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"morning joe" starts right now. >> i think, you know, any patient that -- or elderly individual or someone who has dementia, they can find some moments of clarity, right? they can find moments throughout the day that they have energy and -- look. i think that trump's team should not underestimate joe biden and his team's ability to, you know -- whether they are going to jack him up on mountain dew or whatever it is, that, look. the state of the union this year he had a lot of energy for about an hour and/or an hour and a half, but it doesn't mean, you know, what we are seeing is, obviously, throughout the day, he can't carry that level of energy. >> what is so amazing about that, willie, is that that jacked up mountain dew did not come from some guy they picked up off the street, right? that was, like, rolling dice against the side of a wall or something. i'm sitting there halfway going, who is this guy? he is an elected member of congress. >> sure. >> who is the house oversight committee. >> wow. >> and he is talking about people being jacked up on mountain dew, and they better be careful because you know, even old, elderly people can be good every once in a while. >> just pop up out of the coffin! >> they can just hop up and suddenly turn around and suddenly have the largest nato alliance in world history and you have the best jobs numbers in 50 years? >> that could happen, too. >> they take a swig of mountain dew and the next moment the dollar at a 50-year high. >> and pass more legislation than any other president in modern history. >> maybe they. ♪ some of that mountain dew up because they are so old, it's coming out of their nose! and that gives them inspiration and they say to themselves, i may be completely out of it but i'm going to do something that none of the preceding presidents did and i'm going to. you more into legislation than any other president since lbj. >> and lower the cost of diabetes medicine. why not? i just woke up and did that. >> willie, this is desperation. like you say, like, you know, this shows how nerves they are. this is not how somebody who is confident about. i never heard larry bird say magic johnson will be jacked up on mountain dew and we are not able to beat the lakers -- no. i can't believe i'm saying this. trump is scared out of his mind. he is whining and whimpering because joe biden may just beat him really badly. i don't know. you tell me. why are they running so scared from joe biden? the guy who they have spent the last eight years saying is out of his mind? >> first of all, i love a mountain dew and have a long time and it's a safe and legal way to keep yourself jacked up if you're studying for a test in college or something like that. it's fantastic. it really is remarkable that this is the entire argument. we saw it and we will play more of it again. you heard a little of it from speaker johnson sort of dabbling in it yesterday saying, we are expecting joe biden to do well is what they are saying to the public and we need a reason why he did well, whether it's mountain dew or much worse as president trump and others have suggested some kind of a drug he might be on. they watched the state of the union address. they were frankly surprised how good he was and how energetic and how strong he was and they needed some way to explain it away. now here we are ahead of the debate. we talk about split screens a lot. president of the united states in camp david preparing for the debate how to handle trump and talk through his issues. on the other side, jonathan lemire, a camp talk almost exclusively will cocaine and mountain dew and how the debate moderators are on the sides of the president of the united states. that doesn't feel like a winning hand going into this. >> first of all, i'm rethinking my morning beverage choice here. if this was mountain dew, think what i could do this morning. >> do the dew! do the dew! >> let's switch that for tomorrow. we haven't seen president biden president biden in several days and he's at camp david with a couple of dozen aides holding mock debate rehearsals. donald trump, meanwhile, is floating conspiracy theories last night appearing on news max, being interviewed by his former campaign manager and his team says, well, that is how trump is preparing. he is doing hostile interviews including on news max with his former campaign manager who opened the interview by saying i'm honored to say i'm going to be with donald trump in atlanta at the debate tomorrow night. so there is that. we should note news max had to run a disclaimer they accept the results of the 2020 election even though donald trump wouldn't say that because they don't want to get further sued. >> billion dollar lawsuits have a way of doing that. >> he is saying how proud he is with donald trump in atlanta tomorrow. we see that trump is saying he is not preparing. we know he has talked-to-some aides but not doing full-on rehearsals but seems to be a lack of confidence putting out the last minute by republicans who are now are acknowledging joe biden will be good on this because he hopped up on some sort of substance even if it's an overcaffeinated beverage. they are trying to lower expectations and anticipating trump to repeat what he did in 2020 which is to get badly beaten by joe biden. >> i mentioned house speaker mike johnson talking about this yesterday. he sort of pushed aside the harder drugs but he stayed on the narrative. >> look. a lot of things that are said in jest. no one expects joe biden would be on cocaine but they do ask questions and i think it makes sense why people are asking will he be on some sort of energy drinks or something, okay? his energy levels, you can see, vary dependent on what format he is in and what forum. you know, we expect he'll do what he did at the state of the union. he had a lot of energy that night so that is the joe biden i expect to see. the question is can he stay for 90 minutes on that stage and go toe-to-toe with president trump who you know goes to rallies and talks on hours' end without any break and without any notes so it will be interesting to see. >> he does and he wanders wildly about and he says he is afraid world war ii is going to start and he says that barack obama is president of the united states, and he talks about about sharks. >> and batteries. >> he talks about if i'm in a boat that has an electric motor and -- by the way, we have been in one. you're okay, donnie. >> drip, drip, drip. showers. lather. >> washing machines. yeah. he does stay there for about 90 minutes longer than he should. but mike johnson there saying, maybe not cocaine, but maybe some bc powders and rc cola. i mean, c'mon! what is wrong with them? >> look. obviously they kind of, you know, overshot the runway on this hold age thing and it could end up biting them. who knows what will happen. anything can happen on the debate stage. but we now know donald trump. we have seen donald trump in all sorts of different challenging positions, including a press conferences, on the world stage where he left a mess. let's just put it there. in terms of debates and one-on-one interviews and town halls, he tries to gain the system. he tries to get into the heads of the moderators and those with less experience he actually succeeds. >> runs over them. >> yeah, he runs right over them. basically, takes an hour for himself to talk to america about batteries or whatever else he wants to. so there is that. i think going after the moderators in this case which is another collective effort by the trump campaign and trump, himself, is set up the moderators to feel they have to overcorrect on fairness. i don't think that will happen with these. i think they know what they are dealing with but good luck. >> yeah, good luck. it is pretty crazy. >> with us is deputy managing editor sam stein to politico and senior columnist for "the daily beast" matt lewis. great to have you all on board. >> we will keep talking about this debate. quickly off the top, we ought to bring up, sam stein, what happened in new york last night and we will talk about it down the road or big upset. i guess it wasn't an upset. i remember the squad losing. but, man, i was surprised jon, john avlon, somebody who piled in over a million dollars of their own money? >> very healthy. >> and just won. a landslide. landslide john. >> he sure did. we have the results from a few notable primaries held yesterday to tell you about. progressive democratic jamaal bowman lost in his district last night. george latimer defeated goman 16 points and 84% of the votes in. the race the most expensive house primary in history grew contentious with democratic divisions over the israeli/hamas war on full display. bowman has been an outspoken of israeli' latimer refused to critique netanyahu's government. latimer was also backed by a 15 million dollar ad buy from a super pact linked to a pro-israeli group. the westchester county executive is likely to cruise to election in november. >> sam, it's hard to attack your opponent for being part of a designed conspiracy when you represent a a lot of number of jews in your own district. one of the things i was surprised to read. he's got a lot of jewish, new york jewish voters in his district and this is a guy who after october 7th didn't visit a synagogue, it seemed that he was just going out of his way to provoke. we had talked yesterday about how politics is local. >> right. >> and it seems like he was playing for the national progressive states, which will work very well in some districts and work very well in vermont. but in his own district, probably not going to work as we saw here because he's got a lot of jewish voters in his district. >> yeah. it's sort of an odd district, right? there is parts of the bronx and parts of the district with jewish populations and frankly jamaal bowman was not a fit to the district. you saw problems in 2022 and problems even prior to october 7th, slippage in the support in his district. as you know, being that outwardly critical of israeli in that district was critical. i think the real issue he ran in was not just that. he, obviously, had a well-known opponent and tons and tons of money spent against him and this is the most expensive house primary in history. i think the real issue ending up being he was perceived for his own fault, i guess in this case, not being supportive enough against joe biden and voting against bills. when you're running in a democratic primary even with joe biden's difficulty with debates as has been well documented, it is toxic to be perceived as being opposed to your own party president and jamaal bowman was hampered greatly by that, more than anything else in his race. >> "the times" said some strange things. he pulled the fire alarm, he swore an awful lot. again, as we are going to find out in a second if you're a republican and you're running in a contested primary, you can go see "beetle juice" and win big and do what you want. >> another new york city suburb john avlon won the democratic primary in the first congressional district and soaring to victory by over 40 points with roughly 90% of the vote in. he will face first term republican nick la lato this november. the seat has been held by a republican for a decade but the democrats believe the party has a good chance to reclaim the eastern long island district this cycle. a big win for john. >> big win for john. willie, he outraised his opponent but she piled in a ton of money near the end, so there was equity there. she had been, again, she was a well-known name in the district. but it looks like john just worked really hard, got a lot of support from a lot of people out there and ended up winning overwhelmingly 70% to 30%. this is a district that cook and a lot of other people had said leans republican. not quite safe republican, but certainly leans republican. i think democrats are going to take a look at this race now' think that somebody like john avlon who is able to raise money from across the country is able to take it to a maga member of congress and a maga member of congress who represents the hamptons. there is a little rub there. we will see how it goes. >> yeah. this is a sprawling district, it does goes out to the east end of long island to the hamptons and comes back into some of the suburban towns in the north shore of long island. john avlon, if you talk to people who have been following this race closely and talk to voters they say he is a good candidate and good with people and understand the issues really well and been on this show a couple times including yesterday. i think the viewers could see it and the voters clearly felt it. his opponent, yes, had a lot of money, poured some cash into it so it was pretty even that way. now he moves on to face nick lalota the first incumbent first term republican in a race now you say that, for sure, joe, democrats believe that they can flip and swing back in their category, thanks to, again, a good candidate in the race who won by 40 points, john avlon last night. you mentioned colorado. republican congresswoman lauren boebert won her primary in a new district last night and she emerged to a crowded field with 43% support winning very easily, actually, with 99% of the vote in this morning. the congresswoman switched districts last year to get what she called a fresh start after she said she had a difficult year personally. she is favored heavily to win the seat in the general election in november. in utah, very interesting here. congressman john curtis is claiming victory in the republican primary for mitt romney's senate seat. four-way race, curtis beat the riverton mayor staggs who trump endorsed over the weekend. they select governor spencer cox over phil lyman. both had beaten candidates who beat them earlier this year so interesting to watch utah here, joe. >> yeah. >> certainly is. utah having donald trump's backing doesn't mean, obviously, what it means in colorado and some other states. >> for sure. right back to tomorrow's presidential debate. matt lewis, your latest article for "the daily beast" entitled trump's debate prep is whining and making stuff up. i'll add to that, just attacking people all around for being -- for victimizing him. the same thing all over again. >> such a snowflake. >> whether it's an election like the 2020 election, whether it's a trial like the new york hush money trial. or whether it's the debate, donald trump doesn't -- until he loses to start complaining and arguing that the thing is rigged. he is pre-spinning. i think part of it is what we were talking about earlier in this segment which is the expectations game, right? after saying that joe biden can't string two sentences together, they are finally getting a little worried. they are finally trying to change that expectations game and say, well, he'll be hopped up on caffeine. i think part of simply is donald trump's m.o. he complains. he claims it's rigged. the only way i could lose this election, he says, is if it's rigged. same thing with the debate. the only way he could lose the debate is if it's rigged. i think it has really two-pronged approach and two components to it. part of it is he gets to work the refs in advance. he gets to make them think twice and maybe go a little easy on him. the second is if donald trump, in fact, loses the debate, has already laid the groundwork for saying it was rigged! it was always rigged the whole time! here is the problem. it kind of is rigged. joe biden out-maneuvered donald trump. the timing of this debate, the rules of this debate, those were all set by joe biden because donald trump allowed it to happen. joe biden's team, i think, really out-smarted and out-maneuvered donald trump and if he goes on to lose, there will be one person to blame -- donald trump. i think republicans, rather than blame the moderators or mountain dew should blame donald trump for that. >> sam stein, we know that tomorrow night is a moment for president biden president biden to reassure americans he is up for the job as we discussed he did so in the state of the union and he has another opportunity to do that tomorrow but a chance for him to go on the attack. i'm curious your analysis here but what buttons he should push. what lines should he pursue in going after trump? it could be january 6th, it could be democracy, certainly abortion rights. how do you anticipate it going? >> does it go with mountain dew blast or red? >> red bull? >> i thought that would land a little better honestly. >> sam! >> i was too removed from the opening of the show. look. i think the honest answer to your question is they want to create a contrast. this is a conundrum that they have. they don't want this race to be a referendum on his record as much as they think his record is great. they he want it to be a contrast on the agendas that each candidate is putting forward. in this case they will use the debate to say we have done work on the economy and we are getting there. but we know we have more to do and donald trump would turn this back that his policies are inflationary, right? they will say our foreign policy made tough decisions and stood up the nato lines against russia. donald trump would send us back. on women's rights, we have more to do and donald trump will send us back. i expect that to be the sort of fundamental theme it's forward, not backwards and frankly probably the best one to play for biden because they need the electorate to be faced not on biden so much but on trump. finally isay this. you know, biden's debate partner, i think i wrote about this but i think it's true. he is debating not just donald trump. obviously, it's joe biden versus donald trump. he is debating the caricature that they set of joe biden so a lot of this and so much this is expectation setting and he has to clear a very low bar, frankly, which is get up there and be attentive and assertive for 90 minutes and bypass this bizarre characterization that they have created a view of someone who is hopped up on mountain dew or whatever, the drug that they suggest you have to take, and let, again, the focus be on trump. >> sop it's interesting. there is also -- we will be talking about more about donald trump picking his vice president candidate soon. this is something to have something to talk about that he can talk about confidently. and it certainly would not be foreign policy or policy or legislation or politics but, you know, picking someone like little marco or somebody like that. >> do you think he'll do that? >> i think he'll probably change. that's what he used to call him! their marco would be watching the debate with bated breath hoping he will be donald trump's running mate. that is what they will do to buy time and just to get through it. >> the thing i suspect, matt lewis, is you're sort of reading the tea leaves this week, it sounds like they are suggesting the vice president pick may come this week. and, if so, that is one more way they are hedging against a bad debate loss. what you do if you get really bad headlines coming out of the debate on friday morning, you make sure that throughout the weekend they are not talking about the debate. instead, they are talking about your vice presidential pick. even the leaking of that is a possibility shows they are scared. i mean, they are really scared donald trump is going to blow this thing. >> i think bracket it with -- if it isn't -- that might be a contingency plan. if the debate goes well, we hold the announcement. if it goes poorly, we bracket it with the vice presidential announcement. i have to say donald trump, he is really good at controlling the message. there no doubt about it, and changing the subject. it used to be something like a debate would be talked about for weeks on end and it would dominant multiple news cycles. that may not be the case. maybe he says or does something either important or just crazy, and that is what we are talking about a couple of days from now. he is really good at that. bad in a lot of other things but good at driving the agenda and our attention. >> senior columnist for "the daily beast" matt lewis, thank you for joining us. great to have you on. ahead on "morning joe," we will dig into the decision to partially lift the gag order against donald trump in his criminal hush money case, and what this could mean for the former president as he awaits sentencing. plus, it's been three weeks since president biden signed an executive action aimed at curbing illegal migrant crossings at the southern border. homeland security department secretary alejandro mayorkas will join us for an update on that. you're watching "morning joe." reminding everyone to do the dew! ♪♪ >> nothing did you dew. give me the sunshine give me a dew ♪ ♪ give me something simple all i need is a river give me a dew ♪ ♪ give me a dew give me the sunshine give me a dew ♪♪ (impressed) ay i like it! who wants to come see the future?! get your business online in minutes with godaddy airo if advanced lung cancer has you searching for possibilities, discover a different first treatment. immunotherapies work with your immune system to attack cancer. but opdivo plus yervoy is the first combination of 2 immunotherapies for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1, and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. opdivo plus yervoy is not chemotherapy, it works differently. it helps your immune system fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. pretty day in new york city. 26 past the hour. thanks chopper 4. federal prosecutors released new photos showing what they call the haphazard manner in which trump stored boxes of documents that federal agents later seized from mar-a-lago back in 2022. the filing came in response to trump's most recent motion to dismiss the case, arguing that fbi agents destroyed exculpatory evidence by failing to keep the documents in the same order in which they found them. like that? >> that is how they want them to be? really? huh. >> that seems interesting. prosecutors defended the fbi agents writing that they performed the mar-a-lago search, quote, thoroughly and professional and careful given the cluttered state of the boxes and the substantial volume of highly classified documents trump had retained. the former fbi confidential source who was charged with lying to the fbi and peddling false anti-biden information has been denied bail. alexander smirnoff seen after his arrest in las vegas back in february was re-arrested days later and brought to california where the federal charges originated. a california judge ordered him be held indefinitely after prosecutors argued he is a significant flight risk. recently, his attorneys argued that due to a medical procedure, he needs on his eyes, smirnoff should be freed from custody pending his trial later this year and placed under the supervision of a private security firm but the judge denied that request noting that the security firm was not under the court's jurisdiction. smirnov and his false allegations were at the heart of the push by house republicans to impeach president biden. these people. >> willie, we need to underline this fact that people who claim to be serious journalists are saying we need to see both sides of this. why won't you people investigate joe biden and his criminal misdeeds as seriously as you all investigated donald trump's over the past several years? they would always point to this convict's testimony and they would always point -- point to this international fugitive who legally smuggled iran oil to the communist chinese. we could go on and on and on. but there is these cast of characters, these bone-heads, these convicts, these international fugitives that they used as the basis of their story. so, like, i had one guy after january the 6th saying, why don't you ever -- why are you always talking about donald trump? why don't you talk about the testimony against the biden crime family? and, you know, how do you even respond to that? it's a story that is based on so many lies that even republicans told comare to stands down. >> the star witnesses are in jail or on the run. hunter biden was prosecuted and convicted and he has more charges in front of him so that happened. joe biden has not been tied to any of the stuff that they have thrown out there. james comer said we have a lot of smoke and just haven't found the fire. this five alleged 5 million dollar bribe that you could hear on certain networks and certain showing saying the star witness was lying about it and is facing charges with it. wikileaks founder julian assange pled guilty and ending a year's long legal battle with the united states government. he since has returned home to australia for the first time since 2012 and arriving there a short time ago. the arrangement is part of a plea deal with the united states department of justice in which assange has been sentenced to time served. he spent the past five years in a british prison. nbc news reports assange and his website are responsible for leaking documents relating to the wars in iraq and afghanistan and publishing messages from the state department. the department of judge says assange and wikileaks seriously endangered the lives of people around the world. evan ger show the general counsel for dow jones called evans' trial a sham with bogus trump-up charges. the a.p. reports that his conviction is almost a certainty with russian courts convicting 99% of the defendants who come before them. if he is convicted, evan gershkovich faces up to 20 years in prison. a striking image of him in court today. jonathan lemire, his head was shaved. now the trial begins as i said could lead up to 20 years in prison. >> head nearly shaved there, remaining stoic in court as he has every other time we caught a glimpse of him and trying to reassure witnesses watching at him and trying to smile. the u.s. deemed this a sham trial and do not anticipate he gets a fair shake there in a russian court. president biden and his team continue to say publicly and work privately toward securing his release but have been candid howchallenging to negotiate with russian officials and if a prison swap could take place. donald trump is have you gone suggesting that vladimir putin would allow gershkovich would be released if i was president. >> we will keep a very close eye on that trial which began just a couple of hours ago. coming up, u.s. surgeon general muttery has declared gun violence a health crisis and he is coming up on "morning joe." is coming up on "morning joe." why choose a sleep number smart bed? 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>> well, mika, for a long time this issue has been politicized and polarized. i think it's time for us to change how we look at it instead of looking at it as a political issue for recognize it as a health issue. first, when our office historically has identified issues of public health issue that has typically made it a more urgent priority for the country, but it's also opened up the door for us to take a public health approach to that issue. this is what we did with smoking more than half a century ago. when my predecessor identified smoking as an important public health issue and a threat to the american public, initiatives in communities and schools among parents and lawmakers and it ultimately brought smoking rates down from 42% in 1964 to less than 12% where they are today. so that is the approach we have to take here. what is really important for people to understand, also is that gun violence is not an issue that just affects a small number of people. the ripple effects of gun violence have impacted millions of people across america. nearly 50,000 lives we lose each year to gun violence and millions more in terms of people who are shot and injured and who survive, people who witness these incidents, family members who lose loved ones, and many more who watch and hear about gun violence every day, including our kids. that has led to 6 our 10 americans fearing that they will lose a loved one to violence and more than half of our kids worrying about shootings in their schools. >> yeah. so you brought up the smoking parallel which is so interesting. you're right, you are correct. it mobilized initiatives and a lot of outreach in schools and understanding about the dangers. it also mobilized massive lawsuits. and the legal realm was really ignited by sort of a sense of just how dangerous cigarettes were. will that happen in this case? is that your hope? or what gets us to banning automatic rifles? what gets us to your goals here in this announcement, universal background checks? >> there are a series of strategies we lay out in the report, mixer, ka. you identified some of them which are focused around firearm risk reduction strategy and it includes strengthening universal background checks and its will measures that would seek to put time and space between firearms and individuals who seek to harm themselves or others. but what they also include are community-based. violence intervention strategies and safe storage education programs and laws, advances in expansion in our research funding and mental health access and these are multiple strategies we have offered for congress to consider, for the country to consider, and they are actionable. one of the things that gives me some hope here is that if you look at the last few years, we have seen some progress, five, six years ago, congress, actually, for the first time in decades, put forward funding for gun violence. it was a modest amount of funding. a lot more has to happen there. also two years ago they passed a bipartisan safer communities act which is the first federal regulation to address gun violence in 30 years and more we are can do here and these should not be the last steps we take. more actions we will need as a country, but if we build on the strategies that i've laid out, if we come to this issue to understanding that what i'm understanding, talking to people across america which is everyone regardless of their background, their age, what part of the country they live in, want to live in a world where their kids can go to school without worrying about gun violence, where they can go to church or go for a on walk on the street without worrying about being shot. and, right now, this fear of gun violence is affecting day-to-day decisions. i have to tell you about a grandmother i spoke to not long ago who told me that her grandchild is scared to wear light-up shoes, the shoes that flash when you take a step. because he doesn't want to be a target for a shooter if there is an shooting incident in his school. another mother i spoke to the other day who was tragically in a mass shooting incident, had to run from a shooter, she now doesn't wear flip-flops when she goes outside. on that day she happened to be in flip-flops and found it was hard to run and doesn't want to be in that situation again. you see how this is affecting day-to-day decisions and it doesn't have to be this way. if we understand this as a country, comment this as an issue that affects all of us as a public health concern, i do believe we can make progress and saving lives and reducing the mental health toll of gun violence. >> good morning. it is young people think about things you and i never had to think about growing up. this announcement is drawing applause from gun safety advocates, from the american medical association. no one could argue we have a comprises in front of us. it's right there in the data. i think what some people are saying this is nice but without the policy side of it, it's kinds of symbolic. how do you take this from where it is right now and push it forward so that there is real change in this country. not to control guns but to protect people's lives? >> yeah. here i fundamentally believe that we can respect people's rights and also protect people and create a safer world for them and what we have to do here in america. my hope is that this advisory will serve as a foundation for a series of changes that we can make. there are a number of policy changes here for congress to consider, but think about what happened, again, with the 1964 tobacco report. that was a foundation for policy change, as well as for a series of other problematic and educational changes we made across this country. if we come together as a nation to say, you know what? it's time for us to make this a priority because it's now become a kids' issue and then i think we can make progress. let me underscore the kids issue. gun violence has become the leading cause of death among children and teens in america. that was not true a decade ago and it was not true two decades ago but it is true today. one thing i have seen, you know, in the past as a country is that we have been able to come together and do hard things in the past and if there is ever a time where we should come together to take on an issue, it should be this one because it is affecting our children and what could be more important than their well-being? >> u.s. surgeon general vivek murthy, thank you for what you're doing and being on the show this morning. >> thanks a lot. >> still ahead, we are going to dig into the nbc news exclusively reporting detailing how the dhs is now searching for 50 migrants here in the u.s. who have been linked to isis. we will ask homeland security department security alejandro mayorkas about that and get an update where things stands after president biden's executive order to curb crossings at the southern border. house intelligence committee chairman republican congressman mike turner will be our guest as he demands the white house declassify intel on russia's nuclear anti-satellite program. 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still coming back from that injury. got roughed up last night. his second start of the season against the cross-town mets over in the city of queens. the reigning cy young winner, no strikeouts. incredibly rare, give up a par of home runs that left the yankees trailing 6-0 after four innings. the yankees would rally to within two runs of the mets thanks to this grand slam by aaron judge, a league-leading 29th home run of the season. 75 rbis here as exactly the halfway point. the mets held on 9-7. 11th victory in 14 games for the mets. yankees try to split the two-game subway series tonight back at citifield. john. >> the grimace era continues. >> they have won 11 of 14. >> amazing. >> people at the game in full-on grimace costumes as you can see there. the players have embraced it. everybody is putting on purple and such. >> for people who weren't watching yesterday, he threw out the first pitch a couple of weeks ago. >> let's reset the story line for those just tuning n.grimace is part of some long planned mcdonald's promotion that threw out the first pitch and started a seven-game winning streak, took over mets social media. the team and players have gotten into it now. the mets have changed a lot of their advertising to be about grimace and the mets area and they are continuing to win and pushing their way into the playoff picture. >> and the marketing guru joins us, donny deutsch. >> there was a huge promotional of the grimace. >> another off-season move that adds another villanova alumni to the new york knicks, players that helped nova win a pair of ncaa championships. those the core of a knicks team that reached the eastern conference semifinals. the knicks paid back to get the deal for mikal bridges, including five first round draft picks including five first round picks tonight. >> the championship celebration continued yesterday. the first stop for the iconic championship trophy was at the home of matthew tkachuck where the team held an afterparty and the cup moved on to a fort lauderdale bar. i don't know if that was a drink, just a splash down on to the fan. later the team with the cup and a few hundred fans headed to the beach for a dip in the ocean. the panthers beat the oilers in game seven on monday night to win their first nhl title in franchise history. that official championship parade is set for this sunday. always fun, john, to watch these guys. hockey players are a special breed of partier, i know a few of them. always have a good time with the cup. >> no oceans in edmonton had the oilers won. legendary store business where the cup goes. every player gets it for a day. >> right. >> and it's come back dented and damaged and -- and it's sort of beaten up, but it is -- it's the best trophy in sports. >> yeah. >> it means so much to these guys. it was a great, great series. look, the panthers were in the finals last year and lost. they win it this year. they have been good for a while and rightly deserve it. >> mikal bridges, big pickup for the knicks. i know you're enjoying your moment. we're coming at you next year. >> this is me not being concerned about this at all. >> the celtics are prime to be good next year, too. a steep price for bridges but picks in their 20s, the first round picks. the guy they have wanted for a long time. yeah, the knicks are going for it and that's to their credit. >> and coming for the celtics now. >> be careful when you wish for, mika. >> exactly. >> we'll let them settle that. meanwhile, a new one of its kind live event will give you a chance to join the conversation on this presidential election. over a dozen msnbc anchors will gather together for what's being called msnbc live, democracy 2024. happening on september 7 at the brooklyn academy of music. you can scan the qr code on your screen for tickets or visit msnbc.com/democracy 2024 the host and creator of msnbc live luke russert. this is cool. you have a lot of us going there, and the in-person aspect of it i think is so valuable at this time where everybody is so spread out for so many different reasons. what do you hope to accomplish at this first event? >> well, good morning, mika, and thanks so much for having me. this is something you know very well through your "know your worth" series, the value of the host and contributors of msnbc getting out into the field and interacting with our incredible viewers and audience. we're so blessed at this network to have an engaged and loyal following that likes to communicate their feelings, likes to stay engaged, stay involved, and we thought, hey, why not go out there, put everybody under one roof and have a celebration of not only msnbc and everything that we do, but celebrate the most important component of our family and that is the viewer, so we're doing that september 7 in brooklyn at the brooklyn academy of music. we've got two sessions. we've got a dinner option. we'll also show a very special film, but if you want to come see steve kornacki do his big board in person. >> oh, wow. >> and learn all about the bells and whistles of do that. you can see rachel maddow and lawrence o'donnell and joy reid, so many people, a lot of other contributors will be there. a lot of other surprises, but more so than anything we want to foster connection with our incredible viewers, and we really want to have these organic conversations and interactions that you can't necessarily do through a tv segment or you can't necessarily do through a tv screen, so that's the goal. >> yeah. >> i think we'll definitely achieve it, and it's going to be wonderful. it's cool to be at a place like msnbc that wants to get into this space and start it out. it's a unique space, and we're excited to be trail blazers in it. >> that's a great space and also you get a sense when you're meeting with people in realtime what their questions are, what their concerns are. these are not like anonymous comments coming across twitter. these are real conversations. what are some of the topics, especially given the gravity of this election and some would say that democracy is at stake. what are some of the topics you're hoping to dig into? >> well, democracy is obviously this large-scale topic, and it's a large umbrella where so many things fit underneath it, but when you bring up democracy. okay, september 7th. roughly two months out from the most consequential presidential election of our lifetimes. that's all said. this time it's very true. we want to take the expertise that we have underneath our a own umbrella at msnbc and dive into the issues most important. on the polling front someone like steve kornacki can come up with the latest numbers and people like alex wagner and katy tur can break it down and give you the cross-tabs. where are the votes for president biden and where are the votes for former president trump. how is that looking? and then in the evening session i think it's really the pulse of the country, where we are as a citizenry. what are the issues proving to be most meaningful, and how are the campaigns going to speak to them during the last two months of the election and really what is the pulse of the country, so i think we'll have a ton of experts in that space. one of the great things about msnbc is that we have a diversity of opinions, and they will be there, and a diversity of ideology and background and they will all be there and heard, and it will be an exciting night. come on down to the brooklyn academy of music, september 7. you don't want to miss it. >> host and creative director of msnbc's "live" luke russert. thanks so much. great to have you on the show as always, and this is going to be amazing. we look forward to it. thank you very much. and the msnbc live event comes days before the scheduled second debate between president biden and donald trump. their first debate is tomorrow, and the candidates appear to be taking vastly different approaches on how they prepare. it is the top of the hour. president joe biden and his top campaign aides remained at camp david yesterday where they have been for nearly a week and are expected to stay through today. as for donald trump, the former president continues to insist he doesn't need to take part in any formal debate prep. he just doesn't need it. on fox news yesterday trump's campaign press secretary cited the quote hostile media interviews he regularly gives as a substitute for traditional debate strategy sessions. one of those so-called hostile interviews came on the far right network news max yesterday with trump's own 2016 campaign manager corey lewandowski. >> i'm proud to announce that i will be there in atlanta with president trump just like i have been for almost every debate he's participated in since he's come down that golden escalator. we're heard how president biden has been preparing for it, and the real question is what have you been doing to prepare for the debate? >> i think i've been preparing for it for my whole life, if you want to know the truth, and i'm not sure you can lock yourself into a room for two weeks or one week or two days and really learn what you have to know. >> so corey was the hostile interview. you'll note that as trump was speaking ninth view the network had a disclaimer up on the screen so they, you know, don't get soon, reading news max accepts the 2020 election results as legal and final. let's say it again. news max accepts the 2020 election results as legal and final despite what those two people on the screen above those words say. the company is currently being sued by dominion voting systems for airing false claims about the 2020 vote being rigged. let's bring in u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay, and i've got to tell you i've had a lot of conversations about the election off air, friends, family, foes, political, politically speaking, and debates over the impact of networks like news max and fox news. some will say they only have a million viewers. i think they are extremely powerful, and i think it's where a lot of republican voters, a lot of trump voters are getting their information 24/7, and they still don't seem to have learned from the $787 million fine they had to pay for lying because you still see it happening. >> look, i mean, a network is a network and people -- millions of people will watch the network as it's going out live, but then in the age we live in, just as with this show, mika, clips of that network get then replayed on social media and amplified millions and millions of times. it's the same story with the debates, a very different information world that we live in. it is the information world that's one of the most worrying thing for the biden campaign that so much stuff is getting out there, some of which is real and some that is not real that campaigns just can't control. >> yeah. >> it's like putting your finger in a dike when there's a massive flood is coming and the water is knocking off the wall and there is a lot of misinformation. we do know things broadcast on fox news and news max that are not true, and they put that disclaimer up there, but there are a lot of viewers reading that disclaimer, legal and final. that's not the same as fair. i mean, you can parse this. if you're in a mindset where the 2020 election you believe was stolen, you are going to distort any words that you see to reinforce your own position. i mean, that's just -- that's a function of believing in a conspiracy theory, and so even those words legal and final, it may satisfy the lawyers to stop them from getting sued again. i don't think that they have any viewers who are going to read those words legal and final who believed beforehand that the 2020 election was stolen who are going to read those words and say oh, you know what, i was wrong, the 2020 election was just fine, so i don't know how much having those words up there will have a huge amount of difference. i do know everything in this world is getting amplified massively by social media and the biden campaign is concerned about the information environment that we're operating in, but there is very little they can do to change it. >> good time to remember that donald trump knows he lost the 2020 election as aide after aide after aide have reported in john's book and all over the place that he knows he lost. he's still using this to stoke his base and keep them excited. so donny, curious about your approach what donald trump and his team think about how they are feeling about it saying he's on mountain dew or he's on cocaine. >> let me do the dew. i'll do the dew live. if you were watching the last hour, this is what republican congressman said joe biden will be do on mountain dew. >> got to chug though. going after the moderators, jake tapper and dana bash, outstanding journalists, will go after all the things that doesn't have anything to do with a debate. >> the party is a party of cheating. they can't plate game without rolling the dice. for biden on the left all the way at zero, he's tired and old, a huge win at 100, he's vile, aggressive and strong. for trump the zero is he's basically unhinged, deranged, you know, all over the place. the 100 is normal. so, you know, biden once again has so much to win leer and trump once again gets graded on a curve. he just has to appear normal. so much on this debate. we tend to sometimes get hyped up in the news business about this is so important. this is so important. this is so important. >> this one actually. is a rare moment of self-reflection and self-criticism who gave an interview with "the washington examiner, donny and he said yeah, i interrupted joe biden in the first debate in 2020 and then later he said i had no trump because joe biden lies so much, so this is another -- a mom of trump projecting. but talk to us a little bit about what we should be looking for in the interplay between the two men. >> there is no secret here. these two men do not like each other. >> no. >> we know how joe biden describes donald trump in public, a phrase i cannot say on this show. we know that biden is going to try to goad trump into angry outbursts whether it's thing about january 6 or abortion rights, whatever it might be. what do you think of the temperament and two men, how will they come across to the viewers? >> i think viewers are going to somehow grade people who punches the hardest, so i think they are both going to be clearly making it about the other person. they are both going to be throwing haymakers. if you're biden you're talking, as you said, about january 6. you're talking about abortion. you're talking about punishing women. you're talking about democracy and doing everything you can to unhinge him and if you're trump you'll be talking about the border. you'll be talking about inflation and so i think it's who counterpunches and who punches, and we live in a world that aggressiveness is rewarded, and i think that's going to happen here. >> so the judge who oversaw donald trump's criminal hush money trial has lifted some but not all of the restrictions of the former president's gag order. the decision by juan merchan allows trump to comment publicly about witnesses and jurors. he is still barred from discussing court staffers, the prosecution team and their families until he is sentenced on july 11. the former president's legal team had urged the judge to lift the gag order completely. katty, not sure why he'd lift anything, but maybe perhaps what you do is kind of let a little rope out before the sentencing. there's a couple of things that the judge will be looking at for sentencing. if you look at past precedent for situation like this, whether or not the convicted felon is remorseful, whether or not the convicted felon is acting in a way that's differently than before, whether or not the convicted felon is understanding of what has happened, of his guilt, and i don't think donald trump has presented any of those factors quite yet. >> i think you're describing a different trial, meek a. i thought we were talking about the donald trump trial because i have -- you're right. there is no indication of reforce or a different change of behavior, and this gag order was in place to protect the institution of the court and the people who work in the court, so the only question now will be i think going into the debate, it's going to be interesting, does donald trump with some of this gag order now turn against any members of the court? the gag order should still protect the people who work in the court and the prosecutors, but, look, he came out of his conviction and gave pretty scathing comments about the american judicial system, how it was rigged against him. he keeps saying that out on the campaign trail. it's not technically i guess a violation of the gag order but certainly against the spirit of the gag order. i think what you'll see is just -- i am willing -- i'm willing to take 100% bet that we do not see donald trump expressing remorse for what he has done. >> yeah. >> he has never done so yet. the interesting question is whether he uses the debate or the couple of weeks before the sentencing now to be more aggressive about the american judicial system, but frankly he's been pretty aggressive about believing that it's rigged anyway. >> we'll see tomorrow night at that debate. let's turn to new york politics with national implications. progressive democratic congressman jamaal bowman lost his primary in the 16th district last night and did so handley. moderate westchester county executive george latimer defeated bowman by more than 16 points with 84% of the vote in this morning. the race, the most expensive house primary in u.s. history. it was contentious with democratic divisions over the israel/hamas war on full display. joining us now from the town of scarsdale, new york, that's in the 16th district, nbc news correspondent ally vitale. a margin that was in line with the polls at 16%, 17% coming in last night. >> that's exactly right. bowman opponents were optimistic that it would not be just a win but one that was resounding and when you see what our decision desk results are showing right now this morning it is a trouncing, so jamaal bowman will not be in congress next cycle, but there was an interesting thing that happened last night, willie. when i was at the polling place in mt. veenon and later that evening jamaal bowman came there before going to his election night event. i asked him about the vitriol and the intensity because i heard it from voters. it wasn't us just watching the debates. it wasn't just us watching the way the candidates were clearly throwing shade at each other or getting more colorful in their language. when i was out at polling places, voters were reluctant to tell me who they voted for and why. there seemed to be almost a fear factor because of how intensely this community had metabolized the race. i asked bowman about that almost hoping or waiting to see how he would ascribe to democrats healing the divide that this race has caused. he didn't do that. listen. >> even as i've talked to voters, there are some like who i don't want to share when i voted form. i don't want my neighbors to know. it's gotten intense. >> it's gotten intense because apec are pulleys. apec intimidates people and my opponent has sided not just with apec but with republican billionaires, and because he's been in office so long and because he's been county executive giving people jocks, people are afraid of him. >> that's not healing the divide. i mean, he was bullish at that point that he said he was going to win. of course, the bowman team and latimer team were all looking at the same polls that we were all looking at, but even in his speech last night bowman saying that they had lost, he just counted it as a battle lost, not a larger loss for the progressive community, and i have to tell you i've been talking to progressives who are worried about the impact thatting this could have as we try to take national effects and implications out of this race. there's one other thing i'm looking for here, willie, is the fact that bowman yesterday, right after he answered my question, was asked about if he would guarantee that he won't rye to be on the ballot in some other form come november for this race, for the working families party, for example. he dodged that question. he didn't guarantee that this was the last that we would see of him in new york 16th in election year 2024, and that could have big implications in roiling what the results look like come november. latimer, for his part, had been trying to draw that contrast throughout the entire primary saying, look, you don't vote for me here. i won't be on the ballot come november, so i'm interested in seeing if bowman's defiant tone last night actually turns into some kind of third-party challenge where he tries to keep the seat, but i was listening to your conversation earlier, i'm from westchester county, i know this area well, and the fact that the israel/hamas war gain the linchpin and litmus test in this race that it was didn't surprise me and frankly these results don't necessarily other. >> ally vitale in scarsdale, new york this morning. thanks so much i.this race wasn't even close. yes, it was about the israel/hamas war and strange that congressman bowman kept even up until yesterday morning drilling in on that issue in the way that he did that may have cost him the race, but it's also about the base and retail politics and you represent a whole district, not just one part of the district. george latimer has been in westchester politics for 35 years. >> yeah. >> everybody up there knows him, like him and trust him and it showed last night. >> a couple of thoughts. whereas the reason cap party tends to be lurching towards their base at the end, this finds that the democratic party is finding its way to the center. bowman said a lot of anti-zionist things and said some tropes basically that jewish people like to segregate from other people and that didn't help in a district, particularly in westchester, that's very jewish, so the politics of it is very, very questionable. >> and it's contrasting with lauren b obi rt who managed to white, appealing to the extreme right wing of the party. there were other defeats, utah is a red state where trump is not very popular so his candidate wasn't going to win there. i don't think we should suggest that trump's grip on the republican party has slipped at all but more interesting what this means for the democrats here, that most of the so-called squad, the more progressives, aoc won last night, but some who have gotten in trouble. jamaal bowman, has made some very problematic decisions in his career here and it led to defeat. vote remembers tired of it. >> we'll see what happens and if it has implications all through this year, places like missouri 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is it moving in the right direction fast enough? >> thank you so much for having me. it is indeed moving in the right direction. you correctly note that the number of encounters at the southwest border have decreased in the three weeks that we've been implementing the president's proclamation by more than 40%. it's a remarkable implementation effort by the men and women of the department of homeland security and u.s. customs and border protection, immigration and customs enforcement and u.s. citizenship and immigration services. we are conducting more removal flights than ever before. we are moving people through the system and those who do not qualify are being removed or returned more rapidly. it's a remarkable feat that our personnel have accomplished in just such a short period of time. it's really important to remember though that the president's executive action is being challenged in the court. we cannot fully through executive action resource the department of homeland security like we need, and the senate's bipartisan legislation would have provided a fulsome and enduring relief that executive actions cannot. we need congress to act, and the failure of congress to act, the president led and took action. >> and in this action you say it's moving in the right direction. the two issues here i want to ask you about, the first is nbc news reporting that the department of homeland security has identified over 400 immigrants who have come to the u.s. from central asia and elsewhere as subjects of concern and some even affiliated potentially with an isis-affiliated human smuggling network. that's number one, and then number two, reporting from nbc news that the administration is still releasing illegal crossers inside the u.s. to live while they pursue asylum claims, that it's not officially really working and it's still -- there's still a lot of folks coming through here the way they shouldn't. >> well, if i may correct you in a number of regards. number one with respect to the people from central asia, we have no evidence that they are individuals plotting to harm the united states. that is inaccurate. it's very important to note that the safety and security of the american people are our highest priority. we screen and vet individuals at the time of encounter. if we learn of derogatory information, we take enforcement action. we are proceeding with extreme caution here in the service of the security and safety of the american people, number one. number two, the number of individuals whom we've released into immigration enforcement proceedings subsequent to the president's proclamation has dropped significantly, but, remember, that our detention capacity, and this is not specific to our administration, this has been historic ever since the '90s when i was a federal prosecutor, our detention capacity is not sufficient to meet the number of people we encounter, and, therefore, we have to release people into the united states when they are in immigration enforcement proceedings, and we put them on alternatives to detention when that is necessary from an enforcement perspective. so very a number of procedures to ensure the safety and security of the american people. fundamentally we're operating within a broken immigration system. we need congress to fix it. everyone agrees with that. it hasn't been fixed since 1996. >> mr. secretary, the flows of people across the border have cost the president a huge amount of political trouble f.this executive order has worked as well as you're saying it's worked this morning, why not just do it a year and a half ago and save the democrats all the kind of pushback they have had on the border? >> well, let's -- let's remember the chronology here. on day one of the president's administration he presented congress with a legislative proposal to fix our immigration system. up until may of last year, title 42, the public health order was in place that prevented people from entering the united states with some exceptions. it provided the government with the authority to expel people from the united states, essentially the border was closed. everyone expected pandemonium to break out when title 42 was lifted. it did not. the president went to congress and requested supplemental funding. the funding that we and the department of homeland security and other departments had administered the immigration system so desperately need. he went for that funding to congress in august, did not receive it. he went again in october, did not receive it. we then went into very difficult but ultimately successful bipartisan negotiations for a legislative solution. that would have delivered the fixes that our system have long needed. it would have provided the immigration system with the resources we have long needed. 1,500 border patrol and office of field operations personnel, 1,200 immigration and customs enforcement officers and agents, 4,300 asylum officers, more than 100 immigration judges. that was a bipartisan practical solution that involved difficult compromises but compromises that delivered success. congress failed to act. the president has acted. >> mr. secretary -- mr. secretary, you just outlined some of the problems that congress republicans have presented but what about the republican-led states that are trying to take matters into their own hands? >> immigration is as a matter of law the exclusive province of the federal government. one compelling reason why that is so is that it has very significant foreign policy implications. i work with counterparts from countries in our region and around the world every day to address what is a global migration challenge. i worked with the foreign minister of ecuador just two days ago as one example, and what is important is that if governors of states are concerned with what they have before them, then it is imperative and incumbent upon them to work with the federal government to address the challenge that not only our country is facing but countries throughout the region and throughout the world are facing. it is not acceptable. it is not good government for one governor to take unilateral action and deliberately not communicate, coordinate with the federal government on what is a federal government responsibility. >> homeland security alejandro mayorkas, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. and coming up, house intelligence committee chairman republican congressman mike turner will be our guest as he demands the white house declassify intel on russia's nuclear anti-satellite program. we'll be right back with that and much more "morning joe." d m" experian helped me save over $1,400 a year on car insurance. though prices keep going up, experian is here to help you save on personal loans, credit cards, or car insurance. start saving now. free. at experian.com or get the app now. why choose a sleep number smart bed? 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"the arizona republic" is are reporting on a new effort to combat election denialal. the democracy defense project was launched yesterday. organizers say the goal is to, quote, defend the transparency, safety, security and validity of arizona's election system and restore voter confidence. the announcement comes a day after maricopa county election officials said they need to reprogram election equipment because a security key was allegedly stolen. in michigan, the "the musk gan chronicle" is addressing measures denying people medical care, including abortion. the biden administration has set up an online portal for people to file complaints. officials say overhauling the complaint process will expedite the government's ability to investigate patient claims and provide transparency into emergency care access. "the atlanta journal constitution" is spotlighting different ways to keep cool during the soaring summer heat. health experts say avoiding outdoors at peak hours, remaining cool indoors and consistent hydration can alleviate the effects of rising temperatures. experts also say gradual exposure to heat and humidity may make being outdoors more bearable for workers. and "the-it-can a journal" is taking a look at nasa's move to delay the return of two american astronauts on the boeing starliner spacecraft. the pair were set to a week after docking at the international space station on june 6. however, nasa and boeing are adjusting their return until at least early july to allow for extra time to assess several issues that have arisen with the vehicle, including leaks in its propulgts system. coming up, we'll show you the new photos from federal prosecutors showing what they call the haphazard manner donald trump stored classified documents at his mar-a-lago estate and club where public people came to. 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the pentagon clearly has gone out publicly a month ago and said that this thing is up there in space. what more do we know about it and its capabilities? >> we do want to make a distinction. what they were talking about in space is an anti-satellite weapon with no nuclear capability and they revealed that russia is developing a nuclear anti-satellite weapon. what we're pushing the trace to do is declassify information on the nuclear satellite information. dr. plumb at the department of defense had indicated if this weapon was detonated in low earth orbit in space, it would wipe out every satellite in low earth orbit which, of course, would cripple western communications, finances, our military capabilities and that it would make below earth orbit unhabitable for other satellites for up to a year, totally and crippling our ability to utilize space. the administration has not been clear what it could launch and what its capabilities are in its development. general saltsman, the director -- the chief of staff for space force said that if this weapon was launched it would be day zero for mankind's use of space because the next day we couldn't count on space to be there, but what you are reporting of the anti-satellite weapon that's currently in orbit, that shows the intent that russia is targeting our satellites. they are looking to destabilize our ability to operate and certainly has an impact well beyond our military but even to just even your shore, basic communications on our financial transactions. >> that's right. you make an important distinction there between what's been shot into space allegedly by russia. what about the nuclear-capable one, the potential for that. what do we know about that, and beyond the obvious, what are your concerns? >> well, i think this administration should move quickly to declassify the information really worldwide we can begin to have a discussion as to the nefarious actions that russia is taking to destabilize space and really, you know, in violation of the u.n. nuclear weapons treacy but also really a violation of what everyone is expecting for mankind's use of space. if the administration would declassify this, i think that we can work to prevent this satellite from being put in space. the day that it's up there, it's irreversible, and it can be catastrophic really for what we currently expect for the aspects of our daily lives when we future space. >> congressman, can you detail for us what other nations may look to employ similar technologies or at least sort of weaponize space or make our own existences there more difficult? where else should we be looking, beijing, tehran, where else? >> so china has a very aggressive anti-satellite weapon program. before using ground weapons to even destroy one of their own satellites in orbit resulting in a huge debris that, of course, is just threatening to other satellites. as a result of china's efforts to get into the business of producing anti-satellite weapons placing ours at risk, both weapons from the ground, weapons in space, the united states pursued a strategy of proliferation where the smaller satellites are more in number and also ability to repopulate if they should take out a satellite. we would be able to, as you think of starlink, put up many more satellites to fill in the space. problem with the nuclear weapon that russia is pursuing is it will wipe out everything in low earth orbit and make it unusable for up to a year. this is the most dangerous type of weapon. that's why there's a u.n. treaty against it, and the administration needs to strongly be moving to stop this from being placed in space. >> chairman, can i ask you about a slightly different subject. i've just come back from france, and there was concern there that -- that the olympics may be under some kind of terrorist threat. i mean, that's perhaps understandable, but specifically because people are starting to see a reconstitution of isis forces in syria and they are now deemed more of a global threat. what are you seeing on the isis front and how concerned are you about the olympics? >> well, i think we're always -- as you just noted, we're always concerned about the olympics because it's a high-profile, international event where many people are coming from across the globe and that i think it's certainly on the wish list of terrorist groups and organizations. what we're seeing in isis and both syria and certainly afghanistan as a result of our haphazard exit is a resurgence of isis, al qaeda-type influenced groups, even as you have reported, isis groups looking to bring people into the united states. we have director way of the fbi openly saying that there are individuals in our country who have isis affiliations, who pose a threat, who have come across the southern border. you're absolutely right. we're seeing a resurgence only of their interests and efforts and operations but their abilities to deploy to areas where there's a threat and a risk. >> mr. chairman, house speaker mike johnson recently announced his picks for two open spots on the intel committee, congressman scott perry of pennsylvania and ronny jackson of texas, jackson the former white house physician under president barack obama and donald trump. in 2022 he was demoted from the position of retired rear admiral to retired captain by the navy after a defense department inspector general found issues of inappropriate conduct when he was the top white house physician. congressman perry, head of the house freedom caucus, played a role in over turning the 2020 election, according to witnesses who testified before the january 6 panel. the fbi seized perry's phone in 2022 as part of the justice department's investigation into the effort to reverse the election results. so as you know, mr. chairman, it's not just democrats, it's not a partisan issue there. republicans quietly and some a little bit louder express concern about these two men having access to all the intelligence that you get on your committee. do you have concerns? >> both of the individuals have military background and experience, and neither of them have ever had any reported incident of misusing classified information. they have committed themselves to the rules of our committee. i think what's important here is speaker johnson after the controversy had arisen worked diligently with them and with members of our committee and even getting in touch with jim himes, my democrat ranking member, to ensure that they commit themselves to continuing our culture in the committee. in addition to having responsibility for, as you just said, classified material and some of the most important secrets of our country, we're also working on the national security issues of our country, and so their dedication to that requires that we have a bipartisan culture, a bipartisan working groups, and that the speaker has said, you know, he will enforce our rules with both of them, and they have made a commitment that they will abide by those rules. >> as you know, mr. chairman, ee our rules with them of them and they made a commitment they would abide by those rules. >> as you know, mr. chairman, both men's expressed concerns intelligence agency issues, and does that rhetoric concern you now that they are on your committee? >> i think on our committee, we are always concerned about members making statements that might compromise their ability to do the work that we have, but i think that, you know, from the point that they have joined our committee forward, i think they will be focused on national security issues and we look forward to them being productive members of the committee. they certainly have an opportunity to do so that >> thank you for your time this morning. we appreciate it. the biden/harris campaign has a 30-second spot featuring a michigan sheriff condemning trump's disrespect for democracy and law enforcement. >> fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you are not going to have a country anymore. >> he should have been stopped. as an officer, it's hard to see officers attacked. i will work with anybody who unites, and that's why i am with president joe biden. >> the ad is part of the campaign's $50 million paid media blitz and will run in all 50 states. and connecting things back to january 6th, and an endorsement in the last couple minutes from adam kinzinger. >> he did not run for re-election, and he made his distaste for donald trump well-known. the biden camp hopes it's a moment where, look, here's a republican crossing party lines saying donald trump is unfit for office, vote for joe biden, and this ad is part of the biden push on a few things here. certainly, democracy, but also decency and decorum. older americans, where these issues do resonate, and they remember the cold war well and don't want the chaos like they saw on january 6th. the biden team is doing well with the voters. >> yeah, and surprisingly well with older voters there. some republicans have been pushing baseless claims that president biden will be on drugs or even mount dew, and that's all straight ahead on "morning joe." this homestyle chicken salad wrap from subway this is how you do it. savory chicken, crisp veggies all wrapped up— these wraps are amazing. people can hear my thoughts? 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where they have energy. i think trump's team should not underestimate joe biden and his team's ability whether they are going to jack him up on mountain dew or whatever it is, look, the state of the union this year, he had a lot of energy for about an hour or hour and a half, but it doesn't mean what we are seeing is obviously throughout the day he can't carry that level of energy. >> what is so amazing about that, willie, is the jacked up on mountain dew theory did not come from some guy they picked up off the street, right? >> yeah. >> it was like rolling dice against the side of the wall or something. i am sitting halfway through going who is this guy? he's an elected member of congress who is on the house oversight committee, and he's talking about people being jacked up on mountain dew and they better be careful, because, you know, even old elderly people can be good every once in a while. >> just pop up out up-front coffin. >> yeah, they can turn around and suddenly have the largest nato alliance in history, and you have the best jobs numbers in 50 years. >> yeah, that can happen, too. >> they can take a swig of mountain dew one moment and the next moment the dollar could be at a all-time high. >> and pass more legislation than any president in modern day history. >> they can snort that mountain dew up through the nose and they could say, hey, i may be completely out of it but i'm going to put more bipartisan legislation than any other president since lbj, and that's what i am going to do. >> and lower the cost of diabetes medicine. i will just wake up and do that. >> like you say, willie, it shows how nervous they are. this is not how somebody who is competent acts. i never heard larry bird say magic johnson is going to be jacked up on mountain dew, and i don't know if i can beat the lakers. i can't believe i am saying this, trump is scared out of his mind. he's wining and whimpering because joe biden may -- >> know more than he does. >> i don't know. you tell me, why are they running so scared from joe biden, the guy they spent the last eight years saying he's out of his mind. >> first, i love mountain dew, and it's a safe and legal way to keep yourself jacked up for a test or something like. it's fantastic. it's remarkable, this is the entire argument. you heard a little of it from speaker johnson dabbling in it yesterday as well. we are expecting joe biden to do well, is what they are saying to the public, and we need a reason why he did well, whether it's mountain dew or much worse as trump and others suggested, another drug he might be on, and they watched the state of the union address and they were explained how energetic he was, and they needed a way to explain it away. we talk about split screens a lot, and we have the president of the united states at camp david preparing for that, and on the other side you have a camp talking almost exclusively about cocaine, about mountain dew and how about how the debate moderators are on the side of the president of the united states. >> first of all, i am rethinking about my morning beverage in the morning, and this was mountain dew, think about what i could do? bob, his attorney, stepping in and playing the role of donald trump ham kwrurg the issues. donald trump, meanwhile, last night appearing on news max being interviewed by his former campaign manager, and his team says that's how he is preparing, doing his hostile interviews, and so there's that, and we should note, news max had to run a disclaimer saying they accept the results of the 2020 election, and this is what we see, that donald trump is saying he's not preparing. he talked to aides but is not doing rehearsals. >> they are now acknowledging, joe biden be good at this. they are trying to lower expectations, and it seems like they are anticipating trump to go out there and repeat what happened in 2020, which is getting beaten badly by joe biden. >> yeah, mike johnson pushed aside the drugs, the harder stuff, but stayed on the narrative. >> there's a lot of things said in jest, and nobody expects joe biden to be on cocaine, and people are asking will he be on an energy drink or something? you can see his energy levels degree, and we expect he will do what he did on the state of the union, and the question is can he stay for 90 minutes on the stage and go toe-to-toe with president trump and goes to rallies and talks for two hours with anything or any notes. >> we wonders wildly about and he says world war ii will start, and he's -- >> wait a minute. >> he says barack obama is president of the united states, and he talks about sharks, and he talks about if i am in a boat that has an electric motor -- by the way, we have been in one, and you are okay, donny. >> trip, trip, trip, showers, lather -- >> machines, and, yeah, and he stays there about 90 minutes longer than he should and it doesn't go well. mike johnson saying, well, maybe not cocaine, but maybe some bc powders and rc cola. what is wrong with them? >> obviously they kind of over shot the runway on this old age thing and it could end up biting them. who knows what will happen? anything can happen on the debate stage. we now know donald trump. we have seen donald trump in all sorts of different challenging positions, including at press conferences, on the world stage, where he left a mess. let's just put it there. and in terms of debates or one-on-one interviews and town halls, he also tries to game the system, and he tries to get in the heads of the moderators, and with those less experienced, he succeeds. >> runs over them. >> yeah, runs over them and basically takes an hour for himself to talk to america about batteries or whatever else he wants to. there's that. going after the moderators in this case which is another collective effort by the trump campaign and trump himself is to set up monitors to feel like they have to over play the fairness. they know what they are doing. >> it's crazy. >> also with us, deputy managing editor, sam stein, and senior columnist for "the daily beast," matt lewis. >> we will talk about the debate, but quickly off the top, we ought to bring up sam stein, what happened in new york last night. we will talk about it down the road. a big upset. i guess it was not so much of an upset. i remember the squad losing. i was surprised, john avlon, going up against somebody that piled in, what, over a million dollars of their own money. >> yeah. >> and just won, and a landslide -- landslide john. >> sure did. we have the results from a few notable primaries. jamal bowman lost his primary in new york 16th district last night. and he was defeated by more than 16 votes with 84% of the vote in. the race grew contentious with democratic divisions over the israel-hamas war on full display. latimer has refused to critique netanyahu's government. he was backed by a $15 million ad by linked to a pro israel group. the westchester county executive is likely to cruise to election in november. >> it's hard to attack your opponent for being part of a zionist conspiracy when you represent a large number of jews in your own district. that is what i was surprised to read in the closing days of this campaign that he has a lot of new york jewish voters in his district, and this guy after october 7th, he didn't visit a synagogue and seemed like he was going out of his way to provoke. we talked yesterday about how politics is local. >> right. >> and it seems like he was playing for the national progressive states, which will work well in some districts and work well in vermont, but in his own district, probably not going to work, as we saw here, because he's got a lot of jewish voters in his district. >> yeah, it's an odd district. there's parts of the bronx and there's jewish populations, and bowman was an odd fit for that district. you saw problems in 2022, and saw problems prior to october 7th, and then, of course, as you know, being that outwardly critical of israel in that district was difficult. i think actually the real issue he ran into was not just that, but he obviously had a well-known opponent and tons and tons of money spent against him, and the real issue will end up being he was perceived for his own fault, i guess, in this case, was not being supportive enough of joe biden, and he voted against the infrastructure act and debt ceiling bill, and when you are running in a democratic primary even with joe biden's difficulties with the bases, it has been well documents, it's toxic to be opposed to your own party's president. he was hampered by that more than anything else in his race. >> he said strange things. he pulled the fire alarm at a certain time and swore an awful lot. if you are a republican and you are running in a contested primary, you will see "beetlejuice" or whatever you want to do and win big. democrats still have guardrails. john avlon won the first democratic primary, soaring to victory by 40 points with 90% of the vote in. avalon will face nick law lhota this november. the seat has been held by a republican by a decade, but that's a big win. >> that's a big win for john. he out raised his opponent and she piled in a ton of money near the end, so there was equity there. she was a well-known name in the district, but it looks like -- it looks like john worked really hard and got a lot of support from a lot of people out there and ended up winning overwhelmingly, 70% to 30%. this is a district that cook and a lot of other people said leans republican, and not quite safe republican, but certainly leans republican. i think republicans will take a second look at this race now and think somebody like avalon will be able to take it to a maga member of congress. a maga member of congress who represents the hamptons. there's a little rub there. we'll see how it goes. >> yeah, this is a sprawling district, new york's first. it goes all the way out to the east end of long island to the hamptons and then 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>> well, does he go with mountain dew baja blast or mountain dew code red? >> honestly. >> i thought that would go better, honestly. >> it was cute. >> honestly, to answer your questions, they want to create a contrast, and it's a classic conundrum they have. they don't want the race to be a referendum on a record as much as they want to think his record is great, and they want it to be on the agendas, and they will say we have done work on the economy and are getting there and we know we have more to do, and donald trump would set us back, and his policies are inflationary. our foreign policy will make tough policies, and we set up nato lines against russia, and donald trump will send us back, and that's the fundamental theme is what i expect, and the best one to play for biden, because they need the electorate to be focused not on biden so much but on trump. finally, i will just say this. biden's debate partner, dan pfeiffer, he wrote about this and it's true, and he's not just debating joe biden, but he's debating the caricature he set of joe biden. he has to clear a low bar, frankly, which is get up there and be attentive and assertive for 90 minutes and bypass this bizarre characterization that they have created as somebody that needs to be hopped up on mountain dew or whatever judge they suggest you have to take, and let the focus be on trump. >> it's interesting. we will be talking more about the veep stakes, and donald trump talking about picking his presidential running mate, maybe soon. you know, these are the kinds of things he could do during the debate just to deflect and to have something to talk about that he can talk about confidently. it certainly would not be foreign policy or policy or legislation or politics but picking something like little marco -- >> do you think he will call him that? >> that's what he used to call him, and there marco will be watching the debate and hoping he will be his vice president in terms of a running mate. that's what he will do to distract and buy time just to get through it. >> what i expect, matt lewis, if you are reading the tea leaves this week, sounds like they are suggesting the vice president pick may come this week, and if so, that's one more way they're hedging against a really bad debate loss, so what you do if you get bad headlights coming out the debate on friday morning, you make sure through the weekend they are not talking about the debate but instead they're talking about your vice president pick. even the leaking of that as a possibility is they are scared donald trump will blow this thing. >> yeah, bracket it if that's the contingency plan, and if the debate goes well we hold the announcement, and if it goes poorly, we bracket the announcement. donald trump is good about controlling the message, no doubt about that, and changing the suspect. it used to be something like a debate would be talked about for weeks on end and would dominate multiple news cycles. that may not be the case. it may be that he says or does something important or crazy, and that's what we are talking about a couple days from now. he's really good at that. bad at a lot of other things. good at driving the agenda and our attention. coming up, the latest on donald trump's classified documents case as prosecutors release new photos showing the haphazard way the former president was storing these classified materials inside his mar-a-lago club. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ♪ ♪ have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? 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>> well, mika, for a long time this issue has been politicized and polarized, but i think it's time for us to change how we look at it. instead of looking at it as a political issue to recognize it as what it is, which is a public health issue. the power of doing that is several fold. first, when our office historically identified an issue as a public issue that made it a more priority, an issue for the country. when my predecessor identified smoking as an important health issue and threat to the health of america, that helped to mobilize initiatives and brought sphobging rates down to 42% in 1964 to less than 12% where they are today. so that's the approach we have to take here. what is important, mika, for people to understand also, mik, is the issues of gun violence impacts millions of people across america. nearly 50,000 lives we lose each year to gun violence, and millions more in terms of people who were shot and injured and survive, and people that witness these incidents and family members that lose loved ones, and 6 out of 10 americans fear they will lose a loved one to violence, and kids are worried about shootings in their schools. >> you brought up the smoking parallel, which is interesting. you are right, you are correct, it immobilized initiatives and outreaches in schools and understanding about issues, and it mounted legal lawsuits and the legal recommend that was ignited by a sense of how dangerous cigarettes were. will that happen in this case? is that your hope? what gets us to banning automatic rifles, what gets us to the universal background checks? >> you identified some of them which are focused around firearm risk strategies, which is strengthening universal background checks and measures that puts time and space between firearms and individuals that seek to harm themselves and others. they also include community-based strategies, advances in expansions in our research funding as well as expanded access to mental health services. these are multiple strategies that we have offered for congress to consider and for the country to consider. they are actionable. one thing that gives me hope here, if you look at the last few years, we have seen some progress. five or six years ago, congress for the first time in decades put forward for funding for gun violence. a lot more has to happen there. two years ago, they addressed gun violence in 30 years. there's more we could do, and they should not be the last steps we will take and there are more actions we will need as a country. if we build on the strategies i laid out and come to the issue understanding what i am understanding and talking to people across america, everybody regardless of their background and age and what part of the country they live in want to live in a world where their kids can go to school where they don't have to worry about gun violence or they can go to church or walk down the street where they don't have to worry about being shot. and now this is affecting day-to-day decisions. i have to tell you about a grandmother i spoke to not long ago that told me that her grandchild is scared to wear lightup shoes, the shoes that flash when you take a step because he doesn't want to be a target for a shooting incident in his school. a mother i spoke to the other day who was tragically in a mass shooting incident and had to run from a shooter, she now doesn't wear flip flops when she goes outside because on that day she was in flip flops and found it hard to run and doesn't want to be in that situation. you see how it's affecting day-to-day decisions. it doesn't have to be this way. if we understand this as a country, and it affects all of us as a health concern, i think we can make progress in saving lives and reducing the total lost to gun violence. >> and this announcement is drawing applause from gun safety advocates and the american medical association. nobody can argue we have a crisis in front of us, it's right there in front with the data. some are saying this is nice but without the policy side of it, it's symbolic. how do you take this from where it's right now and push it forward so there's change in the country, and not to control guns but protect lives? >> i feel like we have respect lives and protect people and create a safer world and that's what we have to do here in america. what i hope this will do is -- there are a number of policy changes here for congress to consider. think about what happened with the 1964 tobacco report. that was a foundation for policy change as well as for a series of other educational changes we made across the country. if we come together as a nation and say, you know, this is time for us to make this a priority because it's now become a kid's issue, and i think we can make progress. let me underscore the kids issue. gun violence has become the leading cause of death among children and teens in america. that was not true a decade ago. it was not true two decades ago. it's true today. one thing i have seen in the past as a country is that we have been able to come together and do hard things in the past, and if there's ever a time when we should come together to take on an issue, it should be this one because it is affecting our children. what could be more important than their well-being? 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he's been in stories here. that ball deep into left field. >> a rough outing for yankees' ace, cole, his second start of the season at citi field in queens. no strikeouts. that's incredibly rare for him, giving up four home runs as well, and that left the yankees trailing. 75 rbis here at exactly the halfway point. the mets held on, 9-7. yankees try to split the series tonight back at citi field. >> the grimace era continues. >> it's amazing. they won 11 of 14. there were people at the game in grimace costumes. everybody is putting on purple and such. >> he threw out the first pitch a couple weeks ago. >> yeah, let's reset the a seve streak for the mets, it took over mets social media, the team and players have gotten into it now, mcdonald's has changed a lot of its advertising to be about grimace and the mets right now at least in the tri-state area and they continue to win and they're pushing their way into the playoff race a little bit. >> we have one of the nation's most foremost ad gurus joining the table, donny deutsch. >> i drove by citi field last night and there was a huge promotion for mcdonald's and the grimace. this is the kind of stuff you live for as an advertiser. a little nba news, an off-season trade adds another villanova alum to the knicks roster. mikal bridges reportedly being traded by the nets to the knicks. reuniting him with jalen brunson, josh heart, dante divincenzo, players who helped villanova win a pair of ncaa championships, the core of the knicks team that reached the semi-finals this season. the knicks paid big to get him with espn reporting the deal includes five first round draft picks with the nba draft starting tonight. lord stanley's cup is touring its new home with the panthers in florida where the championship celebration continued yesterday, the first stop for the iconic trophy was at the home of matthew tkachuk where the team held an after party, then the cup moved on to a fort lauderdale bar, pouring a drink down -- oh, my gosh, i don't know if that was a drink, that was a splash down on to the fan. later the team with the cup and a few hundred fans headed to the beach for a dip in the ocean. the panthers beat the oilers in game seven on monday night to win their first nhl title in franchise history, that official championship parade is set for this sunday. always fun, john, to watch with these guys. hockey players are a special breed of partier, i know a few of them, they always have a good time with the cup into there are no oceans in edmonton had the oilers won. there's legendary stories about where the cup goes because every player gets it for a day and it has come back dented and damaged and it's sort of beaten up, but it's the best trophy in sports, it means so much to these guys, it was a great, great series and, look, the panthers were in the finals last year, had lost, they win it this year, they've been good for a while. >> before we leave sports, mikal bridges, big pick up for the knicks. i know you're enjoying a moment this year, we're coming at you next year. >> this is me being not concerned at all. the celtics are prime to be good next year, too. it's a steep price for bridges but these are picks that will be in their 20s, first-round picks. this is a guy they've wanted for a long time. knicks are going for it to their credit. coming up, tomorrow's presidential debate offers joe biden and donald trump the opportunity to move the needle with voters. ahead of november. we will get some important perspective from presidential historian doris kearns goodwin ahead on "morning joe." 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welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe," it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. we're just one day away from this cycle's first general election debate. president joe biden remained at camp david yesterday to continue preparations, while donald trump is at mar-a-lago where he could announce his running mate, perhaps a deflection? nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez has the very latest. >> reporter: this morning a day before the historic debate between president biden and former president trump there are new signs the republican ticket could be set faster than expected. >> we will make a decision fairly soon and i think people will be very happy with this decision. >> reporter: four sources familiar with the situation tell nbc news there have been high-level discussions about moving the timeline for announcing trump's pick for vice president to as early as this week to make a splash. among the top contenders, north dakota governor doug burgum and senators j.d. vance and marco rubio, all expected to be here in atlanta for thursday night's debate, all at some point have criticized their possible running mate. burgum last year said he wouldn't do business with trump. >> i just think that it's important that you're judged by the company you keep. >> you wouldn't do business with him? >> no i wouldn't. >> reporter: this was vance back in 2016. >> i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. >> reporter: and this was rubio in 2016 when he ran for president against trump. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist. >> reporter: ahead of the debate trump and his allies are ramping up their attacks on president biden, accusing him, without evidence, of planning to use performance enhancing drugs tomorrow. >> he will come out all jacked up, right? all jacked up. >> reporter: the biden campaign firing back saying donald trump is so scared of being held accountable for his toxic agenda that he and his allies are resorting to desperate, obviously false lies. meanwhile, president biden's team is trying to win over moderate republican voters by announcing overnight the endorsement of former illinois congressman and frequent trump critic adam kinzinger. >> it's because of my unwavering support for democracy that today as a proud conservative i'm endorsing joe biden for reelection. >> reporter: also this morning results from closely watched house primaries, overnight jamal bowman a controversial progressive democrat from new york, a fierce critic of israel losing his race. in colorado outspoken trump supporter lauren boebert winning after switching districts. >> jonathan lemire is still with us and joining the conversation we have pulitzer prize winning author and presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, co-founder and ceo of all in together lauren liter and eugene daniels is with us. great group this hour. doris, what will you be looking for leading up to the sedate because you see the down playing the trump side is doing. all of a sudden joe biden is such a strong guy who could really eat him for lunch. >> surely it's just a battle of expectations and that really matters in terms of what you think the person is going to do. you know, for example, in the 1960s, the first ever debate, the expectations were that jfk was too young, too inexperienced, can you imagine that? we worried about him being too young, he was only going to be 43 when he was elected, the youngest president in history. all you needed him to do was stand up side by side to nixon so that he looked like he had stature. here i guess the question is you've got two older people, which one will have more vitality, which one will have more energy, which one will be able to connect with people more, which one will be able to present programs that those people will care about. it's really the same thing that always is. whatever they say about the expectations it's going to be what we think when we watch them. how do we feel and how do we come away after the debate is over? >> all right. hillary clinton has a new piece in the "new york times" and it's entitled "i debated trump and biden and here is what i'm watching for." she writes, it is a waste of time to try to refute mr. trump's arguments like in a normal debate, it's nearly impossible to identify what his arguments even are. he starts with nonsense and digresses into blather. this has only gotten worse in the years since we debated. yet expectations for him are so low that if he doesn't literally light himself on fire thursday evening, some will say he was down right presidential. these ploys will fall flat if president biden was a forceful when engaging republican hecklers at the state of the union address in march. secretary clinton advises viewers not to get hung up on the theatrics, instead she says to, quote, pay attention to how the candidates talk about people not just policies. try to see through the bluster and focus on the fundamentals at stake. and when you see these two men side-by-side, think about the real choice in this election. it's between chaos and competence. jonathan lemire, i would add also women's rights at stake. already 50 years of rights decimated and our health care common existent in some states when women need it in life-saving situations. i mean, the contrast is stark and yet donald trump has enored americans to his behavior. it will be like biden steps sideways one way the wrong direction and it's front page headlines, "wall street journal" front page report on joe biden's age and fitness, while donald trump acts crazy, literally every day, says something inappropriate, says something untrue, literally every day, and it's not even covered. it's protected on some networks, by the way. >> first to your point, abortion rights, abortion health care rights, are part of every conversation about this election and will loom large both tomorrow night but also of course on election day in november. but to secretary clinton's point there about ignoring the theatrics, that's difficult to do since donald trump is pretty much all theatrics, but the biden campaign's goal is indeed to provoke him on a few key issues. abortion rights you mentioned, also january 6th, democracy, guns, the list goes on. expect an early question about the 2020 election results. put trump on the spot in front of the national audience about who won four years ago. make him, if he chooses to do so again, bluster and lie. the idea is to turn off those voters, those swing voters, who are going to decide this thing, but more than that as a senior aide put it to me the other day, just remind americans, hey, this is who donald trump is and like it or not this is your choice, trump/biden. there's a lot of polling out there, americans unhappy with this race, but this is what it's going to be and the biden camp suggests that even if there are voters who don't really like either man they will recognize, lauren, that donald trump is simply an unacceptable option. so the stakes here are really high and biden aides have been telling me consistently that they think they have -- they acknowledge there are real risks here for president biden, but also real opportunity. >> yeah, i mean, low expectations in some ways are so low of the president. he's constantly underestimated, we saw that in the state of the union, this sort of surprise from people that, yes, he's competent and energetic and can show up and talk about the issues in ways that connect and he can call out republicans when they heckle him in the middle of the chamber. the republicans turn this around to this ridiculous conspiracy theory that somehow he was on drugs and that was the only way he could do that. when it comes to some of the core policy issues there's no question both be challenged on this. you can't not ask trump do you believe on criminalizing women for getting abortions? are you still proud of what dobbs has brought when millions of women are now denied health care? do you think -- one question i hope they will ask and i suspect dana bash may ask something like this, which is should women be turned away from hospitals when they're facing life-threatening consequences of complications from pregnancy? they are very simple questions to ask trump that paint a very clear picture about where he is and i think americans have forgotten in some ways, we've tuned him out. >> eugene, lauren laid out how president biden will go on the attack. let's get you to weigh in on how president biden may have to play defense on a few issues. republicans will make an issue of his age, okay, but there's also immigration, there's inflation which polls show americans are deeply concerned about even though it's trending in the right direction. talk to us about the playbook as to how the president and his team in wilmington will defend what he's done so far. >> we've seen actually over the last couple of months it's kind of how they -- what they plan to pull out of the toolbox. especially on immigration. right. you have the president saying for months that republicans didn't pass this bill because of donald trump, this bipartisan bill that came out of the senate, and so he had to act, right? so he did -- he did some restrictions at the border, but then he also loosened up some things for family members of immigrants. so these are the kinds of things he's going to come out with. he's going to talk about the -- his ability to do both and, creating an immigration process the best that he can from executive action in keeping things tight but also being humane. that is at the core of how they're operating. when it comes to inflation and the economy, what aides and allies of the president have been saying that he needs to do and what he probably will do on stage is admit to people that we know we have more work to do. we've done some things. inflation is down, things are better, right? they often talk about having the most resilient economy in the world. but americans don't care about that, right? they don't care how it compares to other countries. they compare -- they feel differently here, and he has to talk about that. i think that is something that joe biden is actually pretty good at, right? we have to be honest like he's better at saying to people i feel your pain, but he has to do that on stage in a way where you have donald trump yelling at him at the same time and that's going to be pretty difficult. >> well, i don't know if he will be yelling at him because they're going to cut mics. go ahead, doris. >> i think the thing that may show up is that biden has prepared much more for this debate than we know that president trump -- former president president trump has. jfk had a -- whatever nixon's statement were he knew how to counter him. the morning of the debate my husband said he is so anxious but he came into john kennedy's bedroom, he had his breakfast tray and he wasn't scared because he knew he had been prepared. he had worked harder than nixon who was in seclusion the day of the sedate. by the time the debate was ended and kennedy had understood the questions so well that my husband on the plane on the way back said we've won t the debate, it's over, the whole election is won. john kennedy simply smiled and said there is a long way to go. just as there was now. just as john kennedy was eating tomato soup and beer to relax, he said let's figure out what we did wrong, what we did right and going forward. preparation makes a difference and he was combined with knowledge, with facts. facts, how nice it was that he had a lot of facts about things that turned out to be true. i think we're going to see that biden was far better prepared and that really does make a difference in the end. that's what i'm expecting to see. >> i will counter that with one wild card here and that is that donald trump likes to shoot from the hip, he had his tv show for years, he knows how to just grab something in his brain and run with it, even if it kind of doesn't really apply to the subject at hand, he can weave it really well and in a way that's so distracting that it can throw whoever he's talking to, whether it be an actor or an actress, reality person on "the apprentice" or at a game show or at a pageant or whatever, he's been on stage, he's been under the lights, he's been in front of the camera for a great part of his life and he likes it. i think that can be dangerous. now, in gabe's report we heard from former republican congressman adam kinzinger and we want to play more of that. here is his full endorsement of president joe biden for reelection. >> i'm adam kinzinger and i'm a proud conservative. i always have been. as a proud conservative i've always put democracy and our constitution above all else and it's because of my unwavering support for democracy that today as a proud conservative i'm endorsing joe biden for reelection. my entire life has been guided by the conviction that america is a beacon of freedom, liberty and democracy. so while i certainly don't agree with president biden on everything and i never thought i would be endorsing a democrat for president, i know that he will always protect the very thing that makes america the best country in the world, our democracy. donald trump poses a direct threat to every fundamental american value. he doesn't care about our country, he doesn't care about you, he only cares about himself and he will hurt anyone or anything in pursuit of power. we saw that when he tried to overturn an election that he knew he lost in 2020. he attacked the foundation of this nation, encouraging a violent mob of his supporters to march on the capitol to prevent the peaceful transition of power. now he's become even more dangerous, he's called for termination of the constitution, he wants to be a dictator on day one, he actually said that, and he's continuing to stoke the flames of political violence. there's too much at stake to stay on the sidelines. so to every american of every political party and those of none, now is the time to unite behind joe biden and show donald trump off the stage once and for all. >> so, doris, do you think this helps, this along with all the disinformation networks not running the truth on their actual content, on their news shows, what do ads like this do? i mean, i think it could help a little bit, but there's so much noise out there. >> i actually do think it will help a little bit, reminding people of january 6th, reminding people of democracy and the timing of this ad i think is very important. just as it may well be that former president trump will figure out the vice presidential choice if he wants to take attention away from the debate this timing is really good. i think the important thing is there's not going to be an audience in this debate so that trump's capacity to get that audience going, that gives him the contagion back, the energy back, that rule will help. i think the fact that he can't interrupt will mean that the distractions that he usually uses as you rightly say he's been using for years can't be used. in a certain way they've gone back to what the rules were in 1960, there was no audience, they spoke to the cameras and it may be that that debate that took place in 2020 made america feel that somehow it was the worst debate in history, that america had lost. so these rules changes have allowed us to go back to what the normal debates would have been about and i think in a normal debate he will have much more trouble although you're right that the television studios may not carry those things, they will carry parts of it, but people will see the whole thing. it will be the most extraordinary debate since 1960. i wish i were the historian looking back on it and tell you what it would all be about. the candidates are usually so anxious, now the whole country is anxious. it's a different situation than it was when they would wake up in the morning and wondering what's going to happen today. we are wondering what's going to happen thursday night. >> presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, thank you so much. her latest book "an unfinished love story: a personal history of the 1960s" is on sale now. you've got to get t it's amazing. so lauren leader, i want to jump to new york politics which you know well. talk about what happened last night. jamaal bowman's loss, john avalon's win. >> i've been dying to talk about this. as you know i served in public office in westchester county, george latimer was one of the first people i met when i started doing new york politics. he has spent decades doing nothing but the most grassroots shoe leather politics you can imagine. it's important to remember, especially today, so many people are blaming the outside money from apac and progressives on twitter this morning have been railing against the outside interests, et cetera. it's dead wrong. the reality is that george wound up getting endorsed by local communities all over westchester. why? because he's shown up for those communities year after year, day after day. this is a guy who works seven days a week, never misses a meeting, never misses a parade, is at everything and knows the district inside and out. joe mall bowman i think is like a playbook in what not to do as a new congressman. he was detached from the district, didn't come to events, voted against the infrastructure bill which was fundamental to westchester. there were a lot of big infrastructure projects that needed to be funded. he didn't know people. i will just say on a personal level he came to see me when i was elected he wanted me to raise money for him and told me that he could win any race in new york and just sort of -- it was all bluster. i think, you know, you can blame apac if you want, obviously there was a lot of outside money, but at the end of the day this was a real grassroots campaign. george knocked on literally every democratic door in westchester. i want to put down the nonsense that somehow this election was bought. it was not. george did the work. >> bowman trying to nationalize the race and obviously didn't work here. eugene, certainly it's being perceived, there were local reasons why he lost, some of his behavior in the last few months called into question his judgment and voters were turned off by it, but it's seen as a blow for some of the progressives in the democratic party. your playbook this morning of which you are a co-author the headline is "the squad's next big fight." tell us about it. >> one of the things that's really interesting is we always -- we the royal we when talking about elections want it to be simple. but as lauren said this was a very complicated race. trying to discern whether or not it's how big of a blow it is to the progressive movement is pretty difficult but one thing we do know is that on capitol hill what you are hearing from moderates, from front liners, from people who are in those districts where this election is going to be won or lost for either biden or trump, they are saying that they are talking to their constituents, the people in districts like bowman's -- or latimer's, i guess, soon, and what they're hearing is they want people that are doing the work. they want people to come in and do the work. they don't want to have people that are just throwing bombs to throw bombs. it's creating this tension in the democratic party, in the house of representatives where you have the folks who they agree on almost all of the issues, right? they agree largely with bowman on israel or any of a host of other issues that he talked about in this campaign. they just don't like the way that he's doing it and the concern is that it's going to lose them the majority. they are not worried about this latimer seat but in other parts of the country they're worried that kind of the bomb throwing, the frustration that moderates may have, moderate voters may have with people in the squad, so to speak, are going to blow back and in all of these primaries make it much more difficult and possibly in the general election, much more difficult for them to keep the -- or try to win the house. and i will say the frustration is growing also with leadership because one person i talked to, one member of the house i talked to yesterday, a democrat, said that no one is telling them to calm down. you can talk about the issues you want, you can talk about the voters that you want to get, you can talk about israel, but there is a, quote, unquote, way to do it and that leadership isn't doing a great job at this point of telling them that, of calming them down in these moments. we will see how that shakes out, but it is a growing frustration and that's something that folks are watching. the squad kind of like getting over those hump with these colleagues is going to take some time. >> okay. we match so well. >> we do. >> let's let that shot stay up. so good. it's so good, right? >> it's perfect. it's perfect. >> keep the shot up. >> white house correspondent for "politico" eugene daniels, looking fabulous, thank you very much. and still ahead, why linkedin's co-founder is slamming wall street's valuation of trump's media group. plus music labels are going on the offensive against artificial intelligence. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will join us to break it all down. also ahead, the chemical burnoff after last year's ohio train derailment has now been determined not to have been necessary. great. we will have those details for you next. ve those details for u next th so many choices on booking.com there are so many tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles. mountain climbing tina at a cabin. or tree climbing tina at a beach resort. nice! booking.com booking.yeah. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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value. in an interview this this the linkedin co-founder said the valuation is absurdly out of the realm of normal. considering it brought in only about $4 million in revenue last year. shares of trump media, which began trading on the nasdaq in march, plummeted after the former president's felony convictions, but now is coming off a three-day rally that has seen the stock value soar by 36%. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box," andrew ross sorkin, also a columnist for "the new york times" and live again from the aspen ideas festival. i can't wait to hear about that. andrew, trump media stock, i guess, clawing back a little bit. what's going on there? >> i mean, i think it's still somewhat iexplicable and i would agree with reed who haveman it's $6 billion when you are creating $4 million in revenue, the company loses a lot of money, it's hard to understand how the numbers add up. the stock it fallen off -- it's off about 50% from its all time highs. after his conviction it dropped 30%, then as you mentioned yesterday up about 8.5%. this after a 36% rally just in the past couple of days. you try to understand what's happened even in the past couple days and you look online to try to see what the conversation is. there is some sense that maybe if the former president were to win, and that's a little bit of the bet by at least some of the folks who are investing in this company, that if he were to win and use this as his platform that he would explode and work. having said that, it's hard to see how that would be the case. truth social has been around now for quite some time and has not gained the kind of followers that you would think, even during this election period where people are trying to follow the election unto itself. and you would imagine might even want to follow what the former president has to say on truth social. a lot of what is said to the extent he says it on truth social ends up on x or other media platforms any way. it is hard to get your head around. one very important point about this, he owns a big stake in this but has not been able to sell his shares. those shares he will be able to sell in september which he may end up using to help facilitate and fund his campaign. there's another argument which we talked about on this broadcast which is really maybe trump supporters are effectively using this as a financing vehicle, if you will, for the campaign itself. >> it makes sense. andrew, now, you just sat down with the ceo of microsoft ai, who told you that the economics of information collection is rapidly changing due to ai. let's take a look at part of that interview. >> the economics of information are about to radically change because we're going to reduce the cost of production of knowledge to zero marginal cost. 15 or 20 years' time we will be producing new scientific, cultural knowledge at almost zero marginal cost. it will be widely open sourced and available to everybody and i think that is going to be, you know, a true inflection point in the history of our species because what are we collectively as an organism of humans other than a knowledge -- an intellectual production engine. we produce knowledge. our science makes us better. so what we really want in the world in my opinion are new engines that can turbo charge discovery and invention. >> our science makes us better. i mean, it can. this also sounds frightening in so many different ways. am i wrong? what are the different caveats here in what he was sharing with you on stage? >> you know, i think what mustafa said, the what are we piece, and this gets philosophical, what are we? in fact, we are content creators, we are a body of knowledge. if the value of that knowledge is diminished to zero or close to zero, what is the incentive in certain ways for humans both to create new knowledge and what are we doing here, right? i think there is a real question about that. so that is -- that is an issue hopefully we will not have to truly grapple with for at least another decade or two, though that could be within the time frame we're talking about. in the shorter term there's the question of the value of ip, intellectual property, the value of the conversation that we're having, the value that content creators have, you know, openai which is a partner of microsoft, it has been written and reported that they effectively at one point took youtube videos, they were running out of content to train on effectively so they took youtube videos, turned them into transcripts and then started training on the transcripts of the youtube videos. well, you would think that the value of those videos -- there is true value to those videos, openai thought there was value and the economics of that, right now openai is not paying those content creators and those with the ip. i think there's some huge questions that all of this is going to create both in the immediate economic sense but then as we said philosophically as humans what are we? what are we all doing? >> wow. it's really kind of a lot. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. i look forward to hearing more there. thank you for joining us. okay. this is really important. a new study finds that a state law banning abortions in texas could be behind a sharp uptick in iant mortality across the state. take a listen. according to researchers, the ban contributed to a 13% increase in deaths of babies less than a year old. the study compared infant death rates in texas to more than two dozen other states between 2018 to 2022. in texas infant deaths spiked the year the state's abortion ban was passed. deaths in the rest of the country increased by only 2% comparatively. the texas law is one of the strictest in the country. it prohibits abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, usually at about six weeks into the pregnancy, when a woman perhaps doesn't even know she's pregnant. it does not allow exceptions for rape, incest or fatal defects in a fetus. it's pretty sick. for the party of trump and you support this? you are the party of death, you are not the party of life. lauren, i will ask you to comment on this, but seriously, you are the party, republicans, supporting a presidential candidate that doesn't want to save lives, that wants to take lives. okay? of not just babies, but of women who are left without the health care they need, who are left to bleed out, who are left not getting procedures they need that could save their lives, that could prevent them from being sterilized, that could prevent their families from mental anguish and agony and losing the mother of a household. so that's the party trump is running right now. it's the party that takes lives. and this data is beginning to back that up. and this data, lauren s just about babies, babies that are dying since the bans were put in effect. think about the women whose lives are on the line if they live in texas. >> the suffering is pretty stunning and i think in some ways the study is not surprising because part of what the abortion ban in texas has done has been to force women to deliver nonviable fetuses, nonviable babies, since that's what the supposed pro-life movement wants to call them. that's what's so perverse about all of this. by forcing the women to carry these pregnancies to term, even when the child may have no chance of life, you're inflicting a level of suffering on these families that's just so completely unnecessary and sick, as you say. i also think it's important to notice that -- to note that the other data that's been coming out is that the number of abortions since the dobbs decision has increased. they have not decreased. so if the goal of the supposed pro-life movement is to preserve life, you know, you have to ask why are they not investing in better postnatal and prenatal care? why are they not supporting welfare services for families being forced to have babies? why is it that the number of abortions are actually going up? it's the total hypocrisy of these laws which won't work, which inflict extraordinary levels of suffering on families, which are forcing women to give birth in many cases to stillborn children. it's just -- it's just appalling. >> it really is. co-founder and ceo of all in together, lauren liter, thank you for coming on this week. we really appreciate it. coming up, as russia's war in ukraine enters its third summer the war-torn country is striking russia's fuel depose in an attempt to drain vladimir putin's wallet. plus the latest on the trial of "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich which began today in a russian court. that's next on "morning joe." that's next on "morning joe. sure, i'm a paid actor, and this is not a real company, but there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. search talent all over the world with over 10,000 skills you may not have in house. more than 30% of the fortune 500 use upwork because this is how we work now. power e*trade's 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yesterday during violent protests over a new tax law. thousands stormed the country's parliament building, setting it and several other government buildings on fire before being shot at by police. according to kenya's medical association, police killed at least five people who were trying to treat wounded individuals at the scene. the protests also spread to other parts of the capital city. the associated press reports police also fired at protesters who were seeking medical attention at a nearby church. the trial of "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich began today in a russian court. gershkovich who is considered wrongfully detained by the u.s. was taken into russian custody back in march of 2023 on espionage charges. the ap reports his conviction is almost a certainty. with russian courts convicting more than 99% of defendants who come before them. if convicted, gershkovich faces up to 20 years in prison. meanwhile, the war in ukraine enters its third summer of fighting. reuters reporting this month there's been an uptick in ukrainian drone strikes on fuel depots outside russia. ukraine -- inside russia. ukraine argues that oil depots and refineries are legitimate targets as they help to support moscow's war efforts. joining us now former supreme allied commander of nato, retired four star navy admiral james stavridis, and former reporter for the "wall street journal," russia expert matthew brzezinski. admiral, i want to back up to evan gershkovich and to the trial that's now beginning. there's so many efforts to free evan, to bring him home, his family is desperately waiting for him to come home but what does this signify to you that they are moving forward with the trial? >> clearly vladimir putin will continue to distort this tormented, dis taupe pick, quote, justice system in russia for geopolitical gain. lesson one, if you are an american citizen don't go anywhere near russia, pay attention to state department warnings against doing so. number two, in terms of evan, i think his best chance is going to be a negotiation of some kind that does a hostage exchange, if you will. whether the u.s. can come up with somebody that would be attractive to putin or not remains to be seen. i do know from my conversations with the administration that the situation for evan, for paul whelan, for other americans held abroad is absolutely top of mind. they will continue to press on it. but bottom line, as usual, we learn how rotten the kremlin is in the way they are manipulating this reporter. >> the biden administration officials have been clear publicly and privately they are working tirelessly to bring him home, but donald trump's rhetoric about the matter suggesting that putin would release him only to trump deemed certainly unhelpful and frankly down right dangerous. matthew, let's go back to the other story which is this idea of these strikes hitting russian oil depots and the like. a fuel war, if you will. tell us the impact, what it may have on russia's military efforts, but also as, you know, winter will be here before we know it in that part of the world, certainly explain to us the challenge that ukraine has with its own energy crisis. >> well, good morning. very quickly, i used to have evan's job when i was based in moscow and so for me it's actually personally heartbreaking what they're doing to him, using him effectively as a political hostage. now, talking about the sort of parallel war that's going on between russia and ukraine, away from the battlefield, this is the energy war. as you mentioned, ukrainians are going after oil depots and refineries to try to hit putin in his wallet so that he can't finance the war, and literally every single oil depot near the ukrainian border they've struck because of course a tank with an empty fuel tank is effectively useless. now, what's very interesting is what the russians are doing. the russians can't use their usual military doctrine which is to go in and just literally level the place. carpet bomb cities before sending in their troops. putin is hamstrung by his own propaganda. remember, he is going into ukraine to save his slovic cousins from the nazi regime of the decadent west. he can't very well kill them all. instead he will make everybody's life as miserable as possible by targeting the electricity grid. they have been extremely successful at doing this. they have knocked out half of ukraine's electricity generating capacity and what this means is now there are rolling blackouts, daily eight-hour rolling blackouts and this, as mika might say we brzezinskis don't like -- it's not in our dna to praise the russians but this is a fiendishly clever strategy. for any of us who have gone through a power failure, the first few minutes you light a candle, in ten minutes the kids are complaining that the internet is down, you can't make dinner, the air conditioning and heating is off, the lights are off, the food is going to spoil. >> right. >> you have to walk up 20 flights of stairs. this will get old very quickly. now the ukrainian people are going to have to endure this on a daily basis and the main state utility warned in some places they could go to 20 hours a day without electricity if things don't improve. what's going to happen very likely is i think people's appetite for this war is going to wane dramatically and they're going to start putting pressure on ukrainian leaders to, look, give them the darn territory, let's end this, we want our lives to go back to normal. it's a very, very clever strategy and reasonably humane so you are not creating a gaza writ large in kyiv or odesa or these places. >> admiral, let's get your assessment of what you're seeing on the fuel war and the parallel one on the front. >> let's go to the front lines for a moment. here in recent months, jonathan, as you know, the russians appear to be kind of on the front foot, they were leaning into that northeast corner where the second largest city of ukraine is located. that was then abetted by the -- all the things matthew just talked about. however, because the u.s. congress finally got the $60 billion moving, that aid, that military aid is coming online, nato allies are matching that, i think now i would score it -- they're going to start arriving in numbers over the next few months. i think that might make a difference in the ground war. and then finally, you know, the admiral is going to bring up the black sea and the naval battles. here there's good news for the ukrainians. they've sunk or severely damaged almost half of the russian black sea fleet, yet they don't even have a navy. they've done that with uav, drones, all kinds of exquisite intelligence, cruise missiles, it's a very effective campaign. and to the economics of this, keeping the black sea open for shipping so that ukraine can export its grain and keep its wallet at least marginally full is going to be a big part of this. >> retired admiral james 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they get into a lot. i think we start with the character of sam played by lupita nyong'o, she's coming into the city for a day trip, then thousands of creatures rain down on the city and they have to deal with that. >> so the creatures here are much more visible and present than the original two films. why make that choice? >> i think we kind of upped the scale on this film so we need to have more quantity, more excitement in that way, but we sort of parsed them out a little bit so that they're not -- they're not overdone. we still keep them in the shadows enough that it stays creepy, but, yeah, i mean, we were in new york city before the movies we were in a rural environment so you want to up it accordingly. >> djimon, the first two obviously massive hits. what drew you to this story? >> well, it was the success of the first one and that i was offered to be in the second one, but i have to say that the accomplishment here is to have michael keeping, you know, the story being a character-driven narrative as the first one and the second one, but here this is a unique horrific terror taking place. the stage is new york city, the loudest city in the world, the city that never sleeps and so it's quite -- yeah, it's quite an amazing -- >> if we stepped out on 49th street right now we would all be doomed considering how loud it is to be sure. let's take a look at another clip here where the film's characters navigate the dangers of their new silent reality. >> so, djimon, as you sat down i confessed to you that i am not one for horror films, you said this is a different type of horror movie. >> for me as a character in a story, i've played these characters similar to, you know, the one i'm playing here, but this is an environment and what you're dealing with here, it's so much more challenging, almost like hopeless, you know, this idea of surviving is almost hopeless. >> and, michael, give us the final word here as audience members who have such fond memories of the first two prepare to see this one. >> i think for audience members if you loved the scares of the first two we've dialed that up even more. if you loved the character dramas but the first one was a human drama about a family, you will have that in a very different way with a very unique character and it becomes very intimate and very moving and i think will satisfy both the scares and also that authentic character drama that people have come to expect. >> the new movie "a quiet place day one" is in theaters this friday. actor djimon hounsou and director and writer michael sarnoski, thank you both. we really appreciate it. congratulations. >> thank you so much. and that does it for us this morning. we will be back here tomorrow 6:00 a.m. eastern for more "morning joe." ana cabrera picks up our msnbc coverage in just one minute. ute. , there's another option. one dose quickly stops migraine in its tracks. treat it anytime, anywhere without worrying where you are or if it's too late. 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