welcome to the beat, let's get right to it. we begin with the unprecedented collision of law and politics that america is facing in 2024 whether we like it or not, whether we are all tired of, which i get that the nation has never never put a former president on trial. prosecutors are working on that task even as donald trump's civil fraud trials go through 2023 and on 2024, he faces several criminal trials in different jurisdictions while running for president. again special counsel jack smith in the prosecution of trump's two in washington and the intelligence documents cases in florida, the atlanta ea pushing for those rico trials after winning convictions of trumpet aids through 2023 and the smaller criminal case in new york. you've got over 90 felonies charged. that's not normal even if it has been normalized. first the trial initially slated for march, while the schedules can change, america is facing more serious warnings from people who know about this, actual legal experts discussing a very real possibility that one of the major political parties in america, the republican party, will ultimately rally around and keep a nominee who might also be a convicted felon who has legally lost his right to vote. >> even half of what is alleged is accepted by a jury, he will be convicted. >> if the judges are right, i think he will be in deep trouble. >> this is game over. >> election day, you will be heading to the polls to vote and that something that donald trump will not be able to do because he will be convicted of felonies before then. >> oh snap, if you want to take that political you say that was a rival pointing out the indignity that donald trump could be a convicted felon not allowed to vote on election day but the more serious point is not just that chris christie is a rival, he's a former prosecutor and he saying something that if you are not in the maga bubble would normally penetrate every other part of thinking serious america which is with so many people available to run for president, why would you go with the one who's not only potentially a convicted felon but convicted for trying to overthrow a democracy? that's one wing. then against that backdrop, trump and his allies are clear that he has plans if elected, to wipe out the cases against him, abuse power, courts are supposed to stop that but trump has even floated the idea of pardoning the violent felons involved in the insurrection against america. convictions, usually drive american politicians from office and we should note, their independence who tell pollsters that the last straw would be a ump conviction but more and more publicans are saying the opposite. there has been a rise in those who don't want to ditch trump even if he were convicted by a jury of his peers of actually trying to end democracy as we know it. the flipside is you still have a large chunk of republicans who said they would not support him if convicted and that matters. there are clear warnings about what he would do, about being more authoritarian in the second term and the polling goes to a final point about the math. for all the talk about trump sticking around or getting away with stuff, there's still not here, he may not what you told learn the math but trump lost to joe biden by 7 million votes last time. he can't afford to lose more votes which is what the polling just showed, that some republicans would abandon him, if anything he would have to claw back more support in 2024 to get near the white house. a convicted nominee would be new but i also want to mention that it's also true american politics has faced all kinds of legal and legal issue type of drama before. indeed, in the last few decades we've seen a spike in what you may call legally adjacent policy , some may be more justified than others but it's happened more often and sometimes the seemingly endless rounds of dc- based congressional and sometimes partisan investigations. i mentioned that because her next guest knows all of those roles as a criminal prosecutor and former counsel to congressional investigations, we are joined by our friend john flannery. i walked through what we might see here, looking at 2024, your thoughts? >> i thought you did a great run through, all the key points that suggest to us that we are at a critical election and we say this often in elections but this one is so disproportionate, looking through the history of this country from our revolution to today, that there's nothing that compares with the outrageous conduct of a man who lied to america to become president, now lies to try to get elected again claiming he didn't lose the last election. richard hofstetter was a terrific analyst, both historian, and he looked at these kind of things. and he called it the paranoid style of politics. and he asked, what is your style of mind. and the question that he really raised which is the most pertinent and what we are observing today, is that, how much can you leverage the passions and hate of a minority to control a political atmosphere. we see it in the small way, mccarthy, but the sky, trump, he wins the sweepstakes. he, or abandon, has read enough to munich these bad past movements, and it has compromised america. i agree with you, the numbers are still good, and what we see is a shift against the money that they need to continue the fight -- >> yeah, i will jump in, i will jump in and say, john, you call the numbers good, my observation is that the numbers are still pretty anti-felons as presidents, which i think is a very low bar and a reasonable one. you mentioned hofstetter, he also wrote anti-intellectualism in american life and by your bowtie, i can tell you like that one, too. let me talk about the wider pressure. take a look. >> if you ever got another donald trump term, he's letting you know, i am your retribution. >> i am your retribution. >> donald trump won't deny that he has plans. >> uses you're not going to be a dictator i say no, no, other than day one. >> he's not a conservative, he's an authoritarian narcissist. >> if i see somebody who is doing well and beating me badly i say go down and indict them. >> the lesson of donald trump, of the last several years, the lesson has taught us that we have to take him seriously. >> that includes conservatives, i've got about 45 seconds, john, your thought on tying this together? >> you are not it for one day, and it's a message clear to all of his supporters that we are going to kick and take names and we are not going to accept the inside group, the deep state and all of the other things that drive the minority of maga people crazy. >> as you say, to properly understand, we look at this and say yes, we all understand there are politics, if somebody listened closely to you and studied your career, they might know where you stand on certain issues of liberal progress or civil rights, but we are not talking about that right now. that altitude, we are talking about the deeper question of, are we going to keep this republican are we going to have an informed citizenry that pushes back against a public authoritarian campaign that's running itself quite brazenly, or does that dissipate because we are too divided or two brain rushed to say. we appreciate you, if you want to end it, what is your final hope for the year? >> well, my hope is that we can answer the question that franklin asked, you have a republic if you can keep it. we have to fight to keep it. it's worth it. we need to see what it's like without democracy. >> yes sir, counselor, thank you. i appreciate it. we have news in the atlanta rico case, the da is speaking out and kevin mccarthy, he had a tough year as mr. t might say, he brought it on himself but he had a humiliating year, tonight he says goodbye and we have a fact check about why he went out with a whimper. after all this talk about what is going on in your actual economy from stocks to jobs, there's been a lot of problems this year but the biden white house says they are winning. we will explain with some special guests. i am back with you in just 60 seconds. 60 se cond s. me stops. 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>> sure. >> you didn't put anything in there. i put hope in there. >> biden's economic policies have been a disaster for our country. >> riding on it just works, the november jobs report came out and under president biden's leadership saw a gain of 199,000 jobs. >> so, those are actually real people, having the debate. and it goes to something that we are seeing out here which is a wider gap perhaps unusual, the ap said that the economy is getting stronger but voters feel, quote, horrible about it, and many americans would even say their personal finances are decent but when they're asked about the broader economy they still say it's bad. our colleague here at msnbc chris hayes was reporting on the same issue here. this gap between what we can understand with economic data, even with the caveats that it's complex and how everyone is feeling. >> you can see on the chart, the blue line, how you would expect people to feel about economic numbers and the redline, how they actually feel, have usually been insync. when things get worse people feel worse. right now there's a huge between them. that golf does not exist in similar wealthy countries like france or germany and the uk. it's only here. even though we are doing better than those places. >> chris is making a very fair point with the data and the gap and as our friend marvin gaye said, what's going on? well, i'm sorry the story ends this way but we are just charting this out. if it's not happening in other places that don't have well this kind of right wing echo chamber, that could be a big factor, which is, facing what i showed you that trump's predictions didn't come true and inflation to drop and the wall streetlly is happening this week exceeds me, so dramatic, i'm losing my voice, amidst all of that, you can deal with that so you might have to just lie about it or spin it or have a relentless conservative onslaught suggesting there something wrong with "bidenomics". >> between his endless reckless spending and soaring inflation, "bidenomics" is crippling our economy. >> we've just seen disastrous results. >> when it comes to economics, president biden is like a hog on ice. >> their agenda, can be summed up in the acronym, spd, scarcity, poverty and depravity. >> inflation loves present biden like the devil love sin. >> okay. what's going on there, those are clips and if you keep your sanity, they might be laughable but what if that is what you watch for hours and months and years on into even at the point where your 401(k) might go up a little bit or the job market improves, that doesn't fix everything, you see that so much you don't even notice the other data points. we have obama veteran jake, and journalist michael hit sick for the wider view, next. delectables. delickables? 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>> i don't think it's a riddle. the biden economy is great. when people say they are unhappy with the biden economy, what they really say is they are unhappy with his age. they simply do not want to look like a just tickets, who are constantly harping on how this guy is too old to be president, so there justifying their disapproval by saying, i don't like the economy either. >> do you think they are insecure when the pollsters call? >> you have to understand how presidential feelings work. people often lie to themselves as well as lying to others about their actual feelings when it comes to bigotry and prejudice. >> michael did you know it would give this deep right after the that? >> certainly when it came to the political issues here, i think there are two economic issues that really play into this. one of them is something that jerome powell, the chairman of the fed mentioned just yesterday, when he announced, he gave his press conference after the fed decision on interest rates. and that is that even to the extent that people are aware that inflation has come way down over the last six months or a year, what they are looking for, is for prices to come down. and that's not happening everywhere, it's happening in some sectors, certainly gasoline has come down and in parts of this country can get a gallon of gasoline in the two dollar range. fuel and oil as we enter the winter, that has come down, used cars are cheaper, the inflation rate on food is really very low, but prices of food having gone back to what they were in 2019, and that is what i think a lot of people focus on. now, the other aspect of this is that what we know just from history, is that people's perception of the economy, always has a lag, especially when there is an inflection point going from high inflation to low inflation, from no growth to high-growth, and i think that's where we are right now. -- >> let me jump in, what portion is the price thing and what portion is the lag and what, if any, is the echo chamber that we discussed, just to drill on your analysis. >> i think the echo chamber has a lot to do with it. as you showed, if you were listening to fox news, you are being told constantly that the biden economy is a disaster and you don't get many details about what is disastrous about it. and i think if you are watching tv generally are listening to radio, you are getting a lot of advertisements from investment promoters, who are basically constitutionally, leaning toward painting the economy as bad, so that they can sell you on something new, they can say, we know the economy stinks, so you should buy gold or bitcoin or something like that and that gets drummed into people's minds but over time, you know, more of the public will recognize that things are actually pretty good. >> people are not acting in terms of what they are saying they are feeling, you know, we are in the midst of a record christmas shopping season, business startups are at an all- time high. if people were really worried about inflation and the economy, those things would not be occurring. when i think is happening is people are claiming and unhappiness with the economy that is really about how they feel about joe biden and his age. >> let's put a number up and see what you say. the pulling on who do you trust in the economy, you are saying it could just be this leaning indicator, trump and 47%, biden, 36%. some of your former colleagues at the white house, they are banging their head against the wall looking at this. you are saying to only look at this on what it's claim to be is a mystery. >> people rationalize their presidential feelings in different ways, lots of times they believe in conspiracy theories when they really don't believe in them, they say i support from because of the deep state, they don't want to say, there's too many brown people in my neighborhood. that's the way this works. i can attest to that, i am an indian american, i'm a husky gentleman. >> a husky gentleman? >> certainly people judge you based on your body, based on your appearance and that has this comes out in ways that are not wholly rational, that are not wholly forthright but they do come out, so when people say they are unhappy with the biden economy, what they are unhappy with is his age. joe biden need to talk frankly with the american people. >> michael, do you see how real jake keeps it? >> hold on, i still have a question. which is, you can respond that but also, for you, michael, i want to show some democratic division on the related point which is interesting, the house democrats, they've got to run their own races, some of them say they are ditching the "bidenomics" messaging even amidst all of the data. >> i think "bidenomics", it may have a hangover of negative connotations that i think that will change as people's recognition of what happened in the economy changes and going to the point, if you look at what people do as opposed to what they say and especially what they tell pollsters, they are buying, they are treating this economy as though it is healthy. we had economic growth in the last quarter of an annualized 5.2%, that is the consumer economy at work. and what we see, i think a lot of opinion polls is people saying, things are fine for me but for the economy as a whole, they are not so great so they are really reacting to sort of the vibes that are out there rather than what they see around their own kitchen table. >> the vibe check. i think it's all fair. the other thing is, people prefer to talk about things that they fully understand and this has math and it's confusing and it's complicated and we showed the recession production, and it's also, someone says i heard this and they just repeat what they heard that gives you extra food for thought. good to see you both. ahead, we have a fact check, donald trump is going on the attack over crime. an odd issue for him to pick and i'll show you what he got wrong but first new remarks from the da on the georgia rico case. rico case take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you've had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor if entresto is right for you. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? 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>> is this ridiculous? >> i think your family wants you home for thanksgiving. >> special coverage of the mueller report, which is so voluminous, we've been making our way through it. >> it's a substantial finding there. what does no exoneration on obstruction mean to you? >> what does no crime mean also. >> the reason we are in there is because of stone. >> i get that. >> most of it was about roger stone. >> have you provided any formal counsel to trump or his aides or accepted any money? >> have i accepted money, i'm a liberal democrat. >> it's a great honor to present a constitutional argument against the impeachment. >> you wrote a report. >> i gave them, this is great. >> this is great? >> go ahead, sir. >> i don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice. >> that was not true, was it? >> i have no obligation to be honest to the media. >> we are live in manchester, new hampshire, you can see some of the energy all around me . >> the reason i went for bernie was because of msnbc. >> go on. >> the stop bernie cynicism that i heard from a number of people, it made me angry enough and i said okay, bernie has my vote. >> we just want justice. >> dogs have a lot of rights, they don't have a right to vote. >> i am declaring a national emergency. >> we are dealing with a formidable virus. >> truth helps combat the spread of the virus. >> we have this information which we didn't have until today . >> joe biden, president-elect. >> donald trump is the loser. >> i'm from a place where you probably can't go, speaking for a people that you probably ain't no. pressure buildup and it's probably going to blow. >> it's not fraudulent electors, it's alternate collectors. >> we just saw protesters walking through statutory hall. >> we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capitol hill, ready to implement this. >> do you realize that you are describing a coup? >> no. they put me in leg irons, they stick me in a cell. >> he has so much knowledge as to share with the journalist but he refuses to share that. >> that's punitive. what they did to me today, violated the constitution. >> the laws aren't for everybody. they are not pay >> you have no right to put your knee on that neck pay >> we don't think enough is being done about racial terror. >> we want to say, how did we get there? >> with effort, we can change history . >> obama did. >> obama did. well let's start there. >> one of my favorite lyrics started as a joke. >> find your way. it can be done. >> you have to remind yourself . >> wu-tang clan. >> ari! >> i have to speak up if i see any injustice. >> you've got to taste this. >> it's the hardest thing to catch a wave, that's life, man. >> delicious. >> you have to have a center no matter who you are. >> our battle at the beginning was sexuality. >> how wonderful this experience is. >> one of my favorite channels on the television. >> you are part of the natural world. >> earth is in space and we are all on earth. >> my god! there goes the red wave. >> we are in a cold civil war. >> i think comedy should be criticized. >> it's dangerous for me to step in the political arena. >> the only new show with a lighter. >> thank you very much, method man. >> you are one of ours. >> kamala harris is -- >> almost done with this interview. >> don't tell cbs! >> come on.. >> this is ending toxic masculinity right here. >> like this it, don't worry if i write rhymes, i write checks. >> that's it! >> that's it. what a year, what a journey, we are so thankful to not only all of the great gets you saw there but so many more. you are looking at live pictures here as we mark the end of the year with the holidays, the big tree at rockefeller center and i've got for you, in fact check on why donald trump shouldn't be talking about crime in chicago. . it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day. many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin while some saw up to 100% clear skin. and, they felt dramatic and fast itch relief some as early as 2 days. that's rinvoq relief. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers including lymphoma and skin cancer, death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq, as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. disrupt the itch and rash of eczema. talk to your doctor about rinvoq. learn how abbvie can help you save. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're building a better postal service. for more on-time deliveries. and easier, affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. so when my doctor told me i needed weight loss surgery, the united states postal service. i knew i had to make a change. golo's helped me transition to a healthier, sustainable lifestyle. i'm so surprised just how crazy my metabolism has fired up. i have a trust in golo 'cause i know it works. golo isn't like every other program out there, and i'm living proof of it. (announcer) change your life at golo.com. that's golo.com. - [speaker] at first, just leaving the house was hard. - [speaker] but wounded warrior project helps you realize it's possible to get out there - [speaker] to feel sense of camaraderie again. - [speaker] to find the tools to live life better. - [narrator] through generous community support, we've connected warriors and their families with no cost physical and mental health services, legislative advocacy, career assistance, and life skill training for 20 years, and we are just getting started. if you listen to top republicans or watch fox news you hear many attacks on chicago for gun violence and gangs, and while there are those problems there, they are measurably as bad or worse in other places, including the gun violence idemic in states red and blue, in malls and schools, and gun crime rates are actually higher in some red states if you want to use that political lens, which is why these attacks are so flimsy and seem more like trying to stoke fear about these specific population of chicago. >> innocent people in chicago are victimized by a justice system that cares more about political correctness. >> they hand over control to a once great american city to violent criminals. >> what's going on in chicago? i said the other day, what the hell is going on? >> there are many different ways to respond to that, and we here report on the actual data, gun violence of course a sad and enduring part of life in america these days. we hear from law enforcement, city officials. you can also hear from citizens of chicago. and in fact, we recently asked a major artist out of that city, lil durk, about these attacks. his response made many headlines. those are actual news stories about part of our "beat" interview with him, which we haven't even aired on tv yet. we put it online on youtube and it made headlines. so we have shown you some excerpts from that fuller 30-minute discussion. our first excerpts on the show did not even reach that trump exchange we were talking about frankly some other important things besides the former president, but right now, airing for the first time, is that response from lil durk that make so much news. >> you do have these politicians that are trying to say, oh, chicago is the only place with violence. chicago is the only place with guns. and that's not true. the murder rate right now is higher in some of the predominantly red states, rural areas even, with a high gun usage rate. higher than in chicago. >> i really don't pay it no mind because there's violence everywhere. every city has their moment. >> given what you have seen, what do you say to young kids who on the one hand might want to end up where you are with what you're doing right now, but on the other hand are thinking about picking up a weapon or feel they're in danger. >> i feel, we can say what we're going to say to save them. but it's different when you're up close and personal and you are in their woods in virgin giving out turkeys or bookbags. >> so that's some of the response there from lil durk. beyond the politics there, therapy and other important and serious topics which i showed you the first excerpts of this interview. we also had fun and did our classic "beat" lightning round. >> how come you didn't bring a million dollars in cash to this interview? >> because for one, we incali. i don't want them to tax me on it. ♪♪ >> i'm going to guess nobody ever asked this. is drake correct, was she smirking? >> i hope so. drake got his own world called drake's world. if he said he seen it. >> i bet you don't want to mess with it. can you explain? >> lame, goofy acting. overdoing your part. you can ask right now, like, what can i say to lil durk to make my interview better. >> don't think i didn't. in a word or a sentence, chicago. >> good. >> something you called the drake effect. >> culture. >> culture, okay. because you're in the culture. the trench has taught me -- >> how to be who i am today and survive anyplace on earth. >> therapy is good for -- >> mental illness, being able to express your feelings when you feel like you got nobody, and relief from your past. >> i thought it was over when -- >> when i started losing friends. >> i knew i made it when -- >> when i picked up a microphone. >> failure means -- >> a second chance. >> success means -- >> success means you made it. >> finally, being healed means -- >> you can never be healed. you can always be in the process of healing, but you can never be fully healed. me, i'm going to say me. >> you can never be fully healed. that's pretty deep. the album is almost healed. that full 30-minute interview is available on youtube now. you can go to msnbc.com/ari, which brings up our youtube playlist where you can see our recent political and legal segments and the lil durk sitdown. shout out to lil durk. we talked about everything from gun violence to friends who have been killed to his response to the former president. if you haven't heard of him, that's fine, but think about the artists that were popping when you were 20 or 25 and how they were treated then and whether we should be listening and learning together. we find that's a valuable part. we appreciate him coming through, and shout out to the culture. now, quoting the biden economy debate earlier, you can find us on tiktok at ari melber on tiktok, and i did want to say because we're wrapping up the year and doing extra fun stuff, we'll share some of what we showed, which means no pressure. you don't have to follow me on tiktok. i'll show you some of what we do there. take a look. >> we're inside the white house. amazing. and there is a white house gingerbread house. >> you're doing great, but i would be more happy if this was our viewer. >> look who walks in. obama poster cornell belcher. >> look at that, my new grill chef. >> when you're on tiktok, what's the best way to make sure what you're finding is real, not a hoax. >> i just don't use tiktok to establish what is objectively true in the world. i love me some tiktok, but it's more entertainment than sources of objective truths. >> out here at complex -- >> not all offices are the same, because i'm at the complex office for the first time. and as you can see, it's popping. >> says "the beat" with ari melber. it works beautifully. >> only news show with a lighter. >> only news show with a lighter. >> that's some of what we're doing on tiktok. thanks for spending time with us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i have lost my sense of security. all because a group of people starting