weight, my weight, my phone rang during the show. >> that is 70 me. but it won't happen tonight. >> you know, lawrence, it has been a long week. >> it has, and that neil is going to join us tonight to talk about the supreme court decisions, and i need this. because i like neil gorsuch's. i don't know the difference between nitrous oxide and whatever the other thing is. which chris hayes and you both explain beautifully and i have already forgotten. but ■çhe is going to take me through it again. >> he is the guy to have. it is a big day at the high court, i will be watching. >> thanks, alex. >> have a great show. >> thank you. okay, 24 hours later, if you're ready for some calm analysis about what we all saw last night this is the place to be for the next hour. the very first thing you need to know about what we all saw last night is that most voters didn't see it. it was the lowest rated presidential debate in a very long time. it had the smallest audience of any first presidential debate, first in a series. in the 21st century. and only about one third of the people who voted in the last presidential election actually watched the debate. only 51 million viewers out of■ç 155 million voters who voted last time. so two thirds of the voters didn't see a second of what happened last night. and that is an important number to have in mind when you consider the impact of residential debates, because everyone who thinks that that thing last night with some kind of big problem for joe biden believes, without evidence, that the debate changed the minds of undecided voters, even though undecided voters are the most likely kind of people to not watch debates, like last night. in 1980, when we had about half of the voting population we have now, half the voting population we have now. the presidential debate got 80 ç million viewers. almost every voter watched that debate. in 1980, 85 million votes were cast in the presidential election and 80 million people watched that debate. that is a big difference. faithful audiences of this program will know that i have, and every presidential campaign season, insisted repeatably that these so-called debates, that were invented by and for television, do not test anything that is actually part of the daily job of the presidency. no one ever runs into the oval office and says mr. president, you have two minutes to explain your position on some subject. presidents discuss one subject at time■ç in the oval office. they do it in detail for as long as they want or a short as they want. they read roofing papers if their name is not trump about that subject before each of those discussions. most presidencies never have an emergency, a run in the room emergency. there is never a moment when someone rushes in giving the president an immediate emergency problem that the president has to solve. that did happen to one of those candidates on the stage last night. and when he faced that emergency his choice was to do absolutely nothing for 187 minutes. he froze for 187 minutes on january 6th while his supporters were attacking the capital and trying to overturn the "j(residential election through violence. last night in donald trump's first debate appearance since january 6th, the debate moderators did not ask him what the january 6th committee very much wanted to ask him, what were you doing for those 107 minutes? instead of that hugely important question, the very first question written by a committee, as these questions always are in these kinds of debates, the very first question to donald trump was you want to impose a 10% tariff on all goods coming into the u.s. how will you ensure that that doesn't drive prices even higher? trump, it's not going to drive them higher< that's it. that was the answer. a tariff, by definition, is an increase in price. that is the very point of tariffs, to increase the consumer price of imported goods. everything from clothes to cars. in trump's case, a 10% increase on the price of every single thing imported into the united states. so a new $4000 tax you would pay on a $40,000 car. that $40,000 car becomes a $44,000 car because of donald trump's terrace. this debate, that wasn't a real debate, pretended the tariffs are not tariffs . the better question would been what is a terrorist? ■ç because he proved last night he does not know, and he proved that his true believers do not know what a tariff is. donald trump said that his terrorists are going to force china, quote, to pay us a lot of money. that is the very first of donald trump's long list of lies, over 50 of them in that so-called debate. american tariffs can only be paid by american consumers of those goods. a 10% tariff on 10 chinese goods will not cause anyone in china one penny. it will not cost the government of china a penny. no business in china will be cost a penny by a trumpet tariff . this is the kind of lie that no presidential debater would ever have attempted to tell prior to donald trump, and it was the least of his ■çlies. >> i didn't have sex with a porn start. >> you now live in a country where most of the public commentators with access to microphones declared the liar the winner of the debate, and the loser, in their view, was the older man with the weaker voice, who struggles to tell the truth in a ridiculous format that he is no longer any good at. and that has nothing to do with the job of president. a format that does not test the job of president. most of the coverage of the event encourages actively the voters to look at that as superficially as possible, and focus only on what the commentators call the performance, and never ■(he policy. the word panic started showing up on banners on your television screens, and then, of course, came the unrealistic notions that there is a magical candidate who can emerge to pick up the banner, as the democratic presidential nominee. not one person who makes that suggestion has said who that magical candidate is, and how, and through what process the nomination could be delivered to that magical candidate. the new york times editorial encouraging joe biden to leave the race published tonight, at least in its, perhaps inadvertently at the end, that the new york times does not have any idea how this should happen, because the editorial says the democrats must, quote, create a process to select someone ■çmore capable to stand in his place to defeat mr. trump in november. create a process, because the process does not exist, and there is no polling data to even begin to suggest that that candidate exists. there is no polling data. the other democrats, the only other democrat to this day that has ever pulled well against donald trump, the only democrat who has pulled strongly against donald trump is joe biden. the second best polling candidate among democrats against donald trump is actually vice president, harris. the magiccl@■dream candidates are completely unknown to most people in the country. governors of states like california, michigan, pennsylvania. and not one of those governors polled anywhere close to kamala harris or joe biden against donald trump. and not one of those governors has ever raised one dollar of campaign funding that can be used in a federal presidential campaign. they don't have any to run with. and that is not a minor technical point. campaign money is not some minor technicality. i heard this talk once before on the democratic side, in 1992. at exactly this point in the calendar, in june, when bill clinton was running third at a tiny 25% of the vote against ross perot's leading 39%, and president george h.w. bush■ç's 31%. and there was panic in the halls of congress above that, where i was working at the time. there was much talk of trying to replace bill clinton as the nominee, even though he had the nomination locked up through the primaries. there was talk of somehow getting the governor of new york, who already refused to run for president that year, to take the nomination somehow away from bill clinton. or george mitchell, then majority leader of the united states senate. and i knew george mitchell and worked with george mitchell in those days, and i knew that talk about george mitchell was preposterous. and it was being pushed by other members of congress, including senators, who knew absolutely nothing about the complexity of run@ng a presidential campaign. they were all dreaming about something none of them knew how to do. and in the end, all that panic was for nothing. bill clinton won. he won with 43% of the vote. the next time we saw this kind of panic was on the republican side in 2016, when the access hollywood video came out and prominent republicans started pulling their endorsements from donald trump that very day. and talking about finding a way to replace him as their nominee. republican congressman jason chaffetz made his one and only appearance on that program that night, when the access hollywood tape broke and he said this. >> i can't, you 7jnow, my wife and i have a 15-year-old daughter. how in the world could i look my 15-year-old daughter in the eye and say honey, you know what? your dad endorses donald trump for president. i can't do that. and i won't do that. and i am withdrawing my endorsement. >> he wasn't the only one. a bunch of endorsements were withdrawn that day. no endorsements, none have been withdrawn from joe biden. none. jason chaffetz's daughter is now 23 years old and she has watched her father fully endorsed donald trump for president three times now. three times in a row, because only 19 days after jason chaffetz said that here on this program he reversed himself■ç a announced that he was voting for donald trump for president, and he did not explain to anyone how he explained that to his daughter. and we know who won that election. in fact, no party has ever abandoned a nominee. the last time we saw something close to it, a presumptive nominee drop out of the race, was in march of 1968 when president lyndon johnson announced he would not run for re-election. his vice president, hubert humphrey, who did not run in a single primary, won the nomination at the convention in chicago because back in those days most of the delegates went to the convention free to vote for anyone. that has never happened again, because of a rules change beginning in 1972 they created the current system of voters choosing the nominee throughtk" and it is worth noting in 1968, which you can read all about in my book about that presidential campaign, called playing with fire, hubert humphrey lost that election to republican richard nixon by less than 1% of the vote in the humphrey campaign, quite reasonably, blamed their loss on not being able to raise enough money in so short a time and not having enough time to build a presidential campaign around a candidate who was forced to enter the race so late and not run in a single primary. we won't get our first major clues about the effect of last night's debate, which was not seen by most voters, until polls began to emerge sometime next week. focus groups■ç last night indicated no real shifts among voters. there is an overnight poll indicating no shifts among voters. one of the striking things about focus group responses is that they knew donald trump was lying most of the time, even without donald trump being formally fact checked at the event. with the debate behind them, both candidates got back on the campaign trail today. >> we win here, we win the election. and this is how we are going to do it. we are going to stand up for the women of america. we are going to restore roe v wade as the law of the land. we are going to stand up for the right to vote. and we are going ■çto stand up for medicare and social security. we are going to fight for child care, paid leave, and eldercare. and we are going to keep lowering the cost of prescription drugs, not just for seniors, but for every single american. we are going to keep protecting the affordable care act. which is why more than 40 million americans have health insurance today. we are going to protect our children and get the weapons of war off our streets. we are going to provide clean drinking water, affordable high- speed internet, quality education for every child in america. we are going to secure our ■ç border and protect legal immigration. and, unlike the other guy, we are going to stand up to dictators like newton -- putin, because america vows that no one ever. and we are going to keep dealing with the climate crisis. >> global warming is fine. >> how about the fact that out of his 44 top advisers, including the vice president, aren't supporting him this time around? the people that know him best. 40 of them is that i will not support the man i work for this time around. it tells you a lot about the person who ■çknows him. he lied about how great he was on crime. i had to remind him that he oversaw a record increase in murder rates in 2020. on my watch violent crime has had a 50 year low. there is more to do. then i pointed out that the only convicted criminal on stage last night was donald trump. when i thought about his 34 felony convictions, his sexual assault on a woman in a public place as being fine, $400 million for business fraud. i thought to myself donald trump is not just a convicted felon. donald trump is a one-man crime wave. >> biden's department of justice has wrongly prosecuted hundreds of americans for peacefully protesting on january 6th. ■ç >> and then his biggest lie. he lied about how he had nothing to do with the insurrection on january 6th. we all saw with our own eyes. we watched it on television. we thought thousands of insurrectionist attacked the capital. we saw police being attacked. the capital being ransacked. a mob hunting for speaker pelosi. gallows literally set up for mike pence. and then he told them as he sat in the dining room, the private dining room one door off my oval office, he sat there for three hours watching the tv. he did not a single thing to stop it. nothing at all. i know we have more to do to get prices down. we have to take"çon corporate greed. they are making twice the profit they were before the pandemic. we've got to make housing more affordable. provide childcare. make the tax code fair. 16 nobel winners of the economic nobel prize have looked at my economic plan this week and issued a report, and trump's plan. here is what they concluded. they said that my plan would continue to grow the economy and bring down inflation. 16 nobel laureates. and trump's's plan would send the nation into recession and inflation soaring through the roof. >> all they know is electric. they want electric army tanks. they want electric planes. what happens if the sun isn't shining while you are up in the air? well, i told you there would"çb problems, sir. no, they want electric everything. >> folks, >> folks, i don't walk as easy as i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do now. i know how to tell the truth. i know right from wrong. and i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done. and i know, like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down you get back up.ç >> coming up after this break we will be joined by stuart stevens, who ran the last sane republican presidential campaign. and john howland will be reporting us, his reporting always digs deep into president campaigns. and selena maxwell will be with us. she actually talk to voters today. that is next. ♪) plateau de fromage! 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>> look, i think you always ask yourself in campaigns, would you rather be my guy or the other guy? i would rather be joe biden in this race. i don't think any of the structure of the race change last night. and i think we are seeing that in the polls. it was interesting, this morning's pole came back and showed joe biden going up one. after the first debate with carrie he dropped at least five. i think president obama dropped at least the same when he debated president romney.■ç i think somehow or another we went crazy thinking donald trump would win an election with 42.6% of the vote, and everything we know about politics changed. i don't think it did. you had a guy out there who was a convicted felon, who has been found liable of sexual assault by hometown jerry, who, and bragging about overturning roe v wade with this bizarre rationalization or argument that everybody wanted roe v wade to be overturned in a majority pro-choice country, a guy who is up there talking about tax cuts for billionaires, and, by the way, he takes america is a third world country. i just think that guy is not going to be elected president. he is just not. >> zerlina, you cheated. you did the thing the pundits are not supposed to do. you talk to voters. we are all just supposed to guess what voters are thinking, or pontificate as if we know ajdyou had them on the phone on your radio show earlier this morning. what are you hearing? >> oh, lawrence, i talked to voters every single morning on my radio show. and this morning i woke up distraught. but then when i actually talk to real people, real americans all over the country, lawrence, they were saying that joe biden on his worst day is still better than donald trump. and every single person i spoke to this morning, it was not a big sampling, but people all over the state saying the same thing. they knew it was not a great debate performance, but i think we are comparing it to the state of the union address. and everyone expect a joe biden to show up and be state of the union joe biden. if he wasn't that right out ■ço the gate, even if he got stronger as the night went on, everyone started to freak out. and when i say everybody, i mean democratic operatives. political pundits. not regular people who were looking at the debate and assessing whether or not the candidates knew what they were talking about, lawrence. and that is one of my biggest problems with this entire infrastructure of media that does not just point out that donald trump doesn't know anything about public policy. he has never known anything about public policy. he has never been able to explain anything about public policy. and he lies about basically everything. that is what he did for 90 minutes on thursday night. so we are just supposed to take that is fine? i think that what was clarifying for me is that voters do care about public policy. not■ç the maga base. they don't care. and republicans don't care. that does not mean we should not care in the media. we should care that the candidates running for the highest office in the land understand what they are talking about. >> yeah, john, stuart just mentioned the pole. the only one we have so far, morning consult. i saw that on the way out here. in the changes, biden moves up one point. that is postdebate. i don't talk about polls much on the show, because i don't think they really mean much until we get farther down the road. that is also registered voters and likely voters. that is the sample we would like to know. but we can't see anything in that, we cannot see anything in the focus groups last night. we presumably will have holes next week which would be the first polls released that would pick up whatever happened last night. >> and i think if you are in the biden campaign right now, a number of things that they had hoped for■ç in this debate, tha they were very open about hoping for. they wanted to reset. they don't think they are ahead. they think they could win, but they don't think they are ahead right now. they change the rules in ways that would benefit them, and i think a lot of people think, weirdly, that this rule changes ended up helping trump, keeping him unusually calm for trump standards. one of the things you like about how this worked out is that the audience is and that big, as he pointed out earlier in the show. and it is early enough that pro or con, if you're talking about, as they often do, 6% of the six states, maybe seven states that are undecided voters out there. and still months away from election day. so much is going to happen between now and then. some unknowns, it gives them a lot of time to overcome■ç whatever this turns out to be. so, for their standpoint, they have to get through the next few days. not just pundits, but you have donors, elected officials panicking in the democratic party. they have to have a strategy to get through that period. and you know the biden campaign is not enjoying this period right now. their strategy, i think, is if this just moves the dial, if he loses the point, goes down to one point in michigan, stay flat in a couple of places. you look up and say hey, the race is structurally the same. we can still win. we can get through this and we have a lot of time to make up whatever lost opportunity was here. >> stewart, everyone john is talking to in the backstage world of big-time politics, and he has the best sources there. that is all the same kind of character. big donors, members of congress, players çin the party. same kind of character who was just profoundly panicked about bill clinton when he was running third in june on this very date in 1992, at 25% behind ross perot at 35%, the independent candidate. they were all exactly the same way, and the clinton strategy, as far as i can tell from where i was sitting in the senate staff at the time was to ignore it. and the people in the senate felt how they were being ignored. in what they thought was a crisis where some of them thought they had something helpful to say. how do you expect the biden campaign to handle what john describes as the next few days going into next week? >> what, i think we have already seen that. they had a great event today in north carolina. biden was on fire. nobody is trying to say that ■ç this was a fantastic performance. you know, there are some moments in campaigns you cannot talk your way out of. you just have to put your head down and keep going. you know, like bill belichick says, play the next play, do your job. that means that they understand that, i think they are a patient campaign. and if something that happened in june determine the presidential election, it would be the first time in american history. and it is not going to happen. if biden had hit a home run last night, i mean, if donald trump had been jerked from the stage drooling, it would really not have affected the race that much. they are two very different universes that they are talking to. and i just go back to the point the biden made. i do not believe that most americans want a president who thinks that we live in a third world country that is this mad max scape■ç. the olympics in paris, we are supposed to feel bad when they walk in with the american flag? it is so contrary to what it is to be an american president, i just think that it has a ceiling and is not going to work. >> zerlina, hold that thought. we are going to take a quick break right here, we will be right back. 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they obviously have to calm a bunch of people, or try to calm a bunch of people. >> i think, look, one thing is obviously a thing that matters a lot to the biden campaign, that they continue to be a well- funded operation. they have had this fundraising lead for a long time, trump has kind of caught up. i know this is going to be a very close election. nobody there think that they are going to win this race easily. they think it is going to be a margin of error race all the way to the end. so one of the biggest concerns that people get, some viewers and others get, i have talked about donors. but the biden campaign things a lot about donors. joe biden wants to make sure he has not -- >> is fundraising in new york right now. >> right now as we speak. and that is a big ■çpart of the strategy, because among those people freaking out the most in the political class, in addition to members of congress, senators, governors, everybody the worries that not only that biden might lose, but might drag the democratic party down with them. which is what we saw hakeem jeffries today not really, oh, i'm going to wait and see what happens. that was a striking thing. the speaker of the house is a fundraising job. he talks to donors all day long. they need to calm donors. because a lot of donors did not really particularly want biden to stick around after he had a very successful -- >> he beat trump, had a very successful midterm. maybe you should move on. now they are sort of a little aggrieved in addition to worried, so there is going to be a lot of donors going on tonight in the next two days, and they have to get through this media cycle and get to monday, and start to see some numbers that they can .2, that they are hopeful they will be able to say see, nothing has changed, it is all fine. we did this early for a reason, so we could either reset the race so it will work for us, or we can overcome any obstacles, hurdles, or bad debate performance, which we had. that is, i think, there plan. but they are going to deal with a lot of incoming from a lot of their friends about should we have at least a conversation about the future here. >> stewart, the biden campaign can also rely on the fact that they are running against the guy who is going to say something new and stupid and crazy every single day. like today, talking about electric planes. and, i mean, he is going to do more of that everyday. >> yeah, look, donald trump■ç i as good as donald trump gets. and that is not great. the thing is, he just is really not where the country is. i think most of the country isn't angry like this. most of the country isn't obsessed with windmills and electric planes and sharks, and talking about hannibal lector as a regular person. there is nothing in this republican apparatus, the bargain that they are cutting with the american people. what do you get when you vote republican now? and i think what really the point that has been lost here it was a huge missed opportunity for trump. he could've come out with some kind of economic policy instead of cutting taxes for billionaires. he could've reassured people on abortion instead of bragging about what he did. he could've seen that he was someone who ■çunderstood that h had been a turbulent president but had learned his lessons. that guy would've been formidable, and walked off the stage a better candidate than he walked on. he didn't, and i don't think he will get many opportunities to do that because he didn't want to do that. look, i think the race, i actually don't think it will be that close. i think biden is going to win decisively. and that is sort of the structure of the race. >> you know, it's not easy for them to get me to work on friday nights, but when i can hang with you it is worth it. thank you all very much for joining me on this friday night. really appreciate it. coming up, joining us on the two big supreme court decisions today. well, it's easy. we know a great price on a great product is better than one of those things. right? 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statutes like the food and drug act or the clean air act or the environmental protection act and what they do, what those laws do, is they delegate to the agencies all of the rules and regulations that govern rest, whether we can have greenhouse gases, whether we can have ozone, what the rules are for immigration, what the rules are for our passports, how much we pay on our phone bills. all of this ■çis set by administrative agency regulation, not by the congress, and that system has worked incredibly well for over 40 years. the supreme court started this in 1984 in a case called chevron. it's one of the most cited and important decisions ever. will be supreme court today overturned chevron and what that effectively means is that it's giving massive power to the d regulators, taking away the ability of the agencies to regulate food and drugs, the environment, all the things i named her kuwaitis -- the supreme court has built an entire doctrine around deference. it's this case, chevron has been cited 70 times by the united states supreme court, 18,000 times by the lower courts. and yet today, the court did what it did two years ago in dobbs, almost to the day, when ç they overturned roe versus wade, another canonical president. so this is the supreme court really aggressively grabbing power for itself and saying that they don't trust precedent. they can just do what they want. >> the other case involved january 6 defendants. >> correct. so there's a statute known as 1512 c 2 which prohibits people from obstructing an official proceeding. the justice department has charged i think almost 1500 people for january 6 .82% of them didn't have this charge at all but a small percentage of people did have this charge along with other charges, they just were never indicted for just 1512 c 2. what the court today did in a &-ç3 decision is to say that the justice department's interpretation of the statute was too broad, that it had to encompass a more narrow destruction or interference with documents. now some people are saying this is significant because 2 of the 4 charges against donald trump are actually this statute, 1512, jack smith is already way ahead of us on this. he's already filed a brief that says the 1512 theory that the supreme court authentically adopted today isn't history of the case, anyway. it's a much narrower one and the majority opinion today as well as the concurrence by judge ketanji brown jackson made that very clear. so in the end, it's some headlines for now but i don't think it's going to have much of any practical effect on any of the january 6 defendants and very little to no effect on what we are waiting for his next week's decision awards on whether trump is absolutely immune for the criminal behavior he engaged in on january 6. >> we are looking at monday for the likely reveal of that decision. >>, almost certainly. the chief justice today announced that monday would be the last day of the term so barring something extra 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