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trump on the stand. lashing out against the judge and prosecution in new york's civil fraud case. we will remember we will break down what went on in courts today. and -- polls showing that trump is leading in four swing states. but what's at stake in 2024 just when you're out? and 240 people still held hostage by hamas. while the israeli military continues its push into gaza. as the 11th hour is underway on this monday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. the nation's 45th president and republican front runner took the stand today in his visit fraud trial today in court. it's a case that pushed the survival of his real estate business at stake. under oath on the witness stand trump blasted the judge, attacked the prosecutors, and claimed a civil case both politically motivated. my colleague laura jack has all the details. >> -- his real estate and high on the line. mr. trump showing flashes of anger as he sparred with the judge in the new york attorney generals office. brushing off accusations that he doctored financial statements to inflate the value of some of his most well-known properties, like mar-a-lago, trump tower, and 40 wall street. all to defraud banks and lenders. >> but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters are the facts and the numbers and numbers, my friends, don't. i >> already found liable for fraud, the former president now trying to fend off a 250 million dollar penalty, growing heated today when pressed about whether he overvalued assets found in the trump organization 's annual financial statements his face turning red, raising his voice, pointing directly at the judge seated inches away yelling, he called me a fraud and he didn't know anything about me a reference to the judges pretrial decision that ruled in the states favor, also going after the attorney general himself watching in the courtroom, mr. trump calling her political hack. >> i will not be bullied, i will not be harassed. the case will go. on >> trump did make some concessions, admitting today that he probably saw some of the disputed financial statements that went to banks and lenders while repeatedly dismissing them as not important because they included certain disclaimers saying today that his net worth is actually far greater than what's reflected in his financial statements touting the value of the trump brand. >> it's much greater than on the financial statement. and -- mar-a-lago is worth 18 billion dollars, but it's worth probably 15 to 100 times more than that. >> the judges patients, tested at times by the same rhetoric on the witness stand. calling parts of mr. trump's testimony irrelevant and rambling. warning the republican front runner, this is not a political rally. >> trump's eldest daughter ivanka trump is expected to testify on wednesday. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel, it's a great one, hugo lowell is here, political investigations reporter for the guardian he was in the courtroom today and has all the details on what went down. andrew weizmann, former fbi general counsel, and former senior member of the mother probe. he is now a law professor at nyu. and melissa murray, also a professor at nyu law school, she was a clerk for sonia sotomayor on the federal bench before her nomination to the supreme court. hugo, i turn to first. take us inside the courtroom. give us the scoop exactly what went down. >> it was the most tense and fraud courtroom appearance that i think trump has been in today. across all his grievance, he said nothing. today, he was on the stand and and i think that testimony was not helpful to him legally. and it was not helpful in terms of the atmosphere with the judge. i mean the judge is often the guy who's gonna make the decision, at this with the penalties here. and the constant flare-ups with him and his attorneys flirts with the judge to, i think, were particularly damaging. >> how about his james? she was in the courtroom >> just james was in the courtroom. she was looking at trump's team and trump's counsel all the way through which is kind of surreal. and they notice to because i they got a text from the trump team say why is james there. >> they texted you saying why is she looking at us? my goodness, should they be thinking about other things? andrew, what was your biggest take away? because as he goes walking us through this, trump did himself no favors with the judge. does he really care? because the only jury he really cares about is his base, the general public. because what he's running for is president. >> yeah, it depends what audience you're asking that about two in terms of the judge who was going to decide this, this new jury in this case, he did not help himself especially towards the end of the day where he gave up sort of this reliance materiality, defense because he said i understood these financial statements, which the attorney general says were fraudulent, i understood that they were relied on and intended to be relied on by deutsche bank. >> okay, i worked at deutsche bank during this period of time. trump has absolutely no choice but to say it was him. it was donald trump himself that said to the bankers, this is what my brand is where. if on what planet can you say that i may have seen the documents? he said that -- here is what i'm worth. >> listen i agree with you. my only counter to that is that this is donald trump. is he capable of saying something which is black as white? yes there's so many things where he just denied things which they could provide documents. but here clearly not playing for this audience when you turn to the judge and basically say, you called me a fraud? your fraud. this is the trier, a fact. you don't usually try to antagonize the person who is going to decide the case so he is playing, as you said, to a political audience, not to this judge. >> and the judge taking the bait. we all know, a, donald trump presents narcissistic tendencies he wants to have a fight, he wants to make it about him. and we know he's good to move because you punch me, i'm gonna punch you twice as hard. >> at the end of the day, the judge is going to look at the facts and the law, and, again, if you look at just what happened in court, not a good day for donald trump. he ended up really giving the judge a lot of ammunition for finding him on credible, finding reliance, materiality a lot of the things that the state really had been sub missing out events for the remaining causes of action. remember the first calls of action is already found. but this is already piling on and i think the judge is going to say you are liable on these other causes of action. and what remains is what the remedy is. so he could end up being barred completely from having businesses in new york state. >> melissa, maybe the answer is, put up a stink and fight with the judge because you don't have good answers for any of the questions, right? the prosecution might have some holes in their case, but in all likelihood donald trump doesn't have any good answers. >> donald trump is between a rock and a hard place with the civil fraud trial because so much of his political career, his political acumen has been built on the fact that he is some kind of savant businessmen but if you are actually a savant businessman, then you are generally complaining with basic principles of corporate governance doing due diligence of the files you're submitting, that the files were discussing. and in order to prevail in this case, or at least to minimize the penalties to which he's exposed, he has to basically say that he wasn't doing that kind of due diligence, he was essentially a paper pusher. and that sort of allows for the whole question of, is this actually a business enterprise of significant consequence? it allows it to crumble. so i think andrew is exactly right. this is about an audience that is not in this courtroom, it's an audience in middle america, the people who are likely to vote for him. and he is planned for a completely different stakes and it's likely to be present -- it doesn't matter that the judge determines he's no longer able and capable of running his business and new york state for five years. if he's running a country, that won't matter. >> my gosh, i want you to hear a little bit of what trump's lawyer, chris ties, said earlier today. >> in 33 years, i've never had a witness testify better. and absolutely brilliant performance by president trump. he is not by getting down. >> illicit given what you just said, what trump is actually running for was kise perfectly on brand and on message? >> i mean, this was some various defense, for sure. and i think that's exactly right -- [laughter] if you're plan for an audience that is going to elect this guy the chief executive of the country, maybe it doesn't matter if he's going to be the chief executive of the trump organization. >> you're in the room, hugo was it the most brilliant thing you've ever seen? >> i don't know if i'd go anywhere close to that. the thing i took away from the day as a whole was -- the first half of the morning, there was a lot of performative stuff trump was saying things because it almost seemed like a strategic effort as we've discussed trying to get the judge to take the bait and try to get him to make a mistake that they could use on appeal. but by the time we got to the second half, i think he -- >> when you're tired and hungry and you need a snickers. >> the reaction was really visceral. when he was getting asked if the valuations of mar-a-lago were fortunate, and he agreed with a new record generals office that it really struck a nerve and that's when he started to assailing the prosecutors, and a sealing the judge, and saying you who have no idea, you don't know, you don't know me. so i think it was a -- >> what did you think? >> at to hugo's point, at the end of the, day in addition to this reliance point that we've been talking about, he was just asked to really softball question about are these financial statements things that you are seeing and willing to say are true and accurate? and he essentially said, i'm gonna get back to you on that. i mean this is one where -- this is like a softball where you answer the question is absolutely. and he kept on fighting it. i mean talking about ammunition for the judge to use against him. i really think he started pretty well, certainly for his base he started well, but in the end he was giving up a lot of things. to cases point, i kept on thinking today about what it would be like to try to prepare him to testify. and i think that it probably lasted about 12 seconds. >> which, to anyone who's ever watched donald trump for ten seconds, but no that's the case. melissa, the judge kept saying over and over to trump's lawyers, keep your client in check. you have got to stop him from saying this. and they're kind of making the argument, you know, listen, he's got expressive self. let the men speak, it's all about free speech. that's not the case. when you are the lawyer, it is your job to manage that client. >> i mean, this is a client who's proven to be unmanageable in almost every situation in which he has been in open court. and even in situations that are not in court but where he is been required to scif swearing testimony. this is a performer, he's a a performer. he performs an all the areas -- whether it's to his benefit or not. i think we saw that today. as hugo said earlier, the idea that you would antagonize someone who is in the position to determine the penalties in a situation where you already have been found to have done fraudulent activity, why would you continue to do that? it's almost like he can't help himself and we saw that today. it's a lack of control, and the inability of his lawyers to control him as a client. there was some tucking back after the break where he seemed to be more concise and his answers and calmer, but that seemed to go astray as time wore on this is not someone who's capable of being in control over the long haul. which of course, haugen as well for his presidential aspirations. >> hugo, this trial is not televised there are no cameras in the room. every time there's a recess, there's a break, there's lunch, trump and his team go to the court steps where he's not underwrote and they lied to reporters. does this show how important it is to have cameras in the courtroom so the american people can actually see what's happening? >> from a recruiters perspective i would say, yes, what we see in the courtroom is so much more visceral then sometimes -- and that has been the case with any of these court hearings. weather is the one in d.c., where john lauro spars with the judge. and they have all these talking points and the judge says, i get it, you have to make your talking points. and whether it's in this case where trump really got red in the face at times and he's got this gesture kayleigh doing hand movements, and he's saying shocked, or he makes these one liners it's difficult to communicate that effectively, i think if the american public saw that from themselves, it would paint a portrait of trump that they've never seen before and it's when he's been on his most unhinged. >> the suns are done testifying, did they show up to support? i'm milani is not there >> they weren't there to support him today. but his lawyers were. there and you've seen that in other cases as well. i was there for michael cohen's testimony and i was there with someone who -- it's interesting that todd blanche who leads the federal criminal cases have been in the courtroom for these cases. and it's also interesting that is political team showed up today. there was some truth social post that were sent out today, and i would assume that its people from his campaign. >> you, topics national counsel jack smith has waited on trump's bid to dismiss the federal election interference case. and i want to share a little bit of what they wrote. quote, the defendant stands alone in american history for his alleged crimes. no other president has engaged in conspiracy and obstruction to overturn valid election results and illegitimately retain power. this is an stunning accusation about a former president, right? if anybody says, oh gosh, who cares about the hush money case. or, even this fraud case in new york, who cares about big the apartment was, who really lost money in the value of real estate -- this right here is a whole other ball of wax. >> i mean, i would add, he's also been found to commit sexual assault. so he's also been accused of retaining classified information, including nuclear secrets. there's just -- obviously, the d.c. case is the most important in terms of our democracy. i think the key thing for the audience would be what the -- what jack smith is aiming for is telling judge chutkan that two motions that could delay the march 4th trial decide those quickly. because we need to give trump enough time to be able to go to the court of appeals if necessary go to the supreme court, and want to have those done very quickly so that we have a trial on the scheduled date. those are the presidential immunity motion, and double jeopardy mission. the double jeopardy motion is laughable. that's -- he's basically saying, because i was tried in an impeachment proceeding for insurrection, he can't be charged now criminally for things that are not insurrection. that doesn't work 18 different ways. the presidential immunity issue is one that has not been decided by the supreme court. so jack smith's eye thing being really smart saying there are a lot of other motions but decide these for us because we do not want to delay the case. >> because jack smith, knows trump's best case of beating these cases, truthfully, is to delay and beat joe biden. everybody is sticking around when we come, back disturbing new reporting from the washington post about donald trump and his allies who were plotting revenge against opponents if he were to get a second term and later, even as donald trump is facing the civil fraud trial and four indictments total, the new polling out that shows him leading biden in key swing states robert gibbs and mckinnon are here with a reality check the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. monday night bring it to safelite. my customer was enjoying her new car, when her windshield cracked. 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think we all say anecdotally, man, if trump becomes president, he's gonna go after people. but then you read in print with names, it takes it to a new level. >> well this is what i think. if you asked any mccabe, pete strzok, lisa page, chris krebs, i mean you can go on -- >> jim comey -- >> jim comey. gee, what do you think about this report doing if he's going to become president? and they would say, what do you mean he's going to do? that's what he did. >> they got audited while trump was in office. >> and mccabe did. so i think this is sivs playbook. the idea that there would be a -- of the white house and the department of justice, it didn't exist while he was president before. and it's not gonna exist when he becomes president again. and that means that he will go after his enemies, and his fans won't be prosecuting the same way that he was pardoned roger stone, michael flynn, steve bannon. so -- he views the justice department is just a tool. this is authoritarian third world country tactics. >> but melissa, if you were in office, again when he do that times? too because next time, around the number one thing he would be looking for in all of his top officials will be loyalty pledge. >> it's actually really interesting, the reporting also suggests that he is no longer enamored of friends like the federalist society which previously worked hand in glove with trump to stop the courts he's actually more interested in individuals who don't necessarily have fancy credentials, but do have credentials that suggest their loyalty to him. so the litmus test is going to be, are you actually a trump loyalist, not whether or not you are in leonard leo's inner circle or if you're someone high up in the federal society. that's going to be a very different motive. and it's very clear that you're going to see him much quicker in my terms of a transition than we saw in his first administration where he seemed to be caught on the back foot in terms of their readiness to begin governing. it took a long time to get that cabinet put together. he already seems to have some idea of what that cabinet might look like and it seems clear that one of the toughest that he's interested in is attorney general and it seems like he's already identified jeffrey clark, his codefendant, in the georgia case, and an unindicted coconspirator in d.c. in the election interference case, to consider him for that post. >> that's next level. hugo, are you hearing anything from trump's camp? >> yes, i think this has been something i've been to discussed for a year now according to our reporting. and it's four to think about the context in which it's being discussed because, to angie's point, he sees the justice department as part of the executive branch and the idea in the next trump administration to get back, and it's gonna make a cabinet level agency. if he makes it a cabinet level agency and he wants to point b's loyalist to all the key roles whether it's the attorney generals office, the dog or the attorney general in the criminal division, and the kinds of people he's looking at are people who helped him with the crossfire hurricane investigation who he perceives to be allies in the -- that's people like kash patel, he's considering of heading the fbi. these are the sort of individuals they're looking at. >> we shouldn't be surprised, every rally he's been at for the last six months, he looks at the crowd and says i am your retribution. and retribution and revenge. it's gonna be on the new red hats. this is 2023. hugo lowell, andrew weissmann, melissa murray, we have a lot of work to do. coming, up a new poll raising questions about the presidential election. one year ago from the main event, how accurate are the predictions? 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>> well the couple of things. i think these are warning signs for the biden campaign. i think everyone should be clear about that i don't think any of these numbers surprised anybody inside of the biden campaign. but you pointed out, pulls a year out aren't predictions about what is going to happen in a year. they are kind of a tally of how people feel when the poll is taken, so there is a whole campaign that's gonna be played out, it's gonna be played out in the six states that you're showing there, and it's gonna be really incumbent upon the biden campaign to make this a real choice in the election he's gonna have to go out there and sell the economic message that he tried to sell today with a stark contrast about where and how donald trump is going to approach this economy for working class and middle class americans and if they put that choice in front of people, there's certainly a path to witness race. if they put -- don't put the trays in front of people or they wait too long, there's been a lot of peril in that >> mark, what do you think? because president biden is out there all the time talking about investing america and it's kind of good things have happened. >> that's what's problematic. it's not breaking through when you look at the macro picture here, what's really disturbing is that joe biden, when there's arguably been a lot of good news for him on the economy, on managing international conflicts into huge emergency hotspots of crisis in ukraine and israel, you say he's done a pretty good job. during that his polling numbers have gone down not just with republicans but with his own party and at the same time when trump is facing anyone counts for felonies, his numbers have strengthened. and not despite -- in some ways because of -- the encouraging thing out of this polling is not much but the one thing i would say is when people confront the potential actuality and there is going to be a trial in march, clearly judge chutkan is determined to maintain it, and is gonna happen before the election, and if that trial happens, and he's found guilty, the polling numbers will flip over to biden, pretty dramatically. people say, he's going through this legal stuff, but if he's actually committing a crime, things are gonna change and maybe change pretty dramatically. finally, i was in my colleague john heilemann on circus makes a good point which, is in the upstart i think a lot of democrats say, he can beat trump, they just haven't really sat down and face this reality. and when they do, they'll sober up and the numbers will really represent. that >> the example you just gave of the chutkan trial in march, does this polling show how important it is for that trial to be televised? look at what's happening in the fourth case in york. trump is just going outside the courtyard steps and lying every chance he gets. >> 100 percent. but i think what we lose side, of at the end of the, day at the legal stuff, it's gonna be 12 people in the, court they're gonna see the evidence, and they're gonna try the evidence. and we know, you know more about this than i do i'm sure, in trials, even though people may be sympathetic to an individual, they really look at the facts and at the end of the day, if the facts are going to determine his future. ing to determine his future >> let's think about this though, robert, this election really does look like it could be a choice between free and fair elections in 2028, where donald trump trying to stay in power indefinitely. how can democrats communicate this, the fragility of our democracy, to the american people? it's just not something people think about when they're getting gas or going to the grocery store >> i think two things, and mark touched on one of them and that's, again, you have to put the stress more clearly in front of people it's easier to tell a pollster a year out that you feel agnostic about this choice or you don't feel great or enthusiastic about something. i think as people get this choice put in front of them a month, three weeks, two weeks before an election that's different. but also think it's important when you just talked about it. it's important to talk about the economy first, right? he's got to have an economic message that breaks through. the disconcerting numbers that show trump's more trusted on the economy than biden should be alarming. look, to be very blunt about this, i think the president needs to stop talking about the fact that america is back. i think he needs to talk about the fact -- we have a plan to make bring america back. we're trying to improve your lives. but the truth is, people -- you can't talk your way into having people feel better about the economy i think this idea of looking at this through economic statistics and saying that the economy is recovered is a danger for people whose lives don't feel different. even though inflation is down over nine months, it still cost a lot more money to borrow money for a car. it cost a lot of more money to pay a mortgage. and i think you've got a live where people lived and only -- >> it's just -- >> only then you'll have the permission structure to really talk about democracy in a way that's important. >> it's just hard to explain to people, listen, guys on the economists predicted we would be in a recession right now. we're not, so you should be happy about that. i think -- he would be right in making that argument but it's difficult to convince people of that. >> stephanie, we were faced with the very same challenge when president biden was vice president in 2009 and 2010, as acquainted 2011. when mitt romney -- before he became a nominee, his message against from romney very conveniently fit economic frame. what they've gotta do is just not talk about what they've done, which is tremendously important. they gotta bring those accomplishments in, but they've also got to really put this contrast in front of people. what is trump going to do economically? whose taxes is he really going to cut? what didn't he do a bad prescription job cost? all those things have to get laid out in front of voters so that they begin to make a choice and a comparison in a way that, quite frankly, upholding year out is just harder to do. >> let's talk about republican voters and how a whole bunch of them responded to former new jersey governor chris christie over the weekend, speaking in florida. >> yeah -- well now, it feels like home. thank you very much. what a shock here for trump. i'm gonna fall over dead. every one of those boos, every one of those catcalls, every one of those yells will not keep -- it yes, sure. we're not solve one problem we face in this country. your anger against the truth is reprehensible. >> mark, you actually have some sadness in your eyes looking at that. >> i, do just because the bottom line of all of this is that he -- yet it's all about trump, but at the end of the, day it's like christy, said it's about the truth, and the republican party has become anti-truth. chris christie, asa hutchison, same thing when you went up, there when he was just telling the truth, they're getting booed for telling the truth. so i think the republican parties just clawed its way to the bottom. when you can't tell the truth, look what you're left with. >> if you don't have the truth you don't have nothing. gentlemen, thank you both so much. when we come back, israel's military splits the gaza strip into as it faces mounting pressure from around the globe. the latest on the war when the 11th hour continues. th hour continues. when migraine strikes you're faced with a choice. ride it out with the tradeoffs of treating? 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>> this is my family. i can't think about what's happening in gaza because it breaks my heart. all i can think about is i want my family back. i want to know they are alive. >> the leal is one of 240 israelis the idf says are held hostage in gaza. i spoke to two more of her loved ones earlier this evening. watch this. >> this is a humanitarian issue. it's not a political issue. it's not about the conflict. these are innocent people taken from their homes. the world needs them to come back home. we need to create a safer world for our children. >> this is a human issue. this has nothing to do with any political conflict. this is not a political problem. this is a human rights problem. >> for more i want to bring in jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon. jeremy, what is the most important thing our audience needs to know right now? >> look, tonight, the secretary of state is complaining around diplomacy in the region and it looks like he's had important conversations and one of the u was goal is fundamentally to prevent a wider war. this is fundamental to american national security. i think secretary blinken has so far sent a strong message of deterrence. obviously is backed up by american military power. it's also based on strong diplomacy by the united states to urge countries to channel their messages to iran to say don't jump into this fight. don't open another front with israel. i think second, it looks like the united states and israel are close according as their -- as a previous piece just noted on finding the hostages, and releasing the hostages. that's why the director burns is in the region to share information and -- third, to get humanitarian aid into support the innocent people of gaza who are being used as human shields by hamas and to provide them food,, medicine and water where can safely be done. i think united states is engaging in important diplomacy and it's important to note, stephanie, what the united states is not arguing for is a cease-fire. they're not arguing to these rallies to stop their military campaigns to go after hamas, and israel, as we, speak continues to be fired from hamas rockets. >> as you said, the u.s. is aligned with israel. but people are asking, what exactly is israel's role will be in gaza going forward? i want to show what prime netanyahu said about that earlier. >> i think israel will, for an indefinite period, have the overall security responsibility because we've seen what happens when we don't have it. >> president biden has warned that an israeli occupation would be a mistake. what do you think? >> undoubtedly, israelis don't want to own the gaza strip. remember the history here, stephanie. between 1950, 1960, 7000 was occupied and controlled by egypt. ten years later in the 1977 camp david accords, israel tried to return the gaza strip to egypt. the pillow and the palestinians prevented -- the head of egypt at the time from doing. so and -- has had no interest, no connections to, lando claims to, no religious ideological, national, or political connection to gaza. i think netanyahu's point is right is that there has to be security arrangements in place to ensure that in october 7th doesn't happen again. but i think also this is going to largely fall on the shoulders of arab leaders, of palestinian leaders, governments from around the world that want to be part of a security solution in the long term for gaza. >> the white house is pushing for this humanitarian pause. you just, said no one said cease fire but they're saying we need a humanitarian pause in the fighting. how delicate is this balance for the administration? because, as we are devastated by the hostages, thinking about all the civilians who are dying every day in gaza, it's horrible. >> it is, stephanie. and i think it's important to clearly state what's a humanitarian pause, what's the difference between that in the cease-fire. the humanitarian or tactical pause, which by the, way netanyahu said in his interview tonight that they have done and they will continue to evaluate, it's a deconfliction mechanism, it's a way for the united states and the idf to, say, okay the international community under the auspices of ambassador davidson field is moving humanitarian aid to specific locations, specific sites inside the gaza strip, bringing that aid to the people of gaza. how can we ensure that the united states -- excuse, me that israel does not strike any of those international convoys or any of those international relief workers? so that's deconfliction. the military does that all the time. i suspect the u.s. and israel are doing that. that's what i think is meant by a tactical humanitarian pause. what it does not envision is somehow the idea of laying down their guns or tanks, stopping moving forward, toward is mounting infantry to look for hostages or any of the counterterrorism operations that the idf is engaged in. if the idf or to stop that, of, course hamas could regroup, re-, arm and obviously pose a significant danger to israel. and of course as the killed 30 americans, so it's an america's interest to stop hamas from being able to remain that way. >> jeremy bash, thank you for being here tonight. i appreciate it. when we come back, five boroughs to the finish. e new york city marathon had thousands cheering for their favorite runners. we will share some of that when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues. 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