muktar the name he had used. >> bill: don't get ahead of yourself there. who interrogated would you have bait da first. you or the fbi? who went in first to ask him fbi or cia. >> it was a joint effort. we went in together: soufan says he got information to from would you have bade da that led to information about khalid sheikh mohammed without the rough stuff it? >> did not lead to khalid sheikh mohammed. >> bill: once you started the rough stuff sue would you have bade da would you zubaydah. did he just shut down. >> we not waterboard him until