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out the door. we're going to talk to a family member of the victims who says they've been left now without any answers. no one is talking to them. and then, a tragedy. i'm not even a really big football fan. that was so sad to watch, the tide rolling over my favorite lsu. of course, they were thrilled because it was revenge approximately we'. we'll talk about that. and former chief white house staff, they're going to talk about the former governor's late surge. texas a&m going to get into it with tebow. all that and much more aheard this morning on "starting point." we begin right now. good morning. welcome. that's what it looks like outside. and chen inside at cha says bacho, the voter, starting earlier in dixon notch. nine registered voters. here's how it turned out. huntsman and romney tied, 2-2. gingrich and paul got one vote apiece. and obama got three votes. we're expecting some new poll numbers this morning from suffolk, university. we've been following the suffolk poll day by day. and the most recent one, romney 13 points ahead of ron paul. huntsman is 20 points behind in third place. and if you look at the american research poll, romney is at 38%. huntsman is at 18%. we're watching the poll numbers. we'll update those for you during this morning. let's get right to dan lothian this morning at a polling center that just opened 1 1/2 minutes ago. i'm going to introduce the rest of the folks we're talking with. we've got david joining us again this morning, will cane from "the blaze" who did not finish breakfast yesterday. hillary rosen is us, ron browns seen from national journal. i'm getting better of getting the lengthy titles in. dan lothian, the polls are open. are you expecting a lot of folks at this early part of the day? >> we are petting a lot of folks. yes, they opened up a short time ago and long line of folks coming here to cast their votes. as you were talking a the polls, we've been looking at who is up and who is down. mitt romney has had a big lead here in the state of new hampshire and the fight has been for second place. now is a chance for the real vote to take place. this no longer a poll. and those undecideds who have been trying figure out who they're going to line up behind will finally come in here and get a chance to cast their vote. a snapshot of how busy this place was in 2008, we're told they had a big, large numbers here. in fact, they ran out of ballots and they had to request more ballots from the city clerk. the numbers at that time, john mccain got 799 votes here. and, of course, mitt romney got 731 votes. not only voters showing up here today though. three of the candidates, romney, gingrich, and huntsman, will also be coming by here to do some last-minute stomping. soledad? >> and it's always amazing because there's a tv camera there and then the candidates show up. amazing. it's stunning. thanks, dan. we're going to include you in this conversation as we turn to our panel. new hampshire is akd second place. romney has been consistently far ahead. >> although we're not only so great at predicting new hampshire. remember what happened in democratic primary. >> every poll shows him ahead by 15 points, really? >> ten-point swing in 2008, too. but i'll give you romney's going to win today. >> then second place. what do we think about? >> first of all, margin will matter. second place will matter and third place will matter. iowa seems to be that romney could be beaten but it wasn't clear whether anybody in the field could actually beat him. new hampshire could give you the same kind of effect. especially if romney's overall vote total is relatively low. show consistent resistance to him. a field having trouble coalescen around one alternative in part because ron paul who has a ceiling on his support really seems to be a blocking back position if he comes in second. >> there's an argument that says having the other people in the field is helping romney. >> absolutely. >> how so? >> well, because fracturing out the alternative vote. as long as romney doesn't have one challenger he remains in a good position. the actual delegates in new hampshire, for that matter iowa, are meaningless. what they're climbing for is your attention, media's attention. >> i'm in. i'm giving attention. >> absolutely. >> piggyback off that. >> second and third. >> will huntsman do enough to remain in the conversation, to remain in the race. and will santorum do so little he falls out of the conversation. >> look toward south carolina. >> yes. >> speaking like santorum and many people have said what a big mistake to focus on new hampshire, he should have gone right to south carolina. he's polling strongly. ultimately you try to see, does it matter by the time you get to south carolina. >> i think the fourth and fifth in this case matters because the question is going to come out of new hampshire is how dead is perry, who is the only person who could have taken this thing away from romney. if perry is in fifth place he's just dead. >> sixth might be good. >> fifth might be good. >> and meanwhile, gingrich who is not in the top three, again, is about to launch the most amazing self emulation in america. >> as he brings down mitt romney, potentially. >> murder suicide. >> that's what i'm saying. >> south carolina clrks is a very regular party machine, when they see someone who cannot possibly win the nomination going after the guy who can, cutting president obama's campaign ads for him, that that is going to hurt gingrich and it's going to -- it is going to lock things up even more. >> i asked mitt romney about this yesterday, his events. the bane attacks really is what everybody is expecting as we head into south carolina. here's what he said. listen. >> newt gingrich is now being funded by a super pact with a bill of something like $5 million to his name and he says he's going to go after your work at bane. >> gee, i thought he apologized for going after my record. wasn't that just a couple weeks ago? i thought it was going to come from the president and the democrats from the left. but instead it's coming from speaker gingrich and apparently others. >> so there are some people who say, right, this is -- he's doing the work, newt gingrich, doing the work of the democrats. another theory that says floated out ahead of time. have the bane conversation ahead of time so that by the time you get into the general election, everyone has heard it. >> well, i think two things. first of all, the reason why this is going to be effective against romney regardless of whether it's in the primary or the general is because romney is out there saying i'm a turn-around guy. i can fix the economy. and here the bane experience is going to be when he turned companies around, people lost their jobs if that's what he would do as president. wait. one more point is that in a primary right now, this is different. the republican establishment, it may not be right about mitt romney on this. rick santorum and newt gingrich and jon huntsman are finding economic populous, blue collar workers who want to vote republican who are uncomfortable with mitt romney's eliteness wall street background. he might -- might be -- >> literally, physically, will is wright ithing in pain. >> people are going to continue to feel that vibe. that's why, you know, it's not necessarily, you know, only killing obama, it may be helping an alternative republican that has a better shot with those voter sfwls you big into your breakfa breakfast. we've got to go to christine romans who has updates with other stories. christine, we know that this morning there was this major speech made by the syrian president assad. what has the reaction been to his speech? >> good morning. president assad making a rare speech this morning and hs blaming the media, soledad, and foreign conspiracies for trying to destabilize his country and trying to get the arab world on his side. meantime, more people are dying. accusing the president of organizer massacre on villages. cnn has been shut out of this country for months. nic robertson though is among the first western journalists allowed in but had his equipment taken away which is why he's joining me on phone from damascus. good morning, nic. what can you tell us about what's happen ing there? >> reporter: christine, demonstrations, anti-government demonstrations are continuing today. nothing that president assad said in a almost two-hour speech will appeal to the opposition. he didn't say that he was going to take his gun, tanks, and soldiers off the streets, which has been a demand of the arab league here. he appealed to his already steady large support base. he's trying to boost the country for the fact that this present situation is going to go on for a long time. that was the first of his speech. and he also put the arab league monitors here in grave danger by saying and vilifying the arab league has trying to destabilize his government here and tliing to overthrow the regime in syria. so we've already heard today that arab league monitors were shut out by them yesterday. kuwaiti press agency saying their monitors were fired at today. i spoke to the head of the arab league mission here in such a sensitive subject he wouldn't comment but he was at that moment, i saw him rushing off for a meeting with the syrian prime minister. christine? >> thank you, nic. talk to you soon. meantime, the u.s. is condemning the iranian's government's death sentence for an american accused of spying for the usa. amir hekmati has 20 days to appeal his case. earlier zain vergee spoke to his family's attorney, a former war crimes ambassador. >> i hear from them easily five, six times a day. as you can imagine, the stress is very, very high. the news is not positive. but we try to reassure them that it's not over. we will engage the government and hope that they will show compassion. and president obama is replacing his gatekeeper chief of staff bill daley abruptly resigned saying he wants to spend more time with his family. is there more to daley's departure than meets the eye? brianna keilar has more on this. >> you're not buying it, going back to chicago in the middle of january in that's something he wants to do? the truth is, there is a little more to it than this. although the white house trying to make it clear that this was daley's desession. it sounds like this wasn't necessarily the best fit and that when it comes to getting the president's ear, there's only so much oxygen in the room. and daley was competing, of course, with top advisers like vallue valerie jarrett and davi axelrod and lacking some of the influence. it appears he didn't have the ability orring bag of the president to pimake some of the staff changes that he might have wanted to make. one of the other issues here has to do with congress in is a white house that has struggled in its relationship with congress. it's not just the republican on think that will tell you that. democrats will as well. and daley was at the he'l helm, course b. and more symbolic snafus in the fall, christine. >> all right. now the budget guy is in charge. brianna keilar in washington. thank you. soledad? >> christine, thank you very much. oh, i can't believe i have to do this segment. alabama wins the bcs championship. i really like the giants, too. i believe you should root for the local team but so that's usually where i put all my focus but i was really cheering for -- in jenlg, local lsu because i also love new orleans. but, wow, yesterday they just killed them. killed them. it's alabama second national tight until three years. it is the first shutout. it's like not only bad, it's terrible. joe carter is in new orleans this morning. at least you're in a nice city this morning. joe, good morning. >> good morning. yes, it's a beautiful city. and critics have said that alabama didn't even belong in this game because they didn't win the division, didn't win the conference championship. they proved their critics wrong last night by dominating the lsu tigers from wire to wire. the defense played amazing. you know the last time these two teams played field goals were a major issue for alabama. they couldn't make very many. last night their defense played so well. they actually kicked five which tied a bowl record. beat lsu 21-0. second national champ wron ship in three years. this one is a little extra special considering what the town of tuscaloosa went through back in april when the tornadoes tore through that town. >> tuscaloosa, it means a lot because, like i said, we lost a lot of people in the tornado. and i told the team before, you know, the season that it's going to mean a lot to a lot of people that we do make it to the championship. and i said before the season, i said, we're going to win the national championship. >> for us to bring back the crystal ball to us ttuscaloosa,t brings a t lolot of hope and dr to tuscaloosa. we have a story about carson tinker, long snapper for alabama. extra special night for him last night because back when those tornadoes ripped through tuscaloosa in april he actually lost his girlfriend. so was it was a bittersweet night for him. girlfriend's parents were in the stands. we'll tell you mow about his story and what it meant for him and her family to win the championship last night. >> that's so sad. the damage there, still there. joe, we'll look for that. we with move on out of this conversation because it's a sad day. ahead this morning, let's just talk about football because i'm so strong in football. the whole show should just be football. my husband is watching like, oh, my god, she's talking football. >> silver lining is they're 1-1. >> yes. >> that is right. but you hear the story. everybody thought tim tebow and the denver broncos next opponent would be the new england patr t patrio patriots. but, no, it turns out the big problem will be the legal department. we'll tell you what that's about. and mississippi governor is pardoning four convicted killers. all of them worked for him at the governor's mansion. families of their victims say they are outraged. we're going to talk to a family member straight ahead. of course, you will recall a terrible anniversary. one year since the tucson shooting rampage. a little girl, kristina taylor green, among those killed that day. her mom has written a new book about her daughter and her daughter's legacy. you're watching "starting point." we have a short break.movi shoot and it hasn't been going exactly as planned. cut. cut! 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and i can see you getting upset as you talk to me and i'm sorry. but i mean, for people who didn't mknow her. it's going to sound cheesy, but she was a great citizen. what happened that day was she was going to see gabby giffords because she had a love of politics. is that something thatou instilled in her? >> s, i instilled that in grow involved to do charity work with my parents. and i taught both my kids that we have to give back. and so she probably got that from my side of the family. >> she ran for student council, student council president in third grade. did she ever talk to you about what her dreams were for when she was a grown-up, not just fourth grade but when she was a grown-up, did she want to be a politician, which i think sometimes today is not exactly a career path anybody wants, much less a little kid? >> ever since she was 2 years old she always told me she wanted to be a star. and she was very talented. she was a talented dancer and a musician and a singer. and she wanted to be a doctor. she wanted to help and make a difference in the world. she also said that she possibly for female president and the first female baseball player. but she had high dreams and high hopes. i know whatever, you know, she would have chosen, she would have would be great at it. >> yeah. no question about that. what was she hoping to get out of seeing gabby giffords? that day, that was the plan, to go around the corner and get to meet somebody who was really working in politics. what did she want to get out of that? >> she just wanted to learn more about our government and how she could give back and make a difference in our local community and she had some questions prepared. and she wanted to meet her role model. she wanted to meet someone that she admired, a strong, intelligent woman. and those are the kind of people that she admired. >> when you look back over the last year, how do you think you've changed? what's changed in you? >> i'm more appreciative of just the small things, little things in life. i realize that every day is so precious and we're so lucky to have every day. and to do everything you want to do in life because there might not be a tomorrow. >> that's roxanna green, ris tina taylor green's mom who has written a really nice book about her daughter. lovely. ahead this morning on "starting point" as we continue through our morning, get real segment, denver broncos mike might have some legal problems. we'll tell you why texas a m&m lawyers are not happy last weekend frkts newt gingrich will join us live. he's tangling with mitt romney with super pack funding of ads. you're watching "starting point." ♪ [ male announcer ] why do we grow quaker oats? because there are mountains to climb. ♪ dreams to be realized. ♪ new worlds to be explored and hearts to be won. quaker oats. energy to get you going, fiber to help fill you up and help keep your heart healthy. super people eat super grains. good morning. welcome back, everybody. we are at cha bachon where they are making breakfast. those pancakes look really, really good. although our table is covered with food. the specialty of pork pie and maple syrup bacon. all of us will just be on the treadmill for the rest of the day. welcome back, everybody. time to get real this morning. tim tebow and the denver broncos thought after they beat the pittsburgh on sunday, up next is new england patriots. but, no, up next is the texas a&m legal department. this what i've been loving the game. but before the game the broncos had a guy parachute in to the stadium with a flag that had the words "12th man" on it. in football, 11 players on the field at any time. the 12th american refers to the role the fans play. big deal. what's the issue? here's the issue if for our lawyers at the table. here is the issue. texas a&m has -- owns a copyright on the twelfth man. they own the copyright. so jason cook, a&m's vice president of marketing and communication twited this. to add insult to injury, it's a threat and he tweeted it. fyi, broncos. the 12th man belongs to texas a&m. we saw the flag today and will defend our trademark. no joke. fighting words, of course. it isn't the first time that a&m has gone over the football team over that term, 12th man. they forced the seahawks to play a licensing fee to texas a&m, which they now have to do. of so apparently they're getting very real for us this morn and let us know who their 12th man is, that would be their attorney. still to come on "starting point," lots to talk about. outrage in mississippi as the outgoing governor pardons four killers. we're going to talk about what has happened there with the victims' relatives. and then newt gingrich is going to join us live. he's getting some super pact help as he leads us into south carolina. we're going to talk about what his southern strategy is going to be.so y ou earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it. who wouldn't want more cash? 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[ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't... multigrain cheerios has five whole grains and 110 lightly sweetened calories per serving... more grains. less you! multigrain cheerios. good morning. welcome, everybody. you're watching "starting point" this morning. live at chez bouchon in m manchest manchester, new hampshire. this is an interview. while i'm doing my show other journalism is being committed in the building. that's french television. we're in a neighborhood of french canadian. and we have french canadian cuisine which includes the pork pie that we have. the poutine that we had yesterday. lots of debate about that. you are any french canadian expert. we've got the bacon slathered in maple sauce. the crepe is great. this is what we had yesterday. on twitter, people were attacking me for pronouncing that wrong. apparently it's disco snack food in the '70s. they brought this to new york. the whole thing started in the '50s when the customer said put my fries in a bag and throw cheese on it. started a trend. that's what's happening here foodwise. >> starting a trend. >> that's what we're all about. ahead in the next half hour, newt gingrich is going to join us live to talk about the nastiness in new hampshire and what that is going to mean ahead in south carolina and florida. opponents are picking up their attacks on the front-runner, mitt romney. and then we'll turn to mississippi where four killers, four convicted murderers are now off the hook as the governor pardoned him. we're going to speak to a family member of one of those victimvi but first, let's get to christine romans at cnn with an update. good morning again. >> good morning to you again. defiant syrian president bashir al-assad is blaming western elements for the growing unrest in the country. he calls protesters against his regime terrorists but denied that syrian security forces have opened fire on them. the family of robert champion, that florida a&m drum mayor who was hazed to death, his family says they'll share more information about his death at a news conference this morning. they sued the university claiming school officials did nothing to prevent a culture of hazing there. a new concern this morning about a cargo ship that ran aground on a reef off the coast of new zealand last year. the stern of that ship has slipped further under water spewing an additional ten tons of oil right into the water. and three men were rescued from a west virginia cave late last night. they went missing saturday after heading into a 13-mile long cave complex. one of the cavers says they had quite a scare. >> 7:00 rolls around and we're like, hey, there's people, there's people. >> do not underestimate the cave and do not over estimate their abilities. and that's typical college behavior, you know. you think you're invisible but when you get in a situation like this and, you know, humbles you. now let's check in on the markets. u.s. stock futures pointing to a higher open this morning. dow future is up around 100 points. nasdaq, s&p 500 futures are also pointing higher right now. you know attention turning back to europe this week. leaders of france and germany are putting more pressure on greece and greece's prime minister to make deeper cuts to avoid default and, soledad, in this country it's earning season. i expect things to be chappy. don't hold me to it that stocks close higher. >> all right. christine, thank you. as we've been telling, you voting in new hampshire, the new hampshire primary has begun and what we're really looking at right now is the race for second place. brand new suffolk university news poll out today that says that mitt romney is leading ron paul 37% to 1%. if you look at jon huntsman, third place with 13 percent. newt gingrich, 9%. he's been going on the attack buying negative ads in south carolina. speaker newt gingrich is joining us this morning. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. >> let's begin with these -- thank you very much. i appreciate that. let's talk about the ads. just about a week ago where you were talking about how mad you were about mitt romney spending $3.5 million through his super pact. now the number i'm hearing from you is $3.4 million from the super pack that supports you. isn't that hypocritical? >> no, no, i think you are face with the reality. somebody decides that that's what they're going to do, if you unilateral disarm you might as well drop out of the race. he's decided that he would pin his entire future on shrinking his competitors rather than offering positive ideas. we came back and offer a very clear choice here, talking about impact, raising the commuter tax on new hampshire, raising $700 million in as governor of massachusetts. i think it's fair to draw a contrast between my record of fighting for tax cuts and the tax increases that he set up in november and in massachusetts as governor. similarly, i think he's gone around talking about his record in the private sector. el with, it's fair to look at that record. i don't see whying looking at somebody's record is wrong. one of his ads got -- >> no, but that's not -- >> he mope is -- it's not just the record. forgive me for interrupting you. of course, the question is how negative do you go? you had at one point called him a liar. you guys have both gone back an forth. do you expect to continue that, you know, hostile conversation as you move forward? >> i don't know what will happen in what you describe as a hostile conversation. he did make a point in the debate sunday morning he had never seen the ads and then recited one of the ads and listed all five points in it. i'll let you decide how accurate that is. the key thing is it's going to be a very clear choice between a reagan conservative and massachusetts moderate. and i think as we get to south carolina, a choice between those two views is going to be pretty decisive in south carolina. and beyond south carolina. >> let's talk about south carolina. >> new hampshire -- new hampshire -- >> kasouth carolina and beyond >> okay. go ahead. >> thank you. because we have a limited time i want to run through a lot of stuff with you. south carolina, it costs, i'm told $350,000 for a week of ads. you've got it now, a ton of money. have you already bought ads in south carolina? >> we're going to run ads for the campaign and ads for the campaign are issue oriented, very clear and offer a very vivid choice between a reagan con zef tive who cuts taxes and massachusetts moderate who raises them. reagan conservative who is pro life and a massachusetts moderate who actually wrote planned parenthood, the largest abortion provider of the country into romney care. we're going to look at differences between someone more conservative judges and liberal. i can't say what the super pact. i have no direct relationship with them. you would have call and spoke to them. >> if they decided to run the king of bane, which is the film you were talking about the other day when i attended your latino event in manchester, 27 1/2 minute look at mitt romney's tenure at bane capital. would r would you like to see that, running everywhere in south carolina? >> i have no idea. >> are you expecting to see that? >> as i -- if it shows up on television i will probably eventually see it. as i understand it from newspaper reports it was actually made by mitt romney's former 2008 presidential campaign staffer. apparently the staffer made it after having gotten to do mitt. his take on bane's record with a series of companies my hope is that it's totally factually accurate, that it can be totally defended. i wouldn't like to see something be put up to attack any of the candidates that isn't factually correct. we can be very district and straight as long as there are facts there but we shouldn't go beyond the facts. >> when i interviewed mitt romney yesterday at an event he was holding 30 minutes outside of manchester, here is whae he said about attacks on him. listen. >> newt gingrich is now being funded by a super pact with a bill of something like $5 million to his name. and he says he's going to have go after your work at bane. >> gee, i thought he apologized for going after my record at bain. wasn't that just a couple weeks ago? i thought it was going to come from the president and the democrats from the left but instead it's coming from speaker gingrich and apparently others. >> there's an argue lt, sir, that says you are doing the work of the democrats. you are doing so much damage to mitt romney by focusing on this that you're going to have a candidate. if he is the front-runner who goes into the general election severely damaged by a fellow republican. >> isn't that funny that when i was a front-runner and he ran $3.5 million in negative ads nobody said that? romney said, look, it's okay to be tough because look at axelrod and obama is going to be like. that's a direct quote from him. let me suggest to you. obama and axelrod aren't raising a billion dollars for fun. they intend to come and whoever we nominate had better be tough enough and thoroughly enough vetted before the to nation. what you don't want to do is nominate somebody and find out in september that they have a fatal weakness and then you can't do anything about it. all of us should be tested in february, march, january, february, march, to make sure that whoever gets the nomination is tough enough to stand up to obama. there's no point in nominating -- >> he's been leading in the polls -- he's been leading not polls here in new hampshire. he's leading in the polls as you go into south carolina. >> sure. >> he's leading in the polls if you look down to florida. let's say hypothetically he is the nominee, are you going to support him, yes, america, it is mitt romney who should be the president of this country? >> if the choice is mitt romney or barack obama, there's no question i would support mitt romney. i think he would be a dramatically better president than barack obama. the question is is he the best candidate we can put up? and remember, new hampshire is his third strongest state after utah and massachusetts. he's bout a house here. he has lived here. he has spent the last five years campaigning here. if he can't do very, very well here tonight, i think it raises questions about his candidacy everywhere. h is one of the places where he should be getting a majority because he is certainly worked hard enough, you would think he would be able to get a majority in a state like this. >> what about you? no matter what happens you're who moving forward to south carolina and florida? >> sure. >> yes? >> well, first of all, we're going to do well enough that we're going to impact the field. >> that doesn't sound convincing. say that again. >> well, three or four of us who are running reasonably well after romney. and we're all going to still be dividing the vote. and i think it will start shaking itself out when we get to south carolina. and i will be in south carolina very aggressively as a georgia conservative i've got very good ties and roots in south carolina and i'm looking forward to campaigning there over the next two weeks. i think it will be a lot of fun and lit clear up the race pretty dramatical dramatically. >> okay. we'll see about that. let me ask you a question about a couple of things you said at this latino event that i attended. a young man asked you about the dream act. what's your take on the dream act? mitt romney says dream act comes before him, if he's in a position to do so, he will veto it. >> there are parts of the dream act that make a lot of sense. today, today if you're living in a foreign country you can enlist in the u.s. military and earn citizenship but if you happen to be in this country and your parents brought you here when you were 3 years old, you can't -- if you came here illegally, even though you were only 3, you can't enlist. i think we should allow folks who are living here, have a good record, should allow them to enlist in the military and should as a result be able to earn citizenship just as they would had they stayed back at home. there are parts of the dream act i like, parts i don't like. >> there's a provision that would give provisional residency to a young person who came across the border, brought as a child by their parent. and there would be a conditional residency given to that kid, now a teenager, whatever, if they pursue education, a four-year education. would you say, yes, they get an education or no, we should deport that child? >> no, i think that's one of the things we would look at. i suggested we create citizen review panels and look at those kinds of cases b one by one. if somebody has a good record, american family that will sponsor them, i think that there's a possibility they could get residency permission to go to school and, frankly, if you had an expanded student visa program they could be eligible for a visa so they would have residency requirements and would not be any anyway expell eled i they were going to school. >> let me ask you a question of something else you mentioned while you were taking questions from the audience. you were talking about gay adoption and said that the catholic church was forced to close its adoption centers. isn't what really happened that if the church decided it was going to continue to take federal funds and have access to those foster children that they couldn't discriminate against gay couples who wanted to adopt, they weren't really forced to close, they made the decision. >> no, no. they were forced to close. because you're saying to religious group, give up your religion. that's absurd. the idea that the state would impose its secular values on a religious organization is an absurdity. >> if you want funding. isn't that if you want funding. >> no. no. in massachusetts -- >> you can do whatever you want but if you want funding -- >> no, that's not true. that's not true. there are states now, including the district of columbia, who essentially adopt law who say you can't offer an adoption service unless you meet the secular standards of the state. they are in effect saying the secular standards of the state are more important than religious freedom. it is inherently anti-christian and anti-jewish. it's wrong for the government to impose its values on religion. that's the whole point of the first amendment, is to not have the government imposing values on religion. >> speaker gingrich, i thank you for joining us this morning. we're about to lose our satellite window. good-bye to you. appreciate your time. thank you. wow, there's a lot to talk about. straight ahead this morning. going to take a break first though. going to talk about outrage as mississippi's governor is going to pardon four killers as the governor is going out the door. back with our panel. david fromme, he seemed key to me. >> he's not expecting good news today. another thing, when newt gingrich declined to comment on the super pac, obviously for legal reason, but i have kept tichl with the anti-romney ads will materialize. newt gingrich may be able to go on an attack against romney but are this donors? >> so he wouldn't commit. >> if he would give up the $5 million to say, okay, you can have it but be nice with it. >> another angle. if you are rick santorum, after new hampshire, would you rather have newt gingrich stay in the race and spend money to ding mitt romney or get out of the race and make it easier for you to unite social conservatives in south carolina? it's not an easy call. gingrich and mitt romney, may be inadvertently helping romney at fragmenting the vote most resistant to him. >> if i'm a campaign manager i want him out. >> out. >> is that because -- >> take your money and go home. >> he is mad and a wrecking ball? that is always the factor of like, because hess mad. >> or just numbers. you can't collect delegates if the numbers are too diffused. >> divide and conquer. >> until the field shrinks. >> difficult side and conquer is the watch word for romney. >> the whole newt gingrich has been funded on the assumption one day he would be the republican nominee. >> if he takes too much collateral damage. that would end that. >> if he loses it, what is his post campaign like? find out more about the man and his mission as he continue righ. find. no drama obama. not anymore. we'll talk about the shakeup at the white house. the chief of staff is out. want to know why? we'll take a look. starting point is back after this. welcome back, everybody. mississippi governor haley barbour has pardoned four killers as he's moving his way out of office. all of them worked as trustees at his mansion. one was just recently denied parole. as you can imagine, the victims' families are outraged today. one of the men who's pardoned is david gat lynn. he shot and killed his estranged wife back in 1993 with her two-month-old child in her arms. her friend randy walker survived. he had been shot in the head. he says laws that allow killers to walk free need to be changed. >> if the governor or any governor has the right to single hand deadly circumvent the entire judicial system, i think the governor himself ought to have to look me and the family in the eye and say, hey, i'm going to let this guy go. there wasn't any of that. that's the coward's way out if you ask me. >> then there's ricky montgomery. he was a store clerk shot and killed in a holdup. his nephew joins us by phone from memphis. thanks for talking with us, mark. when did you learn that joseph ozmand who was sentenced to life in prison and will now be free, when did you learn he'll be released? >> we got a call on saturday letting us know that he would be released on sunday. >> and does this mean,'s being pardoned, so that essentially means it's a clean slate for him? >> that is correct. that is my understanding, that he was granted a full pardon, which means that it will not follow him. there will be no record of this basically. he is a free man and able to walk among you and i and nobody ever know. >> he doesn't have to look forward to a parole officer as well. i have to imagine that this is very upsetting not just for you but all your family members. >> it is. it is. the fact that we did not get any answers as to why it happened. we can't get any answers. >> have you tried? have you tried to reach out to the governor's office and get an explanation for why they're doing this and why they've given you such short notice about the pending release? >> we've tried. we've gotten no communication back giving us no communication. all we can get is it was the law. he went through a process. what that process is, we don't know. >> so it was law. there's been a process. yeah? >> right. >> so i assume that means you'd want changes to the law. so what are you going to do now? it's too late. once they're pardoned there's nothing you can do, i guess frrks this point. what do you plan to do in the future? >> that's right. we're going to have to check into the things we can do. what laws do we need to change? things like this don't need to happen. something this important doesn't need to be in the hands of one person. we have committees, and as it's come out before, two weeks prior to this one of these individuals was denied parole, you know? we can't fathom what was going through this process. i can't imagine. if i had to go to haley barbour and ask one question, it's definitely why did you do this? i want you to explain this to me because at this point i do not understand what you're doing. >> not good enough for parole but then completely pardoned by the governor. lots of questions that will have to be answered. mark mcabee calling us from memphis. we appreciate you calling us and talking to us this morning. still to come this morning on "starting point," we're going to talk about jon huntsman. est he's been flying under the radar. i'll talk with miscarriage mary kaye. mary kaye. mary kaye.mary kaye. mary k. . welcome back, everybody. i'm soledad o'brien. we are starting our second hour. "starting point." we are in manchester, new hampshire. the restaurant opened around 6:00 a.m. this morning. we're enjoying politics and pork pie which is something that has to have just under a million categories in it. it's right in front of you. it is boiled pork, potatoes in a pastry things with more potato, bread, eggs. that's the special. go back to bed after you have that. we're talking politics this morning. our starting point is looking at the race for second here in new hampshire. we have results from one town that has a knack for picking republican presidential nominees plus a brand new snapshot of the race coming from some new polling that's just an hour old. we'll talk about all of that with mary kaye constance. she joins us this morning. a story that everyone is talking about. four killers that have been pardoned. people demand to know why the mississippi governor set them free. also president obama's chief of staff has quit. there's a shakeup on the west wing. former chief of staff, john desta will talk about what happened and why did it happen at such a critical time. then we'll reveal a surprising change in our credit card habits. that's all ahead as "starting that's all ahead as "starting point" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome back, everybody. it is primary day here in new hampshire. dixville notch results have come in already. the town historically has been predictive of the ultimate gop nominee. jon huntsman gets two votes, mitt romney two votes. newt gingrich one vote and ron paul one vote. there is a brand new suffolk university news poll to tell you about. in that poll mitt romney is leading ron paul 37 to 18%. they have jon huntsman with 15%. this morning we have marry kay huntsman. she is the wife of the candidate. when you look at these poll numbers he is coming in 16th. 's risen from 9 to 13 points to 16% in the polls over the last several days, however, pretty much well behind mitt romney who is leading with 37 points according to this suffolk poll. when you see those numbers, how are you feeling about them? >> i'm not worried at all. all i know is we have worked so hard. no one has worked harder than my husband here in new hampshire. i think we've done about 170 public events. now the voters can speak. i think they know my husband. they're beginning to see his heart and soul. i'm proud of the work that he's done. we love the state. we have really grown to love the people of the state. in fact, i'm going to be sad to leave in a few days. >> you put all your eggs in a basket that is new hampshire. as you look at some of these numbers, do you regret that? do you have to come in second in new hampshire or it's over? >> we have to come out with a head of steam. we have to show the fact that jon is electable. i think that is what i am fighting. i am finding the energy that we feel from people, they don't come in and say, well, i think i could vote for them. when they come on board, there is such an excitement and energy and emotion with him that they walk out. last night we had an event that was just extraordinary in exeter. i watched more people come in with just this excitement. even a few people that i saw with tears in their eyes as jon was giving his speech. very inspirational. i thought he's talking about things that i think america wants, and that is, he's talking about the trust deficit. of course the economic deficit. he's talking about putting trust back in to our government. and that conflicts with a lot of the tenor, as you know, in a lot of the conversations on the republican side. i want to play you a little bit from this abc news debate. i know you've seen this. i'm sure you watched your husband in the debate. mitt romney was critical of your husband's experience in china. let's play a chunk of that. >> i'm sorry. governor, you were the last two years implementing the policies of this administration in china. the rest of us on the stage were doing our best to get republicans elected across the country and stop the policies of this president that were being put forward. >> so when he was hearing criticisms like that, and i know he answered it in the debate well sort of saying that he's an american and there to serve the country, does that chip away though, do you think? how did he feel about that kind of criticism coming from the front-runner? >> he's proud of the fact that he stood up to serve his country. as his wife, i couldn't be more proud. with two boys in the military, if he had not taken the call to service when asked, what kind of example would that have been to our boys that we have been teaching service to their whole lives. now they've chosen to serve. i'm very proud of what he did. you know what, i think the message that jon gave the next day about putting his country first resonated because this country is so divided. they need somebody that can pull it together. my husband is not a partisan politician. he never has been. he's a uniter. he brings people together. he has his core principles he believes in. he's never waivered. if anyone looks at his record, he has the most consistent record. he has the ability to unite people together. >> your daughters joined us here. they are lovely. we enjoyed talking to them. i asked them and i'll put the same question to you, is it hard to put your family out there? they're your daughters, you want to protect them. i was talking about the ad that had run basically targeting your younger daughters who are adopted, one from china and one from india, sort of insinuating, it was apparently done by a ron paul supporter, the ron paul campaign has said it was distasteful, is it hurtful as a mother that you put your children out there and everything is open for attack. >> that went into t. my thought when i saw that was i hope my little gracie who's 12 years old doesn't pull this up and see it, however, it was a strange ad. it was distasteful. hopefully she wouldn't quite understand what they were trying to say. >> what would you tell her? she's 12. i have an 11-year-old. she can google and she's going to google herself and your husband. that's what they do. what would you say to her? >> she has learned because that's all she's known since she's been in our family, and we had the privilege of adopting her in 1999, then jon ran for governor shortly after that. she's been in the arena and she's very mature for a 12-year-old. she understands this happens and it's just one of the things that i think we all -- we sat down as a family before we began this process. >> mary kaye huntsman, it's nice to talk to you. where are you going to be tonight? >> i don't know. somewhere in new hampshire. >> running through the state today. i know your schedule is crazy. >> my husband asked for people's trust. >> thank you for being with us. let's turn to christine romans. she's live at cnn with an update on some of the other stories. good morning. a defiant syrian president bashar al-assad making a rare public speech more than two hours. he blamed western governments and the media for the unrest ripping through his country. he said he'll respond to threats against his regime with an iron fist. meantime, the obama administration blasting iran's death sentence for american hekmati who was convicted of spying in the country for the cia. he has 20 days to appeal that case. a tragedy at new jersey's statehouse. long time republican assembly leader alex decroach collapsed and died late last night after a marathon legislative session. the 75 legislature was a friend of chris christie who has postponed the state of the state address. alaska's big dig. the town of cordoba, 150 miles east of anchorage. buried under 15 feet of snow. the national guard is going to help after weeks of record snowfall. that town has issued a disaster declaration. 18 feet of snow. college football's big jest stage, it was a beatdown. alabama won with a 21-0 victory over lsu. it is their second title in over three years. no doubt 'bama fans have been up all night. not even tim tebow, you say, could have done anything against that alabama defense. >> reporter: yeah. they played so well last night. you're exactly right. i don't think tim tebow could have beaten them. the alabama nation has been up all night having a great night on bourbon street. it was a great win. eight months ago in april over a three-day span there was some vicious tornadoes that tore through the entire state of alabama. killed more than 300 people. there was an estimated $11 billion in damage done in the town of tus ka loose is a, over 50 people were killed. one in particular by the name of ashley harrison. she's the girlfriend to alabama's long snapper, carson tinker. they were bunkered down in a closet when she was ripped out of his hands and thrown to her death. eight months have been a long eight months. especially for carson tinker. after last night's championship he reflected on what he's been through in the last eight months wharks it means to him, to the university, to ashley. >> it's a lot of hard work. it's paid off. it's a great feeling. >> what do you think ashley would say? >> be proud. >> reporter: you know before ashley was killed she had said to carson and told her parents, in fact, that to make sure and book their tickets to new orleans because she felt like this team was so good that they were going to end up playing for a national championship. she was right. last night alabama beating lsu 21-0 to win their second title in three years. >> thank you, joe. let's check in on the markets this morning. u.s. stock futures pointing to a higher open. dow futures are up 100 points. nasdaq s&p 500 futures up. tension back in europe. the leaders of france and germany putting more pressure on greece's prime minister to make deeper cuts to avoid default. soledad? all right, christine, thanks. as we mentioned earlier this morning, mississippi's governor has pardoned four convicted killers. all were serving life sentenceness murder cases. all had worked at the governor's mansion. one was denied parole just a couple of weeks before. the families of the victims are in complete disbelief and shock. a little bit earlier i spoke to mark mcabee who was one of the shooting victims' nephews. >> things like this don't need to happen. something this important doesn't need to be in the hands of one person. we have committees and as it has come out before, two weeks prior to this one of these individuals was denied parole, you know? we can't understand what was going through the process. i can't imagine if i had to go to haley barbour and ask one question, it is definitely, why did you do this? i want you to explain this to me because at this point i do not understand what you're doing. >> martin savage has more on this for us. you can hear, marty, the disbelief in that nephew's voice as he says, if i could just ask one question, i want to know why. what are we hearing from the governor on this issue? >> reporter: you know, the governor has been remarkably silent on this. this story literally exploded yesterday afternoon. there was no official announcement of course and that is usually the case when it comes to pardons like this when it comes as governors are departing their office. it sort of crept into the news media as a result of the victims' families being notified with a phone call. no official reaction coming from the governor's office. interesting just a year ago you and i, soledad, sitting there in mississippi as the release of those two sisters was occurring. this was a case of women who had been apparently i won't say improperly imprisoned. the governor suspended their sentence. now you have the four men convicted of murder and they are being released. it's just shocking for many in this state, which is so conservative. the governor, a staunch republican. he had been head of the rnc. many just can't believe that he would do this. so there are questions being raised. did the governor really know? did he know what documents he was signing? because we haven't heard from the governor we can't answer. >> remember, marty, when you and i were covering that story of the woman who needed the kidney transplant, right? thaf that was a story a year ago. they suspended her sentence so she could get her treatment. he wound pardon her. it was a robbery that involved a minor amount of money. that's a side bar. for someone to claim that maybe the governor didn't know is impossible because we were doing stories about that very issue about these other people who were in line potentially to be pardoned. does he have to answer? he's on his way out. is this sort of ending his potential, i don't know, presidential run one day? >> reporter: today is his last day in office. he's term limited out. he's gone. he knew he was going to be going. >> but if he wants a future in politics. >> reporter: right. he's realized and said he won't run for president. it's his legacy that he's got to be concerned with. haley barbour is one of those politicians who has the unique benefit of not being liked, he is loved in this city. so strongly so that many are just so shocked by this because they see it as against the character and everything that he ran for. so he's got a lot to answer for and many people are outraged, not just the victims' families but most especially them. one of those who was outraged, randy walker. he was shot in the head by david gatlin. this is one of the men who's being released. here's what randy walker had to say. >> or any governor has the right to single-handedly circumvent the system. i think the governor should have to look me and the family in the eye and say, hey, i'm going to let this guy go. there wasn't any of that. that's the coward's way out if you ask me. >> reporter: yeah. there wasn't any of that, and that's what has the victims' families so upset. no chance for them to argue against this pardon. it's a done deal. there's nothing they can do, soledad. >> gosh, there's certainly more to come out of this. that doesn't add up, i think, this morning. i'm sure we'll be talking about it again. marty savidge out of atlanta. still to come on "starting point." president obama's chief of staff out. what will the impact be? 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[ shapiro ] we created legalzoom to help you take care of the ones you love. go to legalzoom.com today and complete your will in minutes. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side. and complete your will in minutes. when bp made a commitment to the gulf, we knew it would take time, but we were determined to see it through. today, while our work continues, i want to update you on the progress: bp has set aside 20 billion dollars to fund economic and environmental recovery. we're paying for all spill- related clean-up costs. and we've established a 500 million dollar fund so independent scientists can study the gulf's wildlife and environment for ten years. thousands of environmental samples from across the gulf have been analyzed by independent labs under the direction of the us coast guard. i'm glad to report all beaches and waters are open for everyone to enjoy. and the economy is showing progress with many areas on the gulf coast having their best tourism seasons in years. i was born here, i'm still here and so is bp. we're committed to the gulf for everyone who loves it, and everyone who calls it home. welcome back to "starting point," everybody. i'm soledad o'brien. here is mary kaye huntsman. she is campaigning on behalf of her husband. she did an interview. she's like, there are voters in this diner. so we are going to talk to those voters and get them to vote for my husband. we are surrounded by food this morning as well. some of the specialties, this french canadian cuisine is maple drenched bacon. those are great. what is that? that's a crepe. >> i have something special for you. from crosby's bakery in nashua. >> anybody who brings me food. >> a huntsman moo pie. an appearance at crosby bakery. >> i get it. that's the h. >> politics infuses even the baked goods in new hampshire. >> as an anchor woman i could say i. all right. let's keep talking about politics this morning. we were talking earlier about something that seems to have taken the president by surprise. president obama is now losing his right-hand man. his chief of staff bill daley announcing he's going to step down at the end of this month. here's what he said. >> obviously this was not easy news to hear, and i didn't accept bill's decision right away. in fact, i asked him to take a couple of days to make sure that he was sure about this, but in the end the pull of the hometown we both love, a city that's been synonymous with the daily family for generations, was too great. >> daley will be replaced by the current budget director, jack lu. joining us this morning is john podesta. is he live for us in washington. i should tell you we have ron brownsteen with us this morning. he's with the national journal. candy crowley who's the host of the state of the union. jamal simmons is a national editor. mr. poe des at that, let me start with you. whenever somebody releases a statement that says i want to spend more time with my family. i need to return. automatically like red flags start flying. do you believe that, in fact, he wanted to spend more time with his family or is this really a metaphor for something else that had to happen here? >> the reality was it was bill daley's choice. i don't think he was very happy in the white house these days. the structure wasn't working very well. he had given up a lot of his day-to-day duties to peat rousse who's the counselor to the president. i think he made the right call actually. when in your heart you feel like you're better off moving on, then it's time to move on. i think the president selected an outstanding choice in jack lew. >> a lot of people have said that, that he's sort of very well known on the hill. i think that one of the issues, it seems, is that daley was having some problems not just on the republican side that you might expect but with his own democratic colleagues. do you think that those sort of rumors are true, that it was getting -- there was a lot of friction? >> i actually think he had pretty good relationships with democrats on the hill. he had a little bit of friction with senator reid, but i think that was behind him. look, bill took the spear for the negotiations in the summer that went on too long and resulted in what was a deal that no one was very satisfied with. i don't know that that was all his fault, but he stood up, took the spear for it. i think subsequent to that, you know, he was always reluctant to re-engage on capital hill. i think jack from his experience working for tip o'neal, working in the clinton administration, he was the l and b director when i was the chief of staff for bill clinton. he's an extraordinary man and extraordinarily experienced in negotiating with both democrats who i think really, really respect him but also with republicans who have come to admire him. they're a tough lot up there, as you well know. if anybody can get something done, it will be jack. >> we've noticed that a little bit. >> john, ron brown stein. i wondered if part of the problem was the definition of the job change. when he was brought in the president seemed to be envisioning a deal making approach. as the year got on he saw that as less productive and he started to use them as a foil. it's hard to see bill daley as the quarterback of that effort. you bring in bill daley if you think you're going to make a deal. not the captain of a contrast strategy with congress. >> i think you're right about that, ron. the other factor was that, you know, in that context there was sort of a blur of authority there between david cluff who was in charge of the activities that involved messaging, the campaign, etc., the strategy for re-election and daley, who is both substantive and direct political background. had he run al gore's campaign. i think this structure makes more sense with jack lew having authority over the budget, negotiations with congress and the substance of governing and david will run the sort of political half of the white house. that's a model that we're familiar with. leon panetta served that role in the clinton white house in the re-election in 1996 and harold dickys ran the campaign. that's a more functional structure. it's more clear. the white house staff will understand who to go to with which kind of problem. >> john, this is jamal sim amongst. i want to follow up on this question about the campaign. do you think the timing of the resignation will have any impact with the staff and how they adjust going into the campaign year? was it a little late in the cycle or do you think they have enough time to make the adjustments that they need to? >> i think there's been a lot of turnover right at this point. some people go into the campaign, other people like molly barns, domestic policy advisor leaving, but i think this was if you're going to do it, do it now. don't wait for another couple of months. i think that's what bill concluded, which was that it was the appropriate time before the state of the union, before the president presents his budget so that, you know, jack can get his sea legs in the west wing as well as lmb. he was very involved in working with the pentagon and with the president to develop the defense budget, which i'm sure will be contentious with the republicans, particularly in the house side. so in order to get that moving i think this is a good time to do it. >> john podesta joining us this morning. got a short break. back in just a moment. straight ahead this morning we're going to be talking to former new hampshire governor and senator jud greg as we continue our political conversation. he joins us for breakfast with soledad as i like to call it. also, we'll take a look at our reveal. americans and their money. folks are doing something again that might have been a ticking time bomb before the recession. we're back after this commercial break. ♪ you're singing with a broken string ♪ ♪ tell me what you really mean ♪ do you know what you want? 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you think you're invincible. when you get in a situation like this, it kind of humbles you. the supreme court hears arguments today in a key first amendment case. at issue, whether the fcc's efforts to police the air waves for curse words and sexual images, if that violates free speech rights. let's check in on the markets. u.s. stock futures pointing to a higher open this morning when the stock market opens in an hour. dow futures are up 100 points. nasdaq and s&p 500 up. attention back on europe. the leaders of france and germany putting more pressure on greece's prime minister to make deeper cuts. let's get a quick check on the weather and what it means for your travel. rob is out so jacqui jeras joins us. >> good morning, christine. it's a big mess all across the southeast from texas heading up towards the carolinas. if it's not raining, it's probably really foggy and on the misty side. this will be the big storm we're tracking throughout the week that dumped record snowfall in mid land, texas. we've got kick to the storm today too. a few could become severe this afternoon in places like new orleans, on up towards birmingham. temperatures remain really whield here, too. at least it's feeling good out there. this will be the storm that we'll watch throughout the week. it'll be heading into the mid atlantic by tomorrow. making its way on through the northeast thursday before a big blast comes behind it. schicago could see its first bi storm. soledad? >> all right. thank you very much. it's up to the folks in new hampshire. the polls open in new hampshire just about 90 minutes ago. the first votes were counted at midnight. romney two votes, huntsman two votes. it's a tie. republican strategist michael denahy joins us. also judd gregg is with us. want to play a little bit of what newt gingrich said to me this morning when i asked him if he was being hypocritical in talking about -- complaining about mitt romney's super pac power and having his own super pac supporting him. here's what he said. >> i think if you're faced with the reality, if somebody decides that's what they're going to do, if you unilaterally disarm, you might as well drop out of the race. he's decided that he would pin his entire future on shrinking his competitors rather than offering positive ideas. we came back and offered a very clear choice here talking about his impact, for example, raising the computer tax. folks from new hampshire raising $730 million taxes as governor of massachusetts. it's fair to draw a contrast between my record of fighting for tax cuts and the tax increases he set up in massachusetts as governor. >> so, governor, let's begin with you. when you hear a candidate talking about his fellow candidates and using the words unilateral disarmament, that's almost scary. how worried are you about the damage that newt gingrich could do to the front-runner? >> well, i tend to think in the primary process you get intense exchanges. that's how primaries evolve. that's actually probably good for the guy who comes out of it. in this case i think it's going to be mitt romney. the issues will be out there. they'll be on the table. his response will be honed i suspect. the fact is he created jobs. i can't understand why republicans would run against republicans on the basis that he created jobs. it's not a market oriented approach towards politics and governor nans. in this case romney's on the right side of the issue. >> at the same time, romney has had what we call self-inflicted wounds which is he has said a number of things involving sort of the working people and middle class people that seem to be uncomfortable or don't really jibe with his position. as someone who just is a really, really rich guy. there is a little bit of what he said. let play it first. >> i like being able to fire people who provided services to me. i used to worry about my sons and their future and what america was going to be like when they grew up. i remember i sat down with an attorney and i said, if i have a will, i want to make sure to pass along whatever i have to my sons. >> i know what it's like to worry whether you're going to get fired. there were a couple times i wondered whether i was going to get a pink slip. >> i came out of school and got an entry-level position like other people who were freshly minted mbas. >> it's been interesting to see him sort of deal with these things where he's speaking the truth, obviously. i think when he talks about fear of a pink slip he's come out with an mba from a great school and i think it has a ring to it that makes him have to correct all of this. >> it does. i think one of the problems that mitt romney's had over the last nine months, he hasn't been severely challenged. none of them have challenged him. he's been high in the polls for the last year. now the pressure's on. the last couple of days he needs to perform well in new hampshire. i think he's starting to feel some of the heat. he's going to have to deal with these things over the next few weeks and possibly in the general election. >> these are self-inflicted wounds, right? >> they are. he hasn't challenged. some of it is self-inflicted. some of it is the natural ebb and flow of the campaign. i think his problem right now is -- and this comes up in every election no matter who the candidate is, they need to let romney be romney. i think he seems spooked at this point. that's when you make the most mistakes. he is what he is. people sense immediately when you're saying something that runs counter to the image that is out there. i get that he's trying to connect, but he needs to connect from where he is. i don't want to sound like a shrink here. >> look. >> isn't that what the press is? >> tell me about your -- >> yeah. >> first of all, soledad, it's not fair to the pun dants to bring in the professionals. we don't like the competition. >> feel free to hit him if you need to at some point. >> but i think the past 48 hours really underscores something that i very much believe, that if mitt romney is the nominee, how the voters ultimately interpret his experience at bein capitol is going to be the most important pivot points of the general election. if by november most voters accept his explanation that, yes, this equips me uniquely to understand how the economy works. >> i ran stuff in private industry. >> right. or at the end of the election do most voters accept the frame the democrats will be painting. >> corporate raider. >> looting companies, he is the embodiment of what is wrong with the economy. in the last 48 hours you see rick perry and newt gingrich beginning to amplify that argument. it can only go so far in a republican primary. general elections are a very different audience. romney has shown, as mike has suggested, in the past 48 hours he still isn't entirely comfortable explaining it. he certainly wasn't in 1994. >> i'm with candy. let mitt romney be mitt romney. they're controlling all their events, the romney campaign. >> yesterday was the first event since iowa where he took questions from the press. part of that was because he had to fix the problem with saying i like to fire people. i get it. it's totally out of context. i was there for it. i know he was talking about insurance companies, but you don't want the next day's conversation and certainly not ads to be all about that one little line. >> the good news for romney is it's still off broadway. >> right. >> previews. >> so he's got time to put this together and for those, i know the big question is, are they harming themselves for the general? when we were here four years ago, remember it was the obama campaign or their friends putting out that bill clinton was using racist language, that he was racist against -- he went to south carolina and it was really ugly. guess what, she's the secretary of state. >> he could be a formidable nominee, but we are seeing an early test of what will be a critical variable. can he defend that record in a way that instills confidence rather than instills doubt? >> governor, as they go to south carolina, as they go to florida, someone like mitt romney who has a reputation as really kind of needs to in the general election appeal to independents and moderates, is he being dragged to the right a bit? >> no, i don't think so. i think all of these candidates are pretty conservative. that's what they are, they're conservatives. i think romney's strength is that he isn't seen as wearing the social issues on his sleeve. this is going to help him in the general election. i think he's going to be our nominee. i believe he's going to win in new hampshire. i suspect he'll do well in south carolina. anybody who wins iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina is going to be the nominee. i happen to think he will be our strongest nominee because he will appeal to people who are independent. on this issue of being attacked, this is just beginning. we're just in the start. we're in the first inning here. >> how would you score his response in a republican primary to the attacks that will be coming ten fold if he makes it to the general election on the bein experience? >> i think by the time we get to the general election, probably long before that, there will be a much more substantive response as to how many jobs he created and what those people who got the jobs think about them. >> i was not jumping in but i can answer that. he has to answer his game in a major way. >> people will be on tv saying i like my job and thank you, mitt romney, for getting that. >> we have to take a short break. i'm going to stop you there. i want to remind everybody to watch cnn tonight, primary day. i'll be joining wolf blitzer, candy crowley, erin burnett, we have a long day ahead of us. that's on cnn at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. continuing here as we have our breakfast on "starting point." why do you hold a primary on a tuesday anyway? wouldn't people vote if it was on a saturday? a guest tells us about the fight to increase voter turnout. you're watching "starting point" with soledad o'brien. after the short break we're back. life with crohn's disease is a daily game of "what ifs." what if my stomach pain and cramps end our night before it even starts? what if i eat the wrong thing? what if... what if i can't make it through dinner and a movie? what if i suddenly have to go? what if... but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your crohn's symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need visit knowcrohns.com/tv and use the interactive discussion guide to speak with your gastroenterologist. welcome back, everybody. we're coming to you live from new hampshire. we're asking the question of why is election day on a tuesday. the gop primary is really critical for the ultimate race for the highest office in the land. why would you hold it on a tuesday? doesn't that hurt voter turnout? would it thoep hold it on a saturday or holiday? we're speaking to why tuesday. he's in l.a. this morning. why tuesday anyway? what historically is the reason for a tuesday? >> absolutely no good reason, soledad. good morning. the short answer is no good reason whatsoever. little bit longer answer is because of a law set in 1845 to make voting convenient for an america that traveled by horse and buggy and get back in time for market day. tuesday was the most convenient day. what we're saying at why tuesday.org is 166 years later it's time to upgrade our voting system. let's movie leks day to the weekend, saturday and sunday, so more people can vote. >> when you look at voter turnout across the united states, somewhere in the low 60s. not impressive. when you look at something like the commonwealth of puerto rico where they shut everything down on election day, they've had voter turnout as high as 90%. is it as simple as saying do, it on a saturday, shut everything down. people don't have to spript back and forth to the jobs and that would solve the problem of low voter turnout? >> i don't think it's as simple as moving it to the weekend, saturday and sunday. there's no silver bullet for increasing voter participation. in puerto rico, it's a national holiday. people are celebrating. in america tuesday after the first monday in november is a tuesday. it's a workday. new hampshire is one of the most political states in the entire union. the last primary election for president held there, 53% of the people showed up to vote. if the people are new hampshire are showing up at 53% you know something is wrong. they're some of the most passionate people in the country. >> how come this issue doesn't get much traction? we're talking about it but you never hear about it almost ever. >> because if you had to re-apply for your job, soledad, or i had to re-apply for my job on at day that you're elected, which is what we're asking the congress and the president to do, all of them who have been elected on the tuesday after the first monday in november, they don't want to change the rules of the game. we wouldn't want to either if it would make it harder for us to get our jobs. at the end of the day our elected individuals, they're reporting to the people of the united states and not themselves for their own job security. >> why tuesday? it's a good question. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. interesting point. ahead this morning, we're hooked on plastic again. we'll reveal for you what our spending habits may mean. that's straight ahead. calories s per serving and are now weight watchers-endorsed.alories s try green giant frozen vegetables with sauce. welcome back to "starting point." in our reveal today, some surprising numbers about the economy. since 2008 we've seen a massive drop in consumer debt. many people are spooked by the economic crash, have started paying down their debt. security became the new rich. instead of having a big house orphansy car, people are downsizing. being debt free was the in thing to do. the federal reserves numbers on credit 2008 through much of 2011 you see a massive drop in the number of credit, rather, that people were carrying. if they could pay off their debt, they did. houses sold, credit cards cut up, shopping done with cash. until now. there's new numbers released by the feds showing a huge jump in consumer credit spending. since last november consumer credit spending has jumped by 9.9%. you'll remember the country was bouncing back from the 9/11 attacks. people are optimistic about the economy. while spending is a good sign for the economy, the jump could also mean that people's economic situation is people's situation is so perilous that they're using it to get by. the amount of money americans are saving has slid. back in november of 2011 americans were saving about 5.1% but november 2011 numbers show that those savings have dropped to 3.5%. i'm sorry, 2010 to 2011. i misspoke. over a year it's gone from 5.1% to 3.5%. this is the kind of thing when you look at it, as i think our own christine romans would say, so are consumers more confident or are our memories a little short? we'll follow that. our end point is what's going to end "starting point" this morning. we're back with a final word from our panelists. we knew it would take time, but we were determined to see it through. today, while our work continues, i want to update you on the progress: bp has set aside 20 billion dollars to fund economic and environmental recovery. we're paying for all spill- related clean-up costs. and we've established a 500 million dollar fund so independent scientists can study the gulf's wildlife and environment for ten years. thousands of environmental samples from across the gulf have been analyzed by independent labs under the direction of the us coast guard. i'm glad to report all beaches and waters are open for everyone to enjoy. and the economy is showing progress with many areas on the gulf coast having their best tourism seasons in years. i was born here, i'm still here and so is bp. we're committed to the gulf for everyone who loves it, and everyone who calls it home. and the chefs at lean cuisine are loving tangy lemon, peppery poblano, sweet butternut. we're roasting, and grilling to create must-have meals with no preservatives. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. welcome back, everybody. from manchester, new hampshire. we end as we always do, with our end point. we're going to start with candy as part of our panel. what do you take away from this morning? >> it's interesting that the conversation is all about number two. as we were talking before, it is. the question now is is there anybody out there strong enough to take on mitt romney in the long run? and if you look at bank accounts -- >> the polls would say no. >> if the polls say no then the bank accounts go down. >> the number twos and threes and fours and fives are hoping that the social conservatives of south carolina will save them. south carolina is a state that has always wanted to be with the winner. it is not a social conservative state. it saved george bush in '88. it saved george w. bush in 2000 and it sank mike huckabee in 2008. >> given romney's strength, to me the most interesting thing of the past 48 hours is the extent to which we're seeing a preview of october in january. the issue of whether romney can defend his experience at bein capital will be absolutely crucial in the general election if he gets there. the evidence of the past couple of days is that he still has some work to do in presenting this in a way that most americans will find an asset rather than a liability. >> i my first take away. >> first? how many do i give you? >> covering bacon is like candy. >> it is the definition of candy, yes. i don't need to sit next to that. >> rock candy. >> but on politics, i think the negative ads, south carolina, that's also one of the states where things get really negative really fast and really dirty. i think the $3.4 million gingrich is talking about spending is going to take some paint off mitt romney. how he reacts to that will determine whether or not he gets to be president. >> we actually see the ad spin. here is my end point. i think there are two theories. one is that all this negative campaigning makes a candidate, front-runner stronger, right? he's used to people attacking him. it makes him better. the other theory it could make him much weaker because he goes into the general election attacked and scarred. voters are frustrated and annoyed and all of this negative campaigning might diminish voter turnout and ultimately that will decide who will win this. we're out of time. want to

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