Transcripts For SFGTV BOS Land Use Committee 20240712

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Finally, items acted upon today are expected to appear on the board of supervisors agenda on october 20th, unless otherwise stated. Chairman thank you, ms. Major. We could you please read the first item. Sure. Item number one is an ordinance admitting the administrative code to require city departments to report annually, information about the cost of vehicles, the departments have registered for period of longer than 30 days, to authorize the city administrator to inspect or provide maintenance, to provide information to the city and the board of supervisors, and to authorize the city administrator to require departments to provide plans. Call the number streaming on the stream, 4156550001. And the meeting i. D. Is 1467653310, and press pound and pound again. If you have not done so already, please press star 3to be added to speak. Thank you. Chairman thank you, ms. Major. Were joined by the chief sponsor of this item, which has long fought for this change in Public Policy, the president of the board, supervisor norman yee. With that, i will turn it over to president yee. Okay, thank you, chair peskin for your cosponsorship, and thank you, supervisors safai and preston. As a city, we have committed to vision zero goals, to end pedestrian fatalities by 2024. This year has been especially tragic, giving that were living through a Global Pandemic and should find respite in being able to walk, bike, without fear of being hit. Another issue that has come to light light is something we need to selfreflect on. As a city, were doing everything we can to be safer when we are on the roads in cityowned and leased vehicles. In 2016, we passed an ordinance to install vehicle telemanics, or black boxes, in our city vehicles and expanded that to Public Safety vehicles in 2019. This Technology Helps us with department deploymen deployment, c. E. O. Efficiency, and date to to help us be safer on the roads. Overall the goals are to cut government waste and to improve safety. I want to thank the city administrator, kelly, and her team, with fleet management, for their partnership and collaboration throughout the years in implementing this program. Now we have some data to help us dent fee problem identim spots. We want to further strengthen our program and help to curb the unsafe driving were seeing in our city vehicles. I would like to first bring up the budget legislative annual staff to present earlier and some of the chief findings that earlier this year the budget b. L. A. Helped us produce a report on vehicle telemanics and vehicle leasing. Fred bestou and Jillian Metcalf are here to present their findings. Fred and jillian, are you ready to present . Yes, we are. To the budget and legislative analysts office, the floor is all of yours. Thank you. As you mentioned, president yee, we completed a report this year analyzing the vehicle telemanics equipment use in the city vehicle fleet. This is the second report weve done on this topic. The first one was in 2015, when the equipment was first being installed. So now this many years later, we went back and we were able to collect and analyze data on what some of the results of that have been. And what weve found is that the equipment can collect some very useful data, but it is not being put to use as affectively as would be desirable. So were not seeing improvements in areas such as speeding, aggressive driving, emissions control, takehome vehicle monitoring, and use of rental vehicles. Jillian metcalf will now provide a summary of the report, and then were available to answer questions. Jillian, do you have lines ready . I have them ready. Is there a way i can share my screen on my side . I believe you just go to share tray and the little three dots. There we go. Sorry, my modem was changed. Good afternoon supervisors. Thank you for having us here to speak today. Again, my name is julian metcalf. Just for the sake of common definition, when we speak of vehicle telemanics, were talking about black boxes or g. P. S. Tracking, allowing for vehicle location tracking, collecting and reporting on history, speed, mechanical diagnostics and other information. Youll notice on the bottom lefthand corner, a unit that is commonly plugged into the vehicles, and on the right, a screen that can be used to administer and monitor the system. The 2020 report, there were some key findings. Information from 2019 showed that 52 of the fleet had the technology installed, and an ordinance that was requiring Public Safety vehicles to an expected to add another 1,000 vehicles. We learned that simply having the technology installed doesnt mean it is used as promise. They collect and report only minimal data to the departments, and there is no department for collecting problems. One example is 365 vehicles we found based on the criteria that we considered underutilized. Monitoring and use of the system is generally centralized across departments. And when we spoke with departments, we saw a large variety of uses, from some supervisors and fleet managers that were barely engaged in the system, and others that were a little more handsoff. Across the board, the use was varied and inconsistent from department to department. There are areas that could be more affectively monitored, such as safety, aggressive driving, speeding, underutilization of vehicles, rental vehicle use, and takehome vehicle use. I would like to speak about safety for a moment. When we looked at the speeding data for a 13month period, we saw 2,619 that had speeding over the posted speed limit. Of them, 768 vehicles reported more than 50 incidents in the same period. It should be noted that the system does not record who is driving the vehicle. It is something that the departments monitor and maintain information on. So individuals could have driven multiple vehicles or poodle vehicles could have had multiple drivers accounting for this information. The same thing can be said that trips may have multiple speeding incidents. You may drive for two hours and speed three times, and those would be three separate speeding incidents. 16. 3. Of the speeding incidents were between 20 and 29 Miles Per Hour, at this speed, a risk to pedestrians, bicyclists and other vehicles. It is a little more difficult to show it against the posted speed limit, and ill explain briefly. G. P. S. Can have that variance, so if youre driving on a speedway, past the posted speed limit, say 55 Miles Per Hour, they think youre on a nearby surface street, with a 25 mileanhour speed limit, it may inaccurately report youre going over the speed limit if it thinks youre on that street, when youre not. So we created buffers. And we excluded those vehicles. And we excluded some vehicles not recording the speedometer information because they were using a different technology, where they can have issues within urban canyons and big buildings. All said, we reduced the speeding incidents that were reported to us by about half. So what were reporting here we believe to be a very conservative data set that looks at what we believe has fewer errors, and while there still could be some errors we have left in, that we cant detect, we believe that there is far more accurate ones here than if we looked at the entire thing. So it may reflect fewer speeding incidents than are occurring in reality. One of the other areas that is not currently reported and used is aggressive behavior. This system can report on harsh braking and harsh acceleration. And while there may be incidents where once in a while those are needed for defensive driving, the lack of regular reporting misses the opportunity to find repetitive aggressors chairman julian, im sorry to interrupt, but is there a way to make this fit the full screen and go back to the last graph . Yes. I apologize. I thought this was fitting the whole screen. Let me try a different view. Is that better . Chairman that is way better. Im terribly sorry. Chairman so can you explain that graph, which i am looking at really closely . Can you explain that graph . Absolutely. This is a distribution of all of the speeding incidents that we analyze. So you can see that chairman and the timeframe is what . It is from september 2018 to the end of september 2019. So it is a 13month period. Chairman okay. Go ahead. Yes. And on the far left side of the graph are the 10 Miles Per Hour to almost 11 Miles Per Hour, and thats when the majority not the majority, but many of the speeding incidents occur. And you can see a tapering off as you get to almost 29 Miles Per Hour. And the part in the bracket is the 16. 3 that is between 20 and 29Miles Per Hour over a speed limit. It could be a case where someone is on a freeway going 29 over, or on a surface street and going 29 over. Chairman is this a data set that excluded the canyons and surface streets that were proximate to freeways . Yes. This is the cleaned and refined data set. Chairman this is the conservative data set . Correct. Chairwoman chairman got it. Thank you. Absolutely. And on the next screen, you can see and this is also the conservative and clean data set the distribution of the speeding incidents around the city, on the left, and around the state as well. You can see it occurs on both freeway areas and also in residential and Business Districts where you would expect to see pedestrians. I want to speak briefly on rental vehicles. The city uses a contract with enterprise rentaca rentacar. Telemanics technology is currently installed on all of the rented focuses. In f. Y. 16 and 19, the city spent 1. 3 million on the contract. The contract, we learned, is not current, centrally monitored by the citys Administrative Office on contact management or central shops. Neither approve individual rental, either. When we spoke to the office of contract management and got a copy of the contract, we learned that the vendors are supposed to be emailing them annual reports. There was no record of annual reports in their email systems, and when we asked for an update to get the information we used in our annual circumstance it took several months for enterprise to produce it. They currently have a system where it is essentially designed indescernable . When we did get the data, we found there were 55 instances where cars were rented for more than one year. Which in our opinion affects the board of supervisors budget approval for vehicle purchases. This is because vehicle purchases come from one line item, and the rental fees come from another line item, so they dont get the same annual approval. When we looked at the data further chairman mr. Metcalf, in what departments did this behavior take place . Id be happy to pull that up in just a moment. But it happened in a couple. I dont have that right in front of me. If you give me a moment, id be happy to grab that. Chairman take your time. We want to know that. I dont want to have to leave this to go get to the department information. Chairman no. No. Well circle back to that. Okay. Okay. Perfect. We found that let me get the number real fast, the 18. 6 of the vehicles were rented, and enterprise rental cars classified with luxury, premium, or elite. One of the issues we found is we didnt know if these were justified. We can come up with this in circumstances where it would make sense, it was a particular vehicle without a stock and it was the only thing available. And some of the vehicles werent classifications and rates that managed what was in the city contract. But without any type of monitoring or central review, it is unclear if these were appropriate uses or not. And then in the end, we found that more could be done, to curb dangerous driving, reduce emissions, lower speed and potential waste to vehiclerelated use. These factors cost the city 10. 5 Million Dollars annually, with unnecessary purchases and maintenance. We believe that central shops could be monitoring more in the area of incidents of speeding, aggressive driving behavior, inappropriate use of vehicles, excessive vehicle emissions, rental uses, and underutilized vehicles as well. It doesnt include enough of these affective metrics. Our report recommends that the board recommend a minimum set of details measures for central shops to track and report, and corrected plans and data showing that there have been improvements. We recommended reporting on takehome vehicles and rental vehicles, which should be instituted. And these are covered in the current proposal for legislation, and our recommendations also covered that central shops could use this effort to assist departments when investigating an correcting any possible negative behaviors. Additional staff for this could be considered, and the cost of that additional staff could be offset in the savings from claims and unnecessary vehicle purchases. And the frequency and outcomes of these investigations, including the resulting improvements, should be annually reported to the board of supervisors to determine if these efforts are affective in having the desired impact. And the board of supervisors could request that the city administrator or Mayors Office assume responsibility for enforcing policies and procedures to improve driver behavior. And finally there is some room for some additional monitoring and reporting of takehome and rental vehicles. Chairman okay mr. President . Thank you. Before we ask anymore questions of the b. L. A. , i would like to give city administrator kelly to just kind of talk. She has to leave by 2 00, and her staff, adam and don, will be here if there are further questions. Ms. Kelly . Good afternoon, supervisors, naomi kelly, city administrator. Thank you forgiving me the opportunity to speak today. I have a bit of a presentation that will be coming up shortly. There we go. Lets see. Next slide. Next one. [inaudible] i enjoyed working wit with if they can mute themselves, that would be great. It has really been a team effort working with supervisor yee, central shops, and our data team, to try to get these black boxes, and not just vehicles i know the budget and legislative analyst has over 7,000 vehicles, but it is not really 7,000 vehicles. A lot of that is also equipment that we have put the black boxes onto. We probably have a little over 4,000 vehicles. But weve established and managed a citywide Term Contract to consolidate all city departments on the same telemanics system. And we partnered to install and maintain 4,198 telemanics devices and our equipment. We develop and issue monthly dashboard reports to the department. The dashboards are not just giving a canned dashboard to those departments. We sit down and meet monthly with those fleet managers and the different departments, their h. R. Staff, and when needed, we escalate to the Department Head. We have worked with data s. F. To analyze the vehicle patterns, which created an opportunity, when we saw underutilized vehicles and presented it to Department Heads, they recognized they dont each all need a vehicle, that theyve going t gone to a poolig system. The Department Heads have agreed to use a vehicle pool based off of the data we got out of telemanics. We use the data to evaluate and make recommendations to Department Vehicle budgets for the last couple of years. We have worked with both of Mayors Office and the board of supervisors on providing data on underutilization or whether or not a Department Needs a new vehicle or not. That process has been in place, and we plan to, with this legislation, make that process even more robust. Next slide, please. The benefits weve increased vehicle utilization. Weve identified and retired over 300 underutilized vehicles since 2018. Although its still not good, we still have a lot of work to do, but we have reduced highspeed incidents by twothirds since the launch. We still have a lot of work to do because this is the vision zero in pedestrian and city safety. The continuous testing programs, and approximately 1300 vehicles are participating and it led to an annual savings of 79,000. And it does allow us to do realtime monitoring, and this legislation were supportive of the legislation with some base lines to even improve that. Next slide, please. And i thought id give you just an example of a dashboard. This is animal care and control. I think this was done in july. But you can see what a dashboard looks like when they go to the departments. It is not just canned. We have conversations with them. We have a conversation that says, it looks like you have one vehicle that has been underutilized. It was a pickup truck that they used to go pick up dead animals when theyre needed, and so it is not always on the road. You can see there are some vehicle speeding incidents, which has been used and presented to the department. It was probably in response to going up going back and forth to the north to help with the fires. The freeways are where we have the speeding incidents occur. Both conversations are being had at that department. You can kind of see why a dashboard looks like idling. If we can say, hey, make sure when you get out of the car, you turn it off. They may have a reason to keep the vehicle idling, you may have an animal in the car, but this gives a dashboard where you can have a conversation with that department, and they can start investigating with their personnel what is going on to make sure we get to that vision zero that were looking for, and the cost savings and the efficiencies. So that is my quick presentation. Again, im supportive of supervisor yee and chair peskin and this legislation. We look forward to partnering with the board of supervisors and the Mayors Office. And however we can get those reports to you on a regular basis. Chairman thank you, city administrator kelly. President yee, if i may just ask, before our city administrator has to run, if you have any comments on the revelations by the budget and legislative analysts as it relates to the car rental situation . As high as 183 a day with rentals that lasted in some cases over a year. Do you have any comments or policy suggestions on that . Yes. Supervisor yee and i discussed this, and for the record, it is not my department or adman services. What were recommending is that through the budget, we work with the controller o establish a line item in the budget so that when departments come forth, because we assume vehicles would be in the vehicle program, and folks werent leasing outside of that program, that if you are leasing vehicles, it has to be specifically approved by the board of supervisors, and it is a line item within the budget. I know there are some oneoffs, like emergencies, which is really a shortterm, if were responding to an earthquake or responding to a fire, not a pandemic, this seems to go on and on, that you lease, and fema requires you to lease vehicles to respond to an emergency. But that is usually a very, very shortterm, a few days and not years. My recommendation is we work with the controller and put a line item in so that the board and the mayor can approve those leases. Chairman so, ms. Kelly, thank you for those responses. Respectfully, i know it is not in your department, but everything is in your department and our department. Were Department Number one, and it all kind of rolls up here to the mayor and the city administrator. So theyre all our departments. But having said that, maybe because you can bury small cities in our budget maybe any and all rentals and leases need to be overseen by the city administrator, and i would hazard to say that based on what we have found out through president yees good work and the budget and ledges halegislative analysts good work, we need to set laws. If i need to introduce an amendment to the annual appropriations ordinance to stop this kind of behavior, i mean i get it. There may be instances outside of an emergency where you need to rent a car for 21 a day, but an electric vehicle for 183 . Were going to go back to the b. L. A. To hear about it. It sounds like rampant abuse to the tune of 10. 5 million a year. We agree there should be checks and measures in there, and we would be happy to partner with you to get those checks and measures in. I agree. Chairman thank you. With that, i will go back to president yee, but i want to hear from the b. L. A. Relative to what departments are using this and why, and at what price points, and at what intervals. I mean, there is a difference between youve got a need and youve got to rent a car for a couple of days, or a couple of hours, and over a year, which just, i mean, is starting. Unbelievable, really. Yeah. So thank you city administrator kelly. I know you have to take off. You thought it was important enough to show up at the beginning. So back to. Ah. Mr. Metcalf, are you still there . Yeah. Yes. Why dont you go first, supervisor peskin, with your line of questioning that you may have for them. Right. So thank you, president yee. To the budget and legislative analyst, so this is a little outside of really the legislation that were discussing, relative to what president yee has been working on for a long time. Although there are definitely instances of speeding in noncityowned vehicles. And thats, i think, what got you to this revelation. So if you could just share with us, fred or julian, the actual numbers and apartments that account for these cars, the length that theyve been rented, the price points at which theyve been rented, which, as you said, range between 21 and 183. 10, if you can drill down into that, i think everybody on this committee and president yee would like to hear that. Jillian, d julian, do you hae reportable that i could put up on the screen . Yeah. The report table, if we go to the actual report itself. On page 28 im not sure the members have it with them. But we can put it up on the screen. Is this visible to everybody . Chairman can you magnify that . There you go. Just a little more. Perfect. Silent. This chart doesnt break down it doesnt have the 55 that has rented for over a year, chair peskin, that you had asked about. Those i looked at separately, and that covers mostly Police Departments and p. E. C. And then there is this category of vehicles with no department listed, who have rented it for over a year. Exclusive of this chart, which gets into the overall population, the 55 was two known departments and the then some unknown. Chairwoman would you chaiu have unknown departments . Thats how it came back from enterprise. There was no department listed. Chairman is there a representative of the Controllers Office in this meeting . Hold on. Let me look at participants. Wait a second. I dont see anybody from the Controllers Office, which makes sense because it is the land use committee. But i will suggest that we either call for a separate hearing on this ordinance, but i would really like to do the Controllers Office to identify the unidentified departments . We did not. There were five vehicles that were unidentified in this case. So it was a small year. A couple of those were for over a year. I would say two of those were for over a year. Chairman can you go back do to the 55 vehicles, please . Yes. Absolutely. It is difficult to explain the data i have. They provide it on a monthtomonth basis, so it is not compressed. So i have the monthly listing in front of me. I can get you a more refined table, just not at this very moment, with the 55 and information on the 55. But it is mostly the police department, and there is one instant of airport commission, as i scroll through it, a hospital. Chairman this sounds like we might duplicate the file to use it as a vehicle, so to speak, for a hearing or to introduce a separate hearing request. This seems like a total end run on the work that ib did 15 years ago, and supervisor katie tang did a half dozen years ago to get around this entire notion of fleet management. I would be more than happy to provide a more detailed table on this. Im sorry i dont have it available today. Chairman all right. With that, ill go back to president yee. Thank you. Before i so when we started this process, we knew that there could be improvements that can be made in regards to safety and also efficiency. And this is what was evident from other locations that installed these black boxes. And one of the things we didnt put in the first initial legislation to get these things installed was the enforcement piece. And part of it was to thinking that if the departments would have the data, they would seek to have some improvements within their own departments in regards to things like idling, speeding, reckless driving, and so forth. One of the things was that part of the initial telemanics legislation . Was this focused on leaving of vehicles . So this particular report actually flushed that out somewhat. And what this report also flushed out was that even though we knew the data now, that in terms of longterm impacts of improvements, we didnt see that much of it. So the attempt of todays piece of legislation is to tighten it up even further. And we were careful to balance how much we want to tighten versus huge we want to spend to tighten it, knowing that were going into a budget year that is going to be tough. So in my opinion, this there are a couple of steps, not just one step, further to actually be able to utilize the data that were collecting. In my mind, also, i dont think it is the most aggressive. It could be even more ag greaggressive. But the hope today is that by passing this legislation with the particular requests for departments, that we will start seeing improvements. One of the things, before i get into that one of the things i want to ask b. L. A. Or even actually to ask the city administrator staff whether or not they actually saw any initial improvement when we first installed the telemanics, and what happened . Chairman and, president yee, before we do that, mr. Metcalf, if you could relinquish your screen . Thank you. Mr. Wynn . Adam wynn for the City Administrators Office. Telemanics has been around in the city for quite a while. It started roughly about 15 years ago in various departments on different systems. And i know back then, during that time, there were immediate improvements that were noticed. The system allowed you to track, for instance, instantaneously, it notified of speeding incidents, and that would send an email alert to the person that was identified by the system. That, in turn, could then be forwarded to a staff supervisor, and the person could be contacted very soon thereafter to let them know they were being monitored, that speeding was inappropriate, dangerous, and they should not be doing it. Back with the old system, it was kind of a singleincidentrelated management. With the more Current System that we have now and the way weve evolved over the past 10, 15 years, basically we provide the reporting back to the departments. They can identify the employees. When we did so back in 2017, 2018, as we did a more systematic launch, we saw all departments on the same system. We were able to basically provide them with dashboards and say you have a very high count of speeding incidents; we need to get a handle on this. Please reduce that to as close to zero as possible. It really should be zero when it comes to 80 Miles Per Hour. When we did that, in the two months after that, when we had meetings with Department Heads, we saw speeding literally drop off by twothirds. And it has sustained at that level for the past two years. But it has been tricky to get it down below there. I think with increased focus, with more reporting on it to Department Heads, clear scrutiny by the board, i think we can get that number to be quite a bit lower. Chairman okay. And what about the gas usage in terms of idling . Idling has been a tricky one. The idling date has basically been constant. We have heighted thi highlightes to departments consistently. It was basically sending back inaccurate data because vehicles such, back in the day, hybrid vehicles it confused the system, so the battery would basically be on, and the vehicle would not be running the gasoline engine, but it thinks it is idling. That would cause problems where the reporting was simply not as useful. There were definitely incidences where we would see vehicles that would idle for many hours at a time, and it would be very suspicious. We would look at the vehicle and see it was 100 gasoline, and then we would provide that report to the department, and the department would find that this is a City Employee misusing it, and leaving the car on all day where they were supposed to be working. It was used for disciplinary incidences. With heavy equipment, the vehicle has to be on in order for the vehicle to work. In those cases, when you see idling from a department such as rec park, the idling, as long as it is within normal level, it is not unreasonable. But it is a nuance discussion you have to have with each department and their mixture of equipment and vehicles. Chairman and president yee, if youll just give me a second. Relative to the total breakdown of every vehicle that has this black box, how much is heavy construction . How many . That, i actually dont know offhand. I would have to go back and look at the data to provide that to you. Id be happy to do so. Chairman one would intuitively think that the vast majority of these vehicles are not heavy construction vehicles; they are, quote, unquote, normal vehicles. So id really like to know what the breakdown of that is. Id be happy to get that for you. Chairman because, i mean, i get it. If weve got telemanics in every heavy construction vehicle in this town, how many do we have . And those, i can assume, can and should idle. But police car or the car that is being used by the airport or the p. U. C. Should not. Im sorry. You were on mute. But go ahead. President yee . Oh, who was on mute . I wasnt on mute. Chairman never mind. I saw your lips moving. Our report does have a breakdown. I dont know if you have the actual document there, but figure two on our report and i could pop it up on the screen if you want, but it shows what youre saying. The majority of vehicles that have the Equipment Installed are cars, traditional sedans and pickups, and not heavy equipment. So thats the majority of the vehicles. With the Equipment Installed. Chairman so the idling data must be larger than construction vehicles. That means that traditional sedans are idling as well. Right. They are certainly the lions share of the fleet where this is being tracked, are cars and pickups, so that would follow that part of the idling problem includes those vehicles. Chairman so supervisor peskin, your point is welltaken. And maybe thats why i asked the question about idling. The focus hasnt been really intense around that. And im not understanding whether were improving or not. Because, as you know, idling if you idle a lot, then youre basically wasting fuel, which means youre basically polluting the air. And this i dont know about i cant break it down as well on this, but in other locations, theyve saved people have saved, like, 25 on their fuel consumption just because they stopped idling. So it is something that we should Pay Attention to much more in the future. Sure. For our environmental sake, and also for the budgets sake, in terms of what we spend for fuel. Go ahead, supervisor peskin, do you have anymore no. Please. If you want to speak to the amendments any further, if not, lets go to Public Comment. Chairman well, let me go ahead and do this. As i was saying, the ordinance today is to provide more stringent reporting from the department of vehicles used, and to provide the board a report, including but limits to rentals, takehome vehicles, and fuelefficiency. And as i mentioned earlier, we have already approached our city controller to have a budget line item for rentals, so we could actually separate automobiles that we buy versus rentals. So that we could actually ask logical questions around this. And, by the way, i want to back up a second here. In regards to the leased vehicles, i really wanted to put shine some light on what was happening during the budget process this year. And as it turned out, i was able to do that as much as i hoped for. There was a lot of discussion within the six months that we were able to get this report that the that people were concentrating on what to get out of the budget deficit, and so forth. I tried getting into that discussion with the police department, for instance, and p. U. C. , and it didnt go the too far. Im hoping that in future budget discussions, that that should be a topic and that should be brought up and highlighted. So a couple of things. Before departments lease vehicles for more than 30 days, we want to make sure they submit a report to the City Administrators Office five days in advance, so they dont just go out and lease it. Were asking for an amendment today to provide for emergency circumstances, in the event that a department has to lease a vehicle due to an emergency, they will have up to 15 days to report to the city administrator, but they must also provide a rationale for that emergency. And president yee, im sorry to interrupt you, but is that on page two . Is that page two, starting at line 16 down to line 25 . Is that correct . Actually, i dont have it. I cant find my thing here. Is jen are you on this meeting at all . Does anybody have that information . So i believe that in section 4. 101, subsection 2, youre asking to insert the words if a department determines it is necessary to immediately rent or lease one or more vehicles for a period of more than 30days, to address an emergency, the department is not required to submit a report, is that the language you were speaking to . Yes. Chairman thank you. My only question, and ms. Pearson, i assume youre in this meeting. Im playing ms. Pearson for the day. Deputy City Attorney pearson, as youve been watching the proceedings, is there a way to also include rental cars by each and every department within our Charter Authority . So that may not apply to the p. U. C. It may not apply to the court, but can we do that now . Thats a good question. So you want to expand the scope of the cars that are ce a little bit more for me what you have in mind . And then i think it will be easier for me to answer. Madam deputy City Attorney, i dont think it is an expansion of scope. The scope is the same. I just want to make sure that it brings in rental cars. As you heard previously, it turns out the city has a contract with enterprise rentacar, that is used by various departments for shortterm, oneday rentals at 21 a day, to longterm rentals, and there are some 55 cases that may be over a year. And so im asking if we can include rental cars in this provision. I agree, it doesnt seem like an expansion of the scope of what is being discussed, so i think you can include that in the ordinance. Thank you, madam deputy City Attorney. President yee . So did you want to add some additional language to the amendment . Chairman so i would, but i am not a lawyer. So i would actually like, when the Committee Considers these amendments, to suggest that the City Attorney craft amendments in and around this particular issue and present those amendments in final form when this gets to the full board. I think thats a good idea. Thanks. Chairman thank you, mr. President. Keep going. Okay. So thats the amendment. And then on a monthly basis, i think it has been articulated, but the city administrator will also be collecting reports from the department beyond what is already collected by telemanics technology. And we hope this helps serve as a reminder to departments through them analyzing their data and helping their drivers do better with efficiency and speeding. I want to say that were asking in this legislation for each department to come up with a corrected plan if there is speeding, for instance. And were asking them not to come up with a corrective plan after the problem has been discovered. But were asking that all departments come up with a plan, a corrective plan, within at least 30 days of passing this legislation so that if they run into those issues, they dont have to spend another month or two or three months to figure out what to do. Thats one of the things that i was very firm about. I think there was some pushback, saying, no, why should we do that when we dont have a problem . So thats in there. Were also asking the departments to develop this the main purpose of this is to do education, driver education, and less of a punitive approach at this point. As i mentioned earlier, i didnt want to go in that direction, but that is a direction that you would take if this doesnt work. I know our departments and city workers are carrying out critical work every day to serve our residents in supporting our infrastructure, but vision zero starts with us. Even when we arent in city vehicles, we should all be more careful on the road. I want to say this should be a part of our Daily Culture and practice, if we truly believe in vision zero. So i tried to summarize some of the things we wanted to do to firm up some of the actions we can take to tighten it up and make sure that our city drivers or city workers who are driving the vehicles, whether the city vehicles are leased from other entities, that they adhere to our vision zero policies. Which means slow down and drive safely. Those are the main features here. Thats it for me. Chairman thank you, president yee. Are there any members of the committee who would like to make any comments or suggestions. Supervisor preston. Thank you, chair peskin. I want to thank president yee for bringing this forward. This raises issues you were intending to raise, as well as other important ones by digging into this. These are various issues around potential financial ways for potential unnecessary emissions, and also the safety issues that youve raised. So i really want to thank you for bringing this forward. I would love to be added as a cosponsor. And i did have one question for related to the safety issues, just for mr. Metcalf, through the chair. Im curious. I saw the map that you put up briefly showing where the speeding was occurring im curious if there has been a an overlay of that map with our high injury network, in high injury streets in the city, and whether that has been looked at all or whether that is something that could be easily generated. Hi, this is julian metcalf. Yes, we did not do that analysis, but that is something we could put together. Chairman we can duplicate this file, depending on what supervisor yee wants, or we can have another hearing. I think it would be easier if we duplicate the file because there may be some other changes we can make going forward. I think that would be the most expedient. Thank you for that question, and thank you, mr. Metcalf, for that candid answer. Supervisor safai, anything you would like to add . Just my name says a cosponsor. Chairman oh, my gosh. All right. Why dont we open this up for Public Comment. Madam clerk. Thank you, mr. Chair. We have james from b. P. , assisting with Public Comment. James, can you cue in the first caller. [please stand by] start first and foremost within the city family. Thank you for all three of you for positive endorsement by this committee and i do love that supervisor prestons idea of overlaying the map of speeding with the high injury network. Its a great idea. Next speaker, please. Caller yes, i would like to i am very disappointed like others to hear that theres been this misuse of city funds and most san franciscans get around using transportation with certain exceptions and obviously the city doesnt have ambulances with a few exceptions. Most ambulances in the city are run by private corporations. The other one yeah. Most Government Employees can take Public Transit like most other san franciscans. Baing a disability or infirmity. If someone does need to take a care, we keep on hearing from taxi drivers that they have these medallions they need to pay off. Maybe instead of renting i dont know if renting is more Cost Effective than using a taxi, but that is to consider whether or not subsidizing the taxi industry would be an option. I dont see why the city needs to use cars so much. First of all, i want to say i pretty much agree with everything that last caller said. But, yeah. In terms of telemedics, you know, i lived in utah for a bit, right . Everyone there, all the mormons talk about their missions and they all complain that they all had this device in their cars that would yell at them for speeding saying is check your speed, check your speed. It would say you accelerated too fast. Slow down. It was there to save money on insurance and i i think that, you know, the city should consider Something Like that, something that talks to the employees and tells them to, you know, slow down or, you know, be more gentle with the cars. Not only that, but that would help with actual speeding violations and damages to cars, to city vehicles. That would help us with safety and it would also probably bring down the insurance cost to the city by a lot. There are serp things you can do. Just the vehicles that the city has already and in terms of rental cars, all cars have to have the on board diagnostic support. So, why doesnt the city just buy telemedic devices that can [inaudible] any car. They already make them as they prepare to track their kids. I think that the city needs to look at other options. Thats it. Thank you. Are there any other members of public that want to testify on this item, number one . Operator there is nobody else in the queue. All right. Seeing no o r members of the public on Public Comment, Public Comment is closed. Thank you, president yee. I know we all say this. But for your leadership around this matter. But i think it is actually already making a difference. It is making our City Employees rethink how how they use vehicles. It is not only a vision zero tool but as we learned today, the its also an issue of Financial Financial come up and appreciate that. I do want to note that this is a form of Surveillance Technology and the way you brought this policy forward really ensures that there is oversight and accountability to give us collectively confidence that this technology will serve its purpose and not violate peoples privacy. So, i really want to thank you for the way that you and your staff have structured this. With that, if president yee, you have no more comments, i would like to move your amendments but i would refer to you before i do that, sir. Yes. Please move my amendments and go ahead and duplicate the file. This is as i said from the beginning, this is it takes us a step further in terms of the value utilized from the telemedic and may not get us all the way there and i would love to i welcome others to look at this legislation and see what else we could do to strengthen further. So, thank you very much. Thank you, president yee. First i would like to make a motion to adopt the amendments that president yee set forth on paint two from line 16 to line 25. Madame clerk, on that motion, a role call please. Pointed of clarification is that in addition, also the rental language as well . No. Im going get to that in a second and then duplicate the file clerk. Understood. On the motion as stated [roll call] you have three ayes. Thank you. Then i would like to make a motion to direct the City Attorney to add the language that has not yet been drafted but will be drafted before we send this to the full board or reach the full board with recommendation as it relates to rental cars. On that motion, as articulated by this supervisor, a roll call, please. On the motion as stated [roll call] you have stlaoe ayes. Finally, i would like to downly indicate the file as twice amended and continue it to the call of the chair. The continuation of the call of the chair requires a vote on that motion. A roll call, please. On the motion to continue the duplicate as amended [roll call] you have three ayes. Thank you, madame clerk. Could you please read the next item. Thank you very much. Thank you, president yee. The amendments madame clerk, im sorry to interrupt you. President yee, as you are leaving office and should the voter return me to office, i will continue to champion this area of Public Policy for the next four years, sir. That is deeply appreciated, not only by me but all residents of San Francisco. Thank you, president. Thank you. Madame clerk. On the remaining ballots for the twice amended legislation . Oh, the twice amended matter to the full board with recommendations i hereby move. Roll call, please. [roll call] you have three ayes. All right. Please read item number two. Yes. An ordinance amending the Building Code to require new dro ux utilize only electric power and amendsing environment code to provide public hearings on implementation of all electrical requirement and adopting appropriate findings. Members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment on item number two should call the numbers streaming on the screen. That is 4156550001. The meeting i. D. Is 1467653310, press pound and pound again. If you have not done so already, please press star 3 to line up to speak for item number two. The slm indicate that you have raised your hand. Please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted when we get to Public Comment. Thank you, madame clerk. I want to welcome our colleagues, supervisor Rafael Mandelman and i particularly want to thank supervisor mandelman for joining me in person in a totally appropriately socially distanced meeting with the Chinese Chamber of commerce last week. And are pete what i said in that meeting. Which is that this is a societital imperative and we have to pass this legislation. There are a few tweaks that need to be made that in no way will diminish or in any way gut this legislation. And were doing that work right now and i really want to thank supervisor mandelman for doing that in a responsible and accepting way and his staff for that. And with that, i will turn it over to supervisor mandelman. Thank you, chair peskin. Thank you, colleagues, for allowing me to come back today to continue our conversation from a couple of weeks ago. As you will recall, this is an ordinance to require all electric new construction for buildings that file for permanent starting january 1 of 2021 with some unlimited exceptions. I have a couple of amendments. I hope well address some of the concerns we have heard, but we have generated i fear a little bit of confusion in your inbox in getting there. So, from earlier today, you will have amendments, including an amendment on restaurants that the City Attorney is not prepared to approve and perform yet. Not that they will not, but they just need a little bit more time. Jacob was in my office a few moments ago and circulated an updated draft from the City Attorney. I will talk about all of them now and then i would actually, although we cannot take action on the restaurant amendment, i think it would i would benefit from hearing your thoughts about that amendment. Thank you, supervisor. Respectfully, im chairing a meeting so im not watching my emails so i have no idea what your staff just sent us in realtime. Ok. I will describe kit all for you. Ok. But first i want to reiterate the context and rationale for the legislation. We know that natural gas is the second large zest gals of Carbon Emissions in San Francisco after transportation, generating 40 of total emissions. We know that natural gas is 86 times more potent than Carbon Monoxide when it is released into the air, which it is constantly as its transported across the country and used in appliances. We know that natural gas is a major Public Safety hazard, responsible for half the fires after the earthquake and for exmotions and ruptures that cause someone to lose their life every 26 days in the united states. We know that running gas in homes and businesses is harmful to the health of children who grew up in households who grow up with natural gas are 42 more likely to develop asthma. With respect to the issues that came up two week ago. First i want to briefly touch on the question of feezability. And this is also in an fa2, which is in your inbox and you all should look at it at some point. Although i dont think you have to now. All electric projects are feezened. Ned feasible. They are happening. They are going up in San Francisco today t including several hundred percent and motor than 30 california cities have already taken steps to limit natural gas in New Buildings. Even though, this is an evolving area and the ordinance allows for exception in any case where an electric option isnt technically feasible for a technical system, including if there isnt sufficient capacity available to a particular site. This exception process is detailed in the d. B. I. s administrative bulletin that we talked about two weeks ago. It is included in the word file. That process includes thirdparty review and d. B. I. Will be required to provide annual departments to the department of the environment on the exceptions that are being granted in case we want to follow up on that. Not to interrupt you, but what prevents d. B. I. From changing that administrative bulletin over time . Well, they put. It has to be regulatorily valid and consistent with the text of the legislation. That legislation those regulations could, i believe, be changed although that is better answered by the City Attorney. Madame deputy City Attorney jenson . I think supervisor manldsleman got it right. Any changes that came through the form of an updated regulatory document by the department of building inspection would have to conform with their jurisdictional limitations. So, they cant change legislation effectively through regulation. Beyond that, you know, they can interpret legislation. And would have to go through a public process of review by the commission and approval by the commission. Yeah. Exactly. This may require much deeper structural reform. Remember that there was a initiative that was put on the ballot many years ago that makes the oversight body over d. B. I. Pretty much outside of the normal realm of city control. I caution you respectfully that this could be undermined and you and i had some very candid conversations, supervisor mandelman, about the legitimate concerns that were hearing and about what i considered to be the illegitimate concerns that were hearing that i believe are being induced by pacific gas and electric and ive been very clear with you about that. But i want to make sure that, as we adopt what is truly profound piece of legislation, the last Department Head left in the middle of the night. We never heard anything about why. It does not have the ability or latitude to run circles around this legislation. Because this fundamentally is a change to the Building Code. So i want to get that right at the beginning. And i think to that, i dont think we can anticipate every issue that may come up and require d. B. I. Interpretation. It would suggest that we should be putting more probably putting more things than we really care about into legislation and i know supervisor preston has raised one of those items that may be deltd with in the bulletin but we can also say in feasibility is the legislation itself so we may want to move more of those things actually into the legislation and not just have them in the bulletin. That is exactly right. Up front, the rules of the game have to be very clear, supervisor. So, i mean, i think we have to really clearly define what is technically infeezable to the best of our ability in a very, very complicated area of law. As best we can up front. Well probably get prepared for the next time this comes forward. I will continue, unless supervisor [inaudible]. Before before with all due respect, mr. Vice chairman, if you will defer to the sponsor, lets hear the rest and then lets go to yourself and supervisor preston. We also hope well talk about restaurants today and i think it bears repeating that this orty nance does not affect any existing buildings and the ordinance provide an additional year for transition time for New Buildings that will include a restaurant space. Restaurant projects will be able to file permits for a building that uses gas for commercial purposes only until january 2022. Before and since the last hearing ive had opportunities to talk with stakeholders in the Restaurant Industry as well as the Chinese Chamber. I want to thank chair peskin for helping to facilitate those conversations and my office has been working with the department of the environment to arrange a restaurant electrification workshop and additional inlanguage outreach. The amendment that i was going to propose today is an amendment to provide a longer transition period for restaurants that have been designated legacy businesses. While legacy businesss are typically located in exist, longtime existing locations, i know were aware of one legacy re raunlt that plans to remain its Current Location as part of the redevelopment project in the next few years. This example made clear that even though the ordinance will have no impact on renovations or rehabs, there may be situations where a longtime restaurant that relies on flame cooking could be impacted by this ordinance. So, what were proposing and is in one of those two documents in your inbox but doesnt matter, is that a new building that includes a legacy restaurant would have until 2030 to file permits that include a gas connection to the commercial kitchen area of the building only. Thats consistent with the mayors commitment to zero emission new construction by that year, while still providing what i think is an entirely appropriate assurance for a relatively small number of restaurants. There are about three dozen today that have been in business in San Francisco for at least 20 years and have been specifically recognized for their significant contributions to the community. But in reality, supervisor, 30 years. I mean, 20 years only kicks in in very rare circumstances. So, really 30 years. Yeah. Yeah. So its an even smaller universe. And if we want to expand that universe, we can talk about that today. And then i want to address the transition issue raised by local 38 in a letter from larry mazola junior dated october 1 which should be im not sure if its in your packets or provided to you, and has not moved forward. But let me i want to reiterate again the ordinance does not affect existing buildings or permits that file. A project that filed permits before the end of this year. So, that represents about onethird of the projects in Current Development pipeline or about 28,000 eye nits and 10 million square feet of commercial development, which is many years worth of projects that are already moving forward and will be under construction for years to come while all electric Technology Becomes better and better and more widely accepted. Nonetheless, i think the issues that mr. Mazolla raises regarding Just Transition are important. I reached out to him and were going to be working on schedule ago meeting to discuss this proposal with local 38, department of environment, d. B. I. And p. B. C. Prior to the next meeting of the land use committee. In addition, i do plan to offer an amendment to establish a clean Energy Building hub in the department of environment which will serve as a Resource Centre for building electrification, Technical Assistance and outreach and education, particularly among centrally impacted communities like low income, nonenglish speaking households and support ago transition to electric equipment by restaurant and other users as well. The amendment creates the programme. We would have to fund it next year. I hope the mayor and the board would do that. But i think it would help to it would help give the department of the environment some of the capacity to get some of this information out to folks who might not otherwise easily access it and then they have questions following adoption to support it. Finally i want to offer an amendment put forward by the City Attorney regarding the application of the ordinance where a complication may arise. The amendment includes standard language regarding the nonimpairment of contracts. This is strictly to clarify that the new requirements would not supersede any language to the contrary and any existing developing agreements. I appreciate the suggestion to clarify and weve included it in the amendments that are before you t. Supervisor mandelman, i am not comfortable with those amendments. Ok. Yeah. I i have been during this meeting, ive been looking at those amendments and i am not comfortable with those amendments. Im happy in so far as you are not you and i are not [inaudible] on this committee [inaudible]. But i am super not comfortable with those amendments. Ok. Well, that is why . That is fair and we can talk about that. And i think im done. Please, mr. Chair. Id like to speak to that. Thank you. So supervisor safai, it is really a function of how much investment has been made in a handingful of redevelopment agencies and, as i said at the beginning of this meeting, i fundamentally believe in this legislation. I think it is an imperative that San Francisco. As weve done in so many ways, leads this region and this state and this country around legislation like this. Yeah, we have work to do. We have work to do with the chineseamerican community that supervisor mandelman and i have been working on. But as of the latest redevelopment areas, this has to be a very, very specific fact case set up as to how much they have invested and how much Affordable Housing or other Public Interest resources it would impact and i need to understand that before i can support that amendment. Which amendment was that . That was the one about the contracts in place . That is the nonimpairment of contracts. Right. But it is not clear necessarily that would even impact the overall outcome. It just gives a pathway at this point [inaudible] into that particular issue as supervisor mandelman doing what we do in this business [talking over each other] i want to have some clear conversations, understand the policy, the policy tradeoffs in and around that issue. That makes sense. I was going to bring that up today anyway. So i appreciate you highlighting that. I want to reiterate supervisor safai, you now have the floor. The floor is yours. Oh. [laughter] i thought you had given me the floor and i gave it back to you. No, there was a question and you got an answer. But go ahead. All right. Can i have the floor now, chair . I already gave you the floor, sir. Ok, thanks. The reason i asked you to go ahead is because i wanted to hear what you had to say regarding Development Agreements and what your reaction was going to be to that. Im going to reiterate some of the things that you have already stated. This is a monument al piece of legislation. I think that theyre subsequent as anything that has as significant an impact as this will have and given the circumstances that we are all under, you know, coming out of shelter in place and not being able to have the normal process of Committee Hearings in person. I think thats important. And i think well get this right. One thing that i wanted to highlight that i have not necessarily heard articulated and i think you touched on this somewhat, supervisor peskin, is that fundamentally this is going to be a significant shift in our Building Code. This is going to have a Significant Impact on the way in which we build and i have no heard, at least to my satisfaction yet, i want to hear from those in the construction industry, not those in the department of environment. Although i deeply respect them and respect their expertise and views. I would like to hear from those in the construction industry. I brought up a simple point to talk about that of the functionalty or the ability of an electric car heater to provide hot water for multiunit property and the person from the building inspection only refered to their knowledge of something that could work with a six feet of building or less. I think there needs to be some more technical. Singers about how this will be. And maybe those answers are already there. Supervisor manldsle mandelman, maybe you already had those in the construction industry. But it would be important to hear that and im happy to have those confessions off line if you want to send them in the direction of having that conversation. Im glad to hear you say that there will be further conversation about the Restaurant Industry. Its good that you are reaching out and talking about different types of shop owner and i think i gave you the example of one of the newer residents in our city. Every single commercial space is a restaurant. And every single commercial space there is there is different ethnicity that uses a fire. And i think that thats an important piece of conversation because we certainly wouldnt want to especially in this economic environment restrict ability for restaurants to be competitive. [please stand by] [please stand by] that will impact the outcome of the overall design or the overall cost of the project or the overall feasibility of the project. I think thats an important consideration and important conversation to have. I believe ultimately the things i want to hear about, more conversation about how were impacting the Building Code and what does that mean in terms of the final decision, if the technology is not available. How do we move forward and who ultimately has the final discretion in those conversations . Because im building a 100unit building and dont have the ability to keep the water, because the technology doesnt exist, whats the process by which i can go through to build the units and provide adequate system. I think those are important points to consider. Ill come back to sort of the comments. Thank you, mr. Chair. I would like to actually condense your questions and comments. But that would be really difficult. Supervisor mandelman. Do you want me to summarize them very quickly . Supervisor peskin yes. Yes, then supervisor mandelman can answer them. One is in terms of Development Agreement. Supervisor peskin you already spoke to that. Right. Supervisor peskin yes. Go ahead, next. If someone is applying for the technology does not exist, id like to hear more. Supervisor peskin so that notion of infeasibility, thats what youre tie trying to express . Correct. Correct. In and around the discretion of d. B. I. And how thats controlled and i actually brought ms. Jenson in this meeting and discussed that as well. Okay. Shes already articulated that. Supervisor peskin no. Its going to require further legal research. Okay. Okay. And then finally supervisor peskin i expressed my profound concerns with. That was item number 1. Finally restaurants and were going to have further conversation about that. Supervisor peskin that is correct. All right. Thank you, mr. Mandelman. I have got a bunch more items and then ive got a bunch of stuff going on this afternoon. So supervisor mandelman, the floor is yours. Supervisor mandelman okay. Ill talk a little bit more about that. We didnt fully flesh out the Development Agreement conversation. We probably should. And you may even want to have conversations or you may not. You may want to have folks have conversations either in this hearing or offline with the folks from oewd. There are a number of Development Agreements out there that folks in the economic and workforce development, the Mayors Office, as well as the developers themselves have concerns about how the legislation impacts their project, under the Development Agreement. And weve had a couple of meetings now with city staff, who have urged the inclusion of a number of amendments. But the principle that they would like, i believe, to have us adopt is the idea that for a project for a set of or a project under Development Agreements, where that project is phased, and where the application has gone into the first phase, that the first phase be exempted from the requirements of this legislation. Supervisor peskin can you like just tell us what the universe is, which is the shipyard, Treasure Island . Can you articulate . Supervisor mandelman candle stick. The hope stigs projects. And the request just struck me as rather broad. And i have asked for more clarity around what are the costs, whats already been spent. Whats the time you know, whats the time period over which that kind of a carveout would apply. Because none of these Development Agreements, you know, go 10, 20, 30 years into the future. Are we allowing mixfuel buildings in 2050. Supervisor peskin and do we get sued because it violates an agreement . Supervisor mandelman right. So i have included none so i have included none of the requested amendments, except for this one piece, which is about nonimpairment of contracts, which struck me as if im not missing it, pretty much a restatement of the rules again. I could be wrong. Supervisor peskin im not going to make the motion. If yo im not ready to make e motion. I would be happy to go in closed session with the City Attorney, but im not going to take that at face value, absolutely not. Supervisor mandelman okay. All right. Thats the Development Agreement, as much as i know and have to share. Beyond that i would suggest either a closed session or folks individually meet with oewd and the City Attorneys office. In terms of the feasibility conversation, this is in the f. A. Q. Es thats in your inbox. But there was six months of process and conversation. Theres a list of all of the developers who were included in this conversation. And the representatives of the trades that were a part of this conversation. You know, feasibility i think we were pleased to hear as part of that dialogue, that that much allelectric development is possible, than was five, ten years ago. There may be narrow categories of where you actually technically cant get the particular system done. So this legislation says the particular system could be exempted by d. B. I. But not on all not an exemption all together. It is apeable to the board of appeals. As i said, theres the report that would get kicked out to the department of environment each year, that would show us that this is suppose to be a very narrow extension that gets moved very rarely. If we see it being used frequently, d. B. I. Is doing something wrong. But there may be ways of tightening that from the front end, including an amendment that i or supervisor preston will be offering. And there may be others as well. Thats kind of what ive got. Supervisor peskin thank you, supervisor mandelman. You even heard from i didnt even even heard, you heard from supervisor safai we understand that we have to land this plane. How we land it is going to be a little difficult. And i really appreciate the work youre doing. As you know, weve been in the community together. I do want to offer one pretty teeny, tiny comment relative to what you suggested earlier, relative to creating an Unfunded Mandate for the department of the environment. That seems a little ahead of yourself. I mean, i dont generally create a mandate without a source of funding. Im a little reticent to do that, not because its not a good function. But because theres no identified source of funding. So i just totally minor issue. But not so much. Supervisor preston. Supervisor preston thank you, chair peskin. I think, supervisor mandelman, when you were in last time, we were hoping to land the plane or whatever the analogy is, by year end. What i dont recall is if we were targeting and if its significant, whether that is the passage of an ordinance eventually at the board is the Effective Date presumably a among later and i just, as we are here in october, it sounds like theres obviously still some work to do, and appreciate all of your efforts to try to Reach Agreement on some of these amendments. Were not meeting obviously next week, land use. What may be for clarity, just the significance from your perspective of in order to have the effect we want. Are we looking at an Effective Date hopefully by the end o ende year . Or are we looking at simply trying to get to a point where the ordinance passes the board by then . I dont know if that has any practical significance. Supervisor mandelman i think we want a january 1st effective day, which means we have to get it done by the end of november, which means im running out of time. But i do think we have, you know, a couple more i dont think you all want to see this too many more times. But im hoping that we can get this done in one or two more trips to your committee. Supervisor peskin mr. Mandelman, i would rather get this thing right and spend more time on it. Supervisor preston is right, we dont have a meeting next monday. But we to have a meeting on october 19th. And insofar as the amendments that youre offering are substantive. And insofar as other things swirling around, i would like to continue this item after those amendments are made and we hear from the public until october 19th. I think that sorry to use the analogy, we can all get there by the end of november and have the Effective Date be the first day of january 1st, 2021. I take your point on the hub. It is and i also dont like to impose requirements theres no ability to pay for temperature. So there is it is specifically subject to the board, subject to the mayor, deciding to fund this. Supervisor peskin yeah. Thats the cart before horse. Okay. I i think theres value in our saying in the legislation that we think this would be a good priority for the board. I dont think its worth a supplemental. Supervisor peskin for the environment. Let them figure that out within their budget. Let us have the hearing i mean, you know, they get a huge amount of money from ecology. Let ms. Ra rafael come to the Budget Committee and explain what the tradeoffs are. Im not down with creating an Unfunded Mandate. Thank you, mr. Chair. Supervisor peskin thank you, sir. Supervisor preston. Supervisor preston thank you. And just i am curious. Were limited in our availability, chair peskin and supervisor safai, in discussing these things outside the context of a hearing. So i think im just trying to get a better handle on what some of the concerns are. I hear the discussion around how to define the impairments of contract issue or the ongoing, you know, existing Development Agreements. And some substantive issues there. And it sounds like mr. Mandelman intends to have ongoing conversations with labor and others on that, in the intervening time. I am curious, though supervisor peskin labor. Contracts. Supervisor preston. Supervisor preston sorry . Supervisor peskin labor is not a party to the contracts . They raised some of the concerns. Supervisor peskin that is true. They would not be the moving party in litigation. Right. Okay. Again i think i think i understand what some of the concerns being raised on that are. I am curious on the mr. Mandelman started by outlining the legacy business, restaurant issue, which i know is a big one when this was in committee. I just wasnt sure from colleagues if there were concerns around the scope of that or whether there was some sense of the committee in agreement of the kind of scope of what was being laid out with the other issues. I mean, the existing contracts issues, the issue of moving some things potentially that are in the bulletin, into the ordinance for i think this sounds like there may be some consensus around the wisdom of doing that. Sounds like not consensus around the hub thats proposed. But i was curious to the extent either chair or vice chair, wanted to address it just whether there is sort of a Comfort Level with the what supervisor mandelman laid out around the legacy businesses or whether thats also an area where there are concerns . Supervisor peskin so ill defer to supervisor safai as to whether he wants to address this. I will say, on my own behalf, that i think this really grew out of something that we heard at the first meeting, in and around one particular banquet hall in chinatown, the new asia gardens. The city owns, that the city is going to eventually demolish and reconstruct as Affordable Housing with banquet hall floor and that was going to happen after the Effective Date. So i think that is what supervisor mandelman is trying to address in this. In the interim, as supervisor mandelman and i met with the Chinese Chamber of commerce, other nuance issues in and around this exact same area have come up that we are both in good faith. And i was very clear with my constituents. Theyre trying to figure out in a way that is policy responsible. So sorry, supervisor safai, for cutting you off. I do wan want to supervisor safai i think we have very similar constituencies and those that are concerned. I mean, if you want to if you want to peel it back in a very basic sense, its just certain types of cooking that require a flame. So how are you going to do that if you dont have a flame . But im hope to those conversations. Im happy to have people can come in and Show Technology to kind of meet that goal. But again i think that at the end of the day, were talking about a very small supervisor peskin has said, a very small fraction of overall impacts from this legislation, versus what the impact of the overall legislation will be to the construction industry. And so for me its just a matter of ensuring that theres some options in there to have those conversations. Supervisor peskin thank you. Supervisor pes preston, anything you want to add . No. Thank you. Supervisor peskin whats really important in this conversation, the one part we have not had yet, which is hearing from the public. So supervisor mandelman, if youre okay with that go ahead, sir. Supervisor mandelman just to throw out, so it sounds like even with the legacy exemption, there may be a desire to do more. And i think the next move, which i can describe the next move supervisor peskin please. I wasnt saying to do more. It may be different. Supervisor mandelman different. Well another option i mean, the legacy business definitely solves for new asia, very clearly. And solves for potentially a few other similar, if there are similar [indiscernible]. There are some cities that put in a waiver process related to restaurants, where somebody has to make findings based on a petition or a request for this waiver. And makes a number of findings. In this case around a businessrelated reason why this restaurant has to cook with flame, that the need cannot reasonably achieve a fuel source. That the applicant has made reasonable efforts to mitigate the Greenhouse Gas effects of the gasfueled appliance. And that theyre going to comply with prewiring for electric, if the moment comes when that ground floor could actually be feasibly a restaurant that is allelectric. That is an example of a waiver process that could be put in, where perhaps the director of the department of d. B. I. Could grant or deny. Again having it subject to appeal of the board of appeals. More complicated to set up a body that just hears that waiver request. I dont think it makes sense. But i think having, you know, the director of d. B. I. Potentially hearing a small number of these waiver requests for New Buildings and restaurants that really need and want to go in there and potentially being able to make those findings. If thats appear move the committee wants to make, i think that would be added to the legacy business or instead of, you know, its another option. Im putting it out there. Supervisor peskin no, i think thats a really constructive suggestion. And, colleagues, feel free to comment on that. And if not, i think the most important thing we can do right now is hear from the public. But i think that is a really constructive idea, supervisor mandelman. If there are no questions from vice chair safai or member preston, madam clerk, are there any members of the public who want to comment on this item number 2 . Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. We have 21 listeners and eight in queue. We have james helping us today. James, if you can queue in the first caller, please. Caller good morning, supervisors. Can you hear me . Supervisor peskin yes. First speaker, please. Caller my name is steve gutman. I want to start by commending supervisor mandelman for making this discussion about allelectric buildings possible. I come before this committee as the president of the board of the the San Franciscobased nonprofit focused on sustainability in the built environment with the mission of gathering, educating and inspi inspiring Practical Action for resilient communities. Also as a principal with consulting engineers, 45person San Francisco firm with a 64year history of designing buildings in the bay area. And with personal experience that achieving the requirements of this ordinance is entirely feasible and can be done in a costeffective matter. Id like to emphasize that. The technology to make allelectric buildings feasible exists, its robust. , welldeveloped and costeffective. Im also a proud San Francisco native, living for the past 36 years in district 11. And i come as a strong proponent of this ordinance, as you can already tell. San francisco has an opportunity to join with dozens of other bay area cities and counties to create rules, that lep realize the promise that the state made when committing to 100 Renewable Energy on the grid by 2045. This goal, combined with the strategy of steining buildings without natural gas use, is the only realistic way of quickly delivering a carbonneutral future. And this is the only future that can guarantee that our lives in San Francisco can continue without even more drastic changes due to climate disasters. But the grid wont be renewable until 2045. Why do we need to act now . The city has and continues to add thousands of new Housing Units every year and commercial construction permits are in addition to this. Every one of these new projects we build from the day forward is either ready to be part of this carbonneutral future or is a painful retrofit years from now. Its the comments about impacts on existing Development Agreements, while im not an expert in Development Agreements, i do a lot of work with Affordable Housing developers around the bay area. Frankly Affordable Housing developers are leaders in allelectric housing, due to their keen understanding of the equity and social justice benefits of allelectric buildings. To the comments on the Technological Solutions for domestic hot water, the answer is simple. Its called heat pumps. These have been used for air conditioning for decades. They work by removing energy from the indoor environment and moving it to the outdoor air. The same technology is used in reverse by heating water by removing energy from the outdoor air and delivering it to the indoor water. [bell dings] thank you. Clerk thank you so much. Next speaker, please. You will be notified that your line has been unmuted and you may begin your two minutes. Hello, caller . Caller hi. I unmuted. Theyre not speaking. Clerk lets go back to that caller. Lets take the next caller, please. Caller good afternoon. Im speaking on behalf of the california state council. And local 48. You know, we spoke last time that you were concerned about goodpaying construction jobs that were the result required to be allelectric in new construction. And, you know, we all supported Greenhouse Gas reductions and we understand, you know, the intent of this bill. But society takes a step, it cant ignore impacts on workers. Entire job sector is being eliminated or minimized. We need to ensure that steps are taken to provide affected workers with a transition to replacement work. We believe theres a path to doing that here. Mitigating the loss of gas pipeline work, while at the same time furthering San Franciscos goals to reduce both energy and water use. And to provide a Just Transition to the plumbers that will lose work from this ordinance. Local 38 has submitted a letter with our proposal about job losses. Really focusing on expanding the use of great water, rainwater and recycled water. And were ready to sit down with staff and work out the specific proposal. And like i was saying, thank supervisor mandelman for reaching out to local 38 and committing to work out the specifics of these proposals. We would like to see a Firm Commitment to take the steps necessary to mitigate job losses, before this goes out of committee. We feel theres a path available and we can move towards that path, where we will both where we have a Just Transition in a move to allelectric buildings. Without that local 38 has to remain in opposition to this ordinance. Clerk with looks like we have 13 callers in queue. Next speaker, please. Caller good afternoon, supervisors. Cory smith on behalf of the San Francisco Housing Action coalition. I just wanted to reiterate our understanding after talking with the supervisor and our members that this will not increase the cost of building housing in San Francisco. We think that that is a really important piece. And we are in support. Thank you. Clerk thank you, mr. Smith. Next speaker, please. Caller hello. This is gabe dotson. Im in district 2. And, you know, i would like to thank the supervisors, first of all. I want to strongly encourage adopting the amendment on closing the feasibility loophole. Allelectric in a feasibility should be determined without regard to amnesty loss. The housing crisis is real, we need to fix it without taxing the future of our community and our children. Thand i think also we have no loopholes, that really levels the Playing Field for all businesses instead of some connected businesses getting special treatment theyre currently getting from the Mayors Office. So please close this loophole. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller hi. Im a district 8 resident. This legislation is not ready for prime time. It opens up a lot of different areas that need to be addressed. So as supervisor peskin said and youre hearing from speakers, too many things to consider right now. Please continue the item. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Next speaker, please. Caller good afternoon, supervisors. My name is paul worma. And i would clerk mr. Worma . Hello . Lets take the next caller. He might have dropped off. Well go back to him. Oh, one second. I apologize. It look like we lost the bridge line. So we have d. T. Working on that. We didnt lose the callers in queue, we lost the bridge line that connects the team, just to clarify. So were having technical difficulties. Well just try to get the bridge line up. So well need a few moments. Clerk do we have chair peskin . Or vice chair safai . If you would like to [ please stand by ] we apologize for the technical difficulties we have the last caller on the line for Public Comment. Next, please. Caller my name is elena engle in district 9. Gas is on its way out and the use is incompatible with a lifesustaining planet. By voting for various exemptions to this ordinance you are ultimately only make it more difficult and costly for them when they have to do the electricity in their new building, taking out the gas and installi installing electricity instead and we do need to look at Just Transition and labor. Let us face up to the reality of our situation today. We all will have to find new ways to do things because to the physics of Climate Change require it. So it is better to do that today when it is less complicate and expensive. Therefore i ask you to make exemptions to the ordinance. The past legislation without the ultimate steps of reducing the cost. Thank you for your comment. Next speaker please. Caller i live in supervisor peskins district 3. I support passing the strongest version of this ordinance. Amidst the backdrop of a Global Climate emergency i want to point out the committee only discussed the weaknesses and im asking the committee to respect the publics intelligence by affording us a modicum of debate and ask with the financial feasibility and industrial and laboratories are exempt. Please discuss on the part the developers can squeeze out of the requirement without much effort. I hope youll address this at the committee meeting. Thank you very much. Thank you for your comment. Next speaker, please. Caller rolled up our sleeves and sat back and listened and learn. We learned a lot about new technologies and new ways of implementing with other technologies. For most projects it seems to work. We see 2,000 to 3,000 per unit but theres one subsector that has an unprecedented hardship and for most projects the costs would be 2,000 to 3,000 per unit. For that small subset, this is a subset that clearly does not require a transformer. Once you go all electric you now require a transformer at a cost of 150,000 to 200,000. Going all electric just creates for this very small subsector creates a tremendous financial burden. Its important that we look at this because we have to do this in a way thats fair and equitable to all housing. If this has a price of 2 2,000 r 3,000 but its 28,000 to me thats a huge difference. Keep in mind if, your project manage to qualify for this exception, you still have to put the infrastructure. If cost is in the infrastructure you will not have to remodel walls or units or sheetrock. Thank you for your comment. Next speaker, please. Youll be notified your line has been unmuted and youll be given two minutes to speak. Caller id like to remark that there was a history where the environment has been iffy and covid19 came and then we made it mandatory then we were creating too much waste, i dont know. I feel something where its not so easy what theyre not saying dont use natural gas and the other commender that if youre going to require records used if thats disadvantages we dont know about. I feel and i think of the intention to reduce emissions but i dont know that its necessarily the best idea. Thank you for your comment. Next speaker, please. Caller im a resident of district 10, jody henn. Thank you for your leader through this process. I strongly support inhibiting gas and i want it passed in the strongest possible form. In particular id like to see the feasibility exceptions for developers eliminated. Also, as complicated as the whole process is on passing the ordinance has been, this is the easy one from electronically retrofitted existing buildings with a more lengthy challenge. This makes it important to me to establish that clean Energy Building for now and for the future. Thank you supervisor mandelman for today and i suggest a hub establishment be a recommendation in the ordinance and also i wonder whether the department of the environment actually could fund such a thing as what they fund is limited to. And if it was a hub it would be onestopshop for Vital Information and access to resources. It would maximize opportunities and eliminate barriers to all electric construction and would obviously be crucial in the future for existing building electrification because this is the easy one. Its important to reaching our goals of eliminating emissions from buildings. Thank you. Caller we support new construction and also a d. A. Constituent. Thank you for supporting the item. And its important for the climate and health and safety of our residents. Please a [audio digitizing] and we received improvements for the ordinance. The public doesnt have the option to pick up the phone and ask for changes but the supervisor spent the best part of a career crafting this and we have to show up to meetings to let your voices be heard. We cant take a break from taking care of our loved ones and if we dont solve the Climate Crisis and improve air quality nothing else matter. All the help you give to restaurants doesnt matter if there cant be Outdoor Dining because of air pollution. For the sake of us and our future we have to continue to put forth the commissions name supporting the clean building amendment and preventing financial considerations from being considered. Next speaker, please. Caller i agree with a lot of the comments made for from folks like daniel and chris. I want to highlight another couple Important Reasons we need to pass this gas ban. Right now the California Energy commissions is considering the next iteration of title 24 which is the minimum building standard in california. We know that the California Energy commission has been looking for cities to provide a lierdship role in what is possible. Its being decided now and San Francisco adopting this will send a signal to the country that electric technology is here and needs to be adopted in new construction and i would like to echo a point made earlier and say i support this ordinance moving forward quickly and think the board of supervisors should also think about a Just Transition moving forward to ensure that the workers who may be impacted by this ordinance have a glide path. Thank you so much. Caller i live in district 3. Im here to support this ordinance. I like the attention youre putting in to this but urge you to more foquickly. Theres studies that show the construction is economically feasible and less expensive. And we need to stop continuing to further fix the status quo things when were experiencing extreme heat waves and wild fires. And were in a transition period. Another public speaker said before with plastic bag bans and other ordinances that have passed and we cannot wait and again this is for new construction when were talking about existing building. That conversation needs to be much longer and much more simple but right now were talking about new construction and this conversation is taking more than a year what is the next conversation going to look like . Again, i encourage this to pass without loopholes. Thank you, next speaker, please. Youll be notified your line has been unmuted and you may begin your comment. Caller i reside in district 2. My name is mark. I can only second all the things said. Weve been living here since 1997 and we enjoy San Francisco the way it is and in california the way its been until the last year. The Climate Emergency is upon us and we dont have time to wait. I hope youll move forward on this. This isnt a matter of should be, its when will we . We must look to something cleaner. It puts too much pollution in the area and explodes often in the streets. We have to cut back as much as possible. Im a homeowner in San Francisco and i have an old victorian and buildings are always going through renovations and being upgraded. It should come at no surprise the next should be all electric. Not new construction but new construction just based on that basis. In 25 years it will have to be remodelled anyway. Lets make sure we get the infrastructure in there for an allelectric power supply here in the city. I would urge the supervisors to move quickly on this, quickly, quickly. Give it to the board and implement it so we can start to get out from under this Climate Crisis. Thank you very much. Thank you. Looks like we have two callers left in the queue. Youll be notified your line has been unmuted. You need to give your comments. Caller im in direct direct district 5. I know this has been tough and you want to get it right but im calling to urge to you pass this we dont have time to wait. If you want to live in San Francisco, were going to start to redo a lot of infrastructure and the first step is by making buildings carbon neutral. As far as strengthening and id like supervisors to close the financial feasibility loophole. I heard it expressed natural gas is going away so if we dont allow buildings to be mixed use were putting off costs for the buildings as theyre going to have to take on higher costs in maintaining the gas lines as well as doing the ret refit in the future. I hope you pass this soon and make it a strong as possible. Thank you. We have can you caller left. Caller im calling to support the ordinance. Im concerned and this can go a long way in cutting our emissions. 30 come from burning natural gas. Transition element to impacted workers will nhelp in social justice and to other entities. I want to make sure everyone has what they have to navigate new construction and i hope you move forward with passing the ordinance quickly and without loopholes. Thank you, supervisors for protecting our climate. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner ill hand it back to supervisor mandelman if he has any remarks we wants to make. I know well continue this item but if you have any additional remarks you have to make before we move to the next item . I commissioner i just want to thank the Committee Members and the feedback im getting is on restaurants theres an interest in adding a waiver provision so well come back next time with the legacy business and the waiver process in and tighten up the discussion on feasibility and be clear and we can bring that amendment next time for your consideration as well. Commissioner he needed more information on what housing would be impacted. I think he wanted more conversation and i think we all agree on that. Maybe at the next meeting we can ask someone from the office of economic workforce development. And why dont we wait for the chair to be part of that conversation. And im sadly hearing this is not something the committee is interested in pursuing. Well let that go. Commissioner okay. And i just have one of callers called in and they talked about the transformer issue. Are you aware of that and have you been in that conversation . I understand some perspective of once you changed the overall capacity of a project and usually its based on overall size of the project. It has an impact in terms of what it would mean going in having a fullblown transformer. Do you want to talk about that before we move on. I know the issue was extensively submitted but i should probably check in with my staff before. Commissioner okay. Well come back with that as well. Thats an important note. I think once you change the overall eli elick electricald and could require change in infrastructure and when youre at that threshold youre changing from having to have one and not having to have one. I think the conversation about that would be helpful. [please stand by] i know youve made sure that exceptions to your ordinance do not swallow up the rule for any category of folks seeking them. So i just will be interested, and i know you will work on figuring out how to make sure if theres a waiver process its limit inside scope so i just wanted to put that out there since you are taking it that concern for everyone. Well come back with the narrowest exemption that seems to address the concerns that weve heard. Thank you. Lets make a motion to continue this item. To the 19th . To the 19th, yes. Im fine with that. So, madam clerk. Clerk on the motion to continue this matter to october 19th, supervisor peskin. Aye. Supervisor safai. Aye. Supervisor peskin. Absent. You have two ayes. Can we make a motion to excuse supervisor peskin, madam clerk . Clerk absolutely. On the motion to ex excuse supervisor peskin, supervisor peskin. Aye. Supervisor safai. Aye. You have two ayes. Thank you, supervisors. Thank you. Keep up the good work. Roll up those sleeves thank you, madam clerk. Please call the next item. Clerk yes, item number 3 is an ordinance administrative code to limit residential evictions through march 31st, 2020 unless the eviction is based on the nonpayment of rent or is necessary due to violence related issues or heat health ad safety issues. Members of the public should call the number on the screen thats 415 6550001 and the immediating i. D. Is 146 765 3310. Press pound and pound again. If you have not done so already press star 3 to lineup for item number 3. A system prompt will indicate if you have raised your hand. Supervisor peskin. Thank you, chair safai and before us today is ordinance that seeks to no quality conviction throughs march 31st. The underline premise of this ordinance is simple and similar to to make sure no one loses their home during the pandemic. Through mayoral order and ordinance of the board, this city has kept up and provide critical protections for renters who have lost income and are unable to pay their rent due to covid19 and recently the state enacted Assembly Member chiu building ab3088 that provides additional framework to regulate nonpayment of rents through the beginning of next year. Ab3088 is non statement evictions and the state makes clear in that bill and Assembly Member chiu has confirmed the intent the state is not trying to preempt to limit or to alter local legislation for other types of evictions. And in fact, the state law has provisions making clear that cities remain free to pursue stronger protections for other types of evictions the legislation before us today intends to provide additional protections for socalled no faultnofault evictions. Owner move in, demolition, Capital Improvement evictions. Now these evictions are prohibited currently by mayor breeds 12th supplemental orders and they started in april it was renewed on a monthbymonth basis and the 12th supplemental stated no faulty conviction ideas prohibit and the protections last today months after the expiration of the date of that order. The monthly renewals of that order ended at the end of september and then the protections are currently set to expire at the end of november. The time has come for us to remove the monthly uncertainty for tenants during this pandemic. Were in a prolonged crisis. I think we all know that. And eviction must continue to be off the table. So this legislation vehicle to extend these protections, not on a onemonth basis as the extension for the mayoral order have been but instead to extend these through march 2021 to really replace our current monthtomonth approach to give more security to tenants. We believe this is essential. We have heard reports from councilors and eviction attorneys despite the protections in place, some landlords are take advantage of legal ambiguous to pressure tenants out of their homes. This will help clarity for tenants and landlords that accepting cases where theres a threat of violence or health and safety danger, evictions are prohibited and people must be allowed to stay in their homes during the on going pandemic. And i just want to reiterate that this is not a radical departure from current policy. This is extending the protections that have been provided by mayor order and were unanimously approved by the board of supervisors. Also for the purposes of providing further clarity i have an amendment thats been circulated on page 3 lines five through nine. I propose to add the following subsections, subsection 3 that will read this section 37. 9 is intended to limit evictions until march 31, 2021 and shall apply to all residential dwelling units described in subsections 1 and 2 including but not limited to those where a notice to vacate or quit was pending as of the date that this section 37. 9 took effect and regardless whether the notice was served before or after september 15th, 2020. This amendment clarifies that the ordinance applies to the no fault prohibition to notice issued as of the date of introduction of the ordinance which was september 15th and the purpose is to remove any ab tee as to the law hes application and noticed issued after the expiration of the mayors order but before enactment of this ordinance shouldnt passed. The City Attorneys office has confirmed the amendment is non substantive in nature. So in close i just want to thank my cosponsors, supervisor peskin, ronen, haney, walton and mandelman for their early and strong support and also thank my legislative aid for all of his work on this ordinance. Thank you. Thank you, supervisor. Madam clerk, you want to open it up for Public Comment . Clerk yes, mr. Chair. James are there any call. Can you queue in the first caller, please. Caller hello. This is inaudible for the enabled count. We support presenting evictions and people have enough trouble going on in their lives with the pandemic so i ask you to approve it also. In the interest of time, we also support the fourth and fifth items sponsored by supervisor preston Housing Stability Fund, social housing and resolution in relief funds for small inaudible owners of reduces circumstances. Thank you, very much. Clerk thank you. Next speaker, please. You will be notified that your line has been unmuted and you may begin your comments. Caller hello. Just a minute as you say. You have two minutes. Caller tenants are very stressed as we know as they face uncertainty. Supervisor preston has said it best, evictions need to be off the table. This amendment pro voids clarity for tenants that they will not be evicted through no fault of their own for the next six months. No new policy direction here suggests here proposes to extend provisions already in place and the mayors other orders, supervisor prestons proposal puts into law an increased time period for tenants to be protected against no faulty convictions. Absolute clarity helps tenants physically and emotionally and we welcome this and thank you for your yes votes. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller supervisors, loraine petty here. Senior, renter, from fill more and member of senior and disability action. I absolutely support prestons ordinance to extend the ban on no faulty convictions for another six months. As renters, we have been assaulted on all sides by crisis completely beyond our control. That is the virus, of course, economic shutdowns, misplacement, continuing racial and social unjustice and Climate Change effects including the air we cant breath and thanks to the gross inefficiencies of the state of california, we cant even get the Unemployment Insurance money were entitled to. It cant be converted. In the end, after the threat of the virus is over, and we look back on what weve done, we must be able to say that in our city, we absolutely did everything that we could to alleviate uncertainty and suffering. I urge every member of the board to support this ordinance. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Next speaker, please. Caller this is anna stair a and im a senior tenant in district 8. I support this resolution, excuse me, this ordinance. No people should be losing their home during a pandemic. Landlords could take the opportunity right now to take advantage of tenants and serve them with an unlawful detainer action. It means that they would have to go to court to fight. They would have to go to a tenant councilor and they would have to maybe go to the eviction defense collaborative. They would have to take all these steps during a pandemic. Let them keep their homes. Its not time to fight about things that may or may not be true. Leave these battles for another time. Another place. And support this ordinance that no one should lose their homes and the time should be increased for tenants to be protected against n no fault evictions. Thank you. Clerk next speaker, please. Your line has been unmuted and you may begin your comments. Caller hello, my name is hannah and im a staff attorney at Legal Assistance to the elderly. I want to thank the supervisors who have shown tremendous leadership on the issue of protecting San Franciscos rent and particularly in the pandemic. Im calling in strong support of this ordinance. The citys homelessness crisis is already a moral stain on our community i hope we can degree this is particularly shameful and abhorrent a parent from the moral many not indications i wanted to mention the publichealth implications. Our agency has several eviction Defense Attorneys on staff and even with state and local protections in place, we already have full caseloads. We know what is it like to litigate eviction cases in the pandemic and opportunities easy. This is the case of our client population. By and large low income tenants who are elderly and who are people with disabilities. We often are forced to meet with our clients inperson neither because they dont have working phones, they dont have a method to scan an email Important Documents to us or they suffer from Mental Health disabilities that make it too difficult to connection with and serve through phone calls. This is the behind the scenes of litigation and the court has shown itself incapable of finding ways to provide affordable, practical and stave access to their courtroom. Ive seen it myself and its not safe to go forward just from a litigation perspective is places people in close proximity to each other and people hi risk and its going to just further exacerbate this publichealth crisis and its of course, in addition to the morally abhorrent practice of evictions generally evictions in the midst of a pandemic. Thank you inform the leadership for supporting this ordinance. Thank you so much for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller well, good afternoon supervisors. I am very pleased to follow the propofoprevious speaker and i cy yes to that. I would like to tell you or speak to i wish one of you or all of you would be on the phone line. I am a volunteer councilor with the housing rights committee. My name is inaudible , if you could be on the phone when i am with these callers every call, the trauma and the terror in the voices. I thank them for calling to find out about their rights in the first place. This would just be an extension and that once a month, will the mayor sign this and we think she will extend for a month but the terror and the trauma of waiting like that. Lets just do it and lets just, as another call previously said, lets speak to also four and five in the interest of time and i group up in a Small Business and its critical that everybody be protected and at least lets try to inhale and exhale and extend it through march 31st. And i thank you for bringing this up in the meeting and i urge you all to please move it along to the full board so we can get it as law as quickly as possible. Thank you, very much. At this for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller good afternoon, supervisors. My name is inaudible and im a resident of district 8. I want to thank supervisor preston for bringing this extension fourth. I was on the line to speak to the item coming up, items 4 and 5 but theres a direct connection between protecting tenants right now and what we will be talking about later in terms of providing rent relief at the end of the pandemic. So anything that you all can do to support tenant protections has been extending those protections beyond what is in the law. I want to thank you for that. Caller good afternoon supervisors. Im calling in support thank you so much, supervisor, preston for bringing this forward and i do hope that all supervisors on this board also support it. Thank you so much. Thank you. I have one more call that just got in the queue. Go ahead, please. Linda chapman. I like who i was here for the next item. Hearing this, you already know how i feel about this city policies that have allowed people to layout there in the streets to begin with but this just calls to mind knob hill neighborhoods and how the tenants of knob hill for different reasons, speculation and so on, be being forced out of their homes including me at the time. Just the tragedy. I would see these other people, even before it happened to me, and even though they might have another home, it wasnt their home. Their home was the one that they lost. The same as my home was the one that i lost. When i was a tenant there and later when i was forced out of my coop where i owned it. You know, the tragedy is just beyond belief. Its far worse than losing a job or anything else other than maybe losing a person who is really close to you. Its like practically the end of your life. I dont think you need to be urged to pass this. That concludes my remarks. Clerk that is our last Public Comment. Thank you. Supervisor preston. Thank you. Unless there are any questions, vicechair safai, i windo i woue to move to adopt the amendments that i described. Sounds good. Motion to amend. Based on your described items, madam clerk. Thats right. Do you want me to you said them already. Thank you. On the motion to amend supervisor preston. Aye. Supervisor safai. Aye. You have two ayes. And then id like to move to refer the item to the full board as a committee record for tomorrow october 6th. As amended. And just to say quickly, i know on item number 5, were going to talk about a rent relief fund, something that when we dealt with this item before, supervisor preston and i in committee had good conversations about the necessity to provide. Thats really what is at stake here to help small landlords and renters pay their rent during these times of crisis. I hope theres a second round of stimulus money that made it really big priority of mine personally to ensure a very similar to what theyve done in los angeles that we have our own rent relief fund and i know that were going to establish the ability to accept the fund but we have to have those dollars and so ultimately i think thats really what is at stake here and i want to thank supervisor preston for moving forward with the ability to protect people during this time of crisis and i was supportive last time and im supportive this time so i appreciate it and im happy to move this item to the full board of the committee report. Madam clerk. Clerk on the motion to recommend as amended adds a committee report, supervisor preston. Aye. Clerk supervisor safai. Aye. You have two ayes. Great. Can you please call the next item, supervisor preston. You have a busy day today. Clerk an ordinance administrative code to establish these social Housing Program funds for acquisition, creation and operation of affordable social Housing Developments, members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment that item number 4 should call the number streaming on the screen thats 415 6550001 and the meeting i. D. Is 146 765 3310 press pound and pound again. If you have not done so press star and then 3 to lineup to speak for item number 4. A system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. Wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments when we get to Public Comment. I was looking at all your amendments. Thank you, very much. I will get into those and these just for the preview are substantive amendments so well have the opportunity to take our time with those. Or let those sit i should say. So, the remaining items, this one and the next, on todays agenda, comprise two pieces of legislation that are part of what we call the fair recovery package. It combination of Revenue Generating ballot measure proposition i, along with two companion ordinances that seek to fund housing stability. The board of supervisors unanimously approved a resolution on august 11t august 11th expressing our intent to use revenue generated by the ballot measure should it pass to fund two ordinances, Housing Stability Fund, and the rent resolution and relief fund. So, i will start on this agenda item describing the Housing Stability Fund and describe the amendments which i plan to introduce today as i mentioned they are substantive which will require the item to be heard at a meeting of this committee. The Housing Stability Fund is intended to finance the creation and acquisition of permanently affordable social housing. This includes a range of strategy land banking, Community Land trusts, nonprofit Affordable Housing, or other forms of social housing where the city, residents or a nonprofit maintains an interest in the property or land while providing Affordable Housing on site. The could be concept is to provide a dedicated source of revenue to pursue Affordable Housing strategies. Rather than be prescriptive on which housing strategy to adopt in the ordinance, the proposal intends to create an Oversight Board composed of Affordable Housing advocates and experts to provide recommendations on how the funds in this program should be spent and allocated on an annual bases. The Oversight Board will incorporate the recommendations during the budget process and it was introduced on june 9th and in the intervening months my office has met with a number of stakeholders and with the nairs office of housing and Community Development and the amendments that im introducing today are reflection of the feedback and the suggestions that weve received to date in better lining with the original intent. Given the volume of the changes, i will briefly summarize them here and im happy to provide any additional detail thats needed. First, we have any and all instances of the housing fund. This is clarity and avoiding conclusion and making sure were including a broad range of Affordable Housing strategies including land trust, limited equity co opposite and Municipal Housing among others and that kind of has been our intention from the start. Second, the amendments provide greater details and rename the bondi that will oversee and make recommendations regarding the use of funds so specifically, as described there, the Oversight Board will be composed of 15 members with a range of backgrounds and experience in social housing and legal academic, financial expertise and advocacy organized labor and a seat reserved for most cd among other seats and so working with the Controllers Office, most cd and the board of supervisors, this Oversight Board will make budgetary recommendation and provide guidance for the use under the Housing Stability Program and this is in keeping with the intent, the legislative intent to cast a wide net in terms of the Affordable Housing and allow the Oversight Board, the latitude and but i want to a draw your attention to two in particular. The first on lines one through three, we include language as follows. Quote, among the objectives of the funds is to prioritize acquisition and creation of Affordable House ing traditional state and federal Affordable Housing funding and this is a significant component of the legislative intent and were interested in making sure strategies excluded from private support and things like Community Land trusts and can be prioritized by the Oversight Board when consider strategies for the new anticipated revenue and in addition on page two lines 24 and 25 we insert language that set ami levels, quote, based on the Median Income within the zip code where each project is located. By setting ami levels on a more granule level, i believe we can better achieve house ago forward able to people who live in any given neighborhood in San Francisco. This is long been a goal from we can pilot this program without disrupting the current method for calculating ami levels for projects not under this program. As mentioned, these amendments will require an Additional Reading in committee and ask for approval of these amendments today and im happy to answer before i wrapup i want to thank my cosponsors supervisor ronen, mar, walton and haney and im looking forward to working with Community Stakeholders and all colleagues on the board to support this critical package of housing stability measures. Thank you. Thank you, im going to hold my comments, supervisor. Lets go to Public Comment and then we can come back in case anyone wants to comment. Can you call any Public Comment. Yes. Mr. Chair, do we have any callers in queue. Looks like we have eight linsers and two in queue. James, if you can queue in the first caller, please. Hello, this is anastasia from district 8. I led this legislation and find out that its thoughtful and well drafted and establishes a fund for improvement, preservation, development. Row hab, construction, loans and grants to be administered by the Mayors Office of housing and Community Development with appropriations are accountable through annual reporting and subject to the board of supervisors approval. I love the composition of Oversight Board, this legislation establishes the mix of 15 representatives and the fact that they will be making their recommendations through a racial and Economic Equity lense. The true criteria for the use of the funds, one, this there would be agreement ensuring permit afford ability and two, its served all income qualified households setting the maximum unit price at 80 of the a. Mitch for the zip code is about time that happens. Housing Stability Fund legislation is a companion to by campaign, please, forward this item to the full board of of supervisors. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. It looks like we have four in queue now and next speaker, please. Caller hi, supervisors, my name is inaudible co director of the council of Community Housing organizations. Just want to let the you know that we fully support this legislation along with the accompanying proposition i that is on the ballot before voters. We can talk about policies with the funding to go with them. This is setting up the kind of funded, good policy that i think we all want to see. The ideas set before in this piece of legislation around expanding funding for things that are not always funded and being able to set the ami according to neighborhoods so that the housing is that located in the neighborhood truly reflects the needs of those neighborhoods and developing a system that is able to access a range of folks by averaging those amis, all good policies and a good direction and im happy to fill in autopsy support for this piece of legislation along with proposition i. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. You will be notified that your line has been unmuted and you may begin your comments. Good afternoon, supervisors corey smith on behalf of the San Francisco Housing Action coalition. Really appreciate supervisor prestons approach to a bunch of different ways to find and fund subsidized Affordable Housing. They need to be as creative as possible and so to think its really important. Two pieces as this goes forward, first, we have really fantastic Affordable Housing developers and Property Managers here in San Francisco and so whatever i guess does move forward, we encourage the board to have those organizations, those non profits continue to operate and the volatility of that Funding Source and the Funding Source could have an over all negative impact on Housing Development in San Francisco as a whole and we dont see that as a logical way to be adding revenue for it was people involved inhouseing and various way and including from knob hill neighborhoods and they manage today come up with all the that wonderful legislation. The whole range. Because it had people with different experiences. I havent seen the most version if something that says doing what. For example, i have found that some of the policies that exist now are maybe they dont really quite have the input from people who have actually lived in co opposite or condos and things of that sort and putting people in a home owner situation. Its a great idea in rental and people losing their homes and i dont speak for calvin but he is the same kind of thing. When the Community Land trust was talking at spur, they were going to buy older buildings and convert them into in my building it was 100,000 and i knew a good halfdozen around that time in which i knew people for the special assessment totals were 4 million and ours is a million and a half and so fourth, how are these people coming up with this money and the man from the your time has expired. Good afternoon, this is senior disability action and i am really pleased that this permanent resident would be and i like the idea of the ami idea and when you have sen verse seno are low income on fixed incomes and they live in the bayview. Its not quite the same with income and in order to pay rent and people should remain in their communities, thats the most important thing and stability of all in terms of neighborhoods and in terms of housing and so i am in support of this and i do hope of course that we are also looking at what the income levels would be so that it truly meets the needs of that community and those with the fewer options and the greatest need. So i am very much in support of this and thank you so much for bringing this forward. I yield my time. Thank you. We have two more people in queue next caller, please. Yes, i am happy to hear that the ami is limited to 80 of the area Median Income and its a major improvement over previous programs which have been 120 and i do have some concerns unlike the other callers, about proposals to have apologies, we lost our bridge line. We will need a few minutes. Couple people were in the queue when we lost the line. Theres only one person left. Do we want to take a coupleminute recess to see if we can get it fixed. Yes. Thank you. Thank do we have the caller queued in . I do not see the bridge line. Sorry. Vicechair safai, were having technical difficulties again. The bridge line just dropped. Give us a minute. Im going to have authur pick it up on his phone and then were going to switch to a different telephone so give us a few minutes, please. We need a little more recess. Yes, please. Lets go into recess, i have made my call already. Thank you. Thank you for your honesty. Next speaker, please. Hello, caller. Have you made comments . Lets move back to this caller. Next speaker, please. Hello i think i may have been the last caller before things went haywire. I was calling to thank the supervisors for this visionary piece of legislation, most of all, making it by neighborhood adjusting the the ami to neighborhoods. I dont know if it came through, did it . If not, there it is. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Clerk hello, caller . Ok. Lets do the next speaker. That completes the queue. Thank you. I think that we do that through sb35. But thinking about what are the barriers and the things that slow down the production of the housing and how that adds to the overall costs. Again, how you can incorporate it into the principles of social housing. So, i would say child care and things like Health Clinics and things like things that are socially promoting a Community Space can oftentimes, if its not clearly articulated and its always an afterthought and a system afterthought, it undermines the idea. You have articulated that really well. And the other thing is people who have worked in Affordable Housing for a really long time again, this is later, right, because youre passing it over from a nonprofit or somebody who is going to do it. But how do you maintain and how do you manage the housing itself . Because thats really an important aspect of sustaining and ensuring the success of these targets. So those are just some of my initial thoughts. Again, social housing, also in certain places, they dont ask tenants to graduate out if they go over income. Some of them are given opportunities for not to say that its forever, but it creates more stability. We have some very small examples of that in San Francisco. And i know of the i. Are iowu built some housing where a lot of the members, whether they were low income or not, they were able to pass that down generationally. I think that in the terms of tenancy it might be something to think about income might be something to think about, because, again well, the last aspect that you talked about earlier is, you know, the federal government is significantly investing in social housing. So the funding of that is, obviously, one of the most important things. And Land Acquisition being one of the big steps in that process. So i appreciate i appreciate the thought put into this and we will make a motion to continue this item to october 19. And its after these amendments have been made. Clerk so the remaining balance is just the continuation to october 19th. [roll call] you have two ayes. Okay, supervisor preston, one more. Madam clerk, call item 5. Clerk yes, item number 5 is an ordinance amending the administrative code to establish the covid19 rent resolution and relief fund to provide Financial Support to landlords whose tenants have been unable to pay rent due to the covid19 pandemic. The members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment on item number 5 should call the number on the screen, thats 1 415 6550001. And the meeting i. D. Is 146, 765, 3310. And if you want to line up to speak, press star, 3, and a system prompt will indicate that you have raised your hand. Supervisor preston . Supervisor preston thank you. And, yes, last but not least, the rent resolution and relief fund. And this is one that we have discussed in principle before, and i think its an important one both for tenants and also for small landlords. So as referenced in my remarks in the previous item, the rent resolution and relief fund is the second of two ordinances related to the fair recovery package. The rent resolution and relief fund is designed to assist small Property Owners whose tenants have been impacted by covid19 and have been unable to pay rent during the state of emergency. If a landlord voluntary waves the debt obligation for the impacted tenants, the landlord will be eligible to receive a percentage of the rent owed, as much as 3,000 per month through this fund. The legislation gives priority to small Property Owners, defined as landlords with 10 or fewer rental units in the city, as well as landlords facing hardship due to lost income. You will likely recall legislation previously considered regarding tenants unable to make rent due to covid19 hardships. Thats something that we have discussed quite a bit in committee and at the board. And i think that we clearly did the right thing as a board, as a city, by taking eviction off the table for those tenants. But as you, supervisor safai and other colleagues on this body by indicated at the time, theres concerns what happens to the small Property Owner who may be at risk of default on their mortgage or foreclosure as a result of the loss of that rental income. And then also from tenant advocates as we continue to have concerns in the absence of any real federal or state rent cancellation, mortgage cancellation, and a mounting rent debt, that tenants are living under right now. And so this legislation will mitigate the impact of on these small landlords and their tenants of the inability to pay due to covid19. As with the Housing Stability Fund, my office has spent months meeting with stakeholders and considering feedback. Im going to now describe some of the amendments which as with the previous item are substantive and will require an Additional Reading and we hope to amend the item and to continue it as we did the previous one so that the two can be heard together on october 19th. I will go through the amendments briefly. Page 1, line 2021, add quote the Mayors Office of Community Development shall administer the fund, and quote the funds shall be used on. Page 1, lines 2325, through page 2, lines 14, add, quote in the case of small landlords facing hardship, the grant may exceed 3,000 per month and may cover up to 65 of the rent that the landlord has waived. For purpose of this section 10. 110051. 1, the landlord with 10 or fewer rental units in the city and the term, quote facing hardship, means that the unpaid rent is likely to cause the landlord to become unable to pay mortgage payments or perform preexisting obligations or complete the necessary repairs at the property. And also strike in that same section, for the purpose of moving this provision to a later section of the ordinance, the following, quote any moneys in the funds that are not expended by december 31, 2022, may be used by for back rent payment and eviction prevention programs. On page 2, line 23, add, quote a percentage, and strike 50 . And page 4, lines 2425, through page 3, lines 12, add, quote they may also have additional requirements and procedures to ensure that the landlord whose receive grant funds continue to operate their units as Residential Rental units for five years after the date of the grant acceptance. Page 3, lines 47, strike definition of small landlords, facing hardship as it was incorporated in a previous section of the ordinance. Page three, line 1013, add, quote Section Capital c expiration, may award grants from the fund until march 31st, 2023. Any moneys in the fund not expended by march 21, 2023 may be used for back rent, payment assistance and eviction prevention programs. The board of direc supervisors y extend these. And thats my amendments and i thank supervisors ronen and mar and walton and haney. And as i mentioned, as with the changes to the previous item, hoping to approve these amendments so that we can consider the ordinance as amended at our october 19th committee hearing. And with that, i am happy to answer any questions or to move to Public Comment. Thank you. Thank you, supervisor. Madam clerk, call Public Comment. Clerk yes. Sorry arthur, if you could queue in the first caller. Yes, i have two callers in the queue and ill release the first caller. Caller hello supervisors. My name is laura kiera, and im the executive director of Legal Assistance to the elderly and im calling in support of this legislation. I attempted to call earlier in support of the nofault evictions moratorium but despite six months of quarantine i still dont know how to use the callin line. So i stayed on to also support this legislation. And we provide Free Legal Services to seniors and adults with disabilities and about 60 of all of our requests are for help with the housing and eviction offense. We are also the lead agency at the sex cells your collaborative, brought to district 11 through supervisor safais leadership. Excells your legal collaborative is the primary referral for tenants right representation in district 11. We are seeing tenants that lost their jobs in march and still arent back to work. Theyre struggling to make rent mayments and even with the state legislation that requires 25 of their rent, theyre not going to be able to meet this amount without going without food and essentials for their families. We also have a lot of seniors who are 60 and theyre too young for retirement but too old because of the high risk of contracting covid so they had to give up their jobs. Were concerned because we have a lot of senior homeowners who need this rent from these tenants to avoid foreclosure. And i think that just in sum, this economic crisis is too big for us to be able to litigate our way out of it. And it can only be resolved through compromise and negotiation. And this fund provides the resources to be able to accomplish that and to allow those parties on both sides to survive this economic crisis. Thank you very much. And have a good evening. Be well. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller yeah, i like this legislation in theory, but i am just wondering how easy it will be to implement the part that requires that priority for the funds go to small and large facing hardship. And also the renter landscape in San Francisco is not just, you know, people individually renting from from landlords. You know, theres a wide variety of models. There are people who live with roommates and there are subtenant relationships. And so im wondering how all of those would play out with this legislation. And so my concern is that even though this legislation does say that priority is going to be given to small landlords facing hardship, the individuals the organizations yeah, the entities that would be able to best take advantage of it would be the commercial landlords and, you know, not the sort of mom and pop owners or, you know, the Master Tenant who needs to who has back rent of their own to pay. And so, yeah, i think that there are some kinks that need to be worked out. So, yeah, i guess those are some of the concerns that i have with this legislation. Yeah, thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments, next speaker, please. Caller hello. This is ann staisha yopipolous. This is very smart to create a fund for homeowners who need the money. And they didnt have to apply for it, they didnt have to show that they had a need. And people who are on the verge of being evicted and who have a need, this money will be available to them to keep them from losing their home. That is the legislation, and its very smart. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Next speaker. Caller thank you, supervisors. Thank you, supervisor preston, for leading the way on this. This is ebby, and i grew up with Small Business and, yes, this is a city of primarily renters and i do counsel at the human rights, and i also had a Small Business. And you talk about the landlords and i am very appreciative that we had the word landlord. And my landlord, a small landlord, that there would be protections there too. So thank you very much for adding this to our package of housing. We support the bill. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments, next speaker, please. You will be notified that you are unmuted and you may begin your comments. Caller good afternoon, supervisors. indiscernible im the codirector of the Community Housing organizations. Happy to pass along that our coalition of 22 Housing Developers and advocates are supporting this piece of legislation. Along with our support for proposition i as said earlier, in the legislation, that its important for us to be putting forth not only excellent proposals, but the funding measures to go along with them. Earlier you all were discussing extending the protection and we need to look at what happened at the backend and how tenants are able to come out of this without losing their homes or having their credit impacted. Or having their ability to someday to go into other housing situations. So this is one piece that looks to solve a problem, not only for tenants but for landlords as well. And this is as we all experienced the consequences of the pandemic and the recession. So, thank you, and im happy to put our support behind this. And i look forward to discussing this further in light of the events. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. That completes the queue. Great. So we will make a motion to accept the items, the amendments, as proposed by supervisor preston. Can we do that without objection, madam clerk . Clerk we will need to take a roll call. On the motion to amend the legislation, [roll call] you have two ayes. Supervisor safai can we make a motion to continue this item to the meeting on october 19th . Clerk on the motion excuse me as stated, supervisor preston. Preston aye. Supervisor safai. Safai, aye. You have two ayes. Supervisor safai thank you. I dont believe that theres any other items before us, correct, madam clerk . Clerk thats correct. No further business. Supervisor safai we are adjourned. Clerk thank you. Supervisor preston thank you. Clerk thank you. Skbl. Hello. Im shawnna loghorn with the league of women voters. Along with the league and sfgovtv, im here to discuss proposition b, a proposition that will be on the ballot and before the voters on november 3. The city has three departments tasked with cleaning tasks. The city administrator oversees the department of public works and appoints the director with the mayors director. Proposition b is a Charter Amendment that would create a department of sanitation and streets which would take over some of the duties of the department of public works. This new department of sanitation and streets would be responsible for sweeping streets and cleaning sidewalks, providing and maintaining sidewalk trash cans, removing graffiti and illegally dumped waste and maintaining city buildings, public rest rooms, and street trees. The department of public works would continue to provide all other Services Required by law. Proposition b would create a fivemember sanitation and streets commission to oversee the department of sanitation and streets as well as a fivemember Public Works Commission to oversee the department of public works. The mayor would select the directors of both departments. If you vote yes, you want to create a department of sanitation and streets with oversight from a sanitation and streets commission, and you want to establish a Public Works Commission to oversee the department of public works. If you vote no, you do not want to make these changes. Im here with honey mahogany, a legislative aide with supervisor haneys office. Were also joined by lari m larry marso, an opponent of the measure. Were going to start with some opening statements, and well begin with honey. Thank you so much for having us today. I think that as a native san franciscan, someone who grew up here, and a Small Business owner, its become very clear to me that San Francisco has really failed at keep our city clean the clean. There is trash all over the streets, some streets are covered with feces, and sometimes you cant find