this until the the cotton's picked and the beans and the kernels are counted. smart phones make calls, send e-mails and now you can set them to stun. it is going too far? hello, everyone, i'm poppy harlow in tonight for don lemon. let's get you up to speed on the day r day's biggest stories. in syria, a senior government official with 34 years of service now says he's on the side of the rebel uprising. he was syria's ambassador to iraq, and he's the highest ranking diplomat to defect. he says he can't be part of a dictatorship any longer. you'll hear him his in his own words in just a moment. plus, i just spoke with the long-time american ambassador to syria. his reaction, our conversation coming up. an egyptian official says two americans kidnapped on the sinai peninsula are unharmed and well fed. their families want to know when they will be freed. the son of the reverend michel louis spoke to randi kaye about how the ordeal is taking a toll on the pastor's wife. >> it was all of a sudden and i just -- she even right now seems like a dream to her, a nightmare. also, a huge portion of the united states being strangled by drought this hour, which is threatening everything from crops to battle. 1,000 counties spanning 26 states are now considered drought disaster areas. eventually, you'll likely see the effects in higher food prices. agriculture secretary tom vilsack says the expiration of some existing programs has deeply hurt the farmers. >> the usda does not have the tools it once had to help people through this difficult time. >> we'll have more of that interview coming up. and a video on facebook that showed the brutal beating of a 62-year-old has now led to murder charges. chicago police charged a 16-year-old gang member with first degree murder in the death of delfino mora. the disabled man was collecting cans in an alley when he was attacked. a fellow gang member filmed the attack, put it on facebook, put it on the facebook wall of the suspect. and police arrested nba star jason kidd early today in southampton, new york. they say the newly signed new york knick was drunk and crashed his cadillac into a telephone poll. doctors treated him for minor injuries. kidd signed a reported three-year, $9.5 million deal with the knicks just on thursday. well, the syria conflict is now officially a civil war. that's from the international red cross today. although u.n. peace keepers have been calling it that since last month. 16 months of that violent rebel uprising and the u.n. estimates more than 10,000 people, 10,000, have been killed in the fighting. opposition groups say thousands more have died. also today, we learned that the treatment of the syrian people by the regime prompted the highest ranking government defection thus far. he was the syrian ambassador to iraq, until just a few days ago. now, he has escaped the country. he is supporting syrian rebels. he spoke with our ivan watson. >> translator: i served the syrian regime for 34 years in many different positions. but after what happened in the last year, during the holy revolution, all of the killing, the massacres, the refugees, i don't see how anyone can remain silent. so, i decided to end my relationship with this regime. >> reporter: what message would you like to send to bashar al assad and to your former colleagues in the syrian government right now? >> translator: my former colleagues, i ask them to join the people and leave this corrupt regime. there is still time. to say assad, i say, you don't know history. two wills cannot be defeated. the will of god and the will of the feet. history will curse you for the crimes you committed. >> earlier tonight, i spoke with the man who served two u.s. presidents as the american ambassador to syria. i asked him what he thinks this defection says about the stability of syria's leadership. take a listen. >> i think these are the beginning indications of the dissent within the syrian government and regime, that is now beginning to surface. when you begin to have a high level defection like this, and also the grbrigadier general, wo was very close to the assad family, it indicates that the divisions within the government are beginning to surface. and i think we can anticipate more defections in future. >> you do? >> when defections like this begin to occur, the political perception that the regime is being weakened from within is very important. and that can take on a momentum of its own. so, it's not so much the importance of one or two or three people defecting, no matter how ranking they are. but it's the growing perception that the divisions within the regime are coming to the fore and the regime is beginning to weaken from within. >> he is calling for military intervention from the international community. he said that assad and his regime will not go down without force. do you see this as a clear message from him to the international community that military intervention needs to happen? >> well, i think his judgment that the regime at the end of the day will not go down without force is probably accurate, because there's just been too much blood spilled in the streets of syria. i think the hard core of the regime, which is the -- the political leadership, the military intelligence, the security apparatus and those elite in the community that have been closely identified with the regime, i think, at the end of the day, there has just been too much ravaging inside the country for there to be a peaceful moment. >> very interesting insight from a man who knows the country and its leaders very well. well, moving on, after dismissing the idea again and again, could condoleezza rice be up for mitt romney's v.p. slot? what do you think? we're going to talk about that next. and this -- extreme drought. half the u.s. now in a state of emergency. with crop prices already spiking, how much more will it cost to put food on the table. >> we're really not going to know the full extent of all of this until the cotton's picked and the beans and the kernels are counted. variante ascari, monza. mile 7, highway 1. wehrseifen, nurburgring. the horseshoe, twin peaks boulevard. every famous curve has an equally thrilling, lesser-known counterpart. conquer them, with the lexus is performance line, featuring the is 250. real performance demands real precision. this is the pursuit of perfection. just $14.99. start with soup, salad and cheddar bay biscuits then choose one of 7 entrees plus dessert! four perfect courses, just $14.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. four perfect courses, just $14.99. so, why are we up here? 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>> here's the interesting thing about this, and it gives me an opportunity to point out howl little of that grocery store dollar the farmers and ranchers actually get. 14 cents of every food dollar goes in the pocket of a farmer/rancher. while the prices will likely increase, it will have an marginal impact on food prices. what really drives food prices more significantly are energy costs. >> it's my understanding that prices on a lot of things from cereal to soft drinks and meat prices are already up in some cases by 30%. that has nothing to do with the drought? >> they shouldn't be, because those -- the prices and the impact of a drought probably will not likely be seen in the grocery aisles until later next year. 2013. folks are using this opportunity to raise prices inappropriately, shame on them. well, the race for the white house now. which has been dominated for days as you've well seen, about questions about mitt romney's tenure at bayne capital. romney insists the attacks have crossed the line, especially an obama's aides reference to legal filings with the sec and even pointing to a potential felony. romney says the president should apologize. the president tells cnn affiliate, that is not going to happen. >> no, we won't be apologizing. and i don't -- sometimes these games are played during political campaigns. understand what the issue is here. mr. romney claims that he's mr. fix-it for the economy, because of his business experience. i think voters entirely legitimately want to know, well, what exactly was that business experience? >> okay, condi rice keeps saying she doesn't want to be vice president, but her name keeps coming up. earlier tonight, i spoke with cnn contributors and will offered reasons why rice will not be on the ticket. >> we can run through the reasons why rice doesn't make sense to be the v.p. candidate. most important of which is, she is pro-choice. and that is somewhat of a deal killer for any republican running for national office. as you just said, poppy, she doesn't want to be vice president. so, it's a nonstarter. and the timing of it is obvious, because changing the subject, let's not talk about bain bain /* bain. by the way, conversation was a subject changer from the jobs report a week ago. let's just be fair. we're changing subjects away from the things th hold real substance. >> those two are at least related, because mitt romney, of course, is running on the fact he can create more jobs. when the job report comes out, that makes sense to me. the condi conversation doesn't make sense. >> when you look at rice, she's very tied to the bush administration, and it's not likely that romney wants to be very associated with things that rice was very involved in in terms of the invasion of iraq, weapons of mass destruction, obviously the abortion issue is huge here. let's talk about other possible running mates, okay? rob portman of ohio, what about bob mcdonald of virginia, the two key states here. what do you think, lz, of either of those names? >> i've been having a really difficult time. when i saw the question, i had a difficult time trying to find somebody that made sense to me. that's because mitt romney's problem isn't trying to woo conservatives. it's trying to woo the independents. i don't think adding another conservative is going to help him. it's not as if conservatives are going to say, well, if he doesn't pick the right v.p., we're going to vote for president obama. he needs to communicate that he's not as crazy as some of the extremists in his base. that requires him to pick a vp candidate who may disagree with him on social issues. personally, i really like mike bloomberg. he's said that he thinks he would run the country better than president obama. the problem is, he disagrees with everything on the social issues. that's the problem with romney since the beginning, in finding a candidate. >> will, you told me in the break, portman is the ideal choice. >> i think lz is applying the wrong analysis. you don't look at what the v.p. is going to bring. i think what you do and what rob portman does is double down on bland. bland is exactly what he needs and wants. >> why double down on bland? why, will? >> because they want this election to be about president barack obama. this election needs to be a referendum on the job president obama has done over the last four years. you don't need to give the voters something to vote for. you just want them to vote against barack obama. i know a lot of people say the opposite, but that's the truth. mitt romney -- >> how do you energize voters with that strategy? >> i think barack obama's energized them. >> how does mitt romney and a portman ticket energize voters if you are doubling down on bland? >> i think barack obama's energized them. those that will vote will vote against barack obama. >> but those people are going to vote against president obama regardless. he's not going to energize people who are looking for solutions and answers. he's just going to energize people that already despise him. that doesn't hp his ticket at all. >> okay, from politics to smart phones, this thing, you know, your phone? it can make calls, send e-mails, play videos, but a new iphone add-on promises self-defense. we're not kidding. can you guess what it does? 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[ flo speaking japanese ] [ shouting in japanese ] we work wherever you work. now, that's progressive. call or click today. well, startup company is promising a unique new feature for your iphone. you've got to hear this one, folks. i talked earlier about it tonight with tech pro john able from reuters. turning an iphone case into a stun gun. apparently this army reservist has done just that. what has he come up with? >> well, apparently, he was attacked in his home and thought that the answer to his problems would be to create a cover for the iphone, which is the number one hand set in the world, which also converts into a taser, a stun gun. >> wow. >> he's -- he's trying to raise money on one of the crowd funding sites called indy go go. it's not doing that great. he's got $12,000 and about 13 days and his funding request is 100 grand but we'll -- the rules are different, he'll get to keep the money he gets -- gets pledged to him. and he's going to fill orders. we talk about, there's an app for that and now there's a cover for this. >> i guess. i wonder if the company, taser, is going to be interested in this technology -- >> wel there are lots of stun gun type things, but literally, this has to be the first thing that actually attaches to your phone. and the idea is you always have your phone. there's that theory. >> okay, all right, so, this has a kick, i guess. i want to read you what the inventor told us. "well, i knew that if i was going to put this thing out in the world, i had to test it on myself. that's what i did." and then he added, "it hurts." and we're assuming this is a pretty tough guy. so -- >> well, you know, 650,000 volts, whatever it is. of course, in the funding video, there isn't a piece of him actually getting stunned by this. we're going to have to take his word for it. now, to the big stories ahead in the news this week. from the white house to wall street, our correspondents tell you what you need to know ahead of monday morning. we begin with the president's campaign plans for the week. >> i'm athena jones at the white house. in another sign that the campaign season is heating up, president obama visiting two battleground states this week. he will speak in ohio on monday and he spends thursday and friday traveling across florida, visiting four cities including orlando in a region that was central to his 2008 victory in the state. he'll hit the red state of texas on tuesday, for fund raisers in san antonio and austin. >> after fund-raising monday in mississippi and louisiana, mitt romney heads tuesday to pennsylvania and wednesday to ohio, both considered important swing states in the race for the white house. >> on the heels of new details of jpmorgan's massive trading loss and better than expected profits, citigroup, goldman sachs, bank of america and morgan stanley will report earnings. and we'll hear from heavy hitters on the dow. like american express coke and microsoft. and tech giants microsoft, google, ibm and intel. also on wall street's radar, federal reserve chairman bernanke will testify on capitol hill. on the economic calendar, we'll get some insight into the struggling housing market and retail sales. >> here's what we're watching this week, more continuing coverage of tom cruise and katie holmes and how they are splitting their time with their daughter suri. and, of course, you remember the original karate kid, right? he's going to be here on "showbiz tonight." we're going to talk about his brand new tv project. all right, thank you, a.j. a mystery illness that killed dozens of children is no longer a mystery. dr. sanjay gupta explains how two doctors teamed up to crack the case in cambodia and save untold lives. that's next. >> you don't have to be in front of a television to watch cnn. stay connected, do it on your cell phone or do it from your computer at work. just go to cnn.com/tv. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. we want to update you on a story we told you about this time last week. dozens of children in cambodia dying from a mystery illness. it isn't a mystery anymore, though, thanks to two french doctors that are living there. our dr. sanjay gupta explains how they cracked the case. >> reporter: the only thing doctors knew for sure was when the children arrived at the hospital, they were dying. and fast. a fever, convulsions. and then, the lungs, completely destroyed. since the end of april, doctors in cambodia struggled with a medical mystery. and that mystery was ultimately solved right over here. blood samples from those sick and dying children were brought to this laboratory, analyzed, like you see right over there and eventually they concluded that there were different pathogens. all of those infections were made worse by the use of steroids. the crack this case, the lab had to work backyards. first, eliminate known viruses, like sars and avian flu. >> the first thing that goes through your head is, to try to determine whether this is one of the usual suspects that you haven't detected before. if it is, has it mutated or changed in such a way that it causes more severe disease? or is it something completely new? >> reporter: these two doctors, french, living in cambodia, solved the mystery. one of the things that we heard several times now from the world health organization is, no steroids should be used. they seem to say that steroids made this problem worse. >> when you have a dying child, you try to use what you have at hand. and they were right to try that. now, whether or not it helps remains to be determined. >> reporter: i don't want to belabor this point but they really seemed to indicate that it hurt. that these infections, a lot of times, they can be a problem but they're not particularly dangerous. but something pushes them over the top. and they thought that the steroids seemed to be a common denominator. >> from the cases that we reviewed, almost all of the children died and almost all of them had steroids. >> reporter: steroids can be a to ten anti-inflammatory. but when given to children with aggressive infections, steroids can sue press the body's own immune system, allowing the infection to become worse. as was the case with ev-71. you hear a lot about avian flu. ev-71, as far as they could tell, really had not been in cambodia before, for sure. why does it suddenly appear like this and why does it appear with such a vengeance? >> it looks like this has emerged strongly, probably because it had not circulated to the same, with the same intensity in the past years. >> reporter: it's believed that a slight variation in the ev-71 made the virus stronger. and the steroids made the bodies resistance even weaker. so, case closed? it sounds like the case is closed now, from your standpoint? >> yes, i think we can close the case. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, cambodia. how do we americans view public figures when they fall from grace? do we judge them on their lifetime of work or the reason for their fall? that discussion, coming up next. 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[ flo speaking japanese ] [ shouting in japanese ] we work wherever you work. now, that's progressive. call or click today. half past the hour now. let's take a look at the top stories of the day. a very senior syrian official breaks ranks with damascus and now supports the rebels. this man, the one-time syrian ambassador to iraq. he says president bashar al assad is a dictator that rules syria by decree and the only solution to the conflict is international military intervention. florida's lieutenant governor is trying to squash a nasty allegation a former female staffer alleges that carroll had an inappropriate sexual relationship with her. carroll calls the allegations outlandish. the staffer already faces charges of making an illegal reporting in the capital. >> i haven't done anything wrong. it's a total lie. immediately, i become an individual that's now accused and in america, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and now i'm guilty until proven innocent. >> meantime, robert kennedy jr.'s estranged wife was buried again today. the family moved mary kennedy's body to a new grave site in the same cemetery on cape cod. they also bought 50 surrounding plots, which will be reserved for her six children. mary hanged herself in may after battling depression for much of her life. well, can a tarnished legacy ever recover? penn state coach joe paterno was held up at the example of everything that was right in college sports. winning with integrity. academics, running a clean football program. a true sports legend. now look at this. it is a mural near penn state that featured paterno with a halo over his head. yesterday, the artist that painted that mural removed the halo. he also removed jerry sandusky from the same mural earlier this year. earlier tonight, i spoke to cnn contributors and i asked their thoughts on that penn state report released just a few days ago and what the findings are going to mean for joe paterno's legacy. >> people said, oh, his legacy has been completely shredded. i don't even think it's shredded. i think it's been rewritten. in the face of what we know, in the face of what the report confirms, 400-some odd victories seem kind of trivial. the way this is really his last act in a lot of ways. people have bad acts and then have a long career where they can make up for it. that's not the case here. his whole reputation was predicated on this righteousness. wasn't as though this was a random bad act. this completely undercut what he stood for. i think this, like it or not, this is really his legacy now, unfortunately. >> and lz, paterno's family has come out and they've said, look, joe paterno was not perfect but he's human and he came forward and spoke out more than anyone else has in this in terms of those under fire right now. what do you think, lz? does he get remembered for all he did right or does this carry him? >> well, unfortunately for him, a lot of people in this country don't know what he did right. you know, i know it seems as if -- i obviously, we're in sports, you know, sports is our world, but for a lot of people, the first time they heard of joe paterno was from the sandusky trial. they only know this about him. and that's what makes this difficult and why his legacy will be defined by this case. it isn't because he wasn't a good person at penn state. sandusky trial stretched so far beyond the realm of sports. it was in everyone's living room. it defined who he was who didn't know him as the coach. just joe paterno, the coach who didn't teal about his assistant raping boys. >> that's a very interesting point. you know, over the past few days, his former competitor and also very close friend, former florida state football coach bobby bowden was asked about paterno's legacy and he was asked if that statue outside of beaver stadium should come down, he said he thinks it should. the university has not made a decision. he was asked about paterno's legacy. listen to this. you can really hear the pain in his voice. take a listen. >> you know what his legacy's going to be. it's going to be this. now, this is -- i used to warn my football players over and over. you be good, you be good, you be good, you set a good name, you get a good reputation, you can kill it in 15 minutes. you can kill it by one act. this is what's happened to -- in joe's situation. >> yeah. you know, so, let's broaden this out, john, and talk about other public figures in sports that have been in the center of controversy. i really want to know, people are telling me on twitter, you can't compare sandusky terrible acts to anyone else, but if you talk about pete rose, roger clemens, lance armstrong, just the fact that, whether or not they are vindicated or not, their names were tannished and they were at the top of their game. what do you think when you look broader at sports and legacy? >> yeah, i mean, i think athletes are a little different than coaches, and i think that athletes, for better or worse, we don't expect them necessarily to be perfect. obviously, taking steroids is not something to condone, but the records and the home runs and you can make a statistical case. when you are a coach, a leader, especially joe paterno, whose whole image is predicated on morality and righteousness, it's been blown up by this. the cover up is what seals it. he's in a much worse spot than a lance armstrong or barry bonds. >> the point that you made earlier, having time to do things after to make up. not only was this paterno's worst moment, it was really right near the end of his life and this report came out after he died. lz, talk politics, talk about someone like president clinton, despite the lewinsky scandal, he's still massively popular. adored by so many. still very supported. or look at a nixon and watergate. what's your tame take, lz, and what does it have to do with timing? >> well, a lot of it has to do with timing. but it's the degree of what the scandal or controversy happens to be. and what you just proposed that to. when it comes to president clinton, had he run on a policy of family values, i'm a strong christian man, don't you ever cheat on your wife, i think we would look at him and monica lewinsky a little differently than what we do now. that's because he didn't run on that type of platform. the same thing with nixon. partal of the reason why nixon is only remembered for watergate is because of the type of persona he presented to the public prior to that scandal. and then, of course, i'm not a crook and that whole sort of thing. so, i really think that in terms of the reason why it hurts paterno so much is the same thing john's been talking about. the platform that he's had his persona based upon. being a person of integrity. and i want to make sure that we point out the fact, this isn't a single act. the freeh report says this was over 14 years. you're going to make a singular mistake to a consciousness to have a coverup. and that really tarnishes the conversation. president clinton, you can pretty much say he had a weak moment with a young lady in his white house. but it's hard to describe that when you have 14 years of a coverup with paterno. well, big thanks to john and lz for joini me earlier tonight for that conversation. meantime, thousands of criminal convictions are right now under government review because the lab work results might be flawed. coming up, my conversation with a former fbi special agent about how this happened. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? 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>> well, you know, i didn't, and i would venture to say most of the agents would not know. if that happened, that's -- that sounds bad on the surface, we need to get that corrected. i will tell you that me and most of the agents i worked with would go out of their way to work real hard to make sure that the person that was potentially going to be indicted, arrested and hopefully convicted, that it was a righteous case. meaning that there was no doubt that that person was guilty. we're not talking 99% or 99.9%. it has to be 100%. if it's not 100%, it's not worth going. the justice system, cannot be allowed to be broken that way. >> in the cases that you dealt with that exonerated these men, you said that one of the biggest challenges was dealing wh families on both sides, reopening that wound that families thought was settled on both sides. explain. >> well, really, you know, there are always going to be at least minimum of two victims. you've got, if someone wrongfully goes to jail, that is, you have the person who is in jail who is the victim and then you have all the family members of the person, in these cases, they were murders. but you have every one of those people, and that extended family. they think, the family does, that justice has been served. and then all of a sudden, something comes up and says, we're going to turn this cart upside down and we're going to shake it up and somebody's going to walk away, which means a lot of time has passed, how do we find the person who calls this crime, who calls my loved one to maybe die? that's very unsettling. >> that also brings up the issue of statute of limitations and whether or not it is indeed leaning towards another person after one is exonerated if they can even be tried, depending on the crime. >> it does. and it requires, and when i said an amount of time, it isn't just investigative time, it's attorney time and research. you have to go back in there and hopefully uncover evidence that will allow the attorneys to create an appeal on new evidence. difficult task. >> absolutely. harold, thank you so much for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. going broke. from wall street to main street. now, entire cities. the paychecks for firefighters and police in one town, now minimum wage. >> this is a catastrophic blow. i need to provide for my family. just this week san bernardino declared bankruptcy, weeks before stockton, california did the same. now police and firefighters are getting paid minimum wage, $7.25 an hour. your some of the big cities right on the edge of financial disave thor? i spoke with economist scranton. he told me the problem is u.s. trade policy. >> the problem is china. what does china have to do with scranton and san bernardino? everything. we lost 6 million manufacturing jobs. we have 25 million people, poppy, in this country underemployed, not earning a descent wage and the reason why is we don't make stuff any more. we consume more than we make. and the tragedy of these cities is that they can't do anything. the only thing they can do is basically penalize people and cut their wages or cut pensions or make the bond holders take a hair cut. that's the only thing we can do and bankruptcy a tool do that. >> let's talk, gary. skrant skrnt scranton not bankrupt yet. would this allow them to pay firefighters and police more minimum wage? it would raise the cost of borrowing more significantly. effect the bond market which would effect investors there and affect the people there. >> but the city shouldn't do all of the borrowing its down. we have hundred million in outstanding debt. 55 million in authority debt that authority defaulted on pt the problem and the reason we can't pay our public servants is pennsylvania because we are paying 8 to 10 million year in basically debt service costs. we need to get that under control. we need to restructure the debt. we need to address the pengs which are becoming a massive problem in and other massive expense for the city. we can't simply just cut the salaries of our employees and say that saves us money. er with contractually obligated to pay money. they will win that lawsuit. >> it is interesting -- >> you know what is funny here, poppy? it sounds like he is talking about the federal government. because it's the same problem. we've got an economy that's not performing so we can't pay our bills and nobody gets it. so if you are in scranton, you think it's scranton problem. if you are in san bernardino deen why, you think it is a san bernardino problem. our cities are dying because our economy is dying and our economy is dying because we don't make stuff any more. we have to get our manufacturing jobs back. that's why we have presidential elections. i want it hear romney and obama talk about getting manufacturing back to scranton, san bernardino and everywhere in between. >> the country has lost jobs in the millions, if you look in the last decade alone. >> why do you say that, poppy? ? >> why do you say those jobs aren't coming back some. >> because i talked to the heads of the big, big companies, general electric and others, that brought some of the jobs back here. but a lot of them aren't coming back, steve jobs said the same thing with apple. >> this is not going to be fix overnight. this is not something you can fix overnight. you can't make jobs -- >> guys -- >> off-shore, off-shore and china. they make a bunch of money over there and take their jobs out of schenectady and they tell you that we can never get them back. >> professor, i want to give -- i want to give gary the last word here. i want it preface it by saying the mayor told vallejo, the l.a. times, it was a bad idea. cost 10 million in legal fees. didn't cut many of their cost sugly. he said it hurt their reputation. that is something to think about too, right, gary? >> it absolutely is. if you look at the problem we have, we can't simply keep going wait we are. we need to look the at structural deficit. creating jobs is a great idea, not something that happens overnight. if we do this correctly, have a properly planned bankruptcy we can reduce the deficit, the union, cut the fat and get the city operating. skrant scranton has 86 million in deficit and 56 million. it doesn't mean we can't cut the gap. we need to do something at the local level and bankruptcy does that. >>. well, when they sent up voyager, you wonder if they ever thought about this. voyager is about to make something that's never gone by us ever before. that's next. also unscented. women love it. in original and also fragrance-free. women love it. so what i'm saying is, people like options. when you take geico, you can call them anytime you feel like saving money. it don't matter, day or night. use your computer, your smartphone, your tablet, whatever. the point is, you have options. oh, how convenient. hey. crab cakes, what are you looking at? 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