in handcuffs. these the images we saw for the first time about 20 or so minutes ago. their lead defense attorney said he would be shocked if jerry is acquitted on all charges. he said that earlier today. in fact, they convicted him on 45 of the 48 counts he was charged with. sentencing could come any time in the next 90 days. now, if the verdict stands, this man, who earned and betrayed the trust of so many children, as jeff toobin said, will likely die in prison. as we said, sentencing will be in 90 days. we have a number of legal analysts joining us. mark geragos from the defense side. former prosecutor jeff toobin, marcia clark. there you see jerry sandusky in a police car about to be taken off to a local jail where -- for the rest of his life, as we said. his new life has begun, his life in confinement. momentarily we expect to speak for an attorney for at least one of the victims who testified in this trial. there were ten alleged victims, eight of whom we heard the testimony in this relatively short trial. also relatively short deliberations. 21 hours for some 48 counts in all. we had a jury of seven women, five men. we're not going to be hearing from any of the jurors tonight. they were earlier, while this has been going on outside the courthouse, the jurors have been receiving instructions from the judge, who has told them according to reports not to speak to any reporters tonight. do we have justine? joining me now is justine andronichi, attorney for victims three and seven. thank you very much for being with us. first of all, have you talked to your clients tonight, and if so, what do they feel about this conviction? >> absolutely. the very first calls i made this evening were to clients i represent, that did testify in the trial. and they were greatly relieved. almost in disbelief, i think. one of them said, thank god he's in jail. and the other one expressed sentiments that it was a long time coming. both of them feel very, very good tonight. >> how was testifying for them? because clearly the defense was trying to, for a number of the accusers, trying to suggest that they had a monetary motive, or their stories had been coached by police somehow, or there had been some collusion of the stories. how was the experience for victims number three and seven? >> i can tell you that the experience was a very difficult one. as i think you may know, it's very difficult for adult survivors for childhood sexual abuse to come forward under any circumstances. but to come forward and be contacted and then have to disclose what has occurred on such a public -- in such a public way, extremely difficult for both of them. but they did so because they believed it was the right thing to do and they wanted to tell the truth. >> and what is next for them? i mean, will there be civil suits continuing on? how do they move forward now? >> i can tell you that what they've talked to me about and what we've talked about is they want to give back to their lives and begin to continue the process of healing. in terms of the next phase of this with respect to civil suits, i have no suit we're going to see some of those in these cases. the facts are still developing on those issues. and we still don't know everything that i think we will know about who knew about this, and what could have been done sooner. so we learned a lot in the trial and we're learning still more every day about the way that this happened, and how jerry sandusky was allowed to continue to abuse children for years. >> anyone who is guilty of 45 counts of child sexual abuse like this, it's fair to describe them as a monster, as a predator. do you believe -- i mean, you watched jerry sandusky closely through this trial. do you believe he knows he's guilty? do you believe he, deep down, knows he did something wrong? >> you know, i can't climb inside his head and understand what motivates him, what he thinks. what i can tell you is that the victims know he did something wrong and the community knows he did something wrong. and this jury heard what the victims had to say and they know he did something very, very wrong. the resounding message from this jury, finding guilt on every single victim charged in this case is crystal clear. i personally believe that this verdict tonight is attributable to the incredible courage of the victims who have come forward. they did so under extraordinary circumstances. i think we all owe them a great deal of gratitude for helping the public and the community better understand this issue and the challenges faced by survivors. and i just can't tell you how proud i am to have the opportunity to work with these inspiring men. >> there have been so many people throughout this country and this world who have been abused in this manner, by people who were trusted and twhwho hav never spoken out about it. and your clients give others strength to come forward and deal with this in a way that allows them some peace and some ability to build a new life. so i hope you pass that along and our thanks and everybody's thanks should go to these, as you said, these brave young men who came forward. so appreciate you being with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. thank you so much. i appreciate you having me. >> we're going to take a quick break. we have have been live now for more than an hour, so a quick break. when we come back, we'll talk to the lead defense attorney and others. we'll be right back. >> the sandusky family is very disappointed obviously by the verdict of the jury but we respect their verdict. you may recall for those of you who have been with this case from the beginning, that we said that we had a tidal wave of public opinion against jerry sandusky and the charges filed against him, that he had been determined to be guilty by the public and the media from the very outset of the charges and that we had an uphill battle. i used the am analogy that we were attempting to climb mt. everest from the bottom of the mountain. well, obviously we didn't make it. that cloud is in the network, so it can deliver all the power of the network itself. bringing people together to develop the best ideas -- and providing the apps and computing power to make new ideas real. it's the cloud from at&t. with new ways to work together, business works better. ♪ witassure my patients getether, evthe very best care.ake but look at our health care system. everyone agreed we needed reforms -- but this new health care law -- it just isn't fixing things. president obama promised my patients that they could keep me -- but what if because of this new health care law -- i can't keep them? 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>> it's anderson cooper. >> he knows i love you. >> i'm going to step out of here and i'm going to step in with anderson cooper as e we get you hooked up here. as you're getting hooked up here, give us a sense of how your client, what jerry sandusky said to you -- >> let's test the sound because with all this noise. can you hear? don't hear anything. >> joe, it's anderson cooper. can you hear me? >> i can, anderson. how are you? >> i'm good. to jason's question, did jerry sandusky say anything to you after the verdict was read? >> no, he really didn't. he looked at me and obviously he was distraught and disappointed but he didn't say anything verbally. >> what happens to him now? we saw him being led out in handcuffs, put in a police car, he goes off to i guess a jail. we're told that sentencing will be any time within 90 days. what do you do tomorrow? what is the next process? >> well, tomorrow i gather my wits and we start thinking about sentencing because that's the next step and start planning our appeal issues. we'll have to get a transcript of the trial and then we'll decide how we're going to proceed after sentencing. the sentencing probably will take place in september. you said and i talked to one of your co-counsels that there were a number of issues on appeal that you may have some sort of a case for. but no matter what you used to appeal, i mean, do you really believe you have enough that could actually overturn 45 counts against jerry sandusky? >> well, yeah. because if you went on one of the appeal issues, everything probably falls. all we have to do is convince an appellate court that one of the issues that we will raise is worthy of a reversal, and if there's a reversal, everything comes back. it could be 100 counts and it would all still come back if an appeal is granted and a higher court determines that we had a valid issue. >> did you want your client to try and go for some sort of plea agreement? >> no. as a matter of fact, jerry sandusky never considered a plea agreement. he always maintained his innocence. that's something that's important for every one to understand. for better or for worse, none of us were there when these things happened, but he always maintained that he was innocent. >> the discussion about whether or not he was going to testify, where did you stand on that? i assume you did not want him to testify. >> well, what happened, he intended to testify. he always wanted to testify and tell his side of the story. and what happened was, late last week on a thursday afternoon, the commonwealth indicated it might have additional information it wanted to present before it closed, we didn't know what it was. later that evening, we received a call from the commonwealth and the commonwealth attorney indicated that matt sandusky had talked to them and indicated that jerry had abused him. at that point i objected to the surprise and explained to the judge, the judge was involved in the conference, that we had always intended jerry to testify. this tremendously undercut our defense, placed us in a really bad situation since i had promised the jury that jerry would testify. so the next day the commonwealth alerted me to the fact that it had thought about its issue with matt sandusky and would not call matt in its case in chief. meaning it would rest without calling him. but it reserved the right to call him in rebuttal. that put us in a position of trying to decide if there was some way we could call jerry sandusky as a witness and jerry could testify without triggering matt's testimony in rebuttal. we decided we couldn't. it was too risky and we also decided if jerry testified and matt testified, regardless of the fact that not only jerry but dottie and the other five siblings of matt's all indicated that matt would be lying, that it would be catastrophic to hear matt come in to say jerry abused him too. at the last moment, it really was the last moment, a couple of days ago, that jerry finally decided he would not testify and take his attorney's advice. but that's how that developed. he always wanted to testify. >> had you intended to have matt sandusky testify on behalf of his adopted father? >> absolutely. matt had testified at a grand jury proceeding and defended his father and said no abuse had ever occurred, even though the commonwealth attorneys grilled him about jerry's abuse of him as a child. he denied it. he left that proceeding said he was so angry and retained private counsel and wanted to release a press release saying that the commonwealth had pressured him into saying his dad had abused him and that was not the case. and he was very angry about their efforts to do so. he also indicated that he would be a witness on jerry's behalf at trial right up until the trial and in fact the first day of trial sat with his family. and he indicated it was ridiculous, what the individuals were alleging. >> so do you know what changed? >> pardon me? >> do you know what changed? he was there the first day of the trial. do you know what changed in matt sandusky's mind? >> the family tells us that matt has had a history of mental health issues. matt goes up and down. matt has times when he loves somebody, at times he hates that person. the irony is the family tells me that matt had stayed at his parents' house recently after an argument with his wife and dottie sandusky tells me that matt and his current wife who's pregnant had asked dottie to host a baby shower for her within days of matt doing what he did. so the family was perplexed. but all the other five siblings, as well as dottie were prepared to testify to rebut the whatever he might have said. so we were prepared to handle it if it came forward. but on the other hand if we could avoid him coming into play at all, we felt the best chance was proceeding with the defense we presented. >> i know it's been a long day for you. i appreciate you talking to us tonight. thank you. >> any time anderson. i watch you all the time. >> take care. there were ten accusers in this case, the jury returned convictions. in the cases of all ten. michael boni for victim number one joins us next. back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin, or blood thinners may increase bleeding risk. severe liver problems, some fatal, were reported. signs include abdominal pain and yellowing skin or eyes. tell your doctor about all your medicines, including those for migraine and while on cymbalta, call right away if you have high fever, confusion and stiff muscles or serious allergic skin reactions like blisters, peeling rash, hives, or mouth sores to address possible life-threatening conditions. talk about your alcohol use, liver disease and before you reduce or stop cymbalta. dizziness or fainting may occur upon standing. ask your doctor about cymbalta. imagine you with less pain. cymbalta can help. go to cymbalta.com to learn about a free trial offer. go to cymbalta.com energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural gas. our live breaking coverage in the verdict of the jerry sandusky trial. 45 guilty counts. three not guilty counts. 25 are felony, 14 first degree felony counts. maximum sentence for jerry sandusky facing 442 years. we believe sentencing sometime in the next 90 days. we received a statement from the paterno family. we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. the community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service, it also bears pointing out today that today is the five month anniversary of joe paterno's death. michael boni joins me now on the phone. he's the attorney for victim number one. it was really your client who first came forward and that's why it really gets the title victim number one. have you talked to him tonight? how is he feeling? >> he's feeling elated, yes anderson. i got off the phone with my client about 15, 20 minutes ago. unfortunately for him he has the night shift, he graduated high school a few weeks ago and already has a job, so he's got to spend his evening doing security at a night shift. but he is elated, as is his mother, who was crying. she was with her family and they feel very, very empowered right now by this decision. >> i don't think a lot of people can maybe understand the strength it must have taken for your client to come for want and break his silence and allow frankly all the other victims to then break their silence. because it was only after your client came forward and revealed what had happened to him that all the others began to come forward, as well. >> that's absolutely right. i know my client well. we've dined on a number of occasions, we've met on a number of occasions. and there is something within him, there is an inner strength within him that is belied by his frail frame, but there's something so powerful and strong in him and whatever it took to muster what is deep within him to tell his story is frankly the reason that we are all gathered around televisions around the country, maybe around the world tonight, because of his coming out and telling his story about what this monster did to him. >> and to be going through this trial, the preparation for the trial while you are, i assume, a senior in high school, i can't imagine how difficult that was. what was the process of actually testifying like for him? because the defense, you know, as they did with a number of the victims, you know, tried to indicate, well, they're perhaps in it for the money, they all have attorneys, or many of them have attorneys. or they perhaps were coached by police or their stories or there was collusion among their stories. how was testifying for your client? >> it was a daunting, daunting task for him. but i'll say this to give credit where it is due. the prosecution did a fantastic job preparing the witnesses and particularly the victims at trial. there were precious few questions that came out of left field that they were not prepared to respond to. they knew the questions were coming about when you got a lawyer and are you in this for the money. and do you know victim 9? aren't you friends? did you compare notes and all that. they were very prepared for those very desperate and frankly offensive defenses. there was certainly, it's preposterous to say that there was any collusion. my client came out first without knowing any of the other victims. and he didn't have a lawyer until november of last year when he was overwhelmed by the press. >> i talked to a supporter of jerry sandusky's who actually testified. i believe her name was joyce porter. and she said it seemed like a number of the victims changed their stories over time. i talked to a number of experts in child sex abuse who say it's not uncommon for young victims to have to kind of, over time, reveal the true horror of what they went through. to those who my question, if your client changed his story and if so why, what do you say? >> the answer is simple. it fits the textbook pattern of what victims of sexual abuse go through. it is extreme shame, fear and embarrassment. and it's practically impossible for those victims to tell the story full on from beginning to end. they tend to roll it out in phases because of how painful it is hearing what comes out of their mouth. they tend to downplay it in the beginning, and as time goes on and counseling takes root, it took months and months and months for my client's counselor to gain the trust of my client. they developed a healthy relationship and with the assistance of the counselor, he was able to finally come out and tell the, you know, the full story of what happened to him. but that took a long time. >> well, michael boni, i know it has been a long road and it will continue to be for you and your client. i appreciate you talking to us tonight. certainly we wish him and his family the best. we heard from victim number six's mother tonight who was quoted as saying nobody wins. we've all lost. our legal panel weighs in next. jeff toobin, mark geragos, marcia clark. sunny hostin, all on tonight's verdict. we'll be right back. this, td the world heard the verdict, the charge and counts of the verdict against jerry sandusky. 45 counts guilty, three counts not guilty. the crowd outside the courtroom erupting into applause. you saw many people running out, reporter, courtroom observers to get the word out of what they saw. we heard from jason carroll of what he saw. tonight jerry sandusky leaves court a converted sexual abuser. really a monster. i want to bring in our legal panel. mark geragos, jeff toobin, also on the phone, marcia clark and a new york legal analyst sunny hostin. mark geragos, your thoughts on what we've witnessed over the last hour and a half since we got the verdict? >> i don't know. there's so many conflicting thoughts that you have as you watch this. it's horrible what's happened to that community at penn state. i mean awful what they've been through. you think about joe paterno and that statement that was released and then today ironically being the five-month anniversary of his death, which i think was probably hastened by this whole thing. you see that crowd out there cheering. i know people think that's an emotional or cathartic release. but any time you have something like this, i think you have said anderson, it was one of the victims or lawyers had said there are no winners here. the idea of cheering i think is a little much. you think about joe amendola getting there and i just feeling, i guess, overwhelmed by all of this and talking about just having such a fatalistic attitude which is perplexing to some degree. and the whole thing i think is a microcosm of where we've reached today in these super size media trials. i think maybe the english have it right with the contempt of court act. at a certain point it might be best to let these things be tried not under the glare of the media spotlight. it might be better to delay everything and let these kinds of cases get tried the way that 99.99% of all criminal trials get tried. so i don't know. that's just me venting, i suppose. >> i want to check in with our other legal analysts. i received a tweet from them to say stop referring to them as victims. they are survivors of this trial. i think it's an interesting thing to point out. we've been using the term victim number six, victim number one, because that's how they've been referred to by the prosecution in court documents. sunny, your thoughts about the convictions and also what you've seen. >> you know anderson, i used to try these cases. i tried and prosecuted child sex crimes and i think what is striking to me is perhaps the good thing that comes out of this terrible tragedy of a serial child predator is that we are actually talking about it. it always struck me when i was prosecuting these cases is they are just shrouded in shame. people don't want to talk about it. they're shrouded in secrecy. and that is why many victims don't come forward. and so i think perhaps the fact that we're all talking about it, that people are cheering, that people are tweeting about it. perhaps is a good thing that comes from this. because it did take extraordinary strength for these survivors of child sex abuse to come forward in a high profile case in front of so many people in a courtroom and talk about these terrible things that happened to them. so i think, in some respects, i'm comforted that we are talking about this, this very important issue. because this is happening all over our country. one in six boys are victims of child sex abuse, one in three girls are victims of child sex abuse. so we need to talk about this more. >> it's an important point. and the statistics, the numbers are startling and sickening, frankly, and i do think you're right. it's not something that's covered. it's so uncomfortable, people don't want to watch it on television. they turn the channel and understandably, but that doesn't help those who are trying to survive it and get justice, not talking about it doesn't help. marcia, your thoughts tonight? >> i agree with sunny. i think that a great deal has been done by the coverage in this case. i don't know how else people could have responded to show their support other than to cheer. although i understand it feels a little macabre. but understand, we've seen so many big trials go belly up. so there's also a cheer that the system works. a case that had overwhelming evidence did result in the correct verdict and i think they were happy with that. i think also this case is very important. i'm glad it was reported and covered as much as it was, because it gives us, i think it will turn the tide. it will have an impact on people who were fearful of reporting, the victims frequently do hide, the would-be reporters hide because people don't want to believe them and reject their statement. i think this will give a shot in the arm to victims and i've been urging people on twitter and facebook to report and come forward. because i think people are ready to believe that people in power aren't necessarily to be believed over the children to be who have been abused. i wanted to add one more point. there's been a lot of talk about the possible reversal on appeal and i've been practicing appellate law for several years now. i can tell you that it's very, very rare to have a case reversed on appeal in general, but in specific when a case hinges on the credibility of witnesses as this one does, this is critical in this case, you didn't have physical evidence. you mad primarily the credibility of these victims. when a case hinges on credibility, it almost never gets reversed on appeal, because the court of appeal has to defer to the jurors. they defer to the jurors when it comes to a matter of credibility and so they will say that the jurors made the call and that no error could be found harmful enough to say that the jurors would have made a different decision. so it's very likely that even if errors pointed out they'll be deemed harmless on appeal and the case will be affirmed. i wanted to clear that up. but this is a very important day on so many fronts. >> yeah. jeff toobin is joining us as well on the phone. it is extraordinary and i was just talking to the attorney for victim number one, or i guess i should say survivor number one. this is a kid who recently graduated high school. so when he came forward, he was in high school. you know, the young age of this victim adding to the difficulty of coming forward and not realizing at the time, i assume, and according to the attorney, that there were other victims out there. so the strength for this young man to have come forward i find pretty extraordinary. >> indeed. i would just like to point out, there was another very important piece of news today which was mon senior william lynn became the first roman catholic official to be convicted of covering up child abuse by priests. the catholic church in philadelphia and frankly much else many other places in the united states, behaved horribly in covering up the abuse and protecting priests, and penn state behaved horribly in letting jerry sandusky prey on children. the thing that haunts me in this case is this awful scene that we've talked about so many times of mike mcqueary, the assistant coach seeing jerry sandusky raping a little boy in the shower in 2002. jerry sandusky isn't arrested for another decade. how many kids did he abuse in that decade because penn state and senior people didn't do their jobs? and the catholic church and penn state have a lot to answer for, and i'm glad marcia and sunny are optimistic and take some solace from today's verdict. but i don't. i see this as a story of failure, not success. >> it's also incredible, jeff, when you think that after initial allegations and suspicions had been raised by sandusky, allegedly his privileges of use at penn state were to stop. he wasn't supposed to be able to bring children there, and yet that wasn't enforced. and he still continued to bring children and shower with children, which again is just stunning. >> and he continued to run the second mile, which was entirely dedicated to the treatment, the supposed helping of children. so jerry sandusky devoted his life to being around young children. and i suspect we will never, ever know how many he abused. but the ten in this case are certainly bad enough. and it just has to haunt us, how many people knew about this and didn't come forward. and the victims who suffered after that are haunted more than any of us. >> marcia clark, in your experience, a high profile prisoner who has been convicted of child sexual abuse, are they in general population in prisons? >> no. can't be. it's too dangerous and they in general try even when it's not a high profile molester, they try to sequester them in a separate place. there used to be separate tanks for them. i don't know that they have specific tanks for them today, but they do try to keep them separate because they're in grave danger and i have had quite a few who have written to me fearful of what's going to happen to them in custody. so they're going to have to be very careful with this guy. >> marcia, we're joined by tom klein, attorney for victim number five. tom, i assume you talked to your client tonight. how does your client feel about what happened tonight? >> i texted him, i've been on the grounds here. it's been almost impossible, it has been impossible to get a text signal out. he and i have gone back and forth yesterday. we've talked about how he's gotten through this with support of his family, his girlfriend, his close friends. he's a wonderful young man. he's tried to live a normal life threw this. this was a case, anderson, like so many of these young men where the police showed up at their door. they didn't seek this out. they had these horrible memories literally buried in their soul and they came forward because they were literally forced to come forward. he viewed this as an obligation of citizenship. he still does. he anxiously awaited the verdict and as soon as i get done talking to you and a few others, i'm going to, i'm sure, talk to him. >> and how difficult was the trial, how difficult was getting up on that stand and facing jerry sandusky? >> well, i can tell you i saw every stitch of the testimony in this trial, including my client. he took the stand, it was very difficult. he told me so. he described to me how he took the stand as a victim of childhood abuse, now a young man leading a productive life and he came in, he sat down. he looked towards mr. sandusky and he told me that mr. sandusky was staring back at him the entire time. there was an awkward moment during my client's testimony which i think is illustrative of mr. sandusky himself. there was a brief story in the warmup to these horrible events that took place where my client was describing how he met mr. sandusky. he's a young man, mr. sandusky was playing a polish gangster in a skit and they engaged in a conversation about it. sandusky looked at my client almost adoringly. i thought it was awkward, odd, telling. i didn't see any of the same, any of the same towards his family. i thought the elephant in this room which could not escape this jury's attention was dottie sandusky and how there wasn't an inch of testimony, a millimeter of testimony about any affection or normal relations that he had with her or that he had with his six children who were also absent as witnesses. >> in terms of what happens now, the defense, i talked to joe amendola who was saying they're going to look at what the issues for appeal are and he feels about about things they can raise up on appeal. do you buy any of that? do you worry about that at all? >> i don't worry about it a bit. i was here from the beginning to the end. i've been following every legal ruling and everything here. joe amendola was on the courthouse steps retrying his case. his case was largely this was a conspiracy among the prosecutors, the police, the trial lawyers and the media, all of whom conspired to get this man. that's not the case at all. the fact of the matter is that this man was guilty. the record from what i see is clean and i would expect that he now spends the rest of his life in jail. >> tom kline, i appreciate you being on tonight and our best to your client and his family. we're going to take a quick break, we'll continue to be live to the top of the hour. more just ahead. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] its lightweight construction makes it nimble... ♪ its road gripping performance makes it a cadillac. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with advanced haldex all-wheel drive. 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>> well, a couple of things. you know, what i see is a vast difference from where we are now versus where we were as you remember, anderson, several months ago. in the very beginning when the allegations first surfaced, there was such a sense of disbelief. how could something like this happen? how could allegations like this be connected to a man like jerry sandusky who was so well respected throughout the community. then you gradually start to see things -- you saw things change. we saw how the folks from penn state thought penn state was being put on trial. people couldn't believe it. then things start to shift, and as more accusers came forward, as more people in the community began to learn more and more about this case, their opinions started to change. and of course we got to where we are tonight. where you heard that loud sort of round of applause when we came outside here, when everyone who gathered in front of e courthouse erupted in applause when they heard the guilty verdict. one thing that really sticks with me and that is the accusers. seeing them testify in court was painful. it was painful to watch, as you saw these young men get up there and talk about very personal things, perhaps victim number six's mother said it best. at the very end of tonight, after every one filed out of the courtroom and she was there with the son and the family she said quote, nobody wins. we've all lost. and she hugged her son and they hugged each other. that's what really resonates with me. >> you spoke to one of the victim -- one of the accusers after he testified. what did he talk to you about? >> well, oddly enough, it was victim number six. and this young man, who is now a bible student, he was sexually assaulted by jerry sandusky in a shower at penn state, inappropriately touched. and he was standing not far from where i'm standing right now. and strangely enough no one seemed to notice him standing on the side lines. so we delicately walked up to him and i asked him to share some of his feelings with me. what he couldn't get over was the overwhelming attention that had been brought to the case. because he wasn't really paying attention and watching the news and he was really affected by that. and to him, he said the whole thing, everything that's happened to him, still didn't really seem real. so my impression was someone who is still trying to come to terms with something that had happened to him. >> jason, you've been doing remarkable reporting through this entire process. i appreciate you staying up with us. thank you very much. we're going to be right back. our coverage continues. why not try someplace different every morning? 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