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Muktar the name he had used. bill: don t get ahead of yourself there. who interrogated would you have bait da first. you or the fbi? who went in first to ask him fbi or cia. it was a joint effort. we went in together: soufan says he got information to from would you have bade da that led to information about khalid sheikh mohammed without the rough stuff it? did not lead to khalid sheikh mohammed. bill: once you started the rough stuff sue would you have bade da would you zubaydah. did he just shut down. we not waterboard him until
BillWhoNameDont-getMuktarBait-da-firstIt-soufanEffortFbiCiaInformationStuffAugust of that year. did the fbi get high information about without the rh stuff the fbi and you. the only thing the fbi will give him credit for him to get the nickname of muktar and that was it. bill: so you contend that alisoufan is not telling the truth here. he doesn t know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn t know what we got. we got thousands of intelligence reports that basically allowed us to take down and destroy the al qaeda organization attacked us on 9/11. he doesn t know. bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and the cia on the terror front? no, there is not. actually the relationships are very good and having improved with time. bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this soufan and just causing trouble. is he a difficult guy. he had difficulty before he even got to the black side. he had difficulty during the millennium plot in jordan. he was thrown out there.
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