for people who are mike pence's friends from congress and to steer the president away from some of his own instincts about which candidates to back for speaker of the house, governor of states. we didn't see this with dick cheney. >> he's really sort of marshalling the troops on the congressional fields. people he has direct knowledge of. he is playing some favorites as alex points out. he is doing some things that a president might typically do, leading the party, really paying attention to the midterm elections, in the background is he a leader in waiting wh it's 2024, some place else. >> and is the president happy about this or upset that mike pence is going rogue if that's how to describe it? >> by and large the president and the vice president have a good personal relationship. it's more at the staff level right now although there was this episode a couple weeks ago where the vice president tried to bring on as an adviser to his office republican pollster john