he hasn't delivered on any of it. for that part of it it was very good. >> you definitely felt a shift away from attacking each other. there were moments of that but not as much as in past debates and a focus on president obama. some people have said in an analysis they thought mitt romney had a poor debate. i'm going to play you some pieces of some of the stumbles he had last night. listen. >> sure. >> grandiostity has never been a problem for newt ggingrich. >> i was in business for 25 years. you're not going to get credit for my 25 years. >> romneycare does pay for tax paid abortions. he has written into it, planned parentho parenthood. >> that was actually some of the clips of where i think the candidates were attacking each oth other. at one point santorum said on the stage there are two people unleb unelectable. romney is out of touch because of money and newt gingrich is unreliable. does he have a good point? >> i don't know who has the winning point here to take out the other candidate. i don't know if that's what it's all about. i don't believe that's what it's about. i think this is sort of in my opinion patty cake. i don't consider this to be all that negative. i think the candidates have to differentiate themselves and, you know, there are going to be some jabs here and there. in the end it's going to be about barack obama, where this country is, are we on the right track or wrong track, and should we make a change with the presidency. it's up to us to make sure we have an articulate, intelligent alternative to a president who hasn't fulfilled his promises. that's what i'm concerned with. but i don't consider this all that bad. i mean, this is nothing compared to hillary clinton and barack obama. >> governor sununu said a moment ago when he was sitting there, he said that newt gingrich should bring out his ethics details about his ethics investigation from the 1990s and prior to in order to wring out the dirty laundry, i think were the words he used. >> who said that? >> governor sununu. >> okay. well, you know, he's helping out governor romney and other folks are speaking for others. listen, i'm the chairman of the republican national committee. this is about what the people here in south carolina and florida and nevada and the rest of the country thinks. at i think. i think quite frankly people are sick and tired of people from washington telling them how they should operate and how they should vote. i'm looking forward to the results here. most importantly i'm making sure that barack obama is a one-term president so we can save our country and in the process get this economy moving again. >> i can tell the talking points this morning, every answer shifts to the president. >> it's not about talking points. it's about what this president said and what the reality is. i think not talking points. i think it's real. i think our economy is in the ditch. i think that people are urt hing out there and we need to do something about it. >> thanks for talking with us. stay and have breakfast. we would love to have you. >> thank you. still ahead this morning, much more to talk about as we bring our panel back to talk about last night's debate and we'll talk about what happens as we head into the primary here in south carolina and what it means for florida. that's straight ahead. stay with us. i'm always looking out for small ways to be more healthy. like splenda® essentials™ no calorie sweeteners. this bowl of strawberries is loaded with vitamin c. and now, b vitamins to boot. coffee doesn't have fiber. unless you want it to. splenda® essentials™ are the first and only line of sweeteners with a small boost of fiber, or antioxidants, or b vitamins in every packet. mmm. same great taste with an added "way to go, me" feeling. splenda® essentials™. get more out of what you put in. welcome back, everybody. in just a moment we're going to update you on some of our top stories. also, herman cain is with us and he's going to tell white house he is endorsing. it's a little strange. we'll ask him about that. plus, south carolina congressman tim scott is here inside the diner. and he says he's going tone doors someone on my show. no, he didn't say that at all. i'm kidding. he didn't say that at all. i'm going to ask him if he will. that's what i continue right after this short break. ♪ there's a place i dream about ♪ ♪ where the sun never goes out ♪ ♪ and the sky is deep and blue ♪ ♪ won't you take me american flight 280 to miami is now ready for boarding. ♪ there with you fly without putting your life on pause. be yourself. nonstop. american airlines. stnch stnchts. look there. there's a big bus with herman cain's bus on it. >> such a modest bus. >> this is the berry patch cafe. welcome back. lots to get to this morning. herman cain is going to be our guest on just the other side of this. first, though, stories making news. hey, alina. >> good morning to you, soledad. we begin with breaks news. barbara starr says six service members killed in a helicopter crash in afghanistan late thursday are u.s. marines. the crash happened late yesterday in the southern afghan province of helmand. taliban has claimed responsibility in a text message to cnn. nato says there was no enemy presence in the area when the chopper crashed. this is the worst crash since august of last year that happened in eastern afghanistan. 30 soldiers were killed in that crash, including 22 elite navy s.e.a.l. commanders. human body parts recently discovered in the hollywood hills were found near actor brad pitt's home. they're interviewing his bodyguard for possible leads. they've now found a head, two hands and two feet. meanwhile, walkercovered that he park said she first thought it was a movie prop. a state of emergency declared a nevada where big fires near reno have forced some 10,000 people have to evacuate the area. 20 homes were destroyed so far. fire started yesterday afternoon and crews have had little luck containing it thanks in part to 80-mile-per-hour wind guszs. several nights at the local airport have either been canceled or diverted. canadian freestyle skier sarah burke died suffered a head injury and brain damage on a training run january 10th in utah. burke was considered a favorite to medal at the upcoming winter olympics after persuading them to add free skating to the games. sarah burke was 29 years old. minding your business now, u.s. stock futures are pointing to a mixed open. the dow and s&p 500 trading slightly especially up nasdaq futures, up just a bit. volatility over europe's debt crisis. they fear that greece is inching closing to defaulting on the debt obligations. european markets are down on those fears this morning. i'll be back in 30 minutes. soledad, back to you. >> all right, we look forward to seeing you in 30 minutes. thank you. we are back with our panel. we have herman cain joining our can neal. tim scott is here as well. i've been telling everybody that he's going to endorse on our show this morning. >> put the squeeze on him. >> i'm getting the squeeze all right. literally. >> roland martin is back with us. herman cain has endorsed already, congressman. i thought you were endorsement you said it was unconventional. you warned us for days it was different. >> i especially doors the people of the united states of america. >> i don't get it. i'm sorry, i really literally -- >> all right. here's the deal. it's unconventional because a lot of people are losing interest in this primary election because of the negativity. coming out of new hampshire, 24,000 less people went to the polls. that's not a good sign. >> because of the negativity or because people really just feel like they cannot settle on a candidate? >> that's part of it. but the other thing, in addition to that, the negativity that they can't settle on a candidate and a lot of other factors cause them to stay home. people have said to me since i got out of the campaign they're losing interest because they don't have their favorite candidate or perfect candidate. in there is no perfect candidate. my biggest concern is that the voter enthusiasm will drop too low and we won't be able to get it back. when i made my unconventional endorsement of the we the people, i want people to feel like their vote counts, that it matters because too many people feel as if their vote doesn't have an impact on this. >> how do you fire people around the race if you say the energy went out when you left the race, how do you inspire people? you're got knot getting back in the race. >> that's why i didn't do a conventional endorsement and i inspire people with solutions which is why i started solutions revolutions and 9-9-9 revolution. the people love it. i'm going to try to keep a lot of people focused on power -- it can happen from the ground up. if you get a ground swell on a solution that the people want, this is the point that i'm trying to drive home. if the people want it, there's a good chance that they'll do it. >> it's been a little surprising the level of engagement in the republican race hasn't been greater because republicans are as antagonistic about obama's performance and democrats were about bush performance in 2008 when we saw this enormous unprecedented surge on volunteering and voting. when thing that could change that is part of what made the democratic race compelling is the nature of this one-on-one dual that went on for an unpresenu unprecedented long time. if after south carolina we have more of a one-on-one race with gingrich and romney, it is possible. i think that will engage the republican electorate more than we've seen so far. most evidence it has not been the level of intensity you would expect in this environment. >> not seeing a small increase in number of voters in primaries. i think what you will see happening tomorrow is you will see a narrow down to gingrich from my perspective and romney going forward. that will create an opportunity for people to get engaged to choose a candidate when you have so many candidates, far more difficult to choose. >> ron paul. >> that's true. >> ron paul is not going anywhere. >> two-person race. >> he's still in the race though. he's not going anywhere. >> one at a time. i have four alpha males on my panel this morning. >> only one alpha here. look, look at you. look, i get the whole deal with the people. but i'm sorry, that endorsement makes no sense whatsoever. bottom line is people are also looking to say, wait a minute, who do you think represents your values, your interests, your ideals as opposed to just, you know, the people? and the other thing is, when it comes to inspiring the people, they need to trust the candidate. it's all, you can't say, well, you know, it's a negativity. it's the candidate. >> that's the problem. they don't trust washington. not all. they trust you. i'm serious about that. a lot of them they don't trust them. this is my whole point. they don't trust them. >> paul is from washington. santorum is from washington. gingrich spent a long time in washington. >> roland, you're missing my point. >> one at a time. >> you talk about it collectively, that's one thing. when you start identifying individuals, of course, tim's constituencies love him but they will tell you that washington in total is broken. >> i will say that washington is broken. >> you will say that. my point is this, tim said it. people are going to get more engaged when it comes down to two people. number one. number two, they still need to feel that their vote counts. that's what hasn't been happening. too many people have disengaged from the process. i'm trying to give them another reason, a solution to focus on to get excited. >> central dynamics dealing with tomorrow in south carolina and beyond is as the race narrows, can romney get above the ceiling? here certainly in south carolina there's a sense even in this campaign that probably about a third of the vote is his ceiling which is about what john mccain got in 2008. the issue is whether anybody can consolidate enough of the remainder of the party to get past him. at the beginning of the week it didn't look like it. now it looks like it might. if newt gingrich is able to win here going forward, of in a one-on-one race can -- or more on a one-on-one race can romney built in a way he hasn't? all of the polls done, every single national poll, he has reached 40 % only once, which sin credible for a guy who has been identified as front-runner and until yesterday -- >> ten seconds and then the tease. >> romney was in the running for the very long time. even in south carolina 20 nasdaq november. now find out 33%, 34%. i believe what's going to happen this is will back a two-person race. ron paul is not going anywhere. this will become in theory a two-person race which means mitt romney, newt gingrich. if newt wins tomorrow this race is going fon for a couple of more months. if he doesn't win tomorrow, i think florida will be the last stand he has. >> the other thing on the break is i believe tim scott is going to endorse someone. >> come on, man. step up. step up. >> i'm not endorsing you. >> step up. >> you know what -- >> no pressure. >> if it was me i know i would win. not the gop primary. but, you know. >> i know i lose. we know we can endorse you. >> no pressure but we will be putting it on him during the commercial break. back in a moment. stay with us. i'm giving you the silent treatment. so you're calling to tell me you're giving me the silent treatment? ummm, yeah. jen, this is like the eighth time you've called... no, it's fine, my family has free unlimited mobile-to-any-mobile minutes. i can call all i want. i don't think you understand how the silent treatment works. hello? [ male announcer ] buy unlimited messaging and get free unlimited calling to any mobile phone on any network. at&t. welcome back, everybody, we're coming to you at the ber -- from the berry patch cafe here in charleston, south carolina. this is "starting point." herman cain has joined our panel. congressman tim scott, ron brownstein and roland martin is taking over the panel. >> how are you? >> so good. let's get to it's. tim scott. >> yes. >> you have said you're doing to endorse somebody. and you know what? my new show would love to be able to say we had your endorsement on. who are you endorsing? >> nobody would make me happier to endorse on your show. i'm going to endorse sugar. if he can endorse the whole america, i'm going to endorse sugar ray. >> at least have a consensus on that. >> voted over the island. >> actually being serious. >> we are down to a two-person raceperspective. >> why not endorse one of those who people? it's a simple question. >> it is a simple question. the challenge is i have not decided who i'm going to vote for tomorrow. if you don't know who you're going to vote for it's hard to endorse somebody. >> give us your sense of the relative strengths and weaknesses? what's the relative calculation you're going through? >> mitt has done a good job of trying to run a campaign not to lose. unfortunately in the fourth quarter it doesn't work well. at the end of the game here in south carolina is that mitt's intensity has -- is waning. what you see happening at the same time is newt is gaining strength because he's being attacked. the first question last night gave him a standing ovation. as much because of the question and the timing of abc's release of the interview than anything else. what south carolinians and i think americans as a whole have in common is that we are growing more and more skeptical of the media's role in deciding our presidency. -- our president. because of that there's no question when he was asked the question last night, his simple but strong rebuke got him a standing ovation and that may be why he won the debate last night. >> people in the audience, because i was on the floor of the debate, they would say to me they were happy to boo the media. they love the boo the media and they said that they didn't like the question and then they were cheering every time gingrich said something because he was on and funny. but many of them, most of them, overwhelmingly they said i'm going to go home and google it because i'm interested in it and they said character of a candidate is important to them. these are from 18-year-old boys to 65-year-old ladies. >> absolutely. >> the challenge, how do you prove that it's true? that's the question. if you have pictures and videos in today's world, skeptics. >> great job, really far away from the question of who you want to endorse. there was very good. very adept. go on "dancing with the stars". here's the question for you. who do you think -- i'll hook you up. who do you think, though, has a better shot at beating president barack obama come november because clearly that's what your goal is. >> absolutely. >> gingrich, santorum, paul, who is it? >> i would say two folks left that can beat president obama. >> agreed. >> that would be newt gingrich and mitt romney for very different reasons. >> yes. >> if it comes down -- equal for you? >> i'm trying to -- by tomorrow -- by tomorrow i'm going to have to be in the position to make this decision. the fact of the matter is when you look at the organization that romney has, you look at the ability to raise money, you got to say that that is a better long-term strategy. >> good strategy. and then newt gingrich. >> newt gingrich, if you want a one-on-one debate and you can have seven of them as he suggested thark real suggested, that really works to his advantage because the more they hit him the better he gets. >> here's my question for you is what's going to happen between right now and tomorrow that's going to make you pick? are they literally 50/50? >> they're very close in my mind. my decision will happen at the ballot box. >> their philosophies are completely different. how can you -- >> being in congress, one of the things i'm depending on is a very conservative congress pulling whichever president we have to the right. that's where the anchor is. the anchor is in congress being able to make sure the president governs to the right because we have a choice. and either choice is better than the current president. therefore, we'll find ourselves making a very difficult choice but florida will make it easier. in south carolina the choice will be either romney or newt. it's a photo finish. >> we're going to go to a commercial break. go ahead. >> they can both beat obama and the negatives are different. romney's going to get -- that's strategic. strategically versus here's pic here's the person who philosophically i believe what they're bringing to the american people. >> they are not that far apart. >> i'll do anything to win. >> no. >> i'm going to take this candidate. or you're saying i believe personally that this -- >> not even close. >> i think this is right. this is an unusual year where the candidates are following the party rather than leading the party. i think the party by and large has set an agenda they want for the republicans to carry into the fall. these candidates are really auditioning for who can be most trusted to implement and deliver that agenda. i want to ask you a quick question. your comparison of gingrich and romney got to the point that santorum made in the debate. he said newt gingrich was a great gorilla leader, great thinker. when it came time for running something, the house, he could not do it very well. in four years his own team threw him out. does that give you pause about him in the executive job being the president which is a lot more to run than being speaker of the house. >> there are a lot of factors you have to consider. one of the factors is is the chief executive the person who can build a team? if he can't build a team, you can't succeed in america. so one of the parts of the equation that i'm looking at includes how do you build a team? will they follow you? not can you get them to say yes to the job. will they say yes when it's time in the heat of the battle to make good decisions an you don't override the decisions. there's a lot to take into consideration. romney seems to have a strong desire to have a team concept. >> i've got to throw in a question about race because newt gingrich, of course, took a loft flak and has gone back and forth in the debates about the food stamp president, has talked about the naacp and african-americans would rather get off food stamps and get paychecks. i think we have a clip of it. let's listen. >> i am prepared if the naacp invites me, i'll go to their convention and talk about why the african-american community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps. >> so president carter said that this was sort of the subtlety of racism. sort of using words, coded words, in order to send a message to voters and so -- >> let me -- >> let me just say. we have the most black people ever around the table for "starting point" in the history of "starting point" which is only three weeks old. go ahead. >> i usually don't get that intense. that is ridiculous, when they talk about coded words. that's talking about race. take race out of it. it has nothing to do with it. some people are trying to use that as a distraction. this country is in a crisis. let's focus on that. race shouldn't be an issue. >> naacp, why didn't he simply say -- >> more white people are on food stamps than black people. >> no, no, no when you specifically say if the naacp invites me, then i'm going to talk about this subject. he didn't say i'm going to go to naacp. i'm going to discuss economic reform or education. >> you miss the point. he has never been invited he's simply saying, invite me. that's what he's saying. >> no, no, no, he said if you invite me -- come on now. >> no. no. >> one at a time. >> without any question, newt gingrich has done more to try to increase the size of the footprint in the republican party than almost any other candidate you see on the stage. he has been forceful in his objective of making sure that they have a significant and serious role in the republican party. >> it wasn't one comment. with all due respect, you know that comment was repeated several times and other versions of that involve poor children in the inner city. it's my show. af got to get a point in occasionally. >> you look at what he was saying. he was drilling down to the work ethic of the average american. if there's a way to restore the work ethic of people. >> sir, i have to stop you. he did not. he was drilling down to the work ethic of poor people in the inner city which, by the way, he's talking about minorities. that's what he's talking about. >> there are no poor whites? >> he doesn't do it to the exclusion of anybody. in that one comment, you can take it any way you want. >> that's my point. >> one at a time. people, i can't hear mr. cain. >> the point being made instead of food stamps, paychecks, he was referring to creating jobs and getting this economy going. >> you're going to have the final word on this because i've got to go to commercial break. remember, it's what pays our bills. keeps "starting point" on the air. >> stops the spin too. >> it lets me take a moment to get it all back together. short break. we're back right after this. forty years ago, he wasn't looking for financial advice. back then he had something more important to do. he wasn't focused on his future. but fortunately, somebody else was. at usaa we provide retirement planning for our military, veterans and their families. now more than ever, it's important to get financial advice from people who share your military values. for our free usaa retirement guide, call 877-242-usaa. welcome back, everybody. you're looking at the inside of the berry patch cafe. can you tell we've just taken over the place. every day we grow a little bit more. >> roland is eating. >> he had the healthiest. that's cold from this side of the table. we brought will cain back into our panel because congressman tim scott had to run. want to welcome everybody back. we were having our conversation about racial coding. i thought you were making a great point about that. let's bring us up to speed and we'll move on. >> real quick. i think it is almost, almost irrelevant whether newt gingrich or other republicans are racially coding or not when they talk about food stamps and other entitlement programs. reality is that there is a fundamental chasm in the role of government between whites who are ruling into a much bigger skepticism. african-americans are the minorities who continue to believe that an activist government in training and health care is necessary to move them and their kids into the middle class. we are moving toward an intense racial polarization in our voting. republicans won a higher share of white voting. it's possible that barack obama can win the presidency. whether they need it or not, that's where we're going. >> got it. stop. we're going to lose you in about one minute. you have 30 seconds to make your point, sir, then we're going to let you go. >> i fundamentally reject the idea of racial coding. i think that is ridiculous. i don't think it's intentional. i think people look for certain words and they want to call it racial coding. it's a distraction. >> does a group of people who feel like they are being racially coded to some degree if you grow a party, you're trying to reach voters, at the end of the day doesn't it matter more like people who feel that some of these statements are being directed their way? you want a party that's going to be inclusive. the country is becoming more racially diverse, that's a problem. >> if you have the media telling them that it's racial coding, they're going to buy it. if you've got people out there talking about that. i totally reject this whole idea of racial coding. >> i'm going to steal -- i'm going to steal. >> don't code or divide me. >> i'm going to steal your line. i totally reject, sir, because i like it, because i like it. we're about to hit the start of the 8:00 hour. we lose herman cain. 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's shaking hands. he's still campaigning. . we've got a lot to talk about this morning. first we want to get to some other stories making news. let's get to alina cho. she's at the news desk. >> good morning. we begin with breaking news. cnn has just confirmed that six service members killed in a helicopter crash in afghanistan are u.s. marines. the crash happened late thursday in the southern afghan province of helmud. the taliban has claimed responsibility in a text message to cnn. nato says there was no enemy presence in the area when the chopper went down. the search for survivors inside that italian cruiseship kk has be "costa concordia" has been suspended. you are looking live at pictures. right now it's teetering eight feet away from the edge of a rock formation. if it shifts a little bit more, it could go over the edge and plunge more than 200 feet. that would almost certainly cause the gas tanks to implode sending 500,000 gallons of fuel into the sea. later this morning a hearing gets underway in the case of a rutgers university student who allegedly used a web cam to stream footage of his roommate's sexual encounter with another man. he goes on trial next month on invasion of privacy charges when his 18-year-old roommate, tyler clemente realized what happened, he committed suicide jumping off the george washington bridge. >> the pacific northwest is just getting pounded weather wise. ice storms have knocked out power to a quarter million homes in the seattle area and parts of oregon are also dealing with severe flooding. justice department and fbi websites are back on line right now after allegedly being hacked by the group anonymous. those hack attacks are said to be in retaliation for criminal charges leveled against the content sharing site megaupload.com. it's moving day for atlantis. retired space shuttle is leaving its processing hanger. it will be moved to nasa's vehicle assembly building where it will be prepared for public display in the kennedy space center's visitor complex in 2013. minding your business now, u.s. stock futures pointing to a flat opening right now. there has been lots of volatility in the markets recently over europe's debt crisis. google says its social networking site called google plus has gained 90 million users since it launched in june. that's the good news. the bad news, google stock dropping about 7.5% overnight after earnings missed estimates. the company says profits were lower than analysts expected because spending lots of money growing its business and hiring more workers. soledad, i'm going to see you one more time in 30 minutes. back to you where you're having way too much fun in that diner? south carolina. >> is it coming across as fun, really? >> it is. >> stressful to me. all right, alina. thank you. right here in south carolina the race is now closer than ever. that's ahead of saturday's primary. newt gingrich is gaining momentum. a poll from american research group shows a dead heat. 33 percent percent of likely republican voters are backing newt gingrich. we've got 32% backing mitt romney according to that poll. the debate last night may have helped gingrich win over south carolina voters. it opened up with a strong response to questions about gingrich's ex-wife's claims that he wanted an open marriage. he was able to turn what was a potential negative into a very positive moment in the debate. listen. >> your ex-wife in an interview to abc news, another interview to the washington post. the story has gone viral. in it she says you came to her in 1999 at a time when you were having an affair. she says you asked her, sir, to enter into an open marriage. would you like to take some time to respond to that? >> no, but i will. [ applause ] >> i think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office, and i am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. the story is false. every personal friend i have who knew us in that period says the story was false. we offered several of them to abc to prove it was false. they weren't interested because they would like to attack any republican. >> so here is what marianne gingrich told abc last night. >> i said to him, newt, we've been married a long time, and he said, yes, but you want me all to yourself. calista doesn't care what i do. >> what was he saying to you, do you think? >> he was asking to have an open marriage, and i refused. >> senior political analyst david gergen says gingrich's response at the debate to those claims is a game changer. here's what he said. >> speaker gingrich got a standing ovation in this auditorium for saying it was basically a completely inappropriate question. >> and he also scored points in the monday night debate by attacking ron williams questions. i had a conversation with him after. you've moderated those, dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. it's a story that is making a rise in the campaign. is it an issue? i'm happy it came up, of course not. is it an issue that voters knit state are talking about? is it an issue that he several times before the debate talked about in a very calm manner? >> talked about it today earlier in a much different manner. you knew -- how much of this was debate theatrics on his part? did you know he was going to have that response? >> i knew he was going to challenge the question. i don't read minds. i don't want to make a judgment about the speaker's response. i've been covering politics for 25 years. i understood that if i asked the question he was not going to be happy with it and he was going to turn on me. knew that coming in. again, you make the judgment call. is it an issue in the debate? might not be a great issue. might not be an issue we like to talk about, but it is an issue in the debate. some of the candidates are talking about it, voters are talking about it in the state. it was my judgment, my decision, and mine alone. if we're going to deal with it, let's deal with it up front. let's try not to sneak it in. people either agree or disagree. you make the decision, ask the question. this is politics. 's trying to promote himself. of course he's going to attack us. we had a nice conversation afterwards. i've had a long relationship with the speaker. we don't always get along. >> what do you think? >> this is one of the most explosive moments we've seen in debate history. >> debate history? >> it was also one of the most harshest attacks we've had on the press that i can remember in a long, long time. very personal. as a political matter i think gingrich saw a fastball coming and he smacked it out of the park. i think there's a reasonable chance after talking to people here tonight that he can win south carolina based on that answer. >> want to bring in now republican governor bob donald of virginia. we're joined by david frump. ron brownstein is still with us. thanks for talking with us, governor. you have said that you are endorsing mitt romney and yet really the story this morning is newt gingrich. newt gingrich in polling, newt gingrich in his performance, if you'll call it that, in the debate last night. are you having any second thoughts? >> not at all. hey, good morning, soledad. i hope you guys are having a great breakfast in south carolina. i'll be down there later today. i'm endorsing mitt romney because i think he's the right leader at the right time. 's got a proven record of doing that in the public and private sector. i think he's the best chance to be able to defeat president obama in november. so i'm thrilled to be supporting mitt romney. i've said for a long time a current or former governor would be the best leader for america, and he's the one i'm supporting. >> you know what's interesting, you were at a town hall with congressman tim scott who was joining us around the breakfast table a few minutes ago. he was sort of saying that he can't endorse anybody because he genuinely feels split. it's an electability issue on one hand. mitt romney is better organized, seems to have sort of the long haul better planned out. ideologically and philosophically he feels closer to newt gingrich. here is what rick santorum said about newt gingrich last night. i want to play a little bit from the debate. listen. >> and i've laid out what i've replaced it with. first it's a bill that does care with people who have pre-existing conditions. they've got a pre-existing condition and they've been previously insured, they won't be denied insurance. secondly, i'll allow people to own their own insurance rather than being able to get it from their employer. >> governor romney tells a very nice story about what his plan is now. it wasn't in his plan when he was in a position to do a plan. when he was governor of massachusetts he put forward romney care which was not a bottom up free market system. >> grandiosity has never been a problem with newt gingrich. i don't want a nominee that i have to worry about looking at the paper and worry about what he's going to say next. >> governor, mcdone, good morning. following up on those comments because virginia has been at the forefront of the litigation from republican states trying to overturn the individual mandated health care. senator santorum was saying that republicans can't rely on mitt romney to make a sharp contrast with president obama over the individual mandate because he really is the one who brought it back to live in his op ed case in the boston globe in 2004. >> i think that's just flat wrong. what's worth litigating against the obama administration is to say that the federal government can mandate that an individual within a state has to buy a product of insurance or you get fined. the states have that option to do that, different states make different choices. what mitt romney said is, look, as the president of the united states on my first day in office i'll do everything i can to unwind obama care administratively and then i'll pursue legislation to override it if the supreme court doesn't do it. i think that's right. he undersfanlds federalism. that's why i'm supporting a governor in this case. they understand that goftd closest to the people works best. they can't make executions like this president continues to make where we've got a surplus of rhetoric. mitt romney doesn't do that. he takes responsibility. he creates jobs. he's the leader america needs to turn the economy around. that's why i'm supporting him. >> governor, roland martin here. >> good morning. >> newt gingrich, more in line -- >> good morning. he's more in line with the tea party than mitt romney is. can mitt romney get them enthused for his candidacy? president obama won virginia 2008. can he do it to get them excited to back him in the race? you need to have their enthusiastic back to go defeat president obama? >> absolutely. i've been so impressed with mitt romney in these debates about his positive optimistic vision for america, his quotes of ronald regan about america being the shining city on the hill. that's what we need. people are hurting in america right now, roland. they want jobs. they want to see this crushing national debt that obama's rung up over the last three years put to bed with tax cuts and spending cuts. mitt romney's a proven leader getting elected in a blue state and governing as a conservative. i'm a pro-family military veteran and that's how we've -- that's the kind of people we've got in our state that want to see that kind of nominee. mitt romney's going to win virginia. i think he's going to win south carolina. he's the best guy to beat president obama. >> about 24 hours ago, maybe a little bit more than that, 36 hours ago people were really talking about the inevitability of mitt romney. he had won iowa, he had won new hampshire. he was polling to win south carolina. >> right. >> then really 12 hours later everything changed. i'm wondering if now, what is the strategy with newt gingrich surging? are we going to see the super pac come in and as romney's super pac has done in the past start flooding the air waves to take newt gingrich out? >> soledad, i wouldn't call a 12 or 24-hour post debate bump a surge. i think mitt has always known south carolina was going to be tough. look, he's on a roll. he's won two primaries so far. i'm a southern governor endorsing mitt romney in the first southern state primary. the governor of south carolina has endorsed him as well. i think hopefully that will help him some. he's the one that's been consistent. other candidates have been up and down. he is the consistent, results oriented conservative who has the best record and the best message on jobs and on cutting spending. that's what people are going to be voting for. that's what americans need right now. governor, david frum here. you're a popular governor in a southern state who has achieved popularity by being very focused on governments, really picking your issues. when you look at newt gingrich, get beyond electability, what kind of president do you think a president gingrich would be? >> i like all of these republican candidates, every one of them are good conservatives who will be far better presidents than the president that we've got now on jobs, on energy, on understanding that this is a nation of opportunity, not guarantees, which is what this president is moving us towards. listen, i'm here to support mitt romney. and the reasons for that is he is the leader to turn the economy around and cut spending and lead us into an optimistic future. that's the message and that's the whole issue in this campaign. president obama continues to blame everybody but himself for the direction of the country. 8% unemployment or more for 35 straight months. we can't have that. mitt romney's created 125,000 jobs in the private sector. he knows how to do it. he won't make excuses. he's the guy to get this job done so i'm behind him. >> governor, i like everybody. i have no comment on your question. virginia governor bob mcdonnell with us. >> see you down there. >> we'll see you then. thank you. still ahead this morning, the democratic congressman jim cliburn is going to give us his thoughts on the debate and what candidate the dems would like. president obama talking about the taliban. plus did you know president obama can hold a tune? 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who do you want to go against? >> well, i don't think we're in the business of picking our opponent, but i do believe that we are ceiling a lot of definition coming to this campaign. but i would caution all democrats that this election is going to be won or lost based upon what's happening within people's families, within their homes, and i would not get too caught up on which room. i think it's all about the kitchen table and all these issues about what may or may not take place in bedrooms. it will not carry the day for us. >> one of the things you could tell in this debate was all of the candidates were trying hard to attack each other less and focus on president obama. i want to play a little bit of what mitt romney said. i want to focus on his business career and success. let's play this. >> you're a speaker four years. i was in business 25 years. >> right. >> so you're not going to get credit for my 25 years, number one. number two, i don't recall a single day saying, oh, thank heavens washington is this for me. thank heavens. i said, please get out of my way. let me start a business and put americans to work. >> he got some boos last night, but that was one of just a couple lines where he got applause, which is i'm a businessman. i can fix the economy. ultimately isn't this what people are going to vote on? >> well, being a businessman is one thing. how you employ business practices is still another. and i think that what he's going to have to answer for is not so much for the businesses that he ran but what he did with his income. did he re-invest in these communities? did he, in fact, help the economy or whether or not the jobs that were created, these 120,000 jobs, i'm beginning to believe that those jobs were created somewhere off shore where his money was and that's what he's going to have to answer for. >> one of the biggest issues that president obama has to face, dealing with blue collar workers. when you look at michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, even virginia, you talk about florida, move out west to colorado, new mexico, nevada, arizona, do you believe president obama can make a stronger argument appealing to those workers than someone like mitt romney with the amount of money that he has, the kind of companies that he created, laying off people? who makes the stronger argument to the working man, working woman? >> well, look, we have to remember that white, blue collar workers have always had a problem with the democratic line for a long time now, since the 1960s. that's not going to change with obama. i think that the extent to which he can get those blue collar workers to think beyond the social issues, get to the bread and butter issues, demonstrate that he is, in fact, growing this economy, getting them back to work because their bookkeeping takes place around the kitchen table. they are concerned about people's bottom lines. whether or not romney made millions. they'll be concerned whether or not they can educate their children, pay their bills and enjoy a two-week vacation. >> we're going to hit a commercial break. we're going to ask you to stick around with us congressman. when we come back we'll continue our conversation right after this. stay with us. 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[ laughs ] hey! welcome back, everybody. you're looking at the outside of the berry patch cafe. we are on the inside where they have generously given up like 80% of their cafe for us. it's packed because we've taken up all the middle part of the cafe. we're continuing our conversation with congressman jim clyburn. david, you were going to ask a question. >> i was struck last night. newt gingrich managed to do two things. he said i'm the real conservative and tea party candidate. by the way, i'm the guy who you can count on to get federal dollars to dredge charleston harbor. tell me a little bit about that harbor and is it one of the reasons why you've seen a little bit of an ebbing of tea party furvor here in south carolina. that is going to need federal dollars? >> that is exactly right. thank you so much for asking that. it's not just charleston, it's georgetown. we have two harbors here. right now we have all of our farmers using the wilmington port rather than the georgetown port, which is right in their county, simply because they cannot take the ships. so we've got to do the dredging if it's ever going to benefit the economy the way it should. so people now understand. >> republicans? >> no, i'm an earmark guy. i really am. the charleston harbor needs earmarking. they need to get the harbor down to the depths that it should be. that's what's happening in georgia. if you saw the secretary of transportation, they went down to georgia and said we're going to spend $600 million that's necessary to do this. that could have been south carolina, but it's not simply because we could not get the cooperation from the tea party to get the money necessary. >> congressman jim clyburn, i know we lose you after this break. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i know you're taking some grits with you. i know you taking some grits with you. >> still to come this morning, been hearing all about this explosive retort that happened from newt gingrich right off the bat at the debate last night. this morning we talk to two reporters who have interviewed newt gingrich's ex-wife marianne. ask them what their thoughts were about last night's debate. president obama talking about the taliban. straight ahead. so, how was school today ? i have to be a tree in the school play. good. you like trees. well, i like climbing them, but i've never been one. good point. 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"the new york times" reports an expert psychiatric panel is narrowing the definition which critics say will make it harder for many to meet the criteria to get health services. legendal green was in the house but it was president obama who brought down the house and the crowd to the feet when he broke into song during a fundraiser at new york's apollo theater. listen to him belting out a line from the green classic, "let's stay together." >> and then to know that reverend al green was here. ♪ i am so in love with you all right. so, soledad, it might be a tough re-election fight, but the president's got some pipes on him. >> if only that's what the election is going to hinge on it would really be a walk for him. maybe not. alina, thank you. appreciate that. newt gingrich, roland, shush. i'll introduce the panel. roland martin is with us, ron brownstein is with us again. newt gingrich is gaining momentum because he had a strong performance in last night's debate. lots of cheers for him. the audience was very into what he was saying. his most power full response was right in the beginning. he blasted the media for talking about his ex-wife's claims that he wanted an open marriage, allegations that he said were false. there are two reporters who have interviewed marianne gingrich. james grimaldi and john richardson is a yieter at large for esquire magazine. i want to begin before we get to questions with a little clip of brian ross's interview that aired on "abc news." listen. >> been married a long time, and he said, yes, but you want me all to yourself. callista doesn't care what i do. >> what was he saying to you, do you think? >> oh, he was asking to have an open marriage, and i refused. >> let's begin with you, james. walk me through anything that's new in the story. as we mentioned coming in, parts of it were in the "washington post," already in "esquire" magazine. what was different in this interview? >> i think you could say that i talked to marianne gingrich briefly after the debate and obviously there's a difference of opinion here. mr. gingrich is denying it and in essence i guess calling her a liar. she's sticking by her story. she said, it's the truth and it's pretty consistent with what she told me and she told brian ross and she told john richardson over a period of time. so she's been relatively consistent. i have not interviewed mr. gingrich on this topic but i have interviewed marianne gingrich. you know, she's pretty convincing, at least to me. as far as what's new from overnight. you know, the polls aren't in, but i assume that john king has dropped in the ratings. that's a joke obviously. >> he's not -- i realize that. he's into the running to be a candidate for president of the united states eventually. doesn't matter on his point. let me ask john a question because i do think there is a good question about timing. and newt gingrich brought it up last night in the comments that he said. let me play you a little bit of what newt gingrich said in response to john king's question and then we'll talk about timing on the other side of it. listen. >> the story is false. every personal friend i have who knew us in that period says the story was false. we offered several of them to abc to prove it was false. they weren't interested because they would like to attack any republican. they're attacking the governor, they're attacking me. i'm sure they'll get around to senator santorum and congressman paul. i am tired of the elite media protecting barack obama by attacking republicans. >> so he attacked the media, attacked barack obama even in that. but i think a very valid point was one of the timing of the interview. what's your take on that, john? >> first off, she talked to me 18 months ago. marianne has waited 12 years to talk about this. i think that people are sort of assuming that she's a bitter ex-wife. >> john, let me stop you for a second. hey, john, i'm going to stop you. forgive me. we're going to get your mic issues fixed. we can't hear you. let me throw it back to james while we tweak your mic issues so i can get the next question to you. i was going to ask you about the timing issue which is what he was having an issue with. go ahead. >> marianne gingrich, according to a source, thought that interview was actually going to run after the south carolina primary. she told me yesterday, she said she thought the interview was going to be inevitable. she hadn't done a television interview since the divorce. newt gingrich was surging in the polls. she thought she was going to have to talk about it at some point. she was sort of the silent woman out there. she's an old political hand. she was hand in glove with newt gingrich for 18 years of that marriage. it was a political marriage. and she knows in politics you've got to get your story out there before the other guy defines you. she had not spoken with newt gingrich since the divorce so she was worried there were some whisper campaigns out there that were going to start trashing her, throwing mud her way so she wanted her story out there. let it be told and have at t. she thought it was unavoidable. >> and, john, have you spoken to marianne gingrich? what was her take on the debate and sort of the response of her ex-husband while he was standing behind the podium? >> well, i didn't speak to her last night, but i'd just like to say, i think that marianne has, i think, lots of reasons for what she's doing. i mean, obviously she's not happy with being abandoned, lied to for years and then abandoned for a younger woman, but i think there is an element of genuine patriotism in this. when i spoke to her she had turned down interviews for many years and she said i'll only speak if he really runs for president because i don't think he should be president. and, you know, we're focusing right now on one thing, which is adultery, which is a very personal thing. but in the story that marianne tells, which is the story of an 18 year long marriage in "esquire" she talks about a lot of behavior that's consistent with the kind of lying and, you know, manipulation that goes along with adultery. a lot of erratic behavior. breakdowns, mania, and a lot of things that make you think that all of this forms a pattern that you don't want in your president. i think santorum got it quite right. he said, you don't know with mr. gingrich when he's going to pop and what's going to happen, and i think that that's really what marianne is all about and why she came forward. >> john, richard has been joining us, and james, gentlemen, thank you very much. both of those articles are very interesting reads. i hope folks will google them and take a look. appreciate it. still ahead this morning, cnn's fareed zakaria has sat down and talked with president obama about foreign policy including peace talks with the taliban. we'll chat about that on the other side of the break. stay with us. essing. not financially. so we switched to the bargain detergent but i found myself using three times more than you're supposed to and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back to tide. they're cuter in clean clothes. thanks, honey. yeah. you suck at folding. 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( announcer ) fly without putting your life on pause. be yourself nonstop. american airlines. welcome back, everybody. in the debate last night they stole our idea for end point. what would you do looking back on your campaign here in the nutshell is what the candidates said? what would you do differently? >> i would skip the opening three months where i hired regular consultants and tried to figure out how to be a normal candidate. >> i would work to get 25 more votes in iowa, thast for sure. >> you know what, i wouldn't change a thing. >> i think if i spoke a little slower, with more conviction i could do a better job. >> all right. so i'm going to ask you the same question. what would you do differently today -- no, i'm kidding. i'm going to ask you though what is your "end point" for the morning? >> once again the south carolina republican primary living up to its reputation as the most ee lick try fieg contest. voters have the opportunity to end or extend the race. it's looking like they may choose the latter. >> gingrich thrilled the room last night with his answer to the ex-wife. i don't think that is going to work over the long haul. republicans are going to realize when you buy gingrich you're buying a lot of history, including relitigating clinton impeachment. >> i feel so bad for rick santorum. it's like newt gingrich was mickey mantle and he was roger marres. everybody is talking about gingrich. santorum had his best debate of the entire cycle and no one will talk about him. he's sitting there going, man, newt beat me again. that's unfortunate. >> will cain has promised that this is going to be the best "end point" ever. >> okay. bring it, big boy. >> the hardest thing in this business for us is to get a candidate moment, a real answer out of a political candidate. they reveal who they are. at their core ron paul admits he's a bad salesman. at his core gingrich said it's somebody else's fault. at his core, romney really, really wants more votes. >> way to go. >> here is my "end point." it kind of goes to your point. the race is getting interesting. i am dying to see what's going to happen in south carolina as romney's inevitability drops. gingrich really could make it a one on one race. that's our "end point." we have to say a big thank you to our friends at the bear e patch cafe. we're very, very grateful. something i've got to tell you. the owner for this bear e patch are john and susan halls. susan has end stage

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