israel, it's not good for the people of gaza. so we do not support that. >> the prime minister did offer some encouraging words about a possible hostage deal. we are following all the developments there. and the clock is ticking to a friday deadline for a government shutdown. and then you house speaker's hail mary -- seeming to be deflating by the minute. donald trump once his core tv, demanding cameras for his upcoming trials. plus this -- -- >> you think donald trump is a great president, president? >> i think donald trump is the king of the world. you'll find out. >> you think it was a great president? >> he did and credible job. he did an incredible job and anyone who said he didn't, something's wrong up here. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> our friends at the good liars, live this hour with what they heard from the maga faithful and trump's legal issues about trump's legal issues, that's coming up later in the hour as well. >> we begin this hour once again in the middle east and the israel hamas war where israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has laid out his plan for a postwar gaza, which includes taking control of security in gaza indefinitely. this morning, though, on meet the press, he also spoke about some potential movement regarding hostages being held in gaza by hamas. >> the moment we started the ground operation, things began to change -- >> though, is there a potential deal, mister prime minister, is there a potential deal? >> there could be. but i think the less i say about it the more i increase the chances that it materializes. >> joining me now is nbc's element clogging live from tel aviv with more on this. erin, what are you learning about the potential deal there. >> reporter: well what we know from an official within the biden administration that there is a discussion, a proposal currently on the table that would involve an exchange, and exchange of 80 of the hostages, women and children, specifically in exchange for 80 women and children, palestinian prisoners currently in israeli jails, according to this official. the deal has not been finalized and i think it's also worth noting that we are seeing a flurry of diplomatic activity happening. we just got a readout from the qatari news agency, now this is potentially significant because, remember, qatar has been mediating between israel and united states. and has been a conduit to hamas, if potential deal for weeks now. according to this readout from the qatari news agency, there was a phone call that took place tonight between president biden and the emir of qatar in which the emir of qatar, quote, also stress the constant diplomatic efforts of the state of qatar to reduce the escalation of this ongoing war, including its efforts to release the hostages and open the rafah crossing to foreigners and relief aid, appreciating the role of the united states and america in that context. so these discussions are continuing at the highest of levels late into the night. meanwhile, i was just talking, messages messaging the family of one of the hostages. they told me that they have yet to hear anything. just yesterday, thousands of people turned out here to the streets of tel aviv to demand the immediate release of the hostages. it was an emotional moment for the families. i was speaking to the father of a 21-year-old who was kidnapped on october 7th. he said that he was in contact with his son when the militants stormed that festival. he said that his son turned on his live location, and that he watched on his phone as that live location went straight into gaza. he said he's heard nothing since. but the support of the thousands of israelis that turned out last night, he said, was hugely helpful. take a listen. >> we have a lot of support from the israeli people, families. you can say that they are coming and supporting with us and we have a lot of volunteers that work with us. so, i believe that the whole israeli population, let's say the majority, are with us. >> reporter: so, so many families of all 239 hostages are waiting and watching to see if anything else emerges from this latest development. yasmin? >> erin well mclaughlin, suddenly praying for that. coming up later on this hour, everybody, former counsel general of israel joins me to talk about israel's situation in the gaza strip and facing the prime minister. i want to turn to the big news here at home, house speaker mike johnson trying to whip up support for his so-called laddering, laddered, iould say, continued resolution. and avoid a calamitous government shutdown. the bill extd funding for several agencies until january 19thwhile others including defensehat'll go into february 2nd. and justdespite pressure from far-right house members, it does not include any spending cuts with aid for ukraine or israel. julie tsirkin is joining me now. julie, speaker johnson does not have many votes to lose on this. and he's already lost a few. what is the likelihood of success here? >> reporter: he already lost three out of four, to be exact. republicans who did not waste any time after their plan was unveiled to them, to make their frustrations clear and known. and the reason they are opposing this is because of the lack of spending cuts in this bill. there are none. effectively, this is a two-step bill. it is a laddered cr. the top democrat on the house appropriations committee just a few moments ago saying she was bewildered by this approach. she said by adopting this approach, speaker johnson is setting up a system that will double the number of shut down showdowns. that being said, though, it is clean. it doesn't include budget cuts. it doesn't include partisan policy writers that democrats were nervous about. speaker johnson would throw them in there to get the support of these hard-liners. and senator chris murphy talked to our kristen welker this morning about. look at his reaction. >> i don't like this laddered cr approach. it looks gimmick to me. but i am open to what the house is talking about, the priority has to be keeping the government open and i think this is a moment where reasonable people in the senate, and that's where most of the reasonable people are these days, have to make sure that we are not making the perfect enemy of the good. >> reporter: quickly, yasmin, the reason that republicans want this laddered approach is because they feel that this could motivate senate democrats to pass single subject spending bills rather that massive spending package that we often see at the end of the year. so that's why johnson is pushing this so hard. now, he does need to reach across the aisle to get the votes because by all accounts, he's not going to get there with just republicans. here's how the votes can work in the next couple of days. tomorrow, republicans and democrats on the house rules committee will meet. the catch is, though, in order to get the bill to the floor, it has to make it out of that committee with only republican votes. chip roy, who we saw on the screen earlier, actually opposes the bill and he sits on that committee. if it does make it out of rules, it could hit the house floor as soon as tuesday, where the full house will then take it up, and the senate recently has to face it after. but they're already starting their own process from one clean continuing resolution that expires on january 19th. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. appreciate it. in just 60 seconds, everybody. i'm gonna speak to congressman connolly of virginia about this new funding bill proposal. and whether it has any chance of avoiding a shutdown. and coming up, why donald trump says he needs cameras in the courtroom for his trials. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long. 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how are you gonna vote on it? >> well, i could see a fine print. and we haven't seen that yet. but it is a novel approach that is puzzling. why do we want to condemn ourselves to not one but two laps in funding the federal government in early next year? having said that, as you point out, it is what is called a clean cr, no big push the rioters, and holding funding at current levels. it is a problem for us that also, it lacks military and humanitarian funding for the situation in gaza, israel, and ukraine. so, it's a little bit of a fine print. but if it keeps the government open without too much pain, maybe it is something that we will have to look at. >> i want to talk a little bit, as you bring up israel and gaza, i want to talk a little bit about that. we just heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu on meet the press earlier today along with a press conference he held yesterday alongside his defense minister, in which he said indefinitely that israel will secure gaza. he was more unsure about what the governing structure would look like in gaza but israel would indefinitely provide the security for gaza. to some, that sounds as if it is a reoccupation of gaza by israel. what do you make of that? and would that affect funding for gaza in the future, if in fact it looks like a reoccupation of gaza? >> as you indicated a little bit earlier in your reporting, president biden has warned the israelis not to do that, that it's taking on way too much, and you don't want another occupation, responsibility, for an already stretched israeli government. and ultimately, both the west bank and gaza have to be governed by palestinians themselves. that's the goal here. so, substituting israel for palestinian governance can only be a recipe for grief. clearly, i understand that netanyahu wants to clear gaza of hamas control. and if he can do that without the loss of civilian lives, that would be a goal. but right now, what we are witnessing is a horror. and the killing has got to stop. >> so, what did the president do? what should his administration do if in fact the prime minister lands on, the day after this war is over, a reoccupation of gaza indefinitely? >> i think the president, first of all, by flying to israel directly after the october 7th massacre was an unprecedented show of support for israel that we've never seen before. so, i think president biden has leverage. it is probably-limited leverage given who benjamin netanyahu is and how he operates. but we see news of that influence, all that leverage, to bring this violence and this hostility to an end, to release the hostages, and to try to find some new path towards a peaceful governance of gaza. >> representative gerry connolly, thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> still ahead, taking a deeper look at the potential problems at for america's relationship with israel over the control of gaza. plus, former president trump now demanding cameras in the courtroom for his federal trials. we're gonna look at whether he will get his wish given the special counsel's opposition. and the good liars duo joining me to recap another trump rally full of supporters refusing to accept the truth. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> if he did lie about that, do you think maybe possibly he lied about other stuff? 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>> yet you know, i don't want to go so far as to say -- well you might have if it does happen, but it is very unlikely to happen. because as much as i would love to see this, -- as much as nbcuniversal would like to see this televised, and so much of the american public does, there is just a rule barring the broadcast of federal trials. and in order to really change, that they would have to be some movement, i think legislatively to make that happen. it is just something that hasn't happened, even though this is a very unique trial, in a very unique set of circumstances. so i think what you can expect is green -- over at nbc news.com. and covering >> as we've had. >> and covering all this as it unfolds. but you are really probably not going to see it televised proceeding, as i think the trump campaign wants, and ultimately amid a lot of the american public does, just because there's no precedent, 40 just as an happen. and it would be quite something, if he made an exception in this case, when they are trying to handle this case as normally as possible, as in the court system is really trying to stick with the norm here, and try not to let too much of this media distraction really take away from the case. >> you see a lot of action outside that courthouse along with all of us stake out there on that, and that's frankly we're going to see more, of when this begins. quickly ryan, the fbi is investigating the suspicious letters containing some of them fentanyl, -- in nevada, california, washington state, georgia, oregon as well. tell us more. >> yeah, this is a really scary thing, the justice department and the fbi have really been emphasizing from the beginning, that they are there to stand up for these law enforcement officials who are getting, these threats. so it is an ongoing narrative that we have seen, especially i think as we have gotten closer to the 2024 election, and as we see rumors and misinformation come out about elections, i think we could expect more of this, that is something that federal officials are saying, they are staying on top of it, and make sure that resources are available to these local law enforcement, should they need it. >> ryan riley, thank you. and we should in fact disclose, nbc news is one of the coalition of media organizations to a petition for cameras inside the courtroom, at the trump trials. coming, up the israeli prime minister, putting the president in a very tough position. why netanyahu's call for complete control of gaza indefinitely could lead to a showdown, between the two leaders. we will be right back. be right back. together. burger and fries... soup and salad. thank you! like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. with voya, considering all your financial choices together... can help you make smarter decisions. for a more confident financial future. hey, a tandem bicycle. you can't do that by yourself. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected. 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(carolers) ♪ we tried to tell him but he paid us a lot... ♪ (husband) it was a lot... ♪ mhmmm ♪ (vo) this holiday turn any iphone, in any condition, into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium, apple tv 4k, and six months of apple one. all three on us. it's holiday everyday with verizon. welcome back everybody. the president and his administration are mourning the death of five u.s. service members, who were killed yesterday in a crash during a training drill in the mediterranean sea. joining me now with more on that is nbc news white house correspondent -- . what are we hearing from the president, about this accident today, ali? >> hey as men. we heard in news statements today from president biden, as well as defense secretary lloyd austin, reacting to this accident that happened early yesterday morning. it was involving a u.s. military helicopter, in the mediterranean sea. this accident that officials say was part of a routine training exercise, killing five u.s. service members. and in these two statements, both the president and the pressure defense secretary say they are mourning the loss of these service members. they are thinking of their families. and the president in his statement, saying that this is just another reminder of the bravery and sacrifice that these service members make for our country's security. defense secraraustin saying that more information is be gathered, as to the cause of this deadly crash, yasmin. >> a lot more going on today as well, ali. the white house responding to those comments from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who said that israel quote unquote, will continue to control security in gaza. what can you tell us? >> yeah that's right. many u.s. officials have been asked to react to those comments by prime netanyahu, asking where the u.s. posture stands, and the u.s. position on this. and i can tell you from jake sullivan, the national security adviser jake sullivan, who was over across the sunday shows this morning, he said that netanyahu's original comment was not the understanding by u.s. officials, of where israel stands in regards to governments of gaza gaza, after this war. these officials saying that they are vehemently against israeli occupation of gaza, and instead they are calling for political governance, a solution on the ground that would involve palestinians to be able to, according to officials, give them a voice and an involvement in whatever governance is going to take place and exist in gaza, after this war. listen to more of what jake sullivan had to say about this. >> the basic principles of the way forward are straightforward. and this is something that secretary blinken laid out publicly this past week. no reoccupation of gaza, no forceable displacement of the palestinian people. gaza can never be used as a base for terrorism in the future. and gaza's territory should not be reduced. secretary blinken also said that ultimately, we do want to see the reconnection, the reunification of control between the rest the west bank and gaza, under palestinian leadership. >> you heard sullivan say there that he wants palestinians to take part in whatever political process happens after this war is over. but u.s. officials are admitting that what that would look like is extremely unclear, as the last time that there were elections were, was in the early 2000s. so that is something that white house officials, administration officials, admit is still very much a big question mark, yasmin. >> one more of that for, you ali. we have some new news from qatar's official news agency. which said today that the qatari -- spoke by phone with the president, the scuffing the situation in gaza. and then the state department saying, secretary of state tony blinken also spoke with his -- as well as the country's foreign minister. what are we learning here? >> that's right. we are still awaiting an official white house readout of this. calls but we do know from, as you, mentioned the qatari news agency, in a state department spokesperson, that what was discussed on both of these calls was a huge expression of gratitude on behalf of the u.s. to their qatari counterparts. playing such a huge role, in these hostage negotiations. all of the communication with hamas to get hostages out of gaza. they also, according to the news agency, and the state department spokesperson, talked about those ongoing efforts to get hostages out, ongoing efforts to get americans and foreign nationals out of gaza, through the rafah border crossing. efforts to be able to allow more humanitarian aid into gaza, through that border crossing. and notably, according to the qatari news agency, the qatari counterparts, they stressed the necessity for in immediate cease fire. and as we have, reported as you have talked about on your show, that is something that white house officials and the president have still not been explicitly willing to call for an immediate cease fire, yasmin. >> -- thank you ali, appreciate it. >> israeli prime minister bibi netanyahu, rejecting calls for, as ali just, put a cease-fire, while offering his pot thoughts for a post war gaza, free from hamas control. and even before he made those comments, the israeli blication haaretz wrote this week about what a win would look like in a war torn region. saying, quote, for israel, nothing less than eradicating the terror organization here d now will be seen as a win. while hamas wants to sustain a permanent state of conflict. so just living to fight another, day will be seen as a victory by its leaders. joining me now is the author of the article, former israeli -- general in new york, ambassador -- . ambassador thanks so much for joining us on this, appreciate it. >> i want to play for you some sound, on a play for you some sound, prime minister benjamin netanyahu this morning on meet the press, reentering and doubling down on his comments that he made yesterday, at the press, conference talk about indefinite security control of gaza. >> so overall military responsibility will have to be in. israel as far as the civilian management of gaza, we need to see the following two things. gaza has to be demilitarized, and gaza has to be deradicalized. and i think so far, we haven't seen any palestinian force, including the palestinian authority, that is able to do it. >> so it sounds to me as if the israeli prime minister is saying the only way forward is for israeli control of gaza, indefinitely, like a reoccupation. is that what you were hearing? what is your reaction? >> well you know, it's like, i have to tell you yasmin, it's like a bunch of fortune cookie platitudes that we heard from him. you know overall security, overriding overall security, governance of gaza, i don't know what that means. if it's occupation, then say so. if it's not occupation, then say so. and he is saying all of this, yasmin, against the directly, and right in opposition to what secretary of state blinken had said. and what you just, saw what you just aired in your footage of jake sullivan saying that, there needs to be on -- component in governing gaza, not hamas. and it needs to be reunited with the west bank. and so, under pressure from the u.s. to give a vision or some kind of a hint as to how he sees the post-hamas gaza, if indeed hamas is toppled or obliterated, mr. netanyahu just came up with platitudes that are really unclear, and basically set the agenda, or set the contours for a confrontation within the biden administration. >> i'm wondering if you or predicting this in a piece that you wrote earlier this week, before the prime minister made these comments, when you said in the absence of a clear, a coherent well-defined political objective, israel will be mired in gaza its detriment. refraining from planning for the day after the, war and addressing the issue of who will govern in gaza, confines israel to the dangerous comfort zone of the tactical sphere. >> right, that's, that's exactly what's lacking. and that is something that for the last five weeks, the u.s. has demanded or requested politely, that israel's, and then see eight in some form or another, what is your vision for a post hamas gaza. the u.s. never asked israel for a cease-fire, all the u.s. was asking for was for humanitarian pauses, or so-called localized cease-fires. now, the u.s. has been extraordinarily supportive of israel on this, and mr. biden, president biden has played a critical price, as has the u.s. in the world. and, yet they are still standing behind israel, so you would expect mr. netanyahu to at least entertain the idea that after gaza, there needs to be, after the war in gaza rather, there needs to be some kind of a political solution. otherwise, it is tactical in the sense that it was only military, that it is a recipe for a repeated incident by, the horror of october 7th. and, it kind of reflects on how israel is thinking tactically, rather than strictly to -- . gaza is not going anywhere. 2.2 million palestinians living in destitute and poverty, they are not going anywhere. and for us to say that we will oversee and dominate militarily, but in the civilian administration has to be somewhat, and be radicalized, i don't even know what that means. and i just don't see a coherent plan for the day after. and this is even before, and i know it is not part of our segment, yasmin. but this is even before we started talking about the -- -- into lebanon. >> i want to read one more part of a piece that you wrote, specifically about the partner that the president has in israel, and that is the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. saying this, there are clear signs that biden wants to move forward beyond the r, identifying diplomatic silver nis. for that, he needs an israeli partner to at least be in sync with the u.s.. that is not the case at this point in time. were you referring to the prime minister? and do you feel as if it is necessary for him to step aside, for israel to move forward, and for gaza to move forward? >> i think he should resign, after a -- . and then a day, and then a week, and then a month. but, i'm unrealistic, apparently. if he had the -- integrity and the sense of accountability and responsibility, rather than tell one of the american networks with which he interviewed last night, that no one asked, no one asked fdr to resign after pearl harbor. that is nonsense, it is like saying well, so nixon didn't resign after watergate. you know, he is not the partner that the united states is looking for. he is, forget the united states for a second, he is not the man that should be leading israel at this point. and, this is already reflected in a multitude of polls and surveys. >> ambassador elon pinkett, thank you so much sir, appreciate it. >> thank you yasmin. >> we will be right back. ll be right back [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff. every breath matters. don't like rsv take your breath away. protect yourself from rsv... ...with abrysvo, pfizer's rsv vaccine. abrysvo is a vaccine for the prevention of lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious if you are 60 or older. having asthma, copd, diabetes, or heart disease puts you at even higher risk. abrysvo is not for everyone and may not protect all who receive the vaccine. don't get abrysvo if you've had a severe allergic reaction to its ingredients. people with a weakened immune system may have a decreased response to abrysvo. the most common side effects are tiredness, headache, pain at the injection site, and muscle pain. ask your pharmacist or doctor about pfizer's rsv vaccine, abrysvo. visit these retailers or find other retailers near you at abrysvo.com. 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(gentle music) hello. -it is so fantastamazingg to see other trolls. is this how people feel when they meet me? yes. poppy, i'm your sister. my what? whoo. did you just braid my hair? >> welcome back. well as opponents were on miami debate stage, donald trump was across town on the rally. stage his die hard supporters and of course our friends at the good liars who found the maga faithful were undeterred by the former presidents issues. >> in trump's fraud grace in new york he asked if he would release his 2021 financial statements. he said that he was busy dealing with china and russia. what do you think of that? >> i think he was a busy man when he was president. >> but he was not president in 2021. >> -- in 2016. >> he wasn't president in 2021. the 2021 he said he was too busy doing -- >> they have to pick out something. >> he said that the square footage of his own condo was three times the amount that actually was. that is lying. >> i don't know. >> he said it in the documents. >> we'll see how that comes out. there is always something. >> does that change your opinion a little bit? >> it's all fake news. >> it would not be fake because he did say that. >> how do we know that? >> because his own company put it away so that it was their got document. >> you know what i, mean i don't know you're talking about. if i saw it i would say okay cool. there is a reason for, it's guaranteed. >> if he did lie about that do you think it is maybe possible that he lied about other stuff? >> trump doesn't lie. >> no he doesn't. the good liars themselves joining me now. jason selvig, thanks for joining us. that was -- that really struck, me especially the woman who said they have to see it for myself again at the end of the day they said that trump doesn't lie. you even at one, point jason, try to get at the point where you said, okay if he was lying about this could've lied with other things? does this change our mind on anything? and it really kind of speaks to the pro trump voter. which, is literally no matter what happens when he says goes back to what he said in 2016. when you shoot somebody in manhattan in the street and i wouldn't believe it or they would continue to support. >> yeah. hearing that donald trump never lies, that hit me a little bit. because i think i've maybe heard that a couple of times but here i just say no, he's never lied. i don't believe that. that is really out there that you would say that. and frankly it is a little insulting to think that donald trump wouldn't tell a lie, even though he famously lied about the readings with the celebrity apprentice. he lied about obama's birth certificate and the 2020 election being stolen. those are just a couple of the top of my head. he lies a lot in those which is the given circumstances of being around donald trump over the years. it feels a little bit like you are in the twilight zone when you go to these rallies. and davram and i were talking the other day. this is only a third trump rally of the year. so it was kind of like there is a bit of a punch in the face when you get there. you are entering a different reality kind of thing. >> i think you knew what you were gonna get there when your approach to the two women and they had -- the trump one. >> that's fair. that is fair. >> the biggest lie of them all. davram, you made this valiant attempt to put it something about the shorts as well. a few of the rally goers were wearing those shorts. i want to watch that moment and then we will talk. >> in 2020 we were trying to make that happen again. make them try again. >> but then he lost. >> he lost. right. and now they're doing everything they can impossible to stop them from even running in 2024. >> if you had to say what's been crying about the 2020 election that he wouldn't be? >>. >> it is interesting the dub all the pictures they take this one. of course. because that is the one where you want to bring him down, but they're doing the opposite. >> i am saying, because this is a picture of him surrendering. >> we're never gonna surrender. >> but that is a picture of the moment he turned himself, and he surrendered. >> he did, is on film here. that is what the mugshot is. when he surrendered. >> how many times did you go around with that, davram and was there ever a point where anybody said to you, you know what i still love him anyway so whatever? >> i think we went back around three or four more times and then finally he said okay, yashar. but a lot of these conversations and with that. where you can point out the hypocrisy of something, or in that case just straight-up, this is the only picture you should not have picked of donald trump with never surrender written on. it just ends with well i'm going to vote for him anyway. like jason said, he steps into this world of people who are there to support him. and it doesn't matter what you say it almost feels like we are back in time or something. the world continues to move forward and so many things have happened but it feels almost just like 2016 because they're all after him and they're all gonna vote for him and that is that. >> jason, this happened at the same time as the gop presidential debate, which the former president was not at. it anybody have anything to say about any of the other candidates that are running for president? >> yes. everyone, it was interesting being florida because we've been in florida and i've been out there visiting family and i've talked to some trump supporters there. they used to be such huge fans of ron desantis. you can even see -- desantis 2024 flags all over the place. now everybody at the high oak rally do not like we're on the santas. even kind of saying he's not that good of a governor anymore because donald trump is that some really bad things about him. but also we heard from people that donald trump was a very smart to not go to the participate in these debates. which you could make the argument that is true, he is so far ahead. but also it seems a little cowardly as well to not participate and face your opponents. they seem to say he was doing something very smart. and that ron desantis was terrible. and i did not hear one word brain or anything. not one person said anything about that. i don't know if that means they're not taking her seriously, or what. but that nickname did not catch on with the trump supporters. >> i want to point to pieces of this. out because they're both fantastic and hopefully we have time for both of. them i want to play the sound of talking about election interference, because a scene that was a major topic there. and also the earth being flat. >> let's watch. >> it is donald trump a bottle. it looks just like donald trump, and people go to make america great again dot com and the order. mike lindell for his election reforms. >> mike lindell is doing all of this research. biden has been years. so when are we gonna see the bombshell? >> well, i don't know the answer to that question. i don't know. we just have to keep these elections in reform. >> what's the most important thing about the election to you right now? >> election integrity. >> do you think the 2020 election was stolen? >> yes. yes. >> why do you think donald trump's own attorney general found no evidence of widespread voter fraud? >> i don't know if that's a fact. >> it is a fact. >> why does he keep talking about election interference? >> donald trump? >> yes. -- the election? >> we might talk about it as a way to deal with the fact that he lost the election. >> i disagree with that. e >> is the earth round or flat? >> the earth is flat. >> flat. flat. >> we are lie to about everything, folks. >> do you think the earth is round or flat? >> i know we did not go to the moon. >> why do you say that? >> because you can't get out of the atmosphere. >> really? what do you mean? >> why don't we go past the ice? that's where it is at. they don't want you to look at the water underground. >> under the water, past the ice, don't look, up go underground, the audit. i think there is no better way to end this show then with that incredible information of what we just learned. jason selvig, davram, think you so much. that wraps up for me, i'm yasmin vossoughian. you can catch me right here on msnbc filling in for my friend katie turner.