Transcripts For SFGTV Planning Commission 20240713

Thats in general protection of the property. There are concerns about how this work is going to be done, given that breaking up the concrete in this particular way is a little bit more invasive, doing it onsite than it would otherwise be for cages where you normally just put rocks into the cages. Do you dispute the design they have come up with is compliant with the building and planning code . Yes. We would not be here otherwise. So what part of the Building Code does it violate . I believe its stated in our brief, and i believe mr. Paul can attest to better. We took issue with some of the engineering calculations and what was submitted in that regard. I dont think thats in the brief, actually. He has a if you would like to hear from our from an engineering standpoint theres no question pending. The design process its okay. I think you have a part in the brief here. I did have a question, ms. Raphael, if you did have a settlement, and you did have this design for five years, why was that not expressly stated in the settlement as the design that would be used for the wall. I would love that. We were not able to come to an agreement for the design of the wall. The parties were eager to settle, and we did as much as we could in the settlement while preserving our rights to have oversight of the process down the road, and thats why we are here. So you guys decided you would fight about it later . We were hoping we wouldnt have to fight and we would come to an agreement. We were hoping the design that was provided previously would become more attractive given there isnt if thats what you wanted that should have been part of the Settlement Agreement. Or dont settle. It should state this is the wall we have both agreed on. You sat at a table with attorneys on both sides charging i dont know how much per hour and you agreed on something and now you are going to come and tell me that well, we really wanted the wall but you are their attorney that you didnt fight for the wall . Our number one priority was to remove the encroachments and stop the bleeding because the encroachment is still there. Insurance coverage funding their lawsuit, our clients didnt. They were fighting the war of attrition and we did our best to fight that as long as we could and hold on as long as we could and continue the good fight. The question. You understand this is black letter law. We are not a court. The courts dont rewrite Settlement Agreements. We dont renegotiate it for you. We dont save you from the things you left on the table. Theres a general relief in the agreement. And the agreement says the compliance with the code will be determined by d. B. I. , not by you. The compliance with the code of both building and planning and that all drainage requirements, all of that is vested with the city and county of San Francisco, not with you. We are here testing that. Its up to you all, to you commissioners, and we respect your opinion with regard to that issue. We are here because we dont believe thats right, but we understand that we have agreed to your determination is the determination we have agreed to so thats why we are here. It sounds like you all have your opinions, so thats that. Thats not our opinion, its what you supplied to us. You literally told us what you want to get done and now you are trying to undo what you did. Well actually it wasnt attached to the appellants brief. No, it was in the permit holders brief. I disagree if thats what was specified within the Settlement Agreement. The interpretation of the agreement is a matter for a different forum. I can see where there is no design specified in the Settlement Agreement but that leaves the question open, which is why i think we are here, because it wasnt decided. Thats not our job. And then was it permit holder seems to be very sure that it was agreed upon that encroachment was okay. And that the one growing to 11 inches was something that was agreed upon in the Settlement Agreement. Im going to ask him to read where that why hes so sure about that when he comes up again. Why should he not be so sure that an encroachment is okay. And why shouldnt this wall be allowed to encroach on your clients property. According to the Settlement Agreement, not in your opinion, according to the Settlement Agreement. Can you read that in the Settlement Agreement . Without pointing to a specific portion in the agreement, i can tell you there was no agreement as to maintaining that encroachment. But certainly i dont think either party would say there was an agreement to maintain the wall in its condition. The agreement was to remove the encroachment. Theres another encroachment that was agreed would be maintained but thats a separate component, a separate building structure than this wall we are talking about tonight. Okay. So we are getting into dangerous territory because i hear commissioner santacanas words echoing in my ears which is we are not here to rewrite a Settlement Agreement. But would this wall, according to Settlement Agreement, which is a wall of any design as long as its approved by the city and county, would this wall be okay if it did not encroach in any way, shape or form, subject to a survey . Im sorry, could you repeat the question . Would this wall be okay . Youve already agreed the wall can be built. You agreed the wall can be any design. Thats clear. The issue seems to be an encroachment issue. If this wall, if this wall did not encroach subject to a survey, then where is your issue . I think its more than just the encroachment. The design of the wall was always at issue. That was actually the subject of the previous lawsuit was that it didnt have adequate drainage, it didnt have adequate engineering. The encroachment was part of that, but the structure and design of the wall was a critical issue in the litigation. It was subject. We are getting into the weeds here. Yeah, we are getting into the weeds. We end up let me fast forward a little bit. With regard to the drainage, the engineering, the et cetera, et cetera, the gentleman over there, mr. Duffy, i would like to introduce you to him. Im being sarcastic. His very professional organization would make sure a wall that would not fall down, that would not create drainage problems, et cetera, would not happen. So what we are down to, and clearly the Settlement Agreement for me that your clients already agreed to a wall that is subject to the cosmetics of the permit holder. The issue seems to be encroachment. And so im trying to commissioner swig, the wall is going to be moved back on to the permit holders property so theres not an encroachment issue. The issue is she is disagreeing with the design. Im hearing that the wall so there is no encroachment. So theres no discussion on that. The issue in terms of the encroachment is the fact that the encroachment has to be removed and they have to access and do work on the appellants property. And thats part of why mr. Buscovich testified about the requirement there be a permit applied to and approved on both properties the same way we have companion n. O. V. S. She is liable for the encroachment and she would like to have that removed. Im hearing two completely different things. We just had a discussion with regard to if a wall is being built, and it encroaches, it needs two separate permits. If its being removed. The same is true is if its being removed. The demolition side. I got it. Okay. I take some time but i get there ultimately. I want to address mr. Pauls issues. And i hope the attorney for the permit holder may have some answers to it. The issues are that the twoinches are not properly detailed on the plans. Is that correct . Thats issue one . You have six issues here. The first one is that two inches is not listed. Thats not a question . No, thats not a question. Okay. So thats solved. Theres an issue about a fence. Is that an issue . Yes so you dont want it to be chain link . That has been changed you are worried its supposed to be 12 inches below grade and you are not see that clearly on the plans. Yes. Okay. And also the drainage of course is an issue that would allow the water to come in it seems like there was a suggestion the drainage had been addressed and researched but we can add that drainage. And you are worried theres not compaction sufficient because the fill is unknown stability. And also that you obviously dont want the rubble idea and that no calculations were available for your view. You want cal vacations made available for your view calculations made available for your view . In 2015, the designer sent a calculation. In the 2015 calculations . Yes. Thank you. We will now hear from mr. Trepa. Thank you. I think at this time ill just take any questions. I think, and i hope that cleared up the confusion. Because i was hearing the same thing. The new wall will not encroach at all. It will be placed at least one inch back on my clients property. I thought they wanted twoinches or something. The plans say two inches, yes. Now im wondering, what if, according to your view, which i think is my view of this Settlement Agreement, what if d. B. I. Had blatantly misapplied the Building Code and issued a permit for a wall that was unquestionably not in compliance with the Building Code . Is it your view that the relief that the appellant could get in that situation is they have to go to court . Well, as this process goes on, they can go back to d. B. I. And say they are not following the permit or there are other issues that have come up that d. B. I. Cant handle or they go back to court my hypothetical is the permit they applied for is different from this that you applied for is different. Its some permit that is blatantly in violation of the Building Code and somebody at d. B. I. Approves it. So now we have a permit that everybody agrees should not have been issued. In that situation is it your opinion that the appellant would have the right to appeal that permit or instead that they would have to go to court to deal with it . I think they would have to go to court to deal with it. Thank you. Can i ask really quickly on the engineering issues, which to me, im not an engineer, but they seem to be the only substantive issues in my opinion. Would your clients architect or designer be able to provide calculations for the design, if that was requested, to the thats part of the Settlement Agreement. That they would provide those . Its not provided that theyll provide calculations, but in the Settlement Agreement in the next 90 days, once this permit issue is dealt with, my client has to hire a contractor, hire an engineer. And i know if i dont provide that, well be back in court. It seems like the calculation, how much weight needs to happen, some of that stuff needs to be worked out and that will happen under those term. So you feel confident that will happen in the future . Absolutely. You have more time if you want to add to. Thats okay. We got to invite you back because we got people that use 28 minutes. Okay. We will hear from mr. Duffy. Joe duffy, d. B. I. , i did see on exhibit d on the permit holders brief that theres an engineer that did address some issues regarding the wall. And i read that letter. So some of the issues that got brought up, i just want to im not sure in the 90 days if we need another permit if theres an engineer going to provide more details or something that is going to require. We would assume that im assuming the permit got reviewed, was designed per code, reviewed by our engineers as i said earlier, and meets code. If theres more additions or stuff thats needs done, thats going to trigger revisions. I dont know why you didnt why everything wouldnt have been on the drawing and why we dont need more stuff. Because that would have been part of the work. So im just putting it out there. It sounds like if theres no other comments, its going to be a different permit. We dont know that, but im surprised to hear that i get the 90 days to get the contractor. I dont get the 90 days to add more details when we have a permit already that is for the work. And i assume it meets code. Sorry to be confusing you. Thats very helpful. Does this feel more like a site permit . It shouldnt be it shouldnt be, but it feels like a site permit because the details are not available for the permit. And my question to you on top of that, does this feel like a site permit, is that can you give us comfort, and can you give the appellant comfort that the issues related to drainage and the sturdy nature of the wall and all the things that have been brought up here tonight will be investigated and made compliant in the process of completing this permit . Commissioner swig, five years of settlement, do you think anything is going to make them happy . No. But im asking my point is. Are you going to look at all this stuff, you know . I mean this seems to me this is what d. B. I. Does. D. B. I. Is going to look at the plans that are created by the contractor, they are going to make sure that the drainage is right. They are going to make sure that the structure is built correctly and its not going to fall down and go boom, and that all the other things that might go wrong will be addressed as part of signing off on the final plan. The building coda allows for that code allows for that. If pees people file a complaint with d. B. I. Or if these people file a complaint with d. B. I. And the engineer says you have made a lot of mistakes, we are going to have to address that. We would allow that. And its a pity its being brought up now. But i would assume when i get up here and tell you about a permit thats been issued, its been reviewed by our Structural Engineer for code compliance. I have to say that permit is code compliant unless someone says its not and they want to go back to d. B. I. , they can do that. There werent plans in the agreement which is unfortunate. I did answer a question there, can i say the permit is issued correctly . Based on the information i have, yes. I havent seen the plans but i want to clarify that. When you have a wall like this, and ive seen these walls forever and ever, its really not other than maybe the imbalance of the stones inside the cage, its the integrity of the cage and how the cage is affixed to the ground is what its all about, because isnt the inside of the cage for the most part cosmetic . And wouldnt the cage be such structured steel and engineered so it would keep anything that was put inside it inside as long as what was inside that wasnt susceptible to deterioration by the elements . Yep. If you put water in a paper bag, its not going to last. You imagine that the way it is. You see them around. They work pretty well. I like the walls actually. But if theres drainage to come later on, im not sure how thats going to be done. I wish that had been part of the permit. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioners, this matter is submitted. Can i ask one question, based on what mr. Duffy just said in regards to future engineering or future drainage or future things, is that conceived . Is that beyond your knowledge because you are not an engineer . What are you thinking . Im not an engineer. I would submit that i believe that it is structurally sound and engineered. I dont believe that i wont have pushback from ms. Chapman on these issues. I think within the next 90 days, i will have to address those issues because of the dynamic. Okay. Great. Thank you. My recommendation would be that we accept the appeal and condition the permit to address that it should reflect both 765 and 775 as the Building Department has recommended. If thats going to cause an issue, then i would just deny the permit. I mean deny the appeal. I think mr. Duffy was suggesting there needs to be two permits, not one permit with two addresses. If thats what you want, commissioner honda, it just had to be a separate permit. And i do not support the appeal. I think this permit was properly issued. I do too. So if theres got to be this unfortunate parallel permit, i would submit this settlement is authorization to do that. I dont know the building requirements, so they got to figure that out. But this permit was properly issued. How they are going to get the second permit, we might see them again. I agree. And its not clear to me that they have to get a second permit. My point early was they can show up and demolish this wall, which is exactly what the Settlement Agreement demands that they do. And you know, if ms. Chapman wants to take them to court over that, she can. But i see no reason why some other permit will ever be required based on the Settlement Agreement. So deny the appeal that the permit was properly issued. Thats my motion. Okay. We have a motion from Vice President honda to deny the appeal on the basis that the permit was properly issued. On that motion [roll call vote] so that motion carries 40. And we do have one last item. Oh, we do. I plan this because i know Everyone Wants to go. This was by design. Okay. Increase it by 20 . Everything goes up. This is the adoption of the boards budget for fiscal years 21 and 22. The board is on a twoyear budget cycle of city departments must submit twoyear budget proposals by february 21, which weve done. However we do need the board to adopt the budget. Our budget, nothing much has changed. Nothing has changed, basically 96 of of our revenue comes from sun charges put on permits. 4 comes from filing fees. And those have not changed for ten years. 2010. Moving onto page 4, the expenditure budget is very similar to what it was last year. Almost twothirds as with many departments almost twothirds of the expenditure budget covers salary and fringe benefit expenses and 26 goes to Services Provided by other departments such as our wonderful city attorney, and actually he always comes in under budget. So its not as much as we project. Good job. I thought i would go work for the government. And a portion also goes to sf gov tv, so if you are watching, you guys do a great job. A smaller portion of our budget covers Specialized Services like interpreters or neighborhood notification. We have to provide notice of the hearing to every, generally, usually, all residents within 150 feet of the subject property. So thats really . Every hearing . Most hearings. Yeah. So thats how the neighbors, they get postcards, and then they show up. So yeah. Its a requirement under the law. And then moving onto page five, our projected appeal volume is 14 below the 10year average. You guys are so lucky. See those spikes . Thats how long ive been here. Those represent a lot of late nights. Exactly. Thank you for your service. So it does flash away depending on legislation and enforcement. In terms of our revenue, our our projected revenue is at a deficit. And it seems quite high but dont let that alarm you because last year our projected deficit was 177,000 and it turned out it was only 57,000. So these numbers do fluctuate. Dont be alarmed. Can i ask about that . And maybe this is more about page oh, the same thing. The variance is projected at 293,000 . Right . Thats the projection. 266,000. You are looking at page 8 . I went back to page 6. Sorry, page 6. Let me see. So thats the revenue projection, yes. A deficit in the revenue. Okay. And then page 8 is just taking it all together. Right, page 8 looks at the projections, revenue and expenditures. And so who is going to raise our filing fees . Well, as i said, the bulk of our revenue comes from we can discuss that, raising filing fees. Im not sure if the climate, if the city would encourage that, because it discourages members of the public from filing appeals. There is a provision that allows for lowincome and indigent individuals to phyla peels. And they are only 4 of the budget. Correct. So every year what happens is the Controllers Office does a calculation. They analyze all our statistics, and they determine whether or not a surcharge increase is warranted. And so thats what will happen in april after we get all the information from all the departments that issued permits and how much money they are bringing in and the volume of appeals. And they figure out how much a surcharge should be. And before your time, commissioner santacana and after i started actually, they significantly lowered surcharge rates for d. B. I. And Planning Department matters. Talking about increasing commissioners so they werent just a small fee so that members of the public could participate, because they say that commissioners now have to financially be okay to be able to serve and participate. Imagine if they gave us real pay what our budget would look like. Yeah. So that calculation, the surcharge analysis will be done in april. They were lowered significantly. The purpose of that was to rebalance, because we still have a significant amount in our reserve. Its 897,000 in our reserve. And that will go down, because we do have large payments, a large payment to make for our appeal Management System which shouldnt get reflected in fiscal year 19. It will be reflected in fiscal year 20. It will go down some, but that is goal because the purpose of the surcharge is cost recovery. We dont want to overcharge the public. But we want our services covered. And of course we want to offer, because time fluctuate. If theres a recession in the future. I might as well repeat myself. I think i started this campaign a can you remember years ago that i think the wisdom of this a couple of years ago. Is your mic on . Now it is. The wisdom of reducing the surcharges was questionable. It didnt anticipate what it sets up this department or any business, and this is a business, is that if there is a downturn and suddenly even though we have a surplus, a downturn creates significant negative cash flow, and then suddenly we are going, uhoh, what are we going to do now, whereas if theres the wisdom of sustaining, not i never advocated growing the fees but sustaining the fees as they were, and that is a buffer when the downturn comes, and that prevents the need at the exactly the worst time to raise fees. Because we are in a downturn, thats when folks really cant afford an increase in fees. So i respectfully disagree with what the city did a couple years ago by declining reducing our fees. And i certainly would suggest that we look at this in a more businesslike fashion and anticipate that there might be a downturn in the future and not set ourselves up for failure. Thank you. Probably not going to happen. Youre on the record. Are there any other questions . I gesture want to commend you on i just want to commend you on a excellent job thank you. Ive had the benefit of two fabulous individuals as my director. Im very impressed how every week is orderly, all our cases are distributed evenly. We dont, you know, you let us you give us a warning for everything. And so your budget into looking at it is thank you so much. And i just want to say i love working for the board and i love all the commissioners, and our success is attributed a lot to the staff in the office who do a great job making sure those staff guys . Really . Aelectric is particularly, hes alec is great at making sure the postcards go out what happened to our intern . He wasnt feeling well. Hell be in next week if he is feeling better. We have coronavirus, so he is staying home. He was planning on being here tonight. I will tell him. Hell be back. Ari, where are you . Is there any Public Comment on this item . Meeting adjourned no we have to approve the budget. [laughter] a motion to approve the budget while noting my comments of concerning. Okay. Thank you. We have a motion from commissioner swig to adopt the budget with a notation regarding his concern. On that motion [roll call vote] aye and i adopt commissioner swigs concerns as my own as well. [roll call vote] okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. We are done. Its corona time. [end of meeting] thursday, march 5, 2020. I would like to remind members of the public to silence your mobile devices that may sound off. When speaking before the commission, state your name for the record. I would like to take roll call at this time. [roll call] commission richards has first under your, on your agenda, is consideration of ims proposed for continuance. Item 1, case 2019001455cua, 1750 wawona street, conditional use authorization proposed for continuance. Item 2, 2019003900drp, 1526 masonic avenue proposed for continuance. Item 3, 2019017837prj proposed for indefinite continuance, and item 4, 20154109, 33 12th street has been withdrawn. Item 12, the Hazardous Materials Management Procedures informational presentation is proposed for continuance to march 19, 2020. Items 13a and b for case numbers 201913cuavar proposed for continuance to april 30, 2020. Under your discretionary review calendar, items 15a and b, case numbers 2825drp at 780 kansas street has been withdrawn. And the variance component of that project is being proposed for continuance to march 25 to the Zoning Administrators variance hearing agenda. I have no other items proposed for continuance. I did have one speaker card from mr. Dr atler on item 13a if he wishes no, he does not wish to speak to the continuance. So that is all i have. Would anyone else like to publicly comment on the items proposed for continuance . Come on up. Ryan patterson representing the project sponsor for items 13a and b. This is a cu for section 317. We are, its a section 317cu trying to preserve an existing unit that was reconfigured with permits about 15 years ago. This unit is tenantoccupied, and while we have recently received concerns from planning, we would like to work with planning staff to try to resolve those and to support a continuance, request a continuance to april 30 to do that. Thank you very much. Commissioner moore. Im sorry, so one more time. Anyone else for Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner moore. Move to continue items as indicated in addition with item 12, 13, 15, with dates in the record. Second. Thank you, commissioners. On that motion to continue items as proposed then. [roll call vote] so moved, that motion passes unanimously 60. If the Zoning Administrator could opine on items 13b and 15b. Sure. Item 13b, variance will be continued to april 30, joint hearing of Planning Commission, and item 15b will be continued to the regular variance hearing on march 25. Thank you. Commissioners, that will place us under your consent calendar. All matters listed here under constitute a consent calendar are considered to be routine by the Planning Commission and may be acted upon by a single roll call vote of the commission. There will be no separate discussion of the items unless a member of the commission the public or staff so requests in which event the matter shall be removed from the consent calendar and considered as a separate item at this or a future hearing. 49 missouri street and item 6, case 022530cua, 4 west portal avenue, conditional use authorization. I have no speaker cards. Would any members of the public like to comment on the consent calendar . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner johnson. Move to approve items 5 and 6 with conditions. Second. Thank you, commissioners. On that motion to approve items 5 and 6 under your consent calendar, [roll call vote] so moved, that motion passes unanimously 60 placing us under commission matters, item 7, consideration of Adoption Draft minutes for february 20, 2020. I have no speaker cards. Would anyone from the public like to comment on the draft minutes . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner diamond. Second. On that motion to adopt the minutes for february 20, [roll call vote] so moved, commissioners. That motion passes unanimously 60. Item 8, commission comments and questions. Seeing none, commissioners, department matters. Commissioner moore. I would like to thank commissioner richards for his service. And i will miss him as a colleague and an effective person being on this commission with us. Thank you, commissioner richards. If there are no other comments, we can move onto department matters, item 9, directors announcements. Commissioners, good afternoon. With the Department Staff here in a unique week as we bid farewell to director ram and await director hilli say. Director hillis. Item 10, review of past events at the board of supervisors, board of appeals and Historic Preservation commission did not meet yesterday this weeks Land Use Committee heard the in length occupancy. The ilo ordinance proposes to regulate occupancies and dwelling units between 30 and 365 days. You heard this item twice, back on january 30 when you voted to recommend approval with modifications. Those modifications include enacting interim controls on new i. L. O. S, collecting data on the scale and clarifying admin amendments for nonprofit organizations. Monday was the second time the ordinance was heard at the Land Use Committee. This week at the beginning of the hearing, supervisor peskin announced another continuance to give him time to meet with representatives and advocates. He invited planning staff to co. Staff expressed concerns over the Unanswered Questions in the ordinance. Supervisor peskin moved to continue the hearing to march 9. The ordinance that would amenity bay windows and horizontal projections passed its first read. The appeal for the environmental termination of 1581 Howard Street was continued to april 14. Thats all i have for you today. Thanks. Seeing no question, we can move onto general Public Comment. At this time, members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. With respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting. I have two speaker cards. [calling names] i have three minutes, please, sir . Thank you. Good afternoon, commissioners. I second Vice President moores comments about commissioner richards, and i totally agree with them. Anyway, i looked on your website for roof deck policy and you cant find it there on the website. And so i think the official roof deck policy installed since 2018. So something last spring that was tried but i dont think that went ahead. And i have a handout but i cant find that on the website. So i think that roof decks should be defined as the following open space on the uppermost area of a structure requiring a stair penthouse or hatch for access. I think the plans often conflate this type of roof deck with the access required at the top with a roof deck that is off living space, created by setbacks that reduce the mass, particularly setbacks overlooking rear yards, and i told these should be called terraces because that matches the definition in the dictionary. Roof decks that require stair penthouses or a hatch should not be permitted on smaller projects if the open space requirement can be met through preservation of natural carboncapturing rear yards. Here are the negative issues as i see them with roof decks that require a stair penthouse or a hatch. They add hundreds of thousands of dollars to Construction Cost and sales price of one to threeunit buildings and that decreases relative affordability. They increase the mass. I mean even if you have the glass, when you see them, its mass, and people put couches from Restoration Hardware up there, and that makes mass. I think theyre also used for the marketing of the projects by capturing views and my favorite mantra is no one entitled to a view. I dont think they should be up there for that reason. And finally, theyre really not viable in a windy, foggy city like San Francisco. So thats my comment on that. And heres the 150 words for the minutes. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Can i get the overhead, please . Great. Commissioners, my name is joe butler. Im an architect here any city. Im here about 526 lombard street which is on your agenda for next week. Only recently hired by aquaintances of 20 years who live near the project but were traveling during the period of 311 notice. Several things are missing. And several things are incorrect in the application that was submitted by the project sponsor and their architect, second architect on the job. First on the permit application, you can see that the new construction, and im talking about the rear building which will be wholly new construction on a required year yard for which variances will be sought, you can see that a site survey done by a Civil Engineer as required, we dont have a site survey. Second, it fronts on two streets or more precisely, a street and an ally, at the back of the property is fielding street. The back of the property is fielding street, at the front is lombard street and if one reads the code carefully you have to use the street to measure. So in the back, they are reducing the required rear yard by adding a new building where theres currently lawn. And its at least 34 feet high from grade. But thats not where we measured. We measured from the top of the curb, at the midpoint of the two on the up and the low ends of the lot, on its main frontage. Also when we reduce the rear yard, the last 30 feet, the last 10 feet of the building is supposed to be reduced to 30 feet in height. So that we dont have a big, shady yard. In this case, there is no such setback, but we think two things. One that 261 should apply, and the sun point should be observed. You can see what happens to the third floor. There we go. If, however, the project sponsor were to drop that to 30 feet above grade or the midpoint of the top of the curb, maybe four or five feet as ive shown here, the sun plane wouldnt interfere with the 30 height thats required for the last 10 feet of averaging. You go down a longer list. Heres the Planning Department submittal guidelines which call for the site survey. Heres the fee schedule. This one is rich. The first architect put 300,000 for a 3800 square foot new house. Its really over a million. That means that the Planning Department has lost down on about 12,000 in fees. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, president koppel and members of the Planning Commission. My name is kathleen cortney. Russian Hill Community association. Two years ago, the russian Hill Community association sent a letter of support for the reappointment of rich hillis as a commissioner sitting on the Planning Commission at that time we noted that there were a couple of things that we disagreed with the commissioner about, but we appreciated his comments. Now, you more than anyone else knows that theres a difference between the skill set required of a Planning Commissioner and a skill set required of a planning director. Youre also well aware of the concerns Many Community members have expressed about the appointment. But more than this, youre complicit in the decision of the reappointment or the appointment of rich hillis as Planning Commissioner, because you are the commission that recommended reviewed applicants, that gutted them, that looked at the minimum requirements and recommended the recommended names to the mayor. So i call to your attention, and i urge you, and i really request that you be aware of your responsibility, because starting now, your responsibility extends beyond the idea of simply looking at what comes before you at the Planning Commission. Your responsibility also is to the Planning Department. It is up to you now to make sure that the qualifications, the protocols, the mentoring, the education of our planners is really disciplined and professional, because if we dont have a professional architect or urban planner in charge of the Planning Department, may i respectfully request that that responsibility now falls to you. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Hi, everyone. My name is anna and im a resident and artist at 221 11 street, also known as the dovetail community. At dovetail we house artists and their workspaces at affordable rates. We are being threatened with eviction despite working with the landlord in good faith to legalize our space. We need the Planning Department to accept our application for conditional use of our space under the act. We are one of the last communities in San Francisco of offering space for movement arts, visual arts, live workspaces at below market rate. As a dancer and Movement Artist personally dovetail represents to me a haven. The availability of affordable indoor practice spaces and the possibility of hosting Creative Community gatherings are rarities in San Francisco. Spaces like dovetail make it possible for me and many others like me to pursue the arts and foster Strong Communities around the arts. We want to be in good graces with the neighbors and landlord. We support the success of the restaurant downstairs from us in many ways like encouraging the patronization, being conscious of noise, especially during their Business Hours, and offering other forms of assistance throughout the years. Sadly, the landlord has blocked two times our notarized permit request and trying to evict us on the platform that we are not doing the work. City ordinance requires this to proceed and obligated to provide codecompliant housing. Planning allowed the withdrawal of conditional use application by the property owner. The legislation which you read into the last meeting is clear, the owner should not have a discussion to withdraw legally filed conditional use application. Instead they are required to bring the building into compliance with residential code and legalize the space. Please help protect dovetail and the artists of San Francisco. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. My name is brittney, and im also a tenant at 221 first street. Im a Mental Health counselor. We work with people struggling with housing and im also a student in the urban studies and Planning Program at s. F. State with a focus on homelessness and Affordable Housing. The dovetail Community Means a lot to me as it provides a space for me to live affordbly as im working and going to school. It is also a place for hosting activism events around topics like Affordable Housing and encouraging people to participant politically such as voting parties to inform people about ballot measures. It is critical to me to maintain currentlyexisting Affordable Housing in the city so students and social workers like myself and avarices can live, work and study in a home that offers secure and Affordable Housing and encourages participation in the greater community. This is our home, and it would mean a tremendous amount if you would support the Planning Department to accept our conditional use permit as it is required by the act and your applications that we can move forward in the legalization process to become residents. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else . Come on up. Good afternoon, president koppel, fellow commissioners. With no neighborhood counsel and San Francisco coalition. Im here to echo what ms. Cortney brought to your attention and our basically total surprise from the outcome of who you recommended as part of the roster for the planning director. We have brought up issues in terms of mr. Hillis qualifications, thats not new. But one thing we have not talked enough about is his outlook on what neighborhoods are supposed to be transformed in light of all this push for denseification. We really look to you to make sure that something that is going to come out of the Planning Department that most likely is going to reflect that is going to be equitable and just. As an example, i know that director hillis used to often time bring up the residential expansion threshold and would oftentimes bring up that maybe we should bring it back. As some of the speakers here mentioned, that program was kneecapped, guilty as charged, i was one of those people that worked very hard to make sure it was kneecapped. The reason it was kneecapped was because it was unjust. You cannot go and up zone well, up zone in a sense, of the Square Footage of the entire city of San Francisco to come up with a Floor Area Ratio that is virtually covering maybe 5 of San Francisco would live up to that. So thats an example that we are looking to you to look into these programs that are going to be coming out of the Planning Department and look into you to make sure we are not going to have back door up zoning. Weve already had front door up zoning thanks to Assemblymember Phil ting and his two adus per lot. We would appreciate it if you look into the programs and side with us, the residents of the city of San Francisco, who need to have a just program, fair planning. Thats what were asking you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Anyone else for general Public Comment . Seeing none, general Public Comment is closed. There are no questions, we can move onto your regular calendar for item 11, 49 south van ness avenue, permit Center Project informational presentation. Hi. My name is Melissa White how is. Im the permit Center Director in the city administrates office, and im excited to address the commission today. Im probably going to present for somewhere between ten and 15 minutes and im hoping theres time for questions at the end. Before i ive in, i wanted to say thank you to all the Planning Department, in particular, i really would like to thank every individual there but in the sake of time i want to thank liz watty and the whole core pick team for how wonderful theyve been since ive been in this job for a little over a year. I want to thank jonas and this commission for helping us have Christine Silva to support electronic plan review. Im going to talk about how integral she has been to this process. I hope while you are hearing my presentation, you are taking pride because we could not be doing this without your support of having christine support us and your whole department being so open to change, which has been really great. So i also am joined by samuel who is a project manager at public works for all of 39 south van ness and then Jeff Hamilton who is a Communications Director for the project as well. So im going to give you an overview of the 49 south van ness project and the permit center which is the driving force for this building. Im going to talk about how we are preparing through pilots at your existing locations and lastly im going to talk about electronic plan review. So this building, im sure you are very familiar with it. When i took this job, we spent four months where i went in depth observing. I sat with the team, i got to know them, i sat at the mission. I had a lot to learn when i took this job. I came from the Mayors Office where i was used to improvements and being cheerful and pushy, but i had never worked in the perming world, so i really got a crash course from the employees in my first few months, and we did strategic planning. And this is the mission and vision statement that came out of that process, ultimately signed off on by the mayor. John ram and many others were involved in that. What i love about this is we are going to be a one stop shop is what we are trying to say, and we are going to be friendly, streamlined and efficient. So i think about that quite frequently. What does it mean to be friendly, streamlined and efficient . So, well, we are going to be moving into a new 16story building, 430,000 square feet. We sold three buildings to finance this project as a city. The whole second floor, which is the main Public Policy push for this, is to improve our service to the public. Its going to be a onestop permit shop, about 40,000 square feet. We are going to have up to 500 transactions a day, up to 16 different departments interacting on the floor, and we are really using this move as a function for change. We are going to keep things that are working well, and we are going to change things that need to be improved. And by the way, we are moving, starting to move in less than three months. So heres the picture of the building. You probably notice as you walk by. Its looking similar to this now. This picture has been here since before it was up at all. You can see theres going to be beautiful trees, balconies, light, planning will obviously be on floors 13 through 15. Its going to be so beautiful up there. Beautiful views. Yesterday i was there at the end of the day when the sun was setting. Beautiful sunset. You can actually see future tower over the twin peaks. Its going to be very bright, everything new. New furniture, really wonderful. These are renderings of the permit center floor. Another thing as i mentioned, we are going to colocate. We are going from 13 locations that we send customers to right now, and even just like at 1660, we send customers across six different floors of one of these 13 locations to one floor of one building as much as humanly possible. So a really big change for the staff. And after we move, we are down to the orange dot on the page, we are going to be leaving port out on the port because its more efficient for the port tenants. They already operate as a onestop shop on the port but everyone else is coming in. So we are moving, we are colocating, does that mean we are immediately efficient, friendly and streamlined . Not necessarily. We still have to be super thoughtful about how we organize. And when i was doing the discovery period, what i saw, which i was really pleased by, is i saw just huge i wasnt pleased by this but didnt find it surprising. Theres a lot of bureaucracy. Department staff want to do a good job. They are working super hard, but they have subpar technology and subpar space, and theres not a lot of everyones nervous to tell anyone else what to do. So as a result, we kind of see a lot of silos. So really the benefit of this building is breaking that down, starting to Work Together, we are going to all be together. So i feel like its not any individual departments fault that things are the way they are, and im sure you all can appreciate that. But its just really this bureaucracy. So how are we organizing the permit center . We have eight departments that we are calling regular station departments. They are going to be staffing our hopefully regular standard hours of operation, 7 30 a. M. To 4 30 p. M. As of a week ago, thank you again to the Planning Department, you have expanded your Historic Preservation hours, which is amazing. Customers are so excited about that. And we had ten different sets of hours of operation across these eight regular station departments when i did our initial analysis. And we are pushing everyone to the same hours of operation every day. So when youre a customer coming in, you know who you are going to be able to encounter when you come in. And then theres another group of departments that dont need to be sitting there all day, but they are going to have access to the floor. Maybe they are sitting in an upper floor, and well call them down to the next floor to meet with a customer. Heres the floor plan. This is the second floor. Another big thank you to planning. So instead of all planning staff being together, planning is going to have one business in one in the business area. We did this intentionally. A lot of thought went into how we structured the floor plan. We are trying to organize it around customer goals, instead of department. We are trying to think about this as what is a customer trying to do and how can we organize the whole floor to help them accomplish that. So the permit Services Area is the equivalent of the department of Building Inspections i. P. R. And c. P. B. Today which are permit techs who take your plans and help route you. The construction area is the equivalent of planners and engineers, people doing the technical review, and special events and business are not related to construction permitting as much although there can be overlap. And so what are the changes that we are implementing . Huge change is coming. We are going to be colocating in the space. We are going to have a print shop, a onestop print shop on the floor so that planners in the middle of the day, when someone rips down the signs all around someones building and a planner three or four is like being called from city hall to go and print the signs again can seemlessly send the customer to the print shop on the floor where the job will be saved, and they can get them reprinted. That was on a idea that came from planning and public works. We are going to have valuized cashiering cashiering centralized cashiering. We have people who will smile and greet you when you you arrive. We have such a wide range of customers. We have customers that come every day, and we have customers that come once and every return. The customers who come once were wandering around lost and confused, getting in the wrong line and sometimes crying. We cannot have that. Last week we had a team of model molded after your 311 classifications. Their job is to help the customer and route them appropriately. This should hopefully take workload off of your permit Department Staff who are just working so hard to issue thousands of permits a year as well. So its a benefit for both customers and staff. And then technology, we also implemented we started in august, thank you again to planning, to try out our new electronic cueing system. We just went live last week across the fifth floor of mission. It was a big deal, and it went fine. No one freaked out. Its going well. People are seemlessly moving around the floor. It was a massive change. I was very nervous. But im really happy. I think we showed proof of can september. When we move into the new building, instead of everyone having their own sign in, theres one location where everyone gets in the cue for all the departments. When i finish with planning, planning recused me into the building queue. If you havent been by 1660, you should check it out. Your team was supportive. The last one is electronic planner view. This is showing you, so how are we preparing for the change without overwhelming your employees . The answer is piloting. We started a pilot with planning and fire in august. Then we implemented at public works in january. Last week as i mentioned, we took a huge change live to test out all these concepts at our existing space, and thats what we are trying to do is slowly ramp up over time. And really so that we can get feedback before we move. So heres the fifth floor map. So you can see you come off the elevator. Theres a giant start here sign. And then you go to one location on the floor where the team greets you and helps to get in the line. We took a new routing step. The new Customer Service team, pictured now, lovely folks. A new system, a new Customer Service team. We implemented a new routing slip with no acronyms. That is a paper sheet that helps you understand your whole journey. And where you are going. We implemented signage changes. There was signs everywhere with arrows and all that got taken down. It was really fun. Late at night one night. And now theres clear signage across the floor. And i should also note planning moved from the first floor to the fifth floor in january to fill at a time this change. We flipped your staff. They were so patient. So lovely, moving four months before another move. So im just really appreciative of how wonderful planning is. And that is it on the physical space changes. I now wanted to talk to you about Digital Space changes. So its really exciting the changes we are making in the physical space but if we want to have a huge impact on the customer experience, especially with intake permits, we really need better digital tools. So these are photos of actual cubicles full of plans and we are really going to try to go paperless. E permit center team is taking on the implementation of electronic planner view. We have huge support having christine on board to move this forward. And why are we doing this . It seems like it would be obvious but just to be clear, process improvements, no lost plans, efficiency, time saving, paper saving, environmental savings, cost savings, many, many reasons why we want to move away from paper plans and into the product weve selected. So we procured blue beam. Its being used frequently in the private sector right now. S. F. O. , the airport has been using it for their projects for two years. We have up to 15 city departments involved right now. We also brought, in addition to having christine who is so amazing and has so much experience with the Planning Department, we also brought on ae, they have implemented blue beam in other jurisdictions that went to no paper as well, and its been really helpful having them on board. And this is not a big bang implementation. We are not saying starting tomorrow we are paperless. Instead, what we have done is we have done three pilot projects, three 100 affordable projects. One teacher housing project, one 71units for formerly house and one set of affordable units. And we are just piloting. Our first project got completed entirely electronic review, 966 oak, that just finished last week. Every department, what this means is, the plans live in the cloud. Every department got invited in by christine. They marked up their comments, and we yesterday invited the applicant in to review the comments. And this also date and time stamps everything that everyone does. So its very clear who is doing what, who is saying what, really, really excellent tool. And really though, a big change. So its did take us a little bit to ramp up in scale. We are in the middle of a massive move, as i mentioned, so we dont want to overwhelm people, which is why we are going to learn from this pilot and scale up over time. And ive also been told i talk very fast. So i am happy to answer any questions. I just wanted to be really respectful of your time today. And thats it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any more presentations or Public Comment . Public comment. Just the one speaker card from georgia. Thank you. We may have questions for you later that was really great. I need three minutes, please, i guess. A couple things occur to me. The thing that im looking forward to is that d. B. I. And planning will be together. And theres two things that come to mind as to why its good they are together. One is the flat policy. So if somebody comes in, and they have a pair of flats, and they want to do something, its caught if they are not doing something they should be doing. One thing that puzzled me are over the counter permits going to be with permit services. If you are just going to redo the flatlies would that be with construction . That information could be lost. So theres a lot of problems as youve seen with over the counter permits coming on. The other thing is reviewing plans that are extreme alterations for the demo calculations. Sometimes what happens is the plans are submitted, they go to the planner, and then six months or longer later, the planner has to write an n. O. P. D. R. Saying i need the demo calcs. So thats when the project sponsor com in with the plans, those demo calcs should be on there. I hope that with d. B. I. And planning together at that, the construction section, they can check on that. Because right now, i dont know that thats always happening. And i know that d. B. I. Looks at vertical expansions over 350,000 as demos. I assume theyll continue to do that unless something happens with 317. So thats what im hoping, and it sounds like that will be the case. The other thing i have the question about, the paperless. Right now, if you want to, as a member of the public, you can buy, for 5 a sheet, and its pretty cheap, i know, a fullsized set of plans each sheet. And sometimes its very helpful to people. So does that mean if you are going paperless that you wont be able to buy that anymore when you get it all ramped up . Its just a question. The other question i have is when the public comes in to see plans, if theres not, like i laughed at that scene but ive experienced that with all those plans. Will you be able to see them on a full screen when you come in as a member of the public to review the plans . Or will you have to look at a little screen . Theres a big difference between a little screen and big screen. Thats why the fullsized plans are sometimes important to look at at. Thats basically it. But i worry about the over the counter permit things and things getting missed. If over the counter is going to permit. The surgery between d. B. I. And planning is the most important thing you are going to get from this. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else for Public Comment . Public comment is closed. Commissioner fung. Question for the presenter. I understand theres a Software System that is going to be able to cross the departments. I understand thats a Software System thats going to be able to cross between the departments. Is that Software System very expensive system finally in place . Are you talking about so bluebeam is the system where im not talking about bluebeam. You are talking about d. B. I. s p. T. S. System versus what planning is using or planning will be going into that. They are using the software for their Case Management and a lot of times p. T. S. Is being used as well. By planners. So they are going onto p. T. S. , which is the department of Building Inspections system. And they are signing off there and the other one. I understand theres going to be a common system. Isnt that correct . I cant hear you i understand its going to be a common system. Is that not correct . You know, it would be better to have d. B. I. Come and present. Im not involved in that project. But im aware it is on hold at the moment. Okay. Commissioner imperial. I just want to address one of the Public Comment. Is there going to be an option for paper for the plans . Yes. And i will be happy to give anyone my card that wants to meet with me so we can walk through the details. We are committed to meeting the customers where they are at. So for some customers, they love bluebeam, they are using it, and they are going to make comments back and forth with the city staff in bluebeam, but for some customers, they dont want to do that, so we are thinking through the need for different work flows, and we have the case where some people are not interested in using a computer, and we have a beautiful new brand new permit center where we would love to accept them and help them. And we can scan in their plans after they have submitted them for them. Commissioner johnson. Thanks. I just want to thank you for this presentation and to all of the staff and our wonderful planning staff who has been flexible through all this change. Love the idea of having a crossdepartment collaboration in this space. We know that space is the only thing that fill dates collaboration between departments facilitates collaboration. I think she is an expert in the use so im glad you switched information, and i hope you will talk. And a special thanks to ms. Silva. Ive heard from many people about your expertise and support in this process, that its been really helpful and excellent. So thank you all so much. Thank you. Mr. Snyder. Not to pylon too much but i want to acknowledge and thank this particularly dynamic group, samuel and jeff and particularly melissa. The impact and benefit to all ability to serve the public is going to be tremendous. And work that you and your team have done, herding the various cats involved is herk hercul. Thank you. Im sorry i couldnt hear well before. Thank you. Item 12 has been continued as have items 13a and b, places us on item 14 for case number 201012576cua at 1769 bombard street. This is a conditional use authorization. Good afternoon, commissioners. David, Planning Department staff. The case before you is a request for conditional use authorization pursuant to planning code sections 303, 145. 2 and 71220 authorize an Outdoor Activity area in conjunction with a previously authorized kennel use at 1769 lombard street, as well as a required oneyear review of the approved kennel use. Condition number 13 of motion number 20355 approved on december 13, 2018, requires a oneyear review of the establishment and its adherence to the conditions. The establishment has adhered to a number of conditions but failed to adhere to others. I will summarize them here. Condition number ten required interagency consultation between Planning Department staff and staff of other agencies of the city. Since the Previous Commission hearing, staff maintained continual correspondence with staff at the department of Public Health, and the report includes a list of requirements that will be placed upon all animal care facilities by d. P. H. It will be subject to these conditions once the Health Permit is approved. That Health Permit is currently on hold at the Planning Department pending approval of this c. U. A. And a corresponding Building Permit. Condition number 12 is a required staff to conduct unannounced inspections of the facility, three held on may 24, july 23 and december 12 of 2019. During each inspection, staff was welcomed to view the interior of the establishment but prohibited by employees from walking through the establishment to the rear yard. Condition number 11 required a neighborhood meeting to be held that included the attendance of Department Staff, to date this meeting has not yet been held. Conditions number 14, 17 and 19 are operational conditions relating to minimizing nuisances on the adjacent properties. They have adhered to the conditions including assuring that employees use low voices, practice zero tolerance for animal cruelty. The establishment also has begun to drain all waste from the rear yard toward a sewer and away from adjacent properties. They have begun use of a bioenzymeenzyme product to contl odor. They have not replaced artificial turf with concrete for one of the conditions, nor have they consulted a sound engineer, but they plan to do so upon approval of this c. U. A. As well as a corresponding Building Permit. Condition 20 restricting use of the rear yard to 7 00 a. M. To 7 00 p. M. However because the area was never authorized, use of the rear yard is currently prohibited. The sponsor claims the rear yard is not in use, although this claim has been contested by some neighbors. The project sponsor also has volunteered a condition that no more than eight dogs be in the rear yard at any time and that all dogs in the year yard be supervised at all times. This has been reflected in an update to proposed condition number 15. Prior to the 2018 hearing, authorizing the kennel use, staff received 23 letters of support as well as a support petition with 127 signatures. We also received one phone call and three letters of opposition to the request. However, since that hearing, and up until today, staff received 38 letters of support and 22 letters of opposition, all of which are included. Staff recognizes that there are significant concerns with this facility and nuisances on adjacent properties. However, on balance, the Department Finds the project to be compatible with the general plan and recommends approval with the recommended conditions. This recommendation is based upon community support, Previous Commission approval at a hearing in which the rear yard was extensively discussed, and continual monitoring per the conditions of the commission of this pending motion as well as the department of Public Health. Thank you. And im available for any questions you may have. Thank you. Project sponsor. Five minutes. Can we have ten because its a c. U. , and we would like to have them explain it . Well, seven. Seven. Okay. I have a handout too. Representing the project sponsor. So ill speak very briefly about the c. U. That was approved a year ago, and this current c. U. Does not change the physical size or capacity in any way. Although the most, a year ago, most of the discussion we had here was about the year yard and the use of the rear yard, they determined after the hearing that the rear yard is categorized as an Outdoor Activity area and does require a separate c. U. That the prior hearing was not noticed for, and thats why we are here today. A typical n. C. District includes a bistre and retailoriented street with zoning at the same block at the year. That is the case here as well. If you look at overhead, on the overhead, i have a current image of lombard street in front of the business. Not only is lombard street lined up a busy street with three lanes in each direction, you have businesss on both side of the street including a gas station. Theres significant amount of construction going on and with respect to dogs, we also do have neighbors in our rear who also own dogs. The purpose of n. C. Districts is to provide for a wide variety of commercial youings, including neighborhood uses, including neighborhoodserving uses. In a city that has more dogs than kids, kennels provide an extremely necessary service. You had in the record a number of support letters and signatures. What i just handed out to you are additional 32 letters in support that were written since last friday. Including three letters from the residential neighbors who live above the space who would be the most impacted. In terms of the conditions for the use of the rear yard, those were already laid out in the c. U. A year ago. And while that c. U. Did not address the rear yard as an Outdoor Activity area, it absolutely addressed and conditioned the use of the rear yard. So given that, we are going to focus some of our points today on really on the oneyear activity and kind of bring you up to speed as to what has been done and then what has not been done and why. So in your packets and on the overhead, you have this chart. You have this chart that summarizes the conditions of approval. And then it gives an explanation as to what has been implemented and what are the few items that are yet to be done. As was mentioned by staff, we have not yet consulted a noise consultant, and we thought it would be better to do that once the concrete is in place in the rear yard, since thats where i think the noise complaints are coming from. We did not change the turf to concrete, because in order to actually use the rear yard, we need this c. U. For the Outdoor Activity area. The last item is the neighborhood meeting. There have been meetings and discussions with michelle who has been the unofficial representative for some of the concerned neighbors. Theres a meeting with her in early april. Another meeting was scheduled by her late april. It got canceled. But theres been other communication with her. So im going to turn it over to the general manager and the owner of the project to talk a little bit more. Thanks for hearing our case today. My name is earnie, and im the general manager and owner at the grateful dog. All we want to do at the grateful dog is to provide a muchneeded service for our community, taking care of dogs and live harmoniously with our neighbors, residential, commercial, all our neighbors. A lot has happened in the last couple years and it has been very draining on this company and all involved, physically and financially. To summarize our progress in the last year, we have done a lot to address the operational aspects. We want to continue to be Good Neighbors, and we will do what is necessary to accommodate any concerns that may come up from time to time. We have implemented many of the Operational Plan requirements even though our backyard usage has changed. As much as we have done, the reality is there were neighbors who want us gone. Some of the neighbors are here today and want us gone. Thats not going to change. I want to emphasize we have been operating here since 2009. We chose this location because it had an outdoor space. No one opposed us then. All the opposition and complaints started a can you remember years ago when we were forced to apply for a c. U. As if we were a new business. There is a clear pattern of these complaints, an effort to paint the grateful dog in the most negative light. Please keep in mind that we run a dog care business, and just because we have implemented the Operational Action plan steps doesnt mean a neighbor would never hear a dog barking. Most of our immediate neighbors have dogs, and they bark during the day, and guess who gets blamed for their barking. After every complaint that is reported, that i hear about, i always respond, investigate and go over with my staff. We want a peaceful relationship with our neighbors. We want to work with them, and we will do whatever it takes to address and mitigate any issues. What we do and have done is to implement a number of operational steps that minimize any noise and odor concerns. We run a business that is dependent on our customers trusting their dogs in our care. We have been around for over ten years, and we plan on being around for many more. We ask that you approve the rear yard subject to the conditions that were listed in a prior c. U. And accept our oneyear report. Thank you. Hi. Thank you. Im car do. Im the founder of the grateful dog back in 2009. This business means the world to me. And our neighbors have made it really difficult. And i feel like its maybe because we didnt hear from them in 2009, and some of those neighbors resided there then. And so here we are ten years later, and it seems like theres an opportunity to try to get us shut down. Despite everything that earnie has said, i dont think theres a lot that we can do when thats somebodys ultimate objective is to shut down a Small Business. I dont know how much we can do to try to satisfy or appease them. And yes, we can always get better and we are working to get better. Thanks so much. Your time is up. We may have questions for you later. Okay. Seeing the project sponsor is done, Public Comment. Is anyone here to publicly comment on this item . Come on up. My name is dr. Stewart kaplan. Im new to San Francisco. I moved from the east coast, north carolina, about a year ago. I have a dog who is a relatively large lab mix, probably has some pit bull in him, and looks like it. When i walk him down the street, people are nervous seeing him. When he is exercised and well wellrested, he is as quiet and sweet as can be. When hes not, although, i dont think he would be aggressive, he can sound it. He can growl and be scary. He was in doggy day care every day that i had him for five years in north carolina. I never had an issue. When i moved here, i couldnt find a place that he would go to. Well, when i used to drive up to the place in north carolina, he would run out of the car, he would get excited, and he would not want to go home. I tried four other facilities in the city, and he was scared to go the second day. So i crated him at home, because that felt better, and his energy got up and got up and got up. So it was a Public Service to the city. Now that i have found a place that he runs back into, he is again a quiet, peaceful dog that is completely nonthreatening to everybody who sees him. I cant speak to whatever the neighbors have to say, but i know in the short time ive been with them, they have been responsible, they have been good Small Business owners. And i think provide a Huge Community service thats needed in this city. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else for Public Comment . Ive lived in San Francisco for 25 years. Speak into the microphone. My name is dory craig. Ive lived in San Francisco for 25 years. I have had a dog for a year. And when looking for a day care provider and border, it was nearly impossible to find anyone that was affordable and close. I dont have a car. Im a true San Francisco resident. So it made it very challenging. When i found the grateful dog, they were affordable, they were close to my home, and they treat my dog like with all the respect and care. I feel safe with her there. And like this previous gentleman said, sometimes she doesnt want to come home. It really wounds my ego, but she does enjoy being there. I can understand where people would have issue with barking dogs. But that whole neighborhood owns dogs. And there are more dogs in San Francisco than children. If you live next to a school, you dont ask the school to shut down because they are too loud during recess. In addition to that, its a Small Business. Its successful and providing a huge service to people of San Francisco. And i just think it would be a shame to push them out when theyre doing such a huge service for residents. And finally, for the ive heard that people are concerned that their Property Values are going down because of the doggy day care, and i would say that they should look at the sidewalks and know that my dogs not sleeping on them. My dog is not defecating on their front porch either. So thank you. Anyone else for Public Comment . Come on up. Hello. My name is elaina and im here on behalf of the grateful dog. The last three years ive lived directly above them in my apartment with my husband. And im happy to share that weve actually been pleasantly surprised on how great its been living above them as well as our other residents in the apartment building. They have lived there for nine years. And im speaking on behalf of them also. We moved here for work. Before we even chose that neighborhood to live in, we sought out to find whats the best place for a dog, whats the best day care, we are going to be gone so many hours a day. And after speaking with some residents and some research, it became abundantly clear how wellrespected in the community they are. And in the district especially there are dogs everywhere. Almost every friend i have in the marina have a dog. Its a very dogfriendly and active community. And as you have recently heard, you are hearing how important this business is. This neighborhood needs this business. It is not only just a doggy day care, but its a great one. They provide so much care and love, when we drop off my dog when we have family troubles or a late day at work, i dont have to worry about it, and it is such a relief. I want to discuss concerns about the location and noise. So regarding the disturbance, theres a few things we questioned before moving in, would it be too loud when we are at home spending time, would this be bothersome, would it smell. And we were pleasantly surprised at the outcome. I see them constantly cleaning and performing maintenance on this place. Im in there every day. I can see them doing. We have become friends with them. They are our neighbors, you know . And as well, we dont really smell anything. Theres no wet dog smell or any issue. And we live directly above, and we have the same address and everything our mail goes to there. And also we dont have a problem with noise, even so much so that when people come over, they cant believe we have a doggy today care below. We tell them every time. Further like they were saying before, we live in a city that has construction on lombard. You can hear cars driving and motorcycles driving. Its a busy area. But it comes with the turf. And although i do understand the concerns, even if its not those dogs barking, its aa dog five doors down. So i really consider to be lucky to have them as neighbors. And they have held quite a reputation in the marina, and it takes time to do that where people can have such great things to say and be so trusting. Thank you. Anyone else for Public Comment on this item . Yes, im with the Southeast Asian community center. And we are a Small Business Assistance Center in San Francisco. We have been doing this for over 20 years actually. The grateful dog and carla has been our client now for over ten years. And we did help them get started in the beginning. Weve been working with them for over a tenyear period. And seeing how successful they have become over the years, they offer an Excellent Service in the area and a veryneeded service. And as you know and many people have said here, there are so many dogs in this city. And there is a need for these kinds of services, especially in their particular area. So i want to voice my support for the grateful dog and car do and hopefully the carla, and hopefully the committee will approve. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else for Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner fung. Question for the applicant. The beginning of your presentation, your attorney indicated that you are going to discuss why some of these conditions were not maintained. I didnt hear any explanation. Maybe i could briefly recap. So one of the conditions was to change the artificial turf thats currently in the rear yard into concrete and install a concrete barrier at the edge. We did not do that one yet, because that is in the rear yard. Lets deal with the two issues that are the most prevalent from the opposition. One is noise. One is sanitation. Lets deal with the noise. Why wasnt the sound study done . So because we have not yet changed the turf into concrete. Because i think the noise concerns were not coming from the building. So the windows to the building, the doors to the building are kept shut, so noise is not a concern coming from the building. Its the noise from the rear yard. And i think once we have the concrete in place, i think that is, we felt, the more appropriate time for the noise consultant to opine on the additional things that should be done. Im not sure what i heard from the opposition that the noise is also coming from within the building. Some of the mitigation measures we had last year was to make sure that the windows are shut, the doors are shut during the Business Hours so the noise is confined, and that has been implemented. All right. Then the question is do you folks dispute that theres noise supposedly affecting some of your neighbors . I dont think theres a lot of noise coming out of our facility, because the back door is usually always closed except for when we are going out thats not my question. My question is do you dispute that the neighbors who have complained about noise is hearing the noise from the building . I dispute a lot of their claims, yes. Commissioner diamond. Question for counsel. Why didnt your client allow for the backyard to be inspected . And the fact that they said that theres a liability issue is not really a satisfactory answer, because it was a condition. So i need to know why you didnt figure out a way to solve that. So the visits that were done by staff were unannounced so we dont know about them ahead of time. There is, and i think carla can speak to it more, but there is a liability of letting people into the main area inside where the dogs are free. They are not in cages. They are free in the floor. So theres a liability. But what we can do is if they decide to visit the rear yard, we can provide access through the upstairs neighbor so the person doesnt have to go through the main floor. But thats my understanding. Can you speak into the microphone . We have to give them notification. As a matter of fact elena, she is the one who i would have to get in touch with, and she would go downstairs and unlock the door. Its always locked for security reasons. Before i ask a question on that issue to staff, i would like to know why you didnt hold the neighborhood meeting . We did. We had one meeting in april, and we had another one scheduled. And michelle wool canceled it. She said there was nothing to cover. And then we had a liaison, bruce bedroomen, who was in charge of that, and bruce berman, who was in charge of that, he tried to rally up another meeting, and they didnt have any interest on that. Can i ask two questions to staff . I can clarify too a little bit. It wasnt a noticed neighborhood meeting as i think the Planning Department typically expects. So we can certainly do that. It was a meeting with michelle wool who was the main representative for some of the concerned neighbors. Okay. Thank you. Staff, i have questions for you. When the conditions were put in place last year, was it your expectation there would be unannounced visits to the rear yard . Mine . Yeah, staff. Well, its written that way in the motion. It says, so if i announced them i would not be adhering to the motion. And says here that they didnt meet the condition about a neighborhood meeting. They are saying they had one. Yeah. Any meetings that happened, i dont know about them. The meeting that was put in place by the condition said that staff should attend. I dont think it says anything about notification so meetings may have occurred but a meeting specifically that satisfies that condition that says attended by staff was not held. Another followup question, which is what is the enforcement right of the Planning Department, assuming we go forward, if we go forward, does the Planning Department and also the department of Public Health have the right to go back and do inspections and shut them down if they are not in compliance with the conditions . Well, i can speak only to Planning Departments enforcement requirements, basically any condition of any motion must be enforced. But are you required you had a oneyear inspection rule. Are you suggesting additional inspections be carried out on a regular basis . Im suggesting nothing other than the conditions that are proposed here. And they dont require that at the moment, is that correct . No ongoing inspections by the Planning Department to ensure thats not whats before you. Correct. If you have other conditions that you would like to place upon it, thats your prerogative, is my understanding. Going back to your original question, basically our Enforcement Team handles not just Building Permit issues, building beyond the scope but also conditions of approval. If any of those conditions are not met, then enforcement staff will helicopter to work on that. Theres an enforcement planner who has been assigned to this case for quite a while, and we have been in constant communication so make sure they are working towards adhering to all conditions. One of those conditions would be getting the Outdoor Activity area certified, which they are seeking to do today. Thank you. Ill say to the other commissioners, i wasnt here a year ago when this was approved. I believe there is a need for more dog facilities in the city. I own a dog and probably a number of us own dogs and want to be able to accommodate dogs. But im really troubled by the fact that they didnt comply with two conditions that exist already. And i personal at the moment would be in favor of continuing this until they comply with the exact language of those conditions. Assuming they do that and staff comes back and tells us, maybe that would change the nature of staffs conditions if they actually held the neighborhood meeting that staff attended and actually saw the backyard. And i dont feel at the moment, prepared to make a decision until theres full compliance with those conditions. And on top of that, assuming we get there, i would like to see a condition that has periodic inspections at least for a while afterwards so we can make sure that they can, once the noise is taken care of, and the concrete is in place, to see actually whether or not its working. But thats just what im thinking at the moment, but i would love to hear from the rest of you in terms of where your views are. Commissioner fung. Another question for staff. It was similar to the question i asked the applicant. But when i read the condition about the sound testing, it was to the premises, not related to the yard. Sorry. Yeah. Is mine on . Yeah. When i read the condition for the sound test, and it applied to the building, i believe. As part of the original conditional use. And so the applicant is saying that they are going to do the sound test after the turf is in the rear yard is changed. Well, that has nothing to do with the sound prevention from the building. Is that not correct . Ill refer specifically to the language of the motion. So that would be condition number 19, which reads, let me see, the project sponsor shall consult a licensed sound jeer to determine best practice of noise abatement concerns and shall implement any methods recommended by the sound engineer. The premises, so i guess maybe your definition of premises. The premises shall be adequately insulated for noise so the noise shall not be audible beyond the premises. I dont think its my interpretation of the word premises. Its your condition. As far as you know, then, they had the one meeting but no mitigations were discussed between the project sponsor and the neighbors . If meetings occurred outside my knowledge, i cant speak to it you are not aware of any . Correct. Ive heard what the sponsors told me today which is that they met and tried to discuss issues and whatever the outcomes of those were was the outcome. Just to conclude my comments, im also not supportive at this point. Based upon the fact that if there is noise in a facility and its bothersome to some potentially, the generator of that noise in their Business Needs to take care of that within their own facility. Commissioner moore. Were you the planner last year on this project say that once more. Were you the planner last year of this project . Ive been the planner since the beginning of the project, yeah. For those commissioners who were not around last year, it was an extremely contentious meeting as you will recall. The opposing party is not here, but that does not make me not remember how controversial the meeting was. One of the reasons why its controversial is this commission very much supports Small Business, and particularly the lombard corridor. However, the adjoining residential neighborhood, as you move up towards the south, is all residential. Its high on residential, they live pretty much right on top of this small open yard which is in question. The noise issue is a matter of personal sensitivity. And even one dog barking too many hours in an apartment during the day can be of great annoyance to one person. In this particular case, we had an entire Representative Group of adjoining neighbors coming and saying they just could not really envision having multiple dogs barking out there, and dogs not necessarily bark but they do. And when we speak about Outdoor Activity areas, for example, an outdoor sitting area for restaurant or bar, we always are very, very careful in order to find appropriate noise attenuation members or not permit it at all depending how close residential is nearby. Im on the fence on this one. I was not really supporting outdoor at that time either. I support the operation as an indoor facility with the proper noise provisions. But just as my fellow commissioners here to my right, at this moment, i am not in support of this being permitted for an extra outdoor area. Particularly i believe that the concrete surface for this particular rear yard is not the appropriate measure adjoining to other outdoor open spaces for residential use. Seeing as that there is very high demand for these businesses in this location, i would be supportive of denial. Im leaping toward supporting but would be okay with the continuance. Commissioner imperial. Incidence i was not here and opposition are not here. But i am support this Small Businesses as well. But i would like to see as well as like a plan for more consistent inspection and to have Community Meeting, it would be great to have a planner to be in that Community Meeting so that you can also give us that kind of feedback when you return as to what has inspired. So i would support in continuing this item as well. A motion . Commissioner johnson i will make a motion. I agree with my fellow commissioners. I think not having met many of the conditions gives us pause. I think the benefit of meeting with the holding a Community Meeting as well is that i think some of us are on the fence about whether or not this Outdoor Activity is actually a good use in this space. So understanding what mitigations you might be willing to put in place with Community Members or other things you might do to operate outside with your dogs is important to us in helping us make a determination. So with that, i will move to continue this item. Second. Do you have a clarification before you do that. Does your motion also for continuance, can it be amended to include the unannounced inspection of the backyard . Absolutely. That was the original condition, so i would like to see them do that. I dont know if commissioner im in agreement with commissioner fungs condition about the study on the premises that currently exist. Thank you for helping me be more specific. I think what were looking for is a Community Meeting held. A sound engineer around the interior of the building. And also an inspection which will be unannounced by nature of the inspection. Of the outside area. The outside area as well. Thank you. Then i second that. Or there already was. I seconded it. Is that amendable . You mentioned there were restrictions on allowing that inspection, correct . Can you elaborate on that . Yeah. I think you need to work with the Insurance Company to figure out. Well, i can probably make that happen. I can probably it is for the safety of the inspector, with dogs. I would get a key from one of our neighbors upstairs and always have it there accessible so any time an inspector came in, i could take them straight upstairs, and he wouldnt have to walk through the pit area and be exposed to the dogs. Right. No problem. Can i clarify on what the motion is . Is the motion to approve the c. U. Subsequent to the continuing . No. So heres my question. Are you requiring them to do the rear yard improvements without the right to use the rear yard . Clarify on that. Yeah. Come on up, staff. From my understanding, im not there every day. To my understanding, they are not permitted to use the rear yard now. From what we have been told, they are not using the rear yard. I will adhere to any motion that requires inspection, but i think what they are trying to say, and i maybe need to clarify, is i mean, i can inspect the rear yard, but my understanding is there wont be any dogs there, which is fine, im happy to do that nonetheless. I just wanted to clarify what that is from my understanding. Unannounced inspection, it maybe to confirm that there are no dogs in the rear yard. Also id like planning staff to see the rear yard, because it may be that once they are there, and they see where the windows are that they may come up with additional suggestions for conditions. So i still think its beneficial. Did you have a time frame for the continuance, commissioner . Seems like they have a lot of work to do ahead of them. Do you have a suggestion . As soon as they can excuse me. As soon as they can do it. I dont want to continue this on some arbitrary number. They are anxious to get going, so how fast do you think you can satisfy the conditions . Come on up. Im at the point where its difficult for us to stay open in San Francisco. We have been serving thousands of clients for the better part of the decade, and this cost us hundreds and thousands of dollars. We are at the point of bankrupting the business. We are doing the best we can. Theres a need for the business. We are losing clients and we are losing staff because we are getting harassed by neighbors. The corridor is really loud. So we could bring an acoustical engineer. Ive worked for one of those companies before. We are happy to have someone come out but we are not the only noise in the neighborhood. Its commercial lombard corridor. Its highway one. We are getting beat up because of the noise but nobody is thinking about the fact that theres a lot of noise, and we are not the only dog. Im so tired of how much work weve done on this and how hard it was for us to open in 2009, and we keep getting put through the ringer, and im sorry, but i just cant stay in San Francisco anymore if this is going to continue to happen to us. We need use of the rear yard. Weve lost so much on this already so the neighbors can be happy about that because they want us shut down ultimately. Having a meeting with them, i dont know how much thats going to help. Because they want us shut down. Theres nothing we can do to appease them. Okay. Thank you. I believe in experience, acoustical engineer can judge on the levels of noise, depending on use, not on this very specifics of the facility. I do think that commissioner fungs request to also reflect on the noise coming from the interior is equally important, but that cant be done without the rear yard being fully built out. So i personally would suggest we give this four to sixweeks if you can do it earlier, that would be fine but having also meeting is obviously something you need to prepare for. Given the nature of the meeting, i think actually giving them a couple of months just with schedules and things like that would feel a little bit better. But again agreed that dont want to drag this out longer. The urgency. April 23rd. Yeah. Do you have a comment . April 23rd was the continuance. I mean, i think what are we now . March i think we can probably do it a little bit sooner. Clarification that we need to be done again. I think just from being here, they want just another, like, outline of what needs to be done. Then they would have a better idea. The commission in their motion made it explicit. Compliance and adherence to the original conditions of approval. They have attended noticed Community Meeting. That was part of the original conditions of approval. Correct. Im explaining. Things that have not been done to date commissioner diamond. So we have two times when we are not meeting between now and april 23. So i want to make sure that theres room on the agenda, to do it before april 23. There really isnt unless we do march 19 which i dont believe theres enough time. April 23 then. Very good, commissioners on that motion to continue this matter to april 23 with direction for the project sponsor so adhere to the original conditions of approval, [roll call vote] so moved, that motion passes unanimously 60. Commissioners that will place us under your discretionary review calendar, item 15a was withdrawn and 15b was continued places us on item 16 for case number 201913012drp02 at 621 11th avenue. Good afternoon, commissioners. David winslow, staff architect. The item is a public initiated request for a discretionary review of Building Permit application 20190613. 3354 to construct a second story horizontal rear addition of 12. side setback to the north and of side setback to the south along with a first floor horizontal rear addition that extends 8 10s beyond the first floor and the 4 side setback to the north of 621 11th ann. There are two d. R. Requesters. Kevin wong, the adjacent neighbor to the south and chao of 619 11th avenue, neighbor to the north. They are concerned the proposed project violates the residential Design Guidelines related to neighborhood character, light, air, privacy and scale and access to the midblock open space. The proposed alternatives are to reduce the extension of the second floor by three to five feet, stagger the windows facing their properties and make the sidewalls to the deck transparent. To date, department has received no letters in support or in opposition to the project. Because the extent configuration of the proposed rear addition including the four foot and six foot side set backs, echoes the pattern of massing found on the two adjacent properties that preserves access to the midblock open space, light, air and privacy, staffs recommendation is to not take d. R. And as the project does not present any exceptional or extraordinary conditions. This concludes my presentation. And im happy to answer questions. Thanks. Thank you, mr. Winslow. So we have two d. R. Requesters. We are going to hear from d. R. Requester number one first. Come on up. Is that on . Sf gov, can you go to the overhead, please . Good afternoon, commissioners. I hope you are well. My name is kevin wong and my wife and two sons, 11 and nine, live at 625 11th avenue. We are the south neighbor to the proposed project. We have lived there since june of 2011. Before i begin, i would like to acknowledge that we have enjoyed being the neighbors. They are good people. But the past years, we have been their neighbors and we hope they dont take this process personally. We understand that regardless of the outcome, our hope is they see us in the same vain as we see them. We truly value being Good Neighbors. We believe in being considerate, conscientious and communicative in building Good Relationships. We wish we did not have to take your time in this matter. But despite this sponsors good character, their actions have shown zero consideration and next to nothing in regards to communication while drafting this project. I say extremely disappointing that the sponsor and their architect refuse to discuss the project with us. I have seen this department and commission prohibit projects from moving forward for approval until the owner tries to at least listen or work with their neighbors. In this case, we are attempting to sit down with the sponsors to voice concerns about the project. And each time the sponsors and their team have either denied the request or ignored them. When we first saw the plans, we were concerned that the plans may not have been accurate. Submittal did not show windows on the north side of our property. We requested the adjacent building be shown accurately so we can understand the impact of this project. We have asked the owners to provide three renderings of the light and shadow studies so the impact can be better understood. I have seen many projects from this commission provide this information to neighbors when requested. In fact when we did our remodel, a light and shadow study was provided, reflecting our attempt to be considerate to those around us. Despite the refusal of any discussion about this project with us, we believe there are exceptional circumstances that would deem this condition to take d. R. The residential Design Guidelines and planning code require that light is maintained to adjacent propertys and consider the impact an expansion has on light and privacy for structures. The volume of the project shall reduce our light and privacy and specifically will box in the rear of our second floor where our family and i spend most of our time. This is the main gathering space for us and contains our desk which my wife and i use daily since we work from home. In addition, our sons in the afternoon spend most their time in this room, basking in the westerly day light, reading books and doing homework. The decks will look straight into the windows of the properties on either side, reducing privacy. We are not trying to stop them from building and developing their home. Their current proposal creating a large Family Structure with nearly 4,300 square feet. Given this amount of Square Footage, we believe this is an opportunity to make minor changes that will help minimize impact to our light and privacy. The sponsor refused to talk to us. We would have the commission to have the extension match ours. This would reduce their current extension by three feet which is a 75 square feet reduction to their proposed project. We would also like the sidewalls of the deck to be cable railing or glass to further preserve our light. We would like to request the windows on the south side on the second floor be staggered to preserve privacy. As you can see from the exhibit, it creates a visual highway into each others homes. This element of design is a lack of thoughtfulness while taking away our privacy. We feel these three items are minor alterations and had they been willing to show an ounce of consideration, a little bit of Community Spirit and openness to dialogue as Good Neighbors do, we felt we could have reached a compromise to satisfy all parties involved and avoid taking your time. However, since we cannot force the owner to speak to us about what we believe are reasonable concerns and requests, we respectfully ask this commission to take d. R. And include these minor modifications. Thank you. Thank you. Now we are going to hear from d. R. Requester number two. Come on up. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is chao. I have been living at 11th avenue since 1992 with my wife and daughter. This is my first time here. So please excuse my accent. When we were first notified about this project where there was no date or time for the required preapp meeting, we have been able to obtain, but it was giving little detail of the project and promised by the architect to follow up which never occurred. We had a time, numerous time to walk with the owner and architect only to be ignored. We had a time to relayout comes about inaccurate plans as we know that most of the work done to this home in the past was done without a permit, without waiting for the permit for plans. We are concerned about the order Property Line windows. We are also impressed with plannings effort to have us meet to reach a compromise and given mr. David winslow open gate for the meeting. Once again, the project sponsor refused. So, commissioners, we have left with no choice but to file d. R. We are simply asking for the following items. One, accurate showing of all windows on the property. We believe this will provide a better understanding of the impact that this extension has to our light. Two, new windows on this project should be staggered so that it does not look into our windows, thereby affecting our privacy and light. Three, any vertical part of the deck should be either rail or glass to further minimize any impact to our light. Four, scale back this proposed secondfloor extension by five feet to minimize the impact to our light so we can see in this photo. We have little light. Which would be totally lost in this living room. We are supportive of the project sponsor renovating their home. We are also concerned with the impact to our daughter, my 36yearold daughter is autistic the and living with us. She spends most her time in the living room which would be most affected by this project. She does not allow she loves the sunshine. She not only love the sunshine in the living room but also her Disability Access to light is necessary to her health. We are surprised that the Planning Department and this commission would approve a project where the project sponsor refused to discuss the project with adjacent neighbors. Any application to accommodate to serious concern to light and privacy. We ourselves made numerous changes to our home renovated to accommodate mr. Mcclaire by eliminating our deck and decrease the size of window because he wants to see the open space of our backyard. The owner was a without any consideration to adjacent neighbors. There were other San Francisco property to minimize impact to the adjacent neighbors light and privacy. Commissioners, the proposed project does not even attempt to minimize impact on light and privacy to adjacent properties. The project sponsor is seeking to build a large singlefamily home nearly 4,300 square feet. We have heard about numerous projects that would not only makeling minor modification or accommodate neighbor concern but also including an a. D. U. , other changes to ensure that the project is consistent with the citys housing policy. And all direction to work with others neighbors. We respectfully request that the commission take a discretionary review and incorporate the minor modifications which will still result in a home over 4,200 square feet. Thank you very much for the attention. Thank you very much. Now we will take any Public Comment in support of the d. R. Requesters opposed to the project. Okay. Seeing none, project sponsor, your turn. Good afternoon, commissioners and mr. Winslow. I am jim mccare and my wife mary and i are the owners of 621 11th avenue. We have lived there for 37 years. We have always had a Good Relationship with our neighbors, including the chens to the north and wongs to the south. These are the two neighbors that are requesting the d. R. Application. These two neighbors have extended their houses in a way that is very close to what we are proposing. When the chens added on years ago we were not happy with the amount of light and view we lost but at that time we thought this is what the city is allowing, the planning and we will just have to get used to it. We also thought at some point that we might do a similar project. A few years ago, kevin wong at 625 did a similar addition and resulted in the same situation, blocked light and view to our house. And again, we did not interfere with this project. Now it is time for us to add onto our house. Our daughter and soninlaw and grandchild live with us. They work in the city, and Everybody Knows what housing in the city is like. For this reason, we want to maximize our allowable space at our house. We were very surprised when these two neighbors objected to our plans since we felt they already did what we planned to do, and we felt our plans were reasonable. The size of our second floor additions extends a little further than the wongs addition but less than the chens addition and is narrower than both. Our setback is four on the north which is less than their setbacks to our house. We feel our plans are very reasonable, and thats what i we did not want to change them, and we felt like what is there for them to do should be fair for us to do. So i would like to show a few pictures. So this is the relationship between the three houses. You are going to have to pull that microphone over and speak into it. Their houses are outlined in red. As you can see, the 619 is about three feet from our Property Line, we would be four feet from theirs. And kevin wongs is four feet, while we would be six feet. Ours is outlined in the green. Its a little further out than him but not nearly as far out as theirs. If we cut back five feet, we would be nine feet back from where they are right now. As far as the Square Footage they mentioned our house is about 2500 now and we are going to be putting on around 700 so thats not 4,000 feet like what they were saying. This picture is actually from the chens application, and it shows the relationship of the three houses where they state our house is out of character with the neighborhood. I would say that the picture of our house in the middle fits in quite well with the houses on either side of it. This right here is a picture from my roof looking down at the chens addition on the righthand side over here. Our addition is going to mirror our deck right here. So you can see the difference in size and what we are adding on to the second floor. This is another picture of the chens house next to us and our deck, the size that we are going to add on. As you can see, this is the size of our addition again, same thing. We are going to add on the size of our deck right here. Theres a lot of room between our house and the wongs house to the south. Theres at least ten feet right there. This is the wongs addition. Its a beautiful addition. And our lower floor will be the very similar to his, sticking out below the fence line. And our second floor will be the same height as theirs. We will be narrower because we couldnt go all the way to the Property Line on that side. This is a view of the wongs house looking out of our dining room window. You can see the addition comes right to here that they added on. It does block some of our light and view from that side. And this is what we look at every day out of our kitchen window is the the chens side. The windows they are worried about are back in here so partly are blocked by their stairway. So we know they want us to change the size of our building, but i feel like our plans are very reasonable, and i actually talked to kevin wong about that before, and if you remember seeing my response, i address the thing about the window. I said we would put fogged or ribbed glass in so we wouldnt be looking into his house. We really dont want to do that anyway. So we just, we feel like it was fair for them to do, should be fair for us to do. Thats why, you know, we knew they wanted us to knock a lot of space off, but we felt like we wanted to pursue the plans the way they were drawn up and approved. So thats it. Thank you. So you have four minutes left. If theres someone that lives in the same house as you, now would be their same time to speak. Otherwise theyll be called up as Public Comment later. I think weve said it all. You know, not meeting with them is just because they knew what we wanted to do, and they knew we felt like it was fair so why would we want to chop five feet off when theyre already almost four feet past us. And talking about how much Square Footage, thats not even true. And we will have you back up here for a twominute rebuttal if you want too. If theres anyone from the public in support of the project sponsor in favor of the project, now is your time to speak. Okay. Seeing none, the d. R. Requesters, you each have a twominute rebuttal. Thank you, commissioners. So some of the ideas, on the plans themselves, to say that will house will be 4,287 square feet. So theres the discrepancy, its not being reflected in the plans that should be accurately drawn. Second of all, in terms of the character, youll see that on the foes he presented photos he presented, desid i did have cable railing as well as the i did have cable railing as well as the neighbors twodoors down have cable railing. He mentioned having ribbed glass but those are temporary solutions. Those are areas where the windows could be easily replaced to be clear from another owner, so we aring for something more we are looking for something more permanent to preeve our privacy. The preserve our privacy. The other thing is theres no objection to the building of the property. We just want to ask for modifications. The fact that we couldnt sit down, as you can see, they felt they had the right to do whatever they wanted to do. We felt thats not very communityspirited as well as not consistent with the Planning Commissions guidelines for building. And again, we havent seen if there were going to be ribbed glass or fogged glass, there werent any modifications shown in the submitted plans that were provided. So that is all. Thank you for your time. D. R. Requester number two, you have a twominute rebuttal. Thank you, commissioners. I dont think because he say on the application that you can see the 4,000 feet. You look there. The extension the building to where the current deck is, in addition to extension of those severely impact my light and the entire rail portion, my building. Okay, you can see that from this. And the extension here, this is the extension to the house. Almost equal to my house. In addition to what they say. You can look at the back. Because they are sitting on the top of the hill. Five feet above us. So you can see the back of this, the extension here, totally out of my house. So blocking our light completely. So the neighbor deck transparent or glass. Theres no deck that can close a solid wall. You can see the deck is enclosed. Looks like a building out front. So totally no light goes through. So i dont think hes talking about is correct description if you look at it, their plan. Okay. Thats all my, the end of concern about this. Thank you. Thank you. Project sponsor, you now have a twominute rebuttal as well. I still dont get where they are getting the 4,000 feet. But anyway. The walls we would like to put on the deck, on the side of the deck, would be similar to this, obviously. The microphone on the end, we were planning to have, it shows in our plans having a wire thing. But on the sides we feel like we would like to have the walls with the siding that matches our house to keep some privacy between their deck and our deck. I mean, their deck has the wire on the side. If we are sitting on our deck. So that kind of keeps things separate as far as we are concerned. I dont think thats a major thing because where his windows are would be looking over the deck. And the deck is at the ground level. Its not up at the second level where the addition is going to be. So anyway. Like i say, they extended out way past us. We have had to get used to that gigantic addition where they put their stairs out to the side. Weve lived with that for 12 years. And we just had to get used to it. Thats just what we figured in life. So we dont feel like our plans are unreasonable at all. We would like to pursue them the way they are. So thats about it. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes the Public Comment portion of this item. Ill just start off by saying im in favor of staffs recommendations and really think that this addition is smaller than the two on either sides of you. Commissioner diamond. Im also in favor of staffs recommendation. I didnt hear any description of exceptional or extraordinary circumstances that in my opinion would justify taking d. R. Commissioner moore. I believe that the applicant is showing the modulation that is very much reflective of whats to the left and to the right, to the north and south, and i could not see anything exceptional or extraordinary myself either. I make a motion to approve. Second. Seeing nothing further theres a motion that has been seconded to not take d. R. And approve the project as proposed. On that motion[roll call vote] so moved. That motion passes unanimously 60. Places on us item 17 for case number 20177931drp02, 2630 divisadero street. Discretionary review. Good afternoon. David winslow, staff architect. The item is a public request for discretionary review of Building Permit 20190613. 3554 to demolish a threestory Single Family dwelling and construct a new threestory, 7700 square foot singlefamily dwelling. The proposed new building will be three feet shorter than the new building as it will have a flat roof, above which 720square foot roof deck is proposed. There are two d. R. Requesters. Laura and raphael of 2673 broad way and cindy of 2682 broad way. Both parties are adjacent neighbors to the south. She is concerned the proposed additional is not articulated to reduce impacts to privacy and light. The rear is not compatible with the scale at the midblock open space. The roof deck impacts privacy and violates an existing view and that the noise from the roof equipment will be excessive. The proposed alternatives are to confine the project to the footprint, and to eliminate the proposed roof deck. She is concerned about noise due to mechanical roof equipment as well, nighttime litem nateing from the skylight and privacy light emanating from the skylight and privacy. Her proposed alternatives are to reduce the size of the roof deck and limit the usable area to the east of the skylight, reduce and provide coverage of the skylight, relocate rooftop mechanical equipment and reduce the massing at the southeast corner. To date, the department has received no letters in support nor letters in opposition. Staffs recommendation is to take the d. R. And approve the project with the following modification to reduce the massing at the southeast corner, at the third floor, the original line of the rear wall, the bay projections, provide an adequate notch that allows for midblock open space and light to ms. Yus property in particular. This concludes my presentation. Im happy to take questions. We will hear from d. R. Requester number one. I have some documents. [please stand by] cindy was fair and you would expect a Good Neighbor to be. They have asked for mitigation of mechanical noise and line of sight and mitigation of personal mitigation of the skylight and they, as well as the solar panels and low profile brackets for which we thank them, they have been inflection able with respect to the rear yard massing and roof deck. The mass of skylight is a pollution concern but with respect to the roof deck, the proposal is massive. Its a thousand square feet and it covers almost the entire roof, the deck would be close to lauren and rafaels home and the window into the main living area would be 15 or less feet away. It would have a negative impact on their privacy as the deck would have direct line of sight into their main living area and would create significant Light Pollution and rooftop clutter. Further, this deck, which exhibits many features such as cooking and storage facilities, is meant to be a party deck with an intensity of use out of charter with the neighborhood. It presents noise concerns and an unreasonable imposition on neighbors in general. Therefore, we ask the roof deck be denied in full and the rear yard massing be consistent within a used position and confined at the second and thirdstorey of the project southeast corner to the current building envelope. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Lets hear from d. R. Requester number 2. Sf gov will go to it when you start speaking. Ok. Hi, good afternoon commissioners, david, and hello everybody. My name is cindy yu and i live at 2682 broadway and my house is directly perpendicular to the project sponsors house. Im showing you a diagram of hoe looking down on their house and its kind of exactly like how you are looking at this, my hitech demonstration right here. I built this myself yesterday because i thought it would best and most efficiently explain my concerns. So, the viewpoint where you are sitting is where my house is. This is the project sponsors house as it currently is. With its current footprint. The new proposal that they plan to have is to build out a rear extension such as this. So, in essence, this is what im going to be looking at. The lines you see here from this loin to this line is the current width of my house. My house right set up above to this and my direct line of sight. I do understand that planning has suggested and made a recommendation that you will approve this house with the modification. Modification being that this part is removed and this part is going to be the new proposed plan according to modification recommended by planning. To me, this doesnt serve the purpose. I know you are all vested with why this discretionary power to deny and grant permits. Im not asking you to deny it. Im asking you for a chance to look at this from my point of view and i also fall under the am bid of your power to protect my power with my access to mid block open space. Thats what im asking. So for me, the best scenario is they can maintain the current footprint leaving their existing open balcony on the third floor open but extend first, second flor floor, in the back on the lower floors. To me, i feel this is effective because it essentially protects and up holds this section which is my only access to mid block open space. My building is odd because im sandwiches between two houses on both sides with non confirming, which are no non conforming structures. I dont have open space on this side at all because lauras building is right here. This is my only slit for air light. This is my only access to mid block open space. By just enclosing this and cutting this notch out, it doesnt really relief the light her tailment and i want to bring to you the attention of what the Planning Commission did about 20 years ago. My house is my whole block went through demolition and construction. I went through remodeling adjacent to my house, we went through demolition and remodeling. So planning has ruled that my neighbor here, oops, my neighbor here, they wanted to push the back rear to this line. Planning has ruled, because of the exceptional and extraordinary circumstances of restricted space in the back. Leaving me with only this mass of open space, for light and air, that they had asked them to move the line back to be flush with my building. I ask you to uphold the ruling that you did 20 years ago and protect that little con constrid space in the back. Thank you. Well take Public Comment from members of the public in support of the d. R. Requesters in support of the project. Seeing none, the project sponsor. You are up. Good afternoon, commissioners, jody knight. On behalf of project sponsors tella and thomas. Were here today on a project that we think is compatible with the surrounding buildings and reasonable for the site. As you hear when you hear about the design, although, theres Square Footage being added only 469 feet is above grade because every effort has been made to minimize any impacts. Weve had many discussions with the project and we had followup conversations and unfortunately were here today. A few issues that were working with the dr requesters regardless of any other outcome in terms of the sky light issues related to the mechanic als and solar panels and were working with the dr requesters on that and theyre just goodneighbor issues and well continue to work on that. The house is designed to be built below that easement. The dr request that people on the roof violates its an object on the roof that violatesment. We did think theres legal merit to that but it may be a question for a judge for another day. Its not a question for the commissioners here. I will now pass this off to jim westover who will present the design and we have questions and thank you for your time today. Good afternoon, this is Dustin Foster and im jim. This first image we will start with is an areaal view to give you context. Our clients house is outlined in red and. The main takeaway is the two houses are up the hill from us and theyre top two levels and theyre roof deck do look directly over our project so i dont think theres an issue with light and air. Also theres no blocking of direct sunlight just ambient sunlight and well go into more detail on that. The next i am age is a front elevation in relation to the u residents. The blue dash line is showing the existing profile. And i think were showing here is were expanding the profile in this view and were adding throw feet at the side and its occurring next to the other house on the corner and it was not one of the dr requesters. Were increasing, were not increasing the roof height but we have a railing that increases the over all height by 14 inches. The other thing we want to know is the u residents does have a 25foot rear yard so if i look at this theres access to light air and mid block open space. The next exhibit one other thing i also want to. This is looking at the back of our clients house in relation to the residents. The blue dash line is the existing profile and weve stepped it back to address concerns and this dark line is showing the rear wall and a hatched section and that setback five foot eight and theres another line that you will see. Its at the front of the house so that doesnt occur adjacent to the dr requestors. Since the residents abuts our rear yard its important to note were not blocking any light or access to midblock open space. The concern there is really just privacy. So well talk about that in a second. This is the south elevation so this is what the d. R. Requesters are looking at. The big takeaway is most of the area being added is a new basement. The existing first floor shown in green on the side facing the dr is below grade and below the fence. Were looking at the green and blue area where were adding 46. The next one is the third there were plan which is the top floor plan on this project. The original in blue and the original design was in red so that complied with the planning code but there were concerns from the neighbors and rdat about the visual connection to mid block open space. Since that meeting, with the neighbors and at the rtat we have setback the notch at the top two levels throw feet. There was a concern about no light coming in and if we look at the corner house on this image, which is 2690 broadway its a one story gorge so theres afternoon light coming in that yard. On our roof plan, we do have a small backyard in shade. We have proposed a roof deck to get access to sunlight and enjoy the same views that are enjoyed by the dr requesters. The area is about 750 square feet. Its set away from the dr requestors and its setback 16. 2 from the bay window and 39foot four from the yu residents. Again, the massing is setback at the corner so theres still some visual connection from the yu residents. As recommended by david winslow, we also offered to move this rear wall back that setback 58. They were offering to move it all the way back to its existing location at the third floor but that was rejected by the neighbors. We also understand that the current staff report is recommending making this same change at the second and third floors and if we are required to make that change, we would request that it be at the third floor. The reason for that is if we switch to the next exhibit, what you will see is that the second flor, which we like to keep as proposed is at the basement level of yu level. So at the first floor where the bedrooms are and all the floors above that theyre not going to be effected by that. The other things we want to note here is the relative height difference and ms. Yu favorite us photographs we used from our home so we did before and after exhibits when we met with her. And i think these are instructed what were seeing on the left is the before image with the house in pink. You can see the view, access to open space or to public mid block open space and a view of alcatraz. If the proposed version, we still have light and air. Weve reduced the view to mid block open space but it still occurs to the right of that post and theres also still a view of alcatraz. Private views arent protected and it was mentioned by the neighbors when we met with them so we wanted to show we were trying to preserve that. This next one is going up one flor in the yu residents. This is her living room. You see our clients house in pink and then to the right, you are seeing the new project and this demonstrates theres essentially no difference in view, light or air from this level. And at the mess inine level theyre up one there were. This is where theres a privacy issue the thing to note is theres an existing balcony that i would think already presents what they might consider a privacy issue in the new scheme, the roof deck is actually going to be setback a little bit so i think any privacy concerns are really no change from exiting to proposed and again in terms of light, air and that kind of thing theres no impact whatsoever. How are we doing on time . I think that concludes our presentation. Are there any questions . If theres any members of the public that want to testify in support of the project sponsor, now is the time. Seeing none. The dr requestors you each get a twominute rebuttal. Laura will give the rebuttal we are happy to answer questions afterwards. Hi, thank you all for listening today. I just want to keep it chick. Privacy is a really big issue for us because we do live in that non confirming house. One of them that cindy mentioned they were nice to rearrange it to be slightly further away so we appreciate that. But theres such a closeness there that we are really concerned about the privacy on our main living space. The houses were designed. All of the houses on that block were designed with contractual agreements that impact the way the house was designed and the way it was lived in and when we rebuilt, basically the kitchen and the living space are on a floor to take advantage of light and views absolutely but its also just that main living area and theres an expectation that you have that privacy that came with those deeds and. I just want to get those out. Time is up many of. You are welcome. And dr requester number 2, you have two minutes. Ok. Thank you for listening to me. Id like to show you a little drawing that i it again. I am only concerned about the third there were of the project sponsors hes building. Because this number one, is my building and my bedroom. I am not concerned about anything about views. I know that the planning code does not. 99 of the design i approve and im happy theyre going to build it. A small change for them is a huge impact on me. And that is why im here today to ask for your consideration. And to put it in light, this is the section wore talking about in terms of the mass this is very little its just the end of the top third there were o floow building. I hope you will take this into consideration and help with the modifications that is needed before you approve the permit for them. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you, very much. That closes the public side of the hearing. Ill just start off by saying im in support of the proposed project minus half of the roof deck. I would be ok keeping the front side of the roof deck. Id like to also speak about the roof deck. The question to the architect, i see mechanical equipment, could you please come up . Thank you. I see mechanical equipment indicated could you specify what it is . It is airconditioned or heat pump . Wore trying to get planning approval so we havent engineered anything and i dont know if well do airconditioning but its heat pumps at the place holder for equipment but we have a section and a diagram. Its going to be below the level of i believe of the para pit and well to whatever best practices for noise. Just anecdotally, the house on the corner has rooftop equipment on top of their garage adjacent and we to have any noise issues. Im asking you questions and thats i do. We would very much like to know as to whether or not you are doing aircondition. Im sure a house of that kind of large set up, you know that already. The rules will change and i will ask mr. Winslow to help us with that. If its airconditioned were in a different ball game in comparison to heat condensers . Im not a mechanic allen guinear its well beyond my knowledge between the two and their sound. Maybe you can can show that section again. There we go. So i think what this is showing is we have a wall which will block visual access and the other thing we would be happy to do if theres any criteria for sound transmission like they have in atherton if we need sound a ten youation on the wall or with partial cover, were happy to do that. That aside for a moment, the size of the roof deck, given that this commission has discussed roof decks for quite a few years and were working with the department to establish policy, the roof deck is larger than a Single Family home in some cases in the city. I am concerned that this type of a roof deck given the neighborhood is creating more problems than anticipated. That is noise and visual interference with people who live slightly above ann an a jog streets. The commission has basically generically spoken about that onethird of the roof area is recommended in roof deck. Onethird was proposal i believe that never went further than that but when we are what wove done in the meantime, is weve adopted commonsense approach to looking at the roof deck in terms of size and locations. So, when we see large roof decks, its naturally we assume there are large gatherings of people and nuisances from time to time and so we do troy and tend towards reducing that to the thing of a third or 500 square feet per that original roof deck policy. The non authorized roof deck policy. In this particular case, could you guide the commission a little bit your thoughts on which part of the building that would be best accommodated . Given the key lot conditions of the adjacent properties and the proximity outlined by the dr requestors it could be more appropriately located towards the front of the building without detriment to the users and nuisance to the dr requestors. I would agree with you and that would be for me, one of the conditions. Im still trying to fully understand the concerns about dr requestor number two, speaking about being blocked and relative to the strange location of the key lot. Is that anything you as a rd talked about . So in our rereview and subsequent negotiations i think we identified the recommendation in front of you which is incorrectly revised which was the third floor notching the third floor to the existing building until a point where the existing Buildings Bay protrudes out. That allies with misused basement level if you will. It was a reduction to the roof deck would be the minimum i would suggest if we are taking dr so id like to make a motion we take dr. Reduce the roof deck as outlined together with the notch on the third floor that you are already discussing with the applicant. Id like the architect to respond to what the appropriate line would be assuming we were in favor of reducing the roof deck, could you tell us . Its a good question. Just to clarify a few things. These are two foot by two foot squares if we can get the roof plan up so just its closer to 250 square feet which is probably a little more than a third of the area so, one proposal is to move the rear portion of the roof deck towards the front until we get to onethird. We would be happy to cut it in half and knock it back another 12 feet that means anybody on that roof deck could be further away from the bay window then they currently are on the balcony at the third floor. Could i make an observation as well. Typically the roof deck policy has a 5 for th 5foot setback. Im not sure it makes sense to maintain that 5 for the setback as well as on the Northern Edge at the front. Theres also a side setback separating you from the downhill neighbor. That might be a way of having, you know, having more area available to you and reducing the deck from the year. I think if i can can chime in. If im not mistaken, its very specifically for the firefighters being able to access the roof. Not to my knowledge. I only know about the one we imposed from our continued deliberations on roof decks. I would be supportive of maintaining that 5foot and i thought onethird was too big for this roofdeck. I would support the commissioner moores position to notch the they had floothird flor at the d and we accept the reduction of the deck by the eastern portion of that from the stair be cut in half. Just to clarify. When you say cut in half, are you talking about the line wove drawn on the image here . Yes. Thank you. So there is a motion and i did not hear a second. I did hear an alternate suggestion. I dont know if the motion clarified ex lo exactly what too with the roof deck. Reduce it by they ha third t. Mr. Winslow, could you just mr. Winslow indicated is onethird or 500 square feet maximum or Something Like that but this is a little different. Were doing all the math. Pull it forward here. Please, mr. Winslow. I will use the overhead. This is the outline proposed by commissioner moore as the roof deck. Are you proposing that the front of it could move forward . Yes, i would agree with mr. Winslow it could move forward by two feet. That is Still Holding behin givt more area. Chair m. Marquez is everybody ok with that . Is that part of your motion, commissioner moore. Yes, it is. Second. Did that also encloud your comments. Roughly. Theres a motion that has been seconddegree. On the motion, reduce the roof deck allowing a two foot extension forward and on the third floor. Mr. Winslow, a question, is the motion in words explicit enough to the degree of reduction on the right side of the deck . I heard two feet but not the dough lynthedelineating commentt side. There was a diagram submitted into the record by mr. Winslow that i believe he will use to address that. That would suffice otherwise the wordings does not express what were saying. Thank you. So moved, that passion passes 6 will have 0. Thank you. Were adjourned. President bernal is away this afternoon on some business, so hes asked that i chair the meeting for this evening. The Health Commission will please come to order and the secretary will call the roll. [ roll call ]. Our next item, please clanchts item is the approval of the february 18, 2020, minutes. The minutes are before you for your approval. A motion is in order. I move to approve the minutes. Is there a second . Are there corrections to the minutes . All in favour say aye. All those opposed . The minutes are approved. Clerk there is no Public Comment for item 2. Item 3 is the directors report. Good afternoon, commissioners, grant colfax, director of health. You have the directors report in front of you. I am going to highlight our covid19 coronavirus response. Dr. Aragon will have more details. I wanted to acknowledge the Department Staff who have been working for over eight weeks in terms of our preparedness and our response in terms of dealing with the coronavirus. Last tuesday i am pleased to announce that mayor breed declared a state of emergency in the city, which was transformative in our ability to better prepare for the response. It allowed us to activate the department to be more focused on the response, coordinate better with other city departments. This is a shared responsibility in terms of our response doing that. We were able to also be eligible for potential federal responses within an emergency response. We were also able to position ourselves to better educate the community and the public about how best to prepare for coronavirus and when coronavirus does arrive in San Francisco. A key part of our message is that everyone can be a good Public Health hero in this response. That includes not going to work or school if you are sick. Stay at home or seek medical attention. Avoid coughing into your hand. Cough into your elbow or sneeze into our elbow. We recommend to not shake hands, but do an elbow bump instead. A key piece moving forward. And also a reminder to get a flu shot, and a flu shot does not prevent coronavirus infection, but it prevents symptoms similar to a coronavirus infection. Get a flu shot to prevent getting symptoms. And, very importantly, wash your hands or use Hand Sanitizer frequently, especially after being in contact, close contact, with others, touching your face and so forth. Regular hand soap for 20 seconds is one of the most effective Public Health strategies that we have as well as Hand Sanitizer. Hand sanitizer is available outside with the commission materials. We also need to focus on the outcomes. Our department is working with other Healthcare Systems and other departments to focus on the most vulnerable. According to the w. H. O. Those include people over 60 and Additional Data shows people with chronic medical conditions, especially diabetes, kidney or renal disease, people who have autoimmune disorders and are on medications. Were focusing on those populations. Im pleased to say as of yesterday San Francisco has started testing for coronavirus covid19. This is a big step forward for us because until now weve had to send tests to the c. D. C. That turnaround time can be as much as seven days. We are now, because of our Laboratory Leadership who worked very hard to scale up and to be ready for testing, we started yesterday and that turnaround time is now between one and two days. We do not have a newly diagnosed case of covid19 in San Francisco diagnosed at this time, but i just want to emphasize that given the situation that were seeing in terms of Community Transmission in our surrounding areas, i think its a matter of not if but when. When there is a case, the departments will report it as quickly as possible to both you and of course the public at large. I will also emphasize that as we continue our collective response in this epidemic, we need to ensure that were following the science. Part of that scientific literature is that stigma discrimination and xenophobia is very much bad for individuals, its bad for community, and its bad for Public Health. We are working with communities across the message to ensure that stigma, discrimination, and xenophobia will not be tolerated and we must address this disease together using the best Scientific Evidence as possible. As part of that effort, we are having numerous communications, meetings, and engagements. Those efforts are being coordinated with the department of emergency management, which is leading all the areas of the response that are not directly Public Health or clinically related. Thats my focus on the directors report today. I am happy to answer any questions on the report. With regard to covid19 response, i would ask dr. Aragon to address more details in his report, which is the next agenda item. Thank you. Commissioners, before we go on to dr. Aragon, you had received the report previous. Are there questions on the other areas of the report that he has given us today . Most of these are areas to which are matters of interest. The joint commission is at zuckerberg general. Were actually going through the full survey at this point. Let the commission know if you had not seen that point sent to you earlier. Likewise, on workforce violence at zuckerberg we did address that during our joint conference committee. The information here in the directors report is very substanti substantial. We are continuing to address this message in a very serious matter, also at the joint conference. Commissioners, if i may add, i meant to say we have Public Health leadership here for the specific agenda items today. I have excused many as the executive staff who would typical be here because they are working on the coronavirus covid19 response. I want to acknowledge that fact going forward, but per these agenda items, we have the leadership that needs to be here today. Thank you, director, for the update in where we are. I think we will now hear dr. Aragon, who will give us further information as to the status in the city regarding our response and what the science is today. This is item 4. Good afternoon. My name is dr. Tomas aragon. Things are moving at a fast pace. Im going to try to complement the things to dr. Colfax summarized. As he mentioned february 25 mayor breed declared a local emergency. I want to clarify that its called a local emergency versus a local health emergency. So local emergency is more encompasses and gives us broader powers and more authority to mobilize resources for the city. So thats really important to say. The other counties are asking us why we didnt declare a health emergency, and we said no, were declaring a local emergency which gives us more power and authority. On february 26 Solano County announced the first case of communityacquired coronavirus. As of today the chronicles are reporting we now have 12 communityacquired cases. Each day the number is picking up. If you imagine, if you have 12 cases, theres really an iceberg of people who are infected. We know that most people have mild illness. So that means that infection is circulating in the community. He also mentioned that on february 29 the first death was reported in Washington State. The number of deaths now in Washington State is up to nine, and six of those are connected to a longterm healthcare facility. So theres been a big pivot in the way that were now focusing on the epidemic. This week has really been a big transition week for us. So we have three highpriority areas that were really focused on. Dr. Grant had mentioned number one is focusing on the most vulnerable, medically fragile persons. We know with what were seeing is especially with people who are older and chronic medical conditions that we saw in those longterm care facilities, that the mortality rate is high. The second one is protecting our healthcare workers. Healthcare workers have a unique situation that their cumulative risk of infection is higher than the general public because theyre seeing lots of patients that could be infected and those are the ones we need to protect from becoming ill. The third is focusing on mitigating community spread. There the focus is on how do we interrupt transmission so we can reduce illness and severe disease, thereby reducing demands on our Healthcare System and also reducing the social and Economic Impacts of our community. As of this afternoon, the c. D. C. Is reporting a total of 60 cases across the country. The chronicle is reporting a total when you look at the whole area including travellers. And as well the community acquired, there is 12. The total number in the bay area is 29. San francisco continues to have zero cases at the moment. Santa clara county is up to 11 cases and berkeley just reported a case this afternoon. By focusing on the most vulnerable populations, were asking people who plan large events or Mass Gatherings to really think through about the most vulnerable populations, to really take that into planning and to consider how they can adjust. Just to let you know the Health Department did adjust project homeless connect. Were going to make sure when we bring it back that we address the issues so that people are safe. The c. D. C. As well as d. P. H. Just released our longterm facility guidelines so we have a real rigorous focus on protecting persons in longterm care facilities. Within that, we have the focus on condegree gat settings. Today dr. Baba met with the s. R. O. Committee to focus on what we can do around s. R. O. S where we have a high concentration of persons who are not just older but share facilities. Another major area were making progress reason is dr. Colfax and dr. Baba are working through the Hospital Council to identify and mobilize resources and figure out how the city will handle medical surge, but not just in the system, but if the systems get overwhelmed, do we end up designating specific hospitals to take over where care can be provided. As already mentioned, we have started our testing in San Francisco. I understand that the testing is going to be increasing dramatically at the national level. Unfortunately the c. D. C. Was very slow initially, but thats changing. Two more things i want to mention. Just this afternoon, the California Department of Public Health just got permission to release from the stockpile that they have, its in the millions, its a large number of n95 for healthcare workers. So thats really good news. So were going to have n95 res pirators for our healthcare workers in california. Thats important for us to recognize. The last thing i want to mention is for Community Mitigation which is interrupting transmission in the community, we think of personal measures. Dr. Colfax mentioned the personal measures because they are critical, its the foundation. The community measures, i mentioned the issue of how to think about Mass Gatherings and large events. The third area is environmental measures. Thats really cleaning and disinfecting our environment. And dr. Colfax referred me to olga miranda who is a union lead for the porters in San Francisco. And i believe its 5,000, a large number of porters that we have that clean all the buildings in San Francisco. So i mention this because they are really the they are part of the frontlines of fighting this epidemic and they need our support because theres a lot of issues around their working conditions that we can work on together to make it better for them. So i do want to mention that. I do want to thank dr. Colfax for referring me to her. Its an area where we would not notice it if it werent for the epidemic. They came to us. I think its a great opportunity for us to have a strong partnership. We dont see them. Theyre cleaning at night. They make a big difference in keeping us safe. I do want to acknowledge them and to thank dr. Colfax. Thats the end of my report. Thank you, dr. Aragon. Commissioners, questions of dr. Aragon. I think its important to acknowledge how hard the department has been working and the fact that much of our usual staff who was at the meetings to help answer some of our questions are not here because they are busy, as dr. Aragon described, doing all the different work that will be necessary in order to respond to whatever happens with this as we move through this Community Phase of the problem of the infecti infection. So i do want to express on behalf of the commission the gratitude for the very fine work that were doing, which is not only protecting our city, but also being able to address the anxieties of our City Residents as to what it is that this virus is all about and what needs to be done. I think the success so far of the information that you have put out is indicated by the fact that people are appropriately using the techniques. I notice that hand wash materials are actually very squares to find in scores. And even though it appears you cant really buy a mask out in the public areas for the fact that the city does not have everybody wearing a mask i think indicates that i think weve heard the message. Its important to have that if we believe that we have some sort of infection, but that very importantly that Health Workers need it because of the exposure that theyre going to get. I think your last information that Health Workers are going to be able to access this is very importa importa important. I believe that we want to once again express our thanks to the department and the mayor for actually getting ahead of this. Although, i guess it was in the hour that the government also declared with the c. D. C. That there was a real need on a nationtonation basis to be mobilized. We were there also to mobilize the city. Our timing was very good. I described it to a coworker. Were like riding a wave and were on the right part of the wave, not wiping out but just ahead of the curve. I feel confident in what were doing. Commissioners, some specific questions that you may have. Thank you, dr. Aragon, for your report. I want to add my thanks to commissioner chow for the swift action and the comprehensiveness of the work thats being done in riding the wave quite well. I had a question about the testing. The test kits, the c. D. C. Tests, are they state tests or what the current tests that were sent out came from right as of today, all the testing are c. D. C. Kits. So the state Health Department has them and then selected local Health Departments got some of them. We got just over the ability to test 100 people. That still is limited to people who meet the requirements for testing. The f. D. A. Just approved the ability for hospitals and private labs, as far as they can meet the full laboratory requirements, they can go ahead and start testing. I think over the next week or two youll see a lot more positive tests. Can i also state and reinforce the fact that current testing recommendations are to test people who are at highest risk for coronavirus infection. Theres no ondemand testing in San Francisco. Im not aware that theres anywhere at this time, but just to emphasize that. The test has to be if people are correspond, they need to discuss this with their healthcare provider, who will contact the healthcare department, and they will make an assessment with the c. D. C. Guidelines whether a test will be done. Thats correct. Thank you as well. My question is of all the cases reported in the United States, are any of them children and adolescents . None are children that im aware of in the United States right now. I know from china the number of children involved is really, really small, very small. Thank you. Commissioner green. Thank you so much. I was wondering if you could elaborate on how youre interacting with Hospital Councils. I work in the sudder system and most of what were getting is from sudder corporate. So many of our hospitals are getting things systemwide. Im going to refer to dr. Colfax because thats an area hes spending time with. If you could elaborate with, that would be great. Using the Hospital Council, we have brought together the Healthcare Systems to have shared conversations to make sure we have the best understanding of how we are preparing together, focusing on the same priorities and the same populations and also ensuring that we are potentially being able to share resources, particularly with regard to the medical staffing and staffing up in the event we need more capacity to respond to an epidemic. So lots of planning going on on an ongoing basis with regular and structured calls, on a regular basis to ensure that point people are identified, leadership is activated, and that were moving forward as consistently and as rapidly as possible. Thank you. I did want to thank dr. Aragon also for responding to my question last time in regards to the s. R. O. S and that the d. E. M. Is working with them in order to be able to help respond to another vulnerable area which i think especially in this city is very pertinent. Commissioner, if i may add something else. The most uptodate information on coronavirus and local guidance, sfdph. Org and then the c. D. C. Website also has uptodate information. Given there are multiple sources of information, some are more reliable than others. I want to encourage the public to go to sfdph. Org for the most uptodate information. Thank you very much. Thats information, then, dr. Colfax, that will be for laypeople also or for yes. Okay. In multiple languages for San Francisco. Okay. And that would be through the departments website . Yes. Okay. Very good. Okay. Any further questions . If not, once again the commission is very appreciative of all the hard work that youre all doing and we look forward to the report coming up well, we dont look forward to it, but we will then be receiving your report at our next meeting again. Thank you. Clerk commissioners, item 5 is general Public Comment and i have not received any requests for that. General Public Comment would be on a topic that is not listed on the agenda as an item. Still none. We can move down to item 6 which is report back for the finance and Planning Committee. The finance and Planning Committee met earlier today. We had a couple of items that have added to the consent calendars for our approval. The first is the contract report and there are three contracts in that report. One is San Francisco Public Health foundation and that is for in a contract came back to us for amendment because there were more sundays added through the text. So they have to adjust the contract figures. The second one is the San Francisco aids foundation. Due to the supervisors at that, they also have some additional fundings that they need to amend into the existing contract. The third one is the Mission Neighborhood health center. This is actually a renewal contract. So the last contract ended in december 31, 2019, and this one this contract is for the period between january 1, 2020, to june 30, 2023. We also have a new contract with talemed and it is to provide nurse registry personnel to San Francisco health network, zuckerberg hospital, and laguna honda. This is the contract that we are approving for, just to make sure we do not get short staffed at any point in time. In addition to that, we have two discussion items. These items actually also would come to the Commission Later on today and the programs themselves would the contract would be coming back to the finance and Planning Committee meetings. These two contracts are first theres the hummingbird respite in 1156 valencia. The other one is the project 180 which is the methamphetamine Sobering Center on 180 jones street. We have received a lot of Public Comments for both items. For the hummingbird respite, we get fairly positive support in the feedback that they really support the program. Hopefully, this will help to alleviate some of the highcost services that folks needed, such as going to the p. S. Or other emergency services. Instead, they would have this detox respite that they could go to. The other is the project 180, which is a methamphetamine Sobering Center. It has 15 beds. It is going to utilize one of the citys property which is currently a parking lot to set up a tent for these 15 beds. It is scheduled to go for a year. After that, that space would be used for Affordable Housing development. We have a lot of Public Comment from both sides. Some supports and some concerns about the process, but in general from what we gathered earlier is that nobody is opposing this kind of program from being implemented. You know, the concern is more about the timing and the process of it. Im pretty sure that some of these members of the public would come back and speak on that later on our agenda as well. Thank you. Are there any questions . I think well take questions on the contracts, questions on the other two parts of the committee hearing. Well actually defer to our own hearing because we will be hearing those two subjects here at the Health Commission very shortly. My apologies, i should add a little bit is that we didnt have to approve any of those contracts because we have rescheduled them to come back to the finance and Planning Committee on march 17. That way, we could also meet the actual requirement for posting it and for the Public Notice and which needs to be 30 days. Right. So to get into those items, well discuss what the process in and what well be doing in terms of taking up the two subjects and action on them. So i would accept questions on this point to commissioner chung regarding the consent calendar if there are any questions i should say in regards to the report and then well move on to the consent calendar. If theres no questions on the report, well move on to item 7. Clerk item 7 is the consent calendar. The consent calendar is before you. Are there any extractions . Seeing none, well adopt that and move on to the next item. Clerk item 8 is the proposed Program Review of 1156 valencia hummingbird respite, a Respite Program to be located at 1156 valencia street. This is a discussion item. Yes, once again, as we take up these two items, both items will be for discussion for the public to put their input in. The commission then will request the department in certain follow up if any occurs from the testimony. And then the final action on these two items will be taken at our next Health Commission meeting. So well proceed with the presentation on item number 8 now, please. Arrow up because i think its at the end. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Kelly Hiramoto and im the special projects director for the department of Public Health here to talk to you and give you a brief overview of the proposed hummingbird respite at 1156 valencia street. So identifying the need for a hummingbird that is in the neighborhood, we know that many people in the neighborhood know the people we aim to serve and the need to support them locally. We know many of them as well. We want to create a safe place for them to rest and consider their options. Its also important to note that the neighboring district 9 has 661 people at the january 2019 point in time count. There are 317 people experiencing homelessness in district 8 according to the same point in time count. A known group of atrisk individuals are in the mission upper market and delores park corridor and they could be served by having a place closer. We know clients are more likely to seek out shelter from a nearby location with welcoming staff and activities that will keep them positively engaged. Were aiming to serve praerls Homeless Individuals who are not engaging care. Our goal is to have recovery programs to maximize each individuals capacity and quality of life. Why 1156 valencia . As you know, San Francisco real estate can be challenging, so we were fortunate to find this building in an area where the need for services is great. Just as we were looking for a new location to expand the successful hummingbird place mod model, we were looking for an innovative way to serve people experiencing homelessness in San Francisco. Its also important to note that Salvation Army is making this an affordable site for the city. It is the right size to serve a population in the hummingbird model. It has the right features, existing bathrooms, Large Community spaces, ability to support laundry and meals. It is close to delores park and corridors where the need is great. The project itself is going to operate 24 7, 365 days a year. It will have 30 beds for overnight stays and up to 25 dropin daily participants. We dont just mean people who will just drop in. At our current site about 70 of the population are people who have stayed at the program before and are coming back but just to stay for the day. A lot of folks come and stay during the daytime and rest during the day so they can stay up at night because they feel at risk in the community. Low barrier means were always open, you dont need an appointment, you can bring your partner, your pet, your belongings. Inside, you will find trained, compassionate staff, access to activities and also Substance Use treatment. If people are not able to get to our center, people will come to the site to do the paperwork and intake. We will offer individual and group counseling, laundry facilities, meals, connect to healthcare, link to social services, help sign people up for Services Like s. F. I. , and help escorting people to their families when needed. Weve talked about the kinds of people we hope to serve at 1156 valencia and now we are going to talk about what it would be for the neighbors. First, we encourage people to engage so the people in need are not vulnerable. Neighbors would notice 24 7 security on site with staff escorting clients when they come and go. The captain from the San Francisco Police Department mission station is committed to partnering with p. R. C. Baker with the onsite security. Anyone experiencing homelessness in the vicinity is not in need of this type of support but needs housing. D. P. H. Is exploring a partnership with the department of homelessness and Supportive Housing to help the community. D. P. H. Convened two Community Meetings about this proposal about you today. We held a Community Meeting on february 10 and we had a followup one on the 17th. Neighbors will be provided a phone number to report any issues 24 7. A Community Meeting will be convened six months after opening. We are having conversations with the neighbors and the community. It may be that well hold further Community Members if thats necessary as we launch. We targeted for six months because we want to give the program time to get off the ground and have some structure to it before we have conversations with the community. The program will work with the community to provide referral to services. These referrals will come from Many Services in the area. The goal is for the majority of referrals to come into the program to be from a known source so were able to have escorts in and out. The good news is that we do have treatment to offer clients who are ready for it. Clients who participate in this program get expedited access to these providers. Because Mental Health Treatment Programs are also offered, it is a straightforward way of fast true and accurating folks into those programs. We also partner with the crisis service. Salvation army also as a Substance Use social Detox Program and residential Treatment Program. Well be having tight relationships with them. We also have relationships with Additional Community treatment providers such as Friendship House or mission council. Well continue to make sure we have warm handoffs. Those referrals can go in both directions. It may be somebody is having a tough time in the Treatment Program. Rather than having those individuals discharged into the community, they can come to the hummingbird site to have a moment to think about it. We have included some data from our current existing hummingbird place. Our average length of stay for the fiscal year of 201819, our shortest stay was less than a day. Our longest stay was an individual with us for 220 days p. Right now our average length of stay is around 17 days. Thank you new site, Tipping Point community is funding because theyve studied the model and recognized the need for more Services Like it. We also collect data about the d. P. H. Programs. Here is Additional Data about the program that launched in august of 2017. Our efficacy is measured in a few ways. For clients not really for treatment, willingness to keep returning. For those who come in, success is going to the program. And for those who leave, having 30 days or longer without a return to p. D. H. At our first hummingbird site, many of the clients did not return after a departure from the site. In our last fiscal year we increased the number that exited residential treatment to 34. Were Getting Better able to understand the population that were serving. To give you an example of some of the clients weve served, t. M. Had a long history of homelessness, alcoholism, and other issues. He was using a wheelchair. He used the Emergency Department so frequently that the Emergency Department Case Management team stepped in to help. At hummingbird, he was able to maintain sobriety and get regular follow up and emotional support. He continued with his medical care and with time no longer needed the wheelchair and was able to graduate to use a cane. He continues to remain sober. Here is another example. He completed a 90day program, and moved to his own place where he continues to do well. These are good examples that we do have success and how were engaging clients and moving them into a Higher Quality of care. I wanted to take a minute to allow p. R. C. To talk about their program, what their history is, why were partnering with them to do this program. Here is the c. E. O. Thank you, kelly. Commissioners, good afternoon, director. I quickly ran home to walk my dog max and found out that joe biden won virginia. I have no dog in this race, but thought i would report that. Its a busy day in the United States. I am Brett Andrews and i am the c. O. Of p. R. C. This was formerly positive Resource Center. In 2017 we merged positive Resource Center and baker places, a center that you all have been supporting since 1964. I think this is all teed up. I just put on the screen our executive leadership to include myself and a chief operating officer, finance, clinical, programs, strategy, and our information officer. I have joe here who is our c. O. O. In the back and our director of Property Management Jeremiah Gregory who is here as well. P. R. C. Has been around since 1964 as a combined entity with baker places since 1964. Our mission is to help people affected by h. I. V. And aids, Substance Use and Mental Health issues to better realize opportunities by providing better integrated legal, social services that address the broad range of social factors that limit wellness and affect potential. We stand on our values of diversity, inclusion, and respect, to name a few. I think ive skipped ahead a little bit. Our headquarters are on 179 street. We just had the opportunity to merge the three organizations and of the 270 staff that we have, almost 100 of them are at 179 street between mission and howard. That was formerly the operas Costume House that we were able to take advantage of. Were glad to provide Legal Services there, workforce development, housing Case Management, emergency financial assistance, and peertopeer counseling. Our staff is a total of 270 and we have a budget of about 31 million. In addition to our hummingbird facility that we have on pretrero, we have another facility across the city of 100 beds of residential Treatment Programs and 114 beds of transitional and permanent Supportive Housing. This all speaks to a continuum of care and i know youre going to be later talking about 180 jones street. As we think about lowbarrier services, allowing people to step into services where they are in a Harm Reduction model with a level of dignity and often in a homelike environment, this is San Franciscos innovative way of introducing hummingbird as a Behavioral Health respite and allows people for many times, for the first time, to think about what is the next best right step for them. In a lot of cases people are going to go from the Sobering Center to hummingbird and stabilize them and into treatment and care and living a life of wellness and recovery, something that San Francisco as a value has been standing on for years. Kelly talked a lot about 1156 valencia. I heard a lot about the process. I understand its important to get feedback in the community process. We want to hear from the community while we are moving forward with this hummingbird and potentially if there are other hummingbirds. I will say as person who had a has been in the work for 17 years, i have seen those in the streets and watched our clientele become sicker, older, and darker. There will be a spot of individuals who we will never be able to save if we dont do anything. I would like to thank the commission for taking big and bold steps in this. With that, im happy to answer any questions you have. [ indiscernible ] public speakers, which we will call before we go on to questions. Actually, commissioner, if i may. For those of you new to the commission, my name is mark, the Health Commissioner secretary. I have a timer and everyone will get two minutes to speak. When the buzzer goes off, please stop and let the next person speak. Many of you are passionate about the topic. If you would like to say the same thing, use your hands like this so we can keep the flow going. There are six people who have asked to speak on this item, so i will call each of the names. You dont have to be in this order, but be prepared to come forward. Come forward into the aisle and take the next spot after the previous speaker. Each speaker has two minutes. Hi, commissioners, director. I am the policy director at Compass Family Services and were a member of the treatment on demand coalition. I just want to speak in favor of this proposal. I think we need projects like this and so many more like them in order to offer people, as brett was saying, the lowbarrier dignified care they need to access recovery and maintain their own wellness over time. Its tough to go first because im not really responding to other perspectives, but as a family provider i want to say we shouldnt underestimate what it means for families to provide these spaces for people to be. Its extremely important for our families and our children that we move people inside in a dignified way that gives them safe spaces to be. And i think this project, like other projects, theres certain other refrains that we hear in the community in opposition to the project. While i acknowledge that those arguments are out there, i think the argument is always that we want this but not here, if that is the argument, were never going to bring the projects online with the frequency to mitigate the cases of homelessness and Substance Abuse that were seeing in San Francisco. We need to also assess the goals that are laid out. With that said, we support the project and thank you for your time. Thank you next speaker, plea please. My name is anthony crosco and i work with marykate over at compass services. Im not sure if you all have siblings, but i think its similar how siblings can look similar or different. I have a very big family, about seven folks in my family. One of my older brothers named donnie, hes about 6 foot5 and he has curly hair and he looks just like johnny depp and you couldnt tell them apart or he looked like him. I havent seen him in 12 years. During the time in which my family navigated the obstacles of homelessness, my brother developed a drug addiction and was incarcerated and hes been incarcerated ever since. I would not wish on any of you or anyone you care about the pain of losing a sibling. I cant tell you with scientific certainty that a program like hummingbird would have made it so that my brother wasnt taken away from me, but i can tell you with scientific certainty that with programs like hummingbird families can Stay Together and siblings wont have to grow up without their parents and without each other. That is something that is true. So i appreciate and im very, very grateful for all of your commitment to programs like hummingbird. Im grateful to the mayor for her support of programs like hummingbird. I can just tell you that i hope that this project finds great success. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, commissioners. Im sara short. I live at 1042 valencia. So its just the adjacent block to the proposed site at 1156. As a neighbor, i just wanted to express my genuine support for the project. I see these folks in my neighborhood. I know some of them. Ive become familiar with their stories. I also to some extent see them day after day for month after month. So im really familiar with how important this resource is so that rather than many childrens and families in my neighborhood like any other, rather than have those children see suffering on the streets and see a city that doesnt care about people in crisis, i would like the children of my community to experience the knowledge that theres a facility where theres care and healing and treatment being provided to those folks. So im really excited about this facility and i know that this wont be the only one. Thats the other thing that im happy about is our neighborhood being a leader, that if its successful, hopefully we can replicate it. We already know its been successful because weve had a model over at general. To do it in the community now is the logical next step. I just want to say that as a resident, ive heard a lot of my neighbors express fear and concerns and such and say we really, really support this project, but not right here and now. Im saying, yes here and now. Please, thank you. Thank you. Welcome former commissioner guy. Thank you, current, daily, president chow facilitating the meeting today. Commissioners and staff, including our director. Today i just want to im smiling because i didnt come to complain, which is what you usually anticipate, so relax. Even though we have this virus that we know is coming. So i want to really support the lessons that weve learned as a community from the first Navigation Center that was opened in the mission at 16th street. I just want to give credit to the staff leadership over the years. Thank you. And also, the second point is part of the success of this is that the silos began collaborating. So you have housing, the department of Public Health, you have the community, even when we brought our criticisms. So this Community Collaboration is part of the achievement, including the financing and people who run for office now. That was not true four years ago. Also, thank you especially for linking homelessness and incarceration because this is the first time that weve begun to do this. I just really want to thank you that all the Navigation Centers are open to people where theyre at, having them come back to the Navigation Center rather than being recycled at p. B. S. And the jail. Thank you for this success and also thank you for showing that the Navigation Centers and others will not be afraid of the public, that we come to you and organize regular Community Meetings for feedback and learning more lessons. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, im lidia branston and im coming to talk to you of a child that goes to school two blocks of the proposed hummingbird site. Im wearing a hummingbird in support of the site. Im here also with the support of my child. She has grown up understanding that people all deserve respect, that theyre inherently dignified, and sometimes as a society we need to give them that respect to remind them of their inherent dignity and their right to have a dignified life. One of my kids friends parents said, watch out, here comes a tomato and they were having an episode that was involved with drugs. My daughter was horrified and she said, you should talk to their mom. When does a person become a tomato . The dehumanizing aspect of stigma of people who are struggling with Mental Health and programs like hummingbird, like the 180 project, show our children that we have a society that actually cares for all people and that all people deserve respect and treatment. Thank you. Thank you. I think i had one more also, lauren khan. Hi. Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here. Lauren khan representing health 360 and also myself as a citizen of San Francisco. I just want to say the need for expansion of the Hummingbird Program and more programming like this could not be more acute in San Francisco right now. So really appreciate the work that many have done to advance this and to want to encourage the commission to do everyone in its power to move this forward. Thank you. I think that ends public testimony unless somebody has not turned in a slip. Yes, please. Thank you for doing updates. Bernie sanders won vermont. Im amy wise, the founder and director of the San Francisco homelessness challenge. Our focus 2015 is to end the crisis conditions of street homelessness through essential needs activism and also creating safe, organized spaces of stewardship, belonging, shared agreements, cultural enrichment, and participatory management. Ah, that sounds good, right . One thing i want to mention to you, i support this project. I live im currently housing unstable, but one of the places that i stay at sometimes is just two blocks away. As a neighbor, i say, yes to in my backyard. One thing that our organization has been pointing out for a long time is that we need safe exits from the Navigation Center. Originally what was the beauty of the Navigation Center, one part of it in addition to partners, pets, and possessions was that people got to stay there until they got housing. And i understand theres been different policy changes, but ive seen the impacts of peoples lives and having to get evicted for 30, 60, or 90 days. When youre talking about this, please think about a safe exits program. Guess what, i have a solution. We dont have enough beds inside buildings. We dont have enough beds and shelters, but we can create safe, organized spaces on land that is underutilized right now. Think about that, safe exits, so were making sure that people arent returning to the streets. S. F. Public press just did a report on the amount of people that go through the healthy streets operation and go through a na. V. Center and go back to the streets. Thank you very much is there any other Public Comment . Seeing none, though, before we go to the commissioners, i would ask director colfax to make some comments. Again, i would add to your comment, director chow, that this is an ongoing expansion of our behavioral work. This is another step in lowbarrier opportunities for people and this is really in the larger picture the efforts of what mayor breed has said with Mental Health reform and Mental Health s. F. This is another key step going forward. As we continue to invest in Mental Health s. F. Efforts, what i would like to communicate to the commission and the members of the public is that this would be one step forward, but over time this would be one of many of those types of opportunities for people who have Mental Health disorders to get the care and support. And then the exit strategies that support them and the community to do better. Thank you. Commissioners, questions to any of our presenters or to dr. Colfax . The presentations have been so outstanding that i have not actually remembered when the commission didnt think that they actually wanted to question it. I will take that then as an intent for us to then close discussion on this particular item, reminding the public that we will be taking this item up again for final discussion and action on march what is it . The commission will vote on the contract for this program on march 17. On march 17, okay. Commissioner chow, if i may. Kelly, one of our key staff who has led the hummingbird concept, i want to acknowledge her leadership in this work. This is hard work to do and she mobilizes us enables us to get her. I want to acknowledge her here today. She has been doing a lot of work for a lot of years. This must be one shes feeling satisfied about in terms of being part of the exit. Shall we move on, commissioners . Yes, please, shall we go on to the next item. Item 9 is the proposed Program Review project 180, a new drug Sobering Center to be located at 180 jones street, San Francisco. This is a discussion item. The contract will be forked at the march 17 meeting. Dr. Martin. Good afternoon, commissioners. Some of you are going to feel like its groundhog day. So my name is judy martin and im the medical director for seven Seas Services for the city and county. Im going to be presenting some slides for project 180 along with my colleague from health 360. First i would like to call another colleague dr. Anton nigusse bland who has had a lot to do with this project. Thank you, dr. Martin, and thank you, commissioners, for the opportunity to present this information and our proposal for a drug Sobering Center in the tenderloin. The drug Sobering Center was the foremost recommendation and it was cochaired by leaders from the department of Public Health. Over six months this group of individuals, including healthcare providers, policymakers, safety officials, members of the judiciary, as well as most importantly members of our community who have lived with the experience of methamphetamine use, committed to inquiry and develop recommendations for how our city can best move forward in response to the growing methamphetamine epidemic. Today im pleased to join with our team members in presenting this proposal. Over the past several weeks, ive had the opportunity to listen attentively to concerned Community Members and directly driveways their concerns about the drug Sobering Center. What i hear mostly in these conversations is trauma. I want to acknowledge and spaes for the experiences of inequity and i also want to acknowledge as your Health Systems attempt to improve, we must allow for our experiences of inequity. What we cannot do in the face of inequity and in the face of rising deaths and other harms linked to methamphetamine use, which disproportionately affects people experiencing homelessness, what we cannot do is wait. The mayor made it an urgent priority for city agencies to work collaboratively and partner to create the first drug Sobering Center. Our aim for this program is to increase safety for the Tenderloin Community and the many children who live there. As the department of Public Health previously did when placi placi placing syringe boxes, we will continue to request the advice and insight from concerned Community Members and incorporate their feedback into our programming. Our hope is that as we continue to build relationships in the Tenderloin Community, the community will feel a difference, continue to thrive, and people will receive the care that they need with dignity and respect. With that, ill turn it over to dr. Judy martin and kathleen stokes. I wanted to start by saying this is noticed under chapter 79 a of the code. If commissioners have questions, my colleague is here to help answer questions. The drug Sobering Center is a recommendation of the Methamphetamine Task force and the other 16 recommendations are in your packets. This one was the number one recommendation. In october when these recommendations were presented, mayor breed said the city would implement the top recommendation and then in february announced that a proposed opening of a drug Sobering Center at 180 jones street. The Methamphetamine Task force was informed by focus groups that included people with lived experience using methamphetamine and experiencing homelessness. It included residents and merchants from various neighborhoods and included healthcare providers. Between april and september 2017, the task force convened four public meetings, studied best practices, compared our situation to other countries and state states, and weighed Public Comment at those meetings. The two words that they used in this initial recommendation that we used is trauma informed and Harm Reduction. I just wanted to point out that trauma informed means that our care for people takes into account all kinds of previous trauma, current trauma, et cetera. The approach which is to care for physical, psychological, and emotional safety for clients also includes the same for providers and neighbors. Harm reduction is something that San Francisco has led and has been a shining example for many years. Its been our policy, weve had a Harm Reduction policy for 15 years or so. The Harm Reduction services help to mitigate the dangerous effects of drugs and alcohol use and is not predicated on coming into treatment. So syringe access is a good example of this. Were good at opiates doing Harm Reduction. I wanted to point out in 2018 there were over 1,800 bystander reversals. So the community is very well aware of these efforts and sophisticated about protecting each other. So this geo map, sometimes called a heat map, represents some of the challenges of the tenderloin neighborhood. The darker the blue, the higher the over dodose rate. You can see that the darkest of all is in the area where this Sobering Center is being placed. We also wanted to mention that the Homeless Count in 2019, the single day count would look fairly similar with 3,659 people experiencing homelessness counted in district 6, which is 10 times more than the neighboring counties. I mean that in district 6. So the effects of methamphetamine are a challenge for the neighborhood and for the people who use methamphetamine and for this system. The hospitalizations have increased dramatically since 20 2013. Psych emergency visits have many of them are related to methamphetamine use, including people walking in for help to psych emergency. Were hoping to help some of those people at the Sobering Center. Also there are also a lot of arrests related to methamphetamine, and 55 of those occurred in tenderloin and south of market. So this project is meant to provide an alternative to being arrested or going to the emergency services. And a more appropriate response. So a drug Sobering Center, the word Sobering Center comes from the alcohol ones, like the ones we have in the city thats been successful for many years. Some of the learnings we got from that program we used in designing this one. Drug Sobering Center is focusing on other drugs, most importantly methamphetamine. Its a place where people experiencing homelessness and who use drugs in the street in the open can come in and their needs be addressed by professional staff who also are caring and trained in traumainformed systems. The monitoring for health and safety is especially important to notice. So part of the triage and evaluation is the risk for overdose. So people at higher risk would be monitored more frequently than those who may be at lower risk. The Sobering Center includes needs for people who are stimulated and want to walk around and do things and also for people who are crashing and need to rest and sometimes stay overnight. So the site selection, one of the things i mentioned earlier is the tenderloin in general, but this particular site, part of the reason for selecting a site that was immediately available to the city and owned by the city is the urgency of this issue. The location at jones and turk was also good. It was sited for Affordable Housing starting in the fall of 2021. That makes this a temporary project. Were looking at it as a pilot that will further inform the development of other Sobering Centers in the city. One of the commissioners was asking what we will be looking at and how that will inform. Were immediately looking at how does it flow. Where do people come from, how many people come back twice. How are the warm handoffs in the community, which is one of the most interesting parts of this project that i think is brilliant and is going to work well is to meet people in the community and walk them back, how much that works. Whether the screening or triage process works. Can people stay, are we picking the right people to be there or should some people be in the hospital. Were looking at that. Depending on the results of the pilot program, we might tweak some of the other proposals and even this one. Were hoping that this one will continue in a more permanent site in the tenderloin neighborhood. Its meant to be embedded in the tenderloin and working in other tenderloin agencies that serve peop people. So people will not be bused in from other parts of the city. Theyre already in the tenderloin. Many of them we expect to come from referral partners that serve the neighborhood programs in the area. One of the commissioners asked too what other programs are in the area. So we attempted to make a list, an initial list. St. Anthoninys hospitality house, boys and girls club, glubio project, drug users union, larkin street, antonio manner, compass, guide. Lots of programs can use this. Curry Seniors Center is another place and might be using this if someone is compensating. The calls will come from the tenderloin area. Were not screening people at intake like saying, where did you come from, whats your address . Were more trying to get referrals that only come from the area. Health 360 is probably going to speak about that more. Where do people go . Well, we have other programs that address clients experiencing homelessness. 90 of the residential treatment clients are experiencing homelessness. Many of those use methamphetamine. One obvious potential warm handoff on referral would be a residential Treatment Program. We now have finetreatmentsf. Org that lets people know daytoday the open bed count of these programs. So well probably use that as well in referral. We wanted to say, though, that were supporting people, regardless of whether they choose a Treatment Program or not or just Harm Reduction services. We want to recognize that even coming to that site is already a commitment to health and the beginning of a relationship. So we are committed to Community Engagement and well be active with Community Partners in the tenderloin. We recognize that the community wanted to be involved before the announcement of this proposal in february, and we apologize for not gathering their input sooner. Were committed to repairing those communities and rebuilding them in the future. What we found is most people approve of the service and see the need for it. So were hoping to work with other issues that people are raising about the location. So im going to turn this over to my colleague kathleen silk to talk about health 360 and how they see the program. Good afternoon, commissioners. Thank you for having me again this afternoon. My name is kathleen silk. Im a licensed marriage and family therapist. I specialize in Substance Use disorder and trauma treatment. Im also currently the managing director of Behavioral Health services at health right 360 in San Francisco, overseeing 200 staff over a dozen Behavioral Health programs in San Francisco, which include outpatient recovery services, detoxification, as well as transitional housing and criminal justice programs. Im also a native of San Francisco and live in the civic center area. Health right 360 is one of the Substance Use Disorder Treatment centers. The agency is the result of a merger of two San Francisco nonprofits organizations waldon house and ashbury program. We currently provide an array of services here in San Francisco aimed at integrated wholeperson care. Those include street outreach, primary health and dental care, and social supports. Underlying all of our work is the belief that everyone has a right to access healthcare. The way we practice that value is by Offering Services that are nonjudgmental and affordable. We serve people who are uninsured, experience homelessness, and are socioeconomically disenfranchised. We love the people that we serve and we love the work that we do. Were deeply concerned about the increasing dangers and harms for those experiencing homelessness in San Francisco, particularly the growing risk of overdose and death. I will describe some of the major features of the proposed program we hope to open. As was mentioned, the top recommendation from the Methamphetamine Task force was to open a traumainformed drug Sobering Center. This is a Neighborhood Pilot Program focused on serving people in the tenderloin who are intoxicated by methamphetamines and other drugs. All stays are voluntary. The program would be built on the principles of Harm Reduction and care. As a result of the Harm Reduction approach, we acknowledge that harms caused by Substance Use can be numerous and Impact Communities in vastly different ways. In this proposed program, we would meet participants where they are motivated to engage. Some people may stay for only a couple of hours, while others will be invited to stay overnight. Some may only accept a few resources on their first visit, but we want to create a space where they will feel comfortable returning. We would have staff at this program 24 7, included registered nurses, Health Workers, supervisors, van drivers, and safety monitors. We understand that the harms of Substance Use are not just ones that impact individuals, but whole communities. Our goal is to be a positive influence on that corner. One way we will do that is with staff encouraging a sebs of stewardship for the area as an extension of our program. The program is based on a few key elements listed here. As i mentioned, we believe in treating people without judgment and with compassion. We care deeply about people who use drugs seeking our services and we want to minimize barriers to engaging in our program. The services would include self referrals, community organizations, the department of Public Health, the Street Outreach Team and street medicine. Our warm handoff process was referenced that were working with the tenderloin substation to facilitate, which would include our van or outreach workers walking or picking people up in the community. This will be particularly important, as there is no 24hour service in the neighborhood and this is something that we know that an overnight shift of Police Officers would be able to utilize. We will have registered nurses on staff aroundtheclock to provide medical assessments and refer out as necessary. They can provide first aid, educate people on their medications, and assist in linkages to healthcare providers. The layout of the program would be at the lot of 180 jones. Its enclosed by a perimeter fence and would be with a large te tent. We want to be able to use this temporary space while looking for an alternative space in the neighborhood for this project. While we have this chance, we are working with the department of public works to have a weatherproof, as durable as possible on this timeline tent and make the most of the space. So that includes outdoor spaces for walking and pacing, a pet area, as well as baths and a shower. People can present with various features. Were hoping to create a space that can provide flexible accommodations for people in those states and help people feel better. We will provide an offer to rest, be active, as well as places for medical assessments. Underlying all of our services is the prioritization of safety of our participants, our staff, and the surrounding area. Health right 360 has 50 years of experience running 24hour facilities. We have learned a lot of lessons on running facilities where participants have traumatic histories. We account for traumatic experiences in peoples backgrounds. We make an assumption that people react from a place of vulnerability and fear and need a safe space. We hope there will be a sense of calm and familiarity. These principles are also underlying our staff training which include nonviolent communication, restorative justice. We also want to be responsive to the community that we serve, given that we are aiming to serve those in our community who need help. Our safety monitors may become the most visible in our neighborhood, as we hope to have them work in the areas surrounding the program. Partnerships are very key in the development of this program and its success. We recognize that building a strong evidencebased Community Engagement component is also essential. Health right 360 is going to partner with the ucsf center on a formal evaluation of the impact of this project and the engagement of the community in the tenderloin. The goal is to learn lessons and what we need to improve upon. We have begun the process preliminarily in engaging some community stakeholders, including people who work in the t. O. , use drugs, and other participants. We would also like to create ways for immediate and Community Feedback partners. Many of the partnerships will be Major Players into the referrals for the program. The program will be for providing transportation on leaving 180. We also plan to partner with many amazing organizations to create more linkages to refer back and forth and to coordinate with the services we offer. We have also received honest and generous feedback from many partners about specific considerations for that corner. This includes concerns that this program would be a negative presence in the area. Our hope is to be a positive presence with 24hour staff on hand. One consideration we would want to follow up on would be the ins and outs of safe passage and school sometimes. Another partnership we hope to build on is with the community of people who use drugs in the tenderloin. This program should have the voices and expertise of people who would use the services built in the structures and practices. We plan to formally engage in that process if this Program Moves forward by creating Community Feedback forums and other mechanisms. Ultimately this program is for them and we hope they would be able to guide its success. Thank you for nowing me to describe this program and please let me know if you have any questions. We have a number of speakers. I will call out five at a time. Hello, i live around the corner from the site. I am here on behalf of myself and many of my neighbors. We oppose the application. The families and children living and going to school nearby are already facing persistent Traumatic Stress and by diminishing their voices and concerns, you are continuing to oppress an alreadyoppressed population. The city has done a horrific job of disseminating information. When i spoke to an administrator at city academy, it was the first the administrator had heard of the site. The disregard and disrespect shown for residents in the tenderloin is infuriating. We have been given no concrete answer where this will go. Only the potential options. 6. 8 million is an outrageous amount of money for a 15month tent and that doesnt even meet the recommendations of the Methamphetamine Task force. Two of the recommendations were that it should be a calm environment. This is a 15bed tent on a loud corner surrounded by openair drug dealing. There has been littletono transparency regarding the budget or the position selection. I would like to request we are given a Second Public meeting in a room large enough to fit everyone with translation. The first meeting wasnt large enough to fit everyone and didnt have a spanish translator. Thank you for your time. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is joseph inervera. I am representing local 2. Our home for 13,000 members has been at the corner of golden gate avenue and living worth for 42 years. My family and i also live in the tenderloin since 1990. A block away from the proposed site of the methamphetamine Sobering Center. Local 2 strongly urges you to postpone any vote on the 180 jones facility until concerns regarding the proposed sites are addressed. More details regarding our concerns are contained in the letters you received from us. We are not opposed to this type of facility in our neighborhood, but you must work in partnership with the community to make it happen in the right way. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Thank you, commissioner. Rose mcguy. Were a member of treatment on demand also, part of this whole process. I just really want to add the major criticisms. You know, we can work with health right 360 to better the program, to make it unique to the program, et cetera. Thats not the problem here. The problem is that, again, the department did not bring the community in to design and have a discussion about what would be appropriate in this alreadytraumatized community. In the previous discussion about the Navigation Center at valencia, weve learned that youve got to take people where theyre at and build on it and problem solve. That didnt happen. It just didnt happen and now we have spilled milk that we have to try to put back in a bucket and it aint working. Whether its a delay which we would support, we have to problem solve at another level. You want to do equity work in a community thats been traumatized over the years of sending people from the avenues or whatever, trauma, trauma, trauma for the community. This has not been considered and its really bad organizing. I just really think that the department of Public Health has to learn its lesson. As dr. Bland said, this is an equity issue now that doesnt look good. Really, could you please Pay Attention to this and problem solve at this level. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, commissioners. Just quickly, i actually live over in the Mission District and just wanted to say that my wife and i 100 support the proposal for the hummingbird space there. I work for st. Anthoniny foundation. Weve been on the corner of golden gate and jones for 70 years. We really wanted to emphasize that weve had many conversations with folks from the community. We understand theres some anger around how this process went through, but that said to us this is an issue of urgency. People are dying in the street every single day. Many of our staff respond to overdoses, medical emergencies, see people die on that corner, in that corridor. We would welcome help from the city, department of Public Health, health right 360, glide. We believe the right people would be in place for that corner for people to get the help it needs. I know theres a lot of talk about postponing and i want to reiterate there is so much urgency around this issue. People are overdosing and dying every single day. Thanksgiving day i got off work and walked down the street and saw another person dead on that corner. I dont know how many more people have to die in the city before we take this absolutely seriously. As has been said before by paul, the reality is there is not a place for folks that are going through issues like this around methamphetamine use as a provider. We have nowhere to take folks right now and we would welcome any help to be able to bring our guests and our neighbors to a place that could help them on any level. Thank you so much. Thank you. As we have one more speaker called, i will call more. Im robert hoffman. I was called in the first round. I work as a director of the syringe access and disposal program. I have also lived in the neighborhood of the tenderloin for over 12 years. I see the people that could benefit from this program are part of this community already. They are already here. We would need multiple lowthreshold Services Like this pilot to serve the need that already exists in the neighborhood. I understand that there is a lot of fear to move forward with the project. I know people get concerned about the idea of moving people in from other neighborhoods, but we already have an urgent need to help people who are dying and who are suffering and are marginized in our neighborhood right now. So i fully support this project. In my position at the San Francisco aids foundation, we would partner to try to make this the most success we can with all the support that we can provide. So i guess thats what ill leave it at, but i think we need to move this forward, not postpone it. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. We support the project. Again, the argument is always that we support the project or that it shouldnt be here. Clearly theres repairing of trust that needs to be done between the department and the community. Im optimistic that can be accomplished with some Community Education and outreach, having the right conversations and the right meetings with the right folks at the table. I think the providers in this case are extremely experienced. The agencies that provide services in the area, compass being one of them, we see these problems every day. We see that people are suffering and dying in the street. Delaying is not going to solve the problem. We need solutions right now. We have to focus on biggerpicture issues, how were going to coordinate to solve the issues of homelessness and Substance Use. We need more interdepartmental coordination and roll out the vision thats been part of the Mental Health s. F. Planning. So from that perspective we have so many things to talk about and solve and delays and opposition are really getting in the way of providing people the care that we need today and also building the system to serve all of the people that need help. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. My name is anthony. I work with mary kate over at compass. Time and place, its the right place and its not the right time only because it should have been a while ago. Earlier it was brought up before this meeting started, some folks have communicated again like mary kate alluded to, why the tenderloin, we have so much drugs in the tenderloin, we have all these drug dealers in the tenderline. Why dont we open this thing up on Alcatraz Island or in Golden Gate Park and have people basically have to make a trek in order to have a place to sleep at night. The best location is the tenderloin. Thats where the need is. You all know that. Thats where the Service Needs to be. The time, again, its already too late for so many who have died and a delay is unconscionable. Its an emergency. We already know its an emergency. When its an emergency, you dont delay things like this. Of course from now until the 17th, there will be dialog from now until the 17th. There can be conversation between now and the 17th. There can be collaboration, but not a delay. If theres any entertainment of a delay, thats a clear statement that this is not an emergency. When it comes to it, if theres a fire in this place, can we have as much consultation as we want . No. But we have to get out if we want to survive. There are folks who are in a place where they need to get the support now. So again, you cant deny that this is an emergency. A delay is unconscionable. Thank you for your work and please keep working on this project. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. [speaking spanish] [speaking spanish] [speaking spanish] [speaking spanish]. Good afternoon. What i would like is another Community Meeting where the community can actually vote as a gro gro group, one that involves interpreting for all languages, one that actually reaches out to schools and organizations and families because were all part of a community, a community that has been traumatized. What we would like is for our voices to be heard. We are families of young people, of children, of elderly, of adolescent adolescents. Since were talking about it, where is the budget for families that have been through such horrible things that we cant even explain to our own kids how someone can end up like the people were seeing. So were in favor of this, but we want to do it as a family and we want to have compassion, but we want to be able to explain this to our children and as a community. I feel my heart broken, but i need to ask for compassion and justice to be done. I would like us to be one community at some point, the people that are homeless, the families, the doctors, the commissioners. So im asking for another meeting with us. Thank you very much. Next, please. Thank you. My name is randy orovelo. I think i have a keen perspective on this. Not only am i a former methamphetamine user, im a pure navigator at glide. I go into the community where people are actively uses and try to get them to help get services. I sleep at that corner. Every night i set up my tent and every morning at 6 00 i take it down. Every night on jones, there is a whole row of tents. People are dying. Other drugs are being used. This cant be delayed. It needs to be done now. I help people in the community, but i also am part of that community. I am on the street literally. We really need to get this thing off the ground and going. As were waiting for the next speaker, ill call the next five. My name is lidia brampton. Thank you for allowing me to speak again. I would like to address the gentleman who just spoke. He said something which i think is really valid to this conversation, and that was that he sets up his tent every evening. He sleeps outside st. Anthoninys, and in the morning at 6 00 he takes it down. Why 6 00 . Because we have a Community Agreement. We have a Community Agreement with the community that lives both in houses on the 100 block of golden gate and on the street of golden gate. We came up with an arrangement with gubio project where they open up earlier, where if people want to continue resting, they can go into the church. We wash the streets at the end of the day and in the morning. We keep the environment clean not just for the pedestrians walking by, but also for the people who are sleeping on those streets. We can do the same thing outside of this program. That street right now is unsafe for the people having to live on it during the evenings, in their tents, on a cardboard box, barriers that keep getting put up. D. P. W. Comes and takes their stuff. People dump their trash on the street which ends up back into the community. We come up with Community Agreements to make this street better, not just for the people who need the service, but the people who live around the service. Thank you. My name is rose juliano. I wanted to voice support for the 180 project today, but also to say from my own personal experience at the Reduction Center that we low that lowthreshold Harm Reduction Services Like this work. There are no 24hour services for folks living on the street in the tenderloin. There are Many Services for folks using opiates, but really nothing for folks using methamphetamine. This is a great step in the right direction for folks who are out there. I want to say thank you and we support the project. Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, supervisors. My name is joe. I live at geary and jones and im fortunate enough to work at st. Anthonys foundation at golden gate and jones. I see this problem all the time. I was struck listening to the opening conversation on what the city is doing to prepare for the coronavirus. Its fascinating to me that all of this money has been freed up and resources have been rearranged to deal with something that may be coming in some form we dont understand. Right now we are in the midst of an epidemic. I live right in the middle of it. Why do you put a temporary tent up in the tenderloin . Because you meet the crisis where it is. You dont build a permanent building where a tornado is hit. You put a tent up and get the crisis workers in there to deal with the issue. I see children all the time stepping over needles. I see them pointing and crying at people that are frankly in the midst of methamphetamine addiction. Theyre taking their clothes off, theyre screaming. It is traumatizing. If were worried about those things in the tenderloin, lets remember right now the city is currently rebuilding a playground across the street from a strip club. So im sure that there are more than enough awkward conversations going on in the tenderloin. There is a sex club on jones street that shares space with afterschool programs. Children are exposed to a lot whether we want to be comfortable with that or not. I think getting people into a Sobering Center so they can come down off the high and be exposed to other options in their life is a god send for a community right now that is constantly traumatized. I just want to add that i lost a friend who died of an overdose right there on jones and geary. That would have been a few blocks away from this center. So i am very much in favor of it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Amy fairwise with the st. Francis homelessness challenge. 180 jones, just the name of it, elicits such love in my heart and mind and you might wonder why. Thats because weve spent hundreds of hours there with our organization when supervisor haney and someone from st. Anthonys told us maybe we could use that site as an interim use. We started to do the work at the site and engaged with the sheltered, unsheltered, and housed neighbors around that area doing that work, hundreds of hours. I dont know if you know we did an r. F. P. Process, did everything we were asked to do. The Mayors Office made the decision to stop that process at the very last minute and put in this project. Now, thats egregious, thats terrible planning. Everyone here agrees. That was the Mayors Office. That wasnt department of Public Health, health right, glide, it was the Mayors Office. Now, you would think, oh, they took the place where you were trying to do your work, a safe, organized space at no cost to the city, by the way. Ours was fully funded and we wanted to activate it months ago, talk about crisis. The Mayors Office decided to do this. Were not opposing this, were supporting it. I think with paul and glide and health right 360 doing this, its going to be a Great Program and its actually going to alleviate a lot of the concerns here, so i want to reiterate that. Its a big price tag, 6. 8 million. One thing that were asking is we have done interviews and have organized lots of the unsheltered people that live in that area. We would like a small part of that budget, 50,000, to go to peer organizers so we can do the work in the neighborhood, to partner with dr. Anton nigusse bland and others to do that. There should be 10,000 for a community council. And i want to say People Living there on the street have all been offered Navigation Center. Thats a really good thing. It took this project happening before the people i have been working with for a year got offered services. The city should do everything all over because people will be offered services. Thank you. Next speaker, please. As we get to the remaining speakers i will call john shoulder and jason alverson. I want to acknowledge amys activism and commitment to the community. I want to say i believe in this project this project gets my endorsement. Ive got 20 years in the tenderloin so i feel like i know what im talking about. At glide ive done 10 years of community building. I walk the streets. I do syringe sweeps and i see whats happening on the ground and i work with the partners. Even the folks who disagree, i want to commend the tenderloin for not having a kneejerk reaction here. Theyre saying you didnt include us enough. As we move forward as this project happens, they will be included for sure. We build with community, not just for them, but with them. This is an asset for the community. This will be a 24hour center where people will be taken care of, thats what were talking about here. I dont even know if this exists in the country yet. The location is always going to be complained about, but when you talk about wanting trau traumainformed responses, thats what this is because of the situation. I dont want to play one house versus another game, but people are dying needlessly because we dont have centers where they can come and be safe. This is a center that will immediately reduce the impact on people. Its not just people coming in and having a bed and a tent, this is a bridge to multiple services and an connection of lots of collaborations that will have the regard for people who use drugs and their health and wellbeing. Youll see a healthier tenderloin having this asset. Do not wait this muchneeded asset. Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon. My name is john shoulder. Im the night manager for 249 eddie tndc and we have a sister building right next store. I also volunteer in the community with street soccer u. S. A. And work with youth in the community. Someone was quoted earlier as saying after the last presentation that they were really excited about the last presentation because the silos began collaborating. Theres been no collaboration, especially with the community. Im embarrassed if this is the best our city can do. During the one and only Community Meeting i was called as a spanish translator after the meeting already had begun. Not only was there no translators, there wasnt sufficient space for those who wanted to attend. And the leaders abruptly ended the meeting without hearing the voices of those in the room. If they cant run a Community Meeting, how can we trust them to run a program of this magnitude. If its an emergency and another emergency is created, its allfornaug allfornaught. There was no voices from the neighborhood. The location selection which one of the leaders said the reasons being selected, number one, is the urgency. Given this presentation we just saw, that shows the proposal and process is embarrassingly unprofessional. One of the leaders from this project is hoping to work with the community and i plead that you delay this vote to my neighbors have a chance to be heard. [ please stand by ] this is an illness, methamphetamine use, that is profoundly isolating and profound profoundly destructive. It potentially destroys or it can destroy people. In the 1970s, we said that speed kills, and this does more than kill. It kills the self, and it kills the ability to be a part of the community. To engage with these folks who are strung out, who have no other options, who are meth dependent is completely necessary if were going to consign a segment of our community to disability, to mortality, and to psychosis. There is no choice. This is engagement, this is where it starts. This is the beginning, this is where, deep down, the spirit meets the bone. I urge you to vote yes on this proposal. Thank you so much for hearing me today. Thank you. Are there any other speakers that i didnt call or perhaps they i didnt pronounce correctly . Hi. Im colleen rebecca. Im the director of community policy, organizing, and developing for tenderloin development corporation. I just wanted to come up and make sure that its clear that everyone knows that t. D. C. Is a company that doesnt have a position opposing or supporting the center right now. Part of that is because the community process, if we can call it that, that has happened so far regarding the center has been so poor that it has actually taken a lot of our residents and Community Members who were supporting things like the like Safe Injection Sites and other things and has turned them into opposing just because of how disrespectful how the city was in presenting this to the community a few weeks ago. And we have a lot of constituents and stakeholders that are really concerned, and we also have a lot of people who see the need for this type of this type of program in the neighborhood. Speaking only so because we havent been only to reach concenab concensus within our community and the different stakeholders in the organization, were stepping back now and trying to listen. And hopefully this this delay will allow us to have another Community Conclusion that can include more people and can also address some of the Unanswered Questions about how this program will run, ensuring that were not dumping people back onto the street after theyve been in this program, because that is not a good model, and some of other issues that were concerned about. Seeing that this is really a program that that works on a Harm Reduction model, and thats respectful to people that use drugs. Thank you. Thank you very much. I have no other public speakers at this time. Before i go to colleague questions, ill ask dr. Colfax for any statements or comments. Thank you. I just want to say with regard to the recommendation of the meth task force, at mayor breeds request, i chaired this task force along with supervisor raphael mandelman, and its certainly in keeping with the recommendations with Mental Health reform and in the broader context of Mental Health s. F. I do want to express regret for the community process. We are certainly committed at the Health Department to improving that work. One of the as ive listened, i think theres a lot of things that we can do together here. There are actually a number of of ideas proposed that i think we need to have further discussion on. Perhaps here, but in another Community Meeting. We will be scheduling that Community Meeting. We will be doing our best to find adequate space and interpretation. I think that thats very key. I heard that, and really committed to not only listening more but being responsive to to as many of your concerns as possible and also recognizing that were committed to the integrity of the program and working to do that in partnership with the community. So we will schedule that meeting prior to march 17 to get more to have additional conversations and input from people here and other stakeholders who may not have been able to be here tonight. Thank you, dr. Colfax, and thank you for, you know, speaking about the need for the meeting, which i believe its quite clear that such would be very important before we actually go onto a vote on the contract on march 17. Commissioners, questions at this point . Let me go to commissioner chung, because she had some questions from our previous committee, and it was deferred to now. Well, thank you, commissioner chow. So the first questions i have is because of the uniqueness of that neighborhood, because theres a whole corridor of other, like, social services, you know, like Health Clinic and tndc. How are you working with these organizations moving forward . So id actually like to call up paul harkin, the director of 360. Hes worked in the tenderloin for decades and has some really nice ideas about how to do that. So yeah, the tenderloins at good with partnerships. And in my work at glide, i was involved in partnerships with st. Antonys, the sheriffs department, naloxone reversal. I partnered with the agencies like homeless coalition, people that have been involved in many different initiatives that are improving the wellbeing of marginalized folks, particularly with people with Mental Health issues and experiencing homelessness. So i do not see any reason that this, if it gets selected to go on forward, wont utilize the is partnerships that are wont utilize the partnerships that are available because it is beneficial to have this up and running. And once people get the trust back with the way the process worked, i certainly believe that it will be seen as a model and an arrangement that can be replicated in other districts, in fact, other jurisdictions because theres nothing like this right now. Everything has been opioid focused, and opioid treatments are incredible. But meth treatment is very little because more people are dying of meth overdoses than opioid doses in this city. And what really caught my attention was the Police Department can be a referral point, as well, like, thats kind of, like, unusual because, like, for the Police Officers, they have two different ways of handling these situations, right . One of them is bring them to 850 bryant, and one of them is bring them to emergency services. So this seemed to, like, open up, like, tools for the Law Enforcement to use. So are you planning to train the officers around that . I think, you know, if you look at the l. E. A. D. Model, where we have Law Enforcementassisted diversion, where we dont want Law Enforcement bringing people to our building because weve got a traumainformed care building. Were seen and coming and liberating that person, so its, like, do not go to jail, come with us. Similarly, we dont want police to rile up and drop them at the door. Well probably be sharing with them some of the criteria. We would say this comes here, versus someone is an extreme health dangerous, this is where theyre not going to be coming because were going to have a sweet spot of folks that were going to meet with. I have meet with the tenderloin substation, and weve talked about training the midnight shift, when this is going to be the only service open and interesting a team ready at all times, like First Responders for the teams to be able to call for the warm handoff that paul just described. Future models may include also training hsoc officers, but right now, were just focused on the tenderloin substation. Thank you. I have some other comments, but ill let the other commissioners for now. Thank you. [inaudible] i just want to say that as a native san franciscan, i spent my late 60s and early 70s in grade school and high School Every Day in the tenderloin at my fathers barber shop on hyde and turk. I have a very personal interest in seeing that the neighborhood returns back to the kind of neighborhood where a tenyearold can take the bus in the tenderloin, play in the streets, and feel safe, so this is not just questions from a commissioner on the commission. And so i at the same time, however, as i have a personal interest in not delaying a response to this crisis, which has actually been a crisis for a long time. I also spent my adult years as an advocate for Community Input and process, and i feel that we cant ignore the voices. That even though expediency is important in this, wanting to respond quickly to the need, i also feel that oftentimes, the voices that are most impacted in the community who cant come to meetings like this because theyre either working, or theyre at home, back at home, taking care of their kids, or theyre trying to find some transportation to meetings, we dont get to hear from them, or we hear from them by proxy. So i feel very committed to making sure that there is additional opportunity for community voice, and im very glad to hear from director colfax that there will be. This isnt going to be something thats going to be solved as easily. As much as we want smiwift action, we have to make sure that the program is successful is a surety. I just want to let you know, as a member of the commission, this is something we have to consider carefully and consider the right solutions [inaudible] thank you. Dr. Colfax, thank you for requesting another Community Meeting. My only concern is our next Commission Meeting is in two weeks, and im not complete sure that were going to have enough time within this period to notify the community of the next meeting so we can plan and have the input. So id just like to raise that as a concern because i do believe that the Community Input is extremely important. I do know that the school had not been notified until a couple of days ago. And from the feedback, i have heard from a number of organizations that work with the kids that neighborhood which, of course, there are ten of them there is a big safety concern. And i know youre addressing with the time of discharge, and i am hoping that you have done enough homework to know that the discharge of the kids from the schools is at various times, anywhere from 2 00 to 5 30. I know the underlying issue is not to support the center, but its safety. Im hoping that you would be able to bring back to us a much more significant and detailed safety plan for the center before we go forward. Thank you. Commissioner green . Yes. Well, i wanted to thank everyone for their presentations, and the elegance and compassion everyone is here with. Everyone is here to solve a problem, and with these issues, i think theres universal pledges, and im truly moved by many of the comments that people have made here. Im wondering by the next meeting you could give us more information about community safety, and what you plan, visavis, Community Input. And, also, when we might receive reports. Im hearing it should be far greater frequent and with far greater detail that already go in there. What im hearing is that children in this community and adults in this community have experienced trauma of their own, seeing whats going on in the streets. And im wondering if thats part of your program and how you plan to address that. I can speak a little bit to that now. Health right has already spoken with the tenderloin to do an Impact Program that dates back to the start of this, which weve heard has been really messy, to include that, to take seriously the concerns that have already occurred, and also, see going forward, if some of our attempts can do that. Also, well be conducting evaluations of thissum practice. I think to begin with, were going to be doing weekly reportouts, so that would be in conjunction with the department of Public Health, and you are right. It would be much more frequent and more detailed than the Hummingbird Program. We can go into more detail about this at the next meeting, accountability going forward. We at health right are committed to that, and we do take our integrity seriously, and weve been a provider in a lot of different neighborhoods and have had similar experiences on both sides, and so we really understand and appreciate that you all are advocating for that, and i appreciate the personal story behind that. I feel that, too, and were very committed to that, so we can absolutely provide more detail on that at the next meeting. Thank you. Commissioner chung . So thank you for the presentations again, and thank you for all the input. Like i mentioned earlier, you know, in the committee meeting, you know, this is really actually personal for me not just because i believe these programs work. Its because ive worked in the neighborhood on eddy street. One of my clients died in his room without the ability to get services, and ive also worked along the corridor, you know, doing outreach services. Knowing where that corner is and whats going on right now, i think thats actually pretty much a really good place. Youre almost putting, like, a Crisis Center at, like, the epicenter where the activities are happening. And ive also been working in the Substance Abuse services before. I still remember, like, referring folks with, like, alcohol withdrawals to alcohol centers. Thats a while ago, and theyre willing to just stay on the floor, waiting for the bed to open. Thats how scared some of these programs are. And thats the first time that ive heard were going to do anything for methamphetamine users. I dont believe theres anything like this anywhere in the country, am i correct . Thats my understanding, as well. So it means the whole world is looking at us, how we respond to that and how were going to continue to develop this program. And i appreciate you saying, you know, that theres going to be regular report back. And part of it, im sewereous because the neighborhood seems to think theyre not being informed enough. How would you engage them and allow a space im serious because the neighborhood seems to think theyre not being informed enough. How would you engage them and allow a space for them to find out . I know the commission has ways for people who cant be here for meetings to submit comments, so figuring outweighs to do that. Also, making sure that staff and leaders are known in the neighborhoods, that they know they have a contact that they can reach. Those are just a few things. And again, part of the model is outreach into the community to gather participants, and so really being a participant in that way. Yeah. So what ive heard from the Public Comment, its not that anybodys opposed to anything like that being implemented, but its more like how to engage them in this process and find a way to build that relationship. I think its pretty clear that the you know, the main thing that, you know, people want to know. So i appreciate you saying that and appreciate all you adding all that transparency to that. But it also looks in the timeline that you havent set a date for that to open yet, so thats kind of, like, flexible. So it doesnt affect how we plan to move this forward. So we can approve the contract for the services. The rest is going back to director, your court, and to healthright 360 in terms of, you know, how to plan, you know, the program itself and how to continue to engage the nake neighborhood. So, yeah, i think thats what i heard, and i feel pretty comfortable. Thank you. Thank you. Any further comments . If not, i think ill try to sum up where we are. Were very grateful that the input that the community has given and the time that we were spent. Many of you were here at 2 00, and it shows a dedication and importance of this topic, one in which everyone here has said they want to help resolve, and i think, then, the departments offer to at least begin with that second meeting well, the next meeting of the community, and this time, with the appropriate people there and clearly, schools need to be there, the people who are actually right on the scene, some of the partners that health right is talking about, all of that so we could receive answers back to what we have all heard and feel comfortable about it. This does not preclude that future meetings, obviously, would not be needed, and a solution doesnt have to really come out of just one single meeting, but the beginning of looking towards a way will take the immediate problem, which everybody has greagreed is an emergency, and working with the neighborhood. I think someone told us that everybody in the tenderloin had worked off times when the kids would be off the streets and went back i mean, those types of arrangements are important to be able to Work Together and yet answer the very important need. For the commission, we will take this up as a potential item on march 17 as calendared. On the contract . Yes. Well consider a vote on that . Yes, as a topic in regards to the contract. Obviously, it does reflect all of the discussions of today because the performance of the contract is very dependent upon us understanding how that is going to be. Commissioners at that time, then, can decide on what it would like to also understand in terms of are there further actions after that, and it will be an action item for the commission, so i would ask that the commission think now at this time during the next several weeks, also, our homework is to how we can figure out how to make this an Effective Program to answer the great need that we have all been expressing today. So with that, i believe that, again, we really thank all of you who have taken the time to help all of us and help our city to find a solution, one solution that we are facing with our homeless, with those that are actually needing help, and with our communities, also. I believe that commissioner chung has something to say . Yes, commissioner chung. I have two things. One is for clarification. This seems like two different things, right . One is to approve the contract because, you know, that is what the Mayors Office had set aside for this initiative. The other is helping facilitate conversations between the community and, you know, the department and, like, healthright 360, so its not the same. No. Obviously, approving the contract is quite different and has to do with the services that the contractor had. How the contractor does that, however, is pertinent, and how what you said, how it would work with the community and with those in need, all of that is pertinent and makes sense. And i think these questions can wait until next time for answers because, like, we as commissioners are, like, very mindful of general funds. Like, were trying to make sure that outside of general funds, there are other resources that will fund this as things move forward. So the next time when you come to do the presentations, it would be good, you know, to know what what that part is, you know . Is this, like, a oneyear deal or is this something that has already been planned, you know, with kind of a vision moving forward . Thank you. Right. And i appreciate that, commissioner chung. That goes, also, to that question that was out there. If this is the temporary site, what is it that were looking for, and what type of approach . And either that comes from our department or others that tracks how this program ultimately will be successful. Any other comments or questions from our commission . Okay. Then again, we thank the public for the time that you have spent. We hope that you would also engage within the Community Meetings to actually have additional dialogue, and at our next meeting, we will hear some of the results of that. And with that, well go onto the next item, please. Id like to also thank our d. P. H. Translator who assisted during the meeting today, which shows just how important translation can be. Clerk so item 10 is other business, and commissioners, ill note to you that your march 12 meeting is at 10 30, not 10 00, as we had originally thought, so make sure you have that in your calendars. Item 11 is a report back from the csfjcc meeting. I think the majority of those i did report back on the directors report. We otherwise did the regulatory report at j. C. C. , the c. E. O. S report, the h. R. Report, and also took on the medical staff report. And the presentations included the quality measure update on the true north scorecard. These are all on track or else somewhat behind partly because of epic in terms of trying to get the right measures with the right types of data in order to actually use that. So we understood that has a problem. In open session, we approved ophthalmology and cardiology changes, and we had closed session. So dr. Green was part of that meeting. I dont know if she wants to add anything . I think well summarized. Thank you. Clerk and commissioners, now youre at motion for adjournment. So motion for adjournment is in order. So moved. And a second . Second. All those in favor, say aye, and none opposed, and we are now adjourned. Thank you. [gavel] roughly five years, i was working as a high school teacher, and i decided to take my students on a surfing field trip. The light bulb went off in my head, and i realized i could do much more for my students taking them surfing than i could as their classroom teacher, and that is when the idea for the city surf project was born. Working with kids in the ocean that arent familiar with this space is really special because youre dealing with a lot of fear and apprehension but at the same time, a lot of excitement. When i first did it, i was, like, really scared, but then, i did it again, and i liked it. Well get a group of kids who have just never been to the beach, are terrified of the idea, who dont like the beach. Its too cold out, and its those kid that are impossible to get back out of the water at the end of the day. Over the last few years, i think weve had at least 40 of our students participate in the city surf project. Surfing helped me with, like, how to swim. Weve start off with about two to four sessions in the pool before actually going out and surfing. Swimming at the pool just helps us with, like, being, like, comfortable in the water and being calm and not being all not being anxious. So when we started the city surf project, one of the things we did was to say hey, this is the way to earn your p. E. Credits. Just getting kids to go try it was one of our initial challenges for the first year or two. But now that weve been doing it three or four years, we have a group of kids thats consistent, and the word has spread, that its super fun, that you learn about the ocean. Starting in the morning, you know, i get the vehicles ready, and then, i get all the gear together, and then, i drive and go get the kids, and we take them to a local beach. We usually go to linda mar, and then occasionally ocean beach. We once did a special trip. We were in capitola last year, and it was really fun. We get in a circle and group stretch, and we talk about specific safety for the day, and then, we go down to the water. Once we go to the beach, i dont want to go home. I cant change my circumstances at home, but i can change the way i approach them. Our program has definitely been a way for our students to find community and build friends. I dont really talk to friends, so i guess when i started doing city surf, i started to, like, get to know people more than i did before, and people that i didnt think id like, like, ended up being my best friends. Its a group sport the way we do it, and with, like, close camaraderie, but everybodys doing it for themselves. Its great, surfing around, finding new people and making new friendships with people throughout surfing. It can be highly developmental for students to have this time where they can learn a lot about themselves while negotiating the waves. I feel significantly, like, calmer. It definitely helps if im, like, feeling really stressed or, like, feeling really anxious about surfing, and i go surfing, and then, i just feel, like, im going to be okay. It gives them resiliency skills and helps them build selfconfidence. And with that, they can use that in other parts of their lives. I went to bring amy family o the beach and tell them what i did. I saw kids open up in the ocean, and i got to see them connect with other students, and i got to see them fail, you know, and get up and get back on the board and experience success, and really enjoy themselves and make a connection to nature at the same time. For some kids that are, like, resistant to, like, being in a Mentorship Program like this, its they want to surf, and then later, theyll find out that theyve, like, made this community connection. I think they provided level playing fields for kids to be themselves in an open environment. For kids to feel like i can go for it and take a chance that i might not have been willing to do on my own is really special. We go on 150 surf outings a year. Thats yearround programming. Weve seen a tremendous amount of youth face their fears through surfing, and that has translated to growth in other facets of their lives. I just think the biggest thing is, like, that they feel like that they have something that is really cool, that theyre engaged in, and that we, like, care about them and how theyre doing, like, in general. What i like best is they really care about me, like, im not alone, and i have a group of people that i can go to, and, also, surfing is fun. Were creating surfers, and were changing the face of surfing. The feeling is definitely akin to being on a roller coaster. Its definitely faster than i think you expect it to be, but its definitely fun. It leaves you feeling really, really positive about what that kids going to go out and do. I think its really magical almost. At least it was for me. It was really exciting when i caught my first wave. I felt like i was, like it was, like, magical, really. When they catch that first wave, and their first lights up, you know their face lights up, you know you have them hooked. I was on top of the world. Its amazing. I felt like i was on top of the world even though i was probably going two miles an hour. It was, like, the scariest thing id ever done, and i think it was when i got hooked on surfing after [roll call] you have a quorum. Item 3 announcement of prohibition of soundproducing devises. The ringing of use of cellphones and pagers and sound producing electric devices are prohibited and the chair may over the removal from the room of any person responsibility for one going off in the middle of the meeting. The minutes of february 18th, 2020 regular meeting. No members have turned in a public speaker card. Public comment is closed. We have the minutes ill entertain a motion. Move. Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed. Consider those approved