Transcripts For CSPAN2 Hearing On Modernizing Library Of Congress 20240713

Particularly helpful that you could be here with us for this today as well, also a member of this committee. Shes here as a member of the committee but also on these topics particularly valuable and the rules appropriating we have been having with the library, smithsonian, architect of the capitol, these kinds of oversight hearings to fulfill that responsibility and be sure were giving the agencies the help they need. Were glad to be here of course with the librarian dr. Carla hayden with mr. Bud barton, the librarys chief Information Officer and karen temple, the register of copy rights thank all of you for being here today. I think we want to talk primarily, at least i want to talk primarily about modernization. We had a chance with dr. Hayden at the last meeting to talk about the Physical Plant ideas of how to make the library even more of an experience for people who visit there. I think we want to talk about today more of how the modernization of the it elements at the library are coming together and how all services are being benefitted by that. The library of course performs a lot of functions for us historically. One of those functions has been the copy right office. I think initially that was to be sure that the library would be a clear recipient of that great treasure of the copy righted documents that would become part of the librarys collection. But the copy right office has always been part of the library. Today were taking a different a deeper look again into the copy right office, and were glad the register is here with us, but also it and modernization generally. I think were going to focus mostly on the copy right office and it, but we want any discussions that you want to have about challenges youre having or successes youre having as you move in the direction of more up to date it, more up to date protection, you know, Cyber Threats are real, and i think they are particularly real in some of the information that you are dealing with. Dr. Hayden and i got to know each other well in 2016, when we were able to Work Together and be sure that she became the first librarian in a long time to be the librarian of congress, and weve been pleased to be able to Work Together since then. Prior to the arrival really of all three of you in these current jobs, the gao was very critical of the library, copy Rights Office Information Technology. The Government Accounting Office identified a lack of storage of Strategic Planning, information and technology investment, Investment Management and weaknesses in Information Security and privacy. They recommended that the library hire a permanent chief Information Officer which it did. And that chief Information Officer would professionalize and centralize the Information Technology needs at the library which hopefully were going to find out today you are doing. As the librarian, dr. Hayden you are ultimately responsible for the management and success of the library as a whole, which includes the copy right office but of course we look to the register of the copy right office to be responsible for what happens there every day and have the kind of working relationship with the two of you that are essential to make that happen. Mr. Martin, glad you are here. Look forward to hearing about how youre taking this job and making it work, and ms. Temple, we talked some last year in this committee. We had a proposal even to make your selections slightly different and maybe outside the normal Selection Process that it had traditionally been at the library of congress. That did not pass. And so the congresss view was that this situation would continue to stay as it was. I think the staff, the rules committee has spent a lot of time with all three of you over recent months trying to be sure that this is working the way it needs to work. Its hard to talk about trade policy or lots of other policy without talking about the importance of protecting information and copy rights and other patents and other things, so this is a very real topic. We had our last review in march as i mentioned before of the library and what the library is doing in other areas. Glad the three of you are here today to talk about this. Im particularly pleased with that the senator could carve out the time to be here as part of this as well. I would turn to you, senator, for any Opening Statements you might have. Thank you very much, chairman blunt, and youre a good friend, and we have worked on a lot of issues together. Thank you very much for holding this hearing. The library of congress is an important institution, and im pleased to see the committee taking an active role to make sure its healthy and strong. And i wanted to thank all the witnesses that are here today, dr. Hayden, ms. Temple, and mr. Barton and i also have worked with dr. Hayden a lot over the course of her tenure over there and i have really enjoyed developing a deeper relationship. First i want to say the library is an american treasure of immeasurable value. Its 170 million items include the Worlds Largest collection of legal materials, films and sound recordings. Its landmark building see 2 million visitors every year, and there were 114 million visits to its websites last year. And the copy right office is critical to music, film and publishing industry, worth over 1 trillion dollars every year. Copy rights are especially important in my home state of new mexico, where artists and the Creative Economy are significant and growing part of our states business activity. In addition to its public value, the library is fundamentally essential to our work here in the legislative branch. You know, some people may think members of congress are ill informed, but imagine what this place would be like without the assets like the Congressional Research service. And online resources, like congress. Gov help keep us informed and up to date with nonpartisan factual information. Like so many americans, we rely day in and day out on the information provided by the library of congress to make important decisions. So while this hearing may not be carried live on cable news, its this committees job to make sure the library is well run, up to date, and prepared for the future. Future generations will thank us. Dr. Hayden, i know you and your team have been working diligently to modernize and grow the it infrastructure of the library of congress and the copy right office, Digital Technology is crucial to the librarys evolving operations. Im encouraged with the pace with which the Government Accountability Office Recommendations have been implemented. Ive worked on federal it reform on a bipartisan basis for many years, and i know its not easy. Big it projects are tough enough in corporate enterprises, but federal agencies face a much different budget process and unique organizationally issues. Federal chief Information Officers have learned a lot of lessons and developed best practices in recent years. I urge the library and copy right office to seek out those best practices and Work Together for success. I look forward to hearing about the progress to improve the librarys infrastructure and operations, progress in improving accessibility of the librarys unique collections and historical artifacts like Thomas Jeffersons draft of the declaration of independence and the contents of Abraham Lincolns pockets the night he was assassinated, tangible pieces of some of the most significant moments in our nations shared history can be both preserved and made accessible. Along those lines i want to highlight one of the librarys ongoing initiatives, the veterans history project chartered by congress in 2000 h there on going effort collects and makes accessible personal accounts of american war veterans so future generations can hear directly from veterans and better understand the realities of war. With veterans day approaching, i will be interested to hear an update on the progress of that project during our questionandanswer time. Helping native american tribes protect their historical and Cultural Resources is also a high priority for me. Dr. Hayden, we have spoken about this before, and i know its a priority for you. I hope we can keep working together on tribal engagement under the music modernization act as well as the librarys language and other resources for tribes. And i look forward to our panels discussion today, and i would yield back to the chairman. Thank you, senator udall. So dr. Hayden, your full testimony will be in the record. You can deal with it however you want. Im also going to ask that my remarks and senator udall and any comments any member of the panel would like to make would go into the record without objection. Dr. Hayden, were glad you are here. Were going to let you testify on behalf of everybody and then everybody will get their share of questions. Im sure of that. Dr. Hayden . Thank you mr. Chairman, senator udall, senators, i welcome the opportunity to be here today to give you an update on the librarys modernization and especially the Information Technology and work with the copy right office, and i want to thank the committee for its ongoing support of the library in general and with the librarys it modernization. Three years ago, in this very room, during my confirmation hearing, we discussed the many challenges and opportunities presented by the librarys technology, and i am excited to be able to tell you today that we have significantly improved the librarys Information Technology. modernizing the office is a top agency priority. And were making progress in upgrading the systems to register and maintain uptodate records for creating work so that the systems are automated, integrated and easier for the public to use. And thanks to the generous support of congress, the library is now one year into a fiveyear effort to design and implement a new enterprisewide copyright system. And to keep progress moving forward, the Copyright Office is now hired a Senior Technical Advisor to insulate and help manage plan it modernization and also enhance collaboration between the Copyright Office and the Agencies Technology staff. And in fiscal year 2019, the Copyright Office and office of the chief Information Officer jointly engaged in User Experience outreach to stakeholders and launched the efforts for key components of the new system. This fiscal year the library will release a limited pilot of the first fully digital copyright recordation system and complete a voter prototype of a searchable Records Management system and begin the initial development for the next generation of online registration. I want you to know that i believe in my team being the center. Register temple, office of bud martin and i believe that together, we will deliver and modernize copyright system. We are also completely overall overhauling the technology that hours every part of the library. The chief Information Officer mister barth is working with the Congressional Research service, the ers to implement a new research and information system. And it will make use of the latest technology. The National Library for the blind and print disabled is completely rethinking out delivers content to people with reading difficulties. The law library has completely digitized the us tactics at large and in collaboration with the Government Printing office we have digitized the congressional set dating back to 1817. Though by embracing either focus, design and agile development, we rolled out new projects to millions of online users and we made enhancements to many of our services and lastly, our Digital Strategy agencywide is leveraging technology to find innovative ways to reach more people. So with these efforts we are moving ahead with the challenging but achievable task of transforming the library into a more digitally enabled agency. And theres still a lot of work to be done but weve made great progress and so i thank you again for inviting me to update the committee with my colleagues and we welcome your questions area were glad youre here, weve clearly, were going to have plenty of time for us to ask questions area we will try to stay at about five minutes segments just go back and forth. Senator highsmith is coming back in a moment and obviously we will be here for questions as well. Miss martin, would you share your progress. You started right when 2016 was 15 mark class september 2015. 2015 and that was in response to the idea that somebody needed to come in and be the chief Information Officer, just in a couple of minutes sort of give a sense of how far you come from the day you walked in and particularly how far you come is the librarian took her job in 2016. Thank you for the questions are. Its a great opportunity for me to be able to reinforce the talent that we have at the library regarding ip and the professionalism displayed by the staff. As the gao audit found, there was a lack of oversight and so they wanted, they suggested that the library higher chief Information Officer. Whenever i first came in it was apparent to me that there wasnt a lack of talent or lack of capability, it was really a lack of vision and a lack of oversight on the it organization. The library ive been ready much working in a silo fashion and as im sure we will discuss a little bit more throughout the hearing, centralization was something that would help this. In other words, making decisions about it at the agency level regarding Strategic Direction and then making sure those decisions at the Strategic Direction didnt interfere with the individual service or Business Units needs to have specialized it to perform their business issues. Whenever i first arrived i tested by my goal was to make sure that findings of the gao audit were addressed in a way that didnt just check a box area i was here to just make sure that we close the audit finding. I was here to make sure the root cause of those findings was addressed and in such a way that we were not back into the same situation in a matter of years and thanks to the support of congress from a budgetary perspective, we have been able to address 95 percent of those findings and i expect that we will close all those items by the end of this calendar year. We have submitted evidence that is necessary to the gao and are expecting back and forth conversations with them throughout the rest of this year on getting those close area the progress we have made is significant and it covers every domain of it from the discussions ive had with the gao, the team that was here. It was the first time it actually made that broad of a recommendation, number of recommendations were significant over 100 recommendations. And in every domain of it from security to finance to operations, every domain that there exists the biggest progress we have made is insecurity area and im very proud to say at this point all of the major systems within the library now obtain what we call an authority to operate which means the security of those systems have been validated, tested and compared to missed standards who is the body that we look to for establishing the clerk security standards. On the topic let me go to missed temple before i run out of time. My first questions, which is on the security topic, intellectual property barely one of the things that we are for good reason most concerned about. One of the big targets of Cyber Espionage and other things, do you feel good about where were headed in terms of the security of the information entrusted to the federal government through you in your job . Thanks for the question. Security is one of the most important aspects of our development of an it system and im very pleased that the library has taken such a huge role in ensuring that the items that we receive in the library are protected. Digital security as we move to Digital Technology we receivea host of different types of work. Some feature films to important books, to works that have not even been released to the public yet so security of our system is a critical aspect of the development so thats one of the thingswe are focusing on as we develop with the library. You worked in office for some time, havent you mark. Yes. And whats the difference in the either security concerns for yoursense of security now compared to five years ago or whatever number you want to give me . I would say the main difference is the focus weve been placing on security , acknowledging and recognizing how critical it is to the management of our it system and really making sure that at every level ready is considered as we begin developing the new system area and so i think the focus in prioritization of security is one of the main differences from when we were using a class i would point out before we go, senator , while you said you worked there for some time about this job really for the department is the designated person or a relatively short time so if were back into 2014 or 2015, the late else was the register of copyrights at that time. Senator udall. Thank you mister chairman. As part of the ongoing it management and modernization plan, i know where the library on a new Digital Strategy by transitioning to a new tier 3 level data center. This investment is key to helping the library what technology to expedite and expand Digital Access to the vast collection of books and medium. I you testified before this committee used in the library was in the process of migrating applications to the new data facility. Your testimony today provides an update that you are moving forward to fully transition operations by the end of the fiscal year 2022 support the Library Digital needs. Could you expand upon your testimony and assessed the progress of this move including progress on migrating data to Cloud Services . As we mentioned before, we are looking at and making sure that we have a variety of Storage Capacity and that includes cloud and also physical Storage Capacity as well cause of the nature of the materials that we are storing. Some need to be on time and Mister Barton has been, he knows that ive been very concerned and in making sure that we are able to make that Library System secure and also very effective without losing any data so this brings to my mister bart, if you be precise. Thatwould be great, Mister Barton. The move out of the Madison Building of all of our what we term the production, the actual usable content is supposed to be complete end of this fiscal year. A lot of that content is especially the ones that is sensitive need to have security controlled around it will be maintained in this new data center that we have fitted out and that will be complete by the end of the fiscal year. We will also be migrating our nonsensitive public releasable, the things the general public reviews into the cloud in a lot of respects so that there is a faster and less physically from an equipment perspective , thing that we have to worry about funding. This temple, can you update the committee on the progress of shifting copyright off of data to this facility as well as the Cloud Services including the benefits you expect to see from the current challenges you face . I will defer a little bit in terms of the exact schedule but i know that we are on track in terms of beginning to migrate our data over to thedata center, some of our data. Of our other data will be housed in a Cloud Service as we are developing the new system as well so we are working closely with the oci l in terms of the schedule and timeline forthat process. Doctor hayden, i understand that expanding access to the librarys unique collections available to all users is a central part of the librarys Strategic Plan. The veterans history project of the American Folk Life Center is one collection of particular interest to meand with veterans day just four days away im sure its of interest to my colleagues. My Office Discovered that mexico had a low number of stories in the archives, especially considering the High Percentage of activeduty veterans in our state. To change this i set a goal for my staff to collect at least 50 stories about mexico veterans including at least one from every one of our 33 counties. Since july 1 2019 im proud to say that my office has collected over 80 interviews. I conducted a number of interviews myself and myself i can tell you it was an eyeopening experience. Im especially focused on enlisting the help of other Community Partners around my state to continue collecting interviews and other materials from hispanic veterans in for pueblos, apache tribes in the navajo nation. And you update the committee on the progress of this projectand how it fits into the updated mission and vision of the library . Im very pleased you asked that question because i just returned from rhode island with senator reid and before that with senator in z in wyoming, collecting interviews and adding to the over 100,000 oral testimonies of veterans and the inclusion of the goldstar families have been very important and we are making sure that we work with congressional offices and we want to thank you for conducting the interviews. Youre so correct about the fact that it is, it can get emotional and there are a lot of veterans who feel they dont have a story to tell, but we try to make sure they know people who have lost their loved ones can also contribute to the veterans history project and talk about that of 100,000 already, and were working to make sure that we reach out to the native community and so we have added many oral histories and have a special focus and in working with the National Museum of the american indian. On that project as well. Its very successful area is something that we hope people will realize is so important in terms of stories to be told. So at our new orientation center, we will have a special section for veterans history projects and people that visit those 2 million visitors will all know they can record their stories. Hopefully very soon on their digital devices. They can do some of it now. You just to let all members know that you do a really good job i think training us to do this. So thank you very much and we hope you will visit new mexico today, recorded interviews that we get ready to do that. Thank you so much. Let me mention we will have time for at least a second round of questions for your first questions editor hyde smith. And thank you for being here today and i look forward to learning more about the modernization of the library of congress and the Copyright Office as i know it is certainly vital for the growth and the vision of expanding access to our nations wonderful collection. Your credibility i think is outstanding. And its just one of my Favorite Places here in washington dc and i thank you for all your efforts to my question doctor hayden, the effort to centralize it across the library has included transferring both people and resources from your individual Service Units including the Copyright Office to the office of the chief Information Officer to execute technology activities. And this could be for, who wants to answer it. Can you explain how you see i o tracks and utilizes the funds appropriated for copyright modernization on behalf of the Copyright Office . Id like to start and thank you for the question about the benefits of centralizing it efforts and projects in the library in general. That was one of the major challenges and major focuses of the it modernization efforts. Do not have silos as Mister Barton referred to that. With centralization we can track fiscal expenditures and resources. We can track equipment. We can professionalize personnel as well and so that and also additional security. When you have a number of units dealing with security. Thats difficult, so it centralization has allowed us to track all of our expenditures and to better view of enterprisewide, what it is so im very pleased to be able to report is helpful in so many ways. For the question. We have two prongs that i would like to address on that and one is overall from an it funding management perspective, we are in the middle of implementing something they call the Technology Business model. This is something that the executive branch has been working on for severalyears , industry has been working on for several years and while we may not be as far along as some of the agencies that started this i have us, we have made Great Strides and we expect that by the end of this fiscal year we will have our tool in place that gets us down to a level of reality on where we are spending it funding that we can make much more informed decisions about whatis working and what isnt working. With regards to the Copyright Office, we have a regularly scheduled every other week meeting with the chief Financial Officer of the library. Chief Financial Officer of the Copyright Office and my it funding manager and we go over in detail what is the funding thats being used on the copyright Modernization Network area where is it being used and extent, contracts, personnel and all of the resources that are involvedin it modernization for the Copyright Office. Thank you very much. Senator cortez masso. Thank you, welcome. Great to see all of you, doctor hayden, miss temple. Im a big fan of the library ofcongress and what you all do and your staff. Please know that and im sitting here talking to my wonderful colleague from new mexico about the veterans history project, county in as my fans are listening we will be participating withyou in the great state of nevada. We have incredible veterans who i have met and have heard their story. Believe it or not theres 140,000 population of filipinos. Many of those veterans and i would love to after their stories if theyre not captured in somany more in the state so we will be following up with you. Let me follow up on the enterprise copyright system and it seems to be the topic this morning. I know as part of the goals for this updated system is still him to improve Public Record searches and simplify the process for registering copyright and you mentioned doctor hayden in your testimony that you expect portions of the program will be piloted in the spring of 2020, right mark and so how do you get the only question i have is how do you measure the success of the pilot program. I have my colleagues here but we have a copyright modernization office. We also have regular fracking of progress and we are about to have a Critical Path opportunity that we can overlay everything that is happening withcopyright modernization. And ill go to the sample. And also include whether the publicwill be able to provide feedback . The piggyback on your last statement, we think its critical to have the public provide input and feedback as we develop our system so for the recordation system which will be piloted in spring of 2020, where going from a completely paperbased system digital system for the first time so that if something is exciting for us. We have established a group of companies and individuals who will participate in the eye. But as we continue to rate on the pilot and add functionality, we will be in additional individuals to participate. And during that process we will be getting feedback from them. As to how the system works. It is as easy as we would be . Are there changes that we need to make . That is one of the benefits of the agile methodology in terms of the System Development that we will be able to quickly take that feedback and add on to the existing system and change it as the users provide feedback. You, i appreciate that. Mister barton, you mentioned before that one of the librarys Biggest Challenges is storage and i know when i was over there visiting your staff we talked about that. Can you talk about the work library is doing to address the storage problem . We are taking several prongs of approach to the storage issue. We are as doctor hayden mentioned in her opening remarks , stabilization was the first phase. Second phase was what we called optimization and then modernization. It works necessarily sequential. Were doing a lot of those activities inparallel. Optimization part of storage is making sure that where we need storage we are using the right type of storage so for example if we are presenting information to the public, we want that information to the paired on their computer screens instantly so thats going to have a different type of storage and preservation storage where we want to make sure something is here for posterity and in all the years its still available. Thats not necessarily something that needs to be retrieved rapidly in a matter of milliseconds so that would be a less expensive form of storage, thats one of the avenues is making sure were using the right type of storage thats needed. The other part is looking at our options from the priorities of ownership. Cloudbased storage, we would consider something less expensive for us to maintain because were not in the position of having to replace the hardware. So making sure were taking advantage of all the options from a storage base perspective is a highpriority for us to make sure its being done correctly and efficiently. Thank you all for the testimony today. Appreciate you being here and all the good work that you do. Mister barton, earlier when you mentioned moving from the Madison Building to the new storage facility, how much would that be physically somewherestored and how much of it is being digitized , moved to the cloud, however youre doing that differently and was the case a few years ago . Thats a great question sir. We are attempting to get all of our analog written materials digitized in a way that they are accessible by the citizens of the United States and worldwide. Thats right now, i would have to get back with you on the exact number of what is digitized and what isnt. Its a constantly growing requirements. When i firstarrived , we were dealing with, we counted our content as 160 million items and as we testified today it was 170 million so 10 million items in less than four years on ananalog basis. Thats something thats going to be a challenge for us and we are implementing a process where we look at what is the best way to make this happen and i know the Copyright Office as a really good story on storage that idont feel qualified to tell. Miss temple, lets hear that story. I think what Mister Barton is alluding to is to our efforts to digitize our Public Records. One of the things that we were really excited to be able to release to the public last year or earlier this year, its still 2019 was in lots of 2019 we did our final release of our virtual card catalog. On that we were able to get access for the first time to over 41 million images that were previously physical images where you have to come in to the Copyright Office to get access to those documents. Those were completely digitized and put into a digital database for people to be able to access from wherever they wanted to and so that is something we are pleased about. We are continuing to digitize the remainder of our Copyright Office records and that is one of the strengths we have for modernization. We are going to hopefully be able to pilot a Public Record system, a limited pilot of a Public Record system where we will add in the virtual card catalog records that are already digitized as well as the records we are digitizing now and then work on we might be able to make all of those records in some way available to the public. And on thatdigitization project, do you do that with outside contractors . Yes, we have contracted. Weve been working with familys been assisting us on that and with outside contractors to digitize the additional records beyond the card catalog. We have 26,000 record books that we are hoping to digitize and make the information from those record books the data like copyright registration number, author, title available in a database so people who want to come to our office digitally or online will be to very easily search copyright status of individual copyrighted works. I dont the department of agriculture i used to be the Top Republican on that appropriating committee. They have a number of cios and their various entities around the country but a big project has to be cleared by the central usda cio. Do you on an outside contract on inside information, with an clearance process at the library as well tomark. And also family, that is managed by the library and that we manage that for contracting in and services for other federal agencies in libraries area so anything that is, thats part of the centralization of the standards and the operation of any it as the review. And the simple, is one of the Agency Leaders in the library , that process work early enough in your view and certainly gives you a safeguard, you wouldnt have otherwise is it . Obviously all people within the government would love to be able to work more quickly than they do. But yes, we have an efficient process where what we do is work with both oci l if its an it relatedproject. To develop the contract and send that to the centralized Contract Office within the library. So for the digitization side which is actually more of a business side project, but also will result in the Contracting Office within the library and we will work with them whether its through fed link or through an outside vendor to develop that contract and get solicitation of route and work with the Contracting Officer which will be in the libraries Contract Office. To make sure that that contract is operating smoothly. Initially the reason the Copyright Office is in the library was as much as anything else to ensure the collection and so one question i would have with all of this material out there, are you still, do you still have that kind of relationship you need for this addition for deposit requirements so that youre getting for your deposit what you think is what the library willing needs to have and that eventually, and apparently it will quickly digitized form as well as the other forms . The requirement allow the library of congress to have one of the most conference it elections in the world and is now the largest collection in the world and it is such a benefit to be able to have an opportunity to select from the positives requirements and so were very pleased and i just want also take an opportunity to command the virtual part analog project. Even though its records and then just to think of 40, 41 million cars in catalogs force. That was a major undertaking to visualize a card catalog set with 41 million cars. How often is the old part, use now mark. People still to come to the office to use it, but we are actually looking to now that people are aware of the fact that they can access those parttime logs, were actually going to advantage eventually of the space. And save some space and not only decommission the physical card catalog and actually directs more people go online as its becoming more enhanced. The people have quite a bit of affection for card catalogs. We even have published a book about our catalogs. Different ending. Senator udall. Thank you very much mister chairman. When you last testified in march doctor hayden, you and i discussed final concerns the proposed rule for music modernization act that deals with the pre1972 recordings. Since then the Copyright Office has issued its final rule, the rule did not include a Public Domain exemption for pre1972 final cultural recordings. Because according to the Copyright Office, it would exceed the offices regulatory authority. This question is for i think both you and the simple. Are you working with tribes to continue addressing this issue and if so, what are you doing and what can congress do to assist your office with those efforts. We have several initiatives with making sure that we preserve and make available the Cultural Heritage of native cultures and we have the federal cylinder projects and thats where we are preserving actual very fragile Historical Records back to the late 19th century then the ancestral voices digital collection in our full life center is making sure that we provide access to the recorded sounds digitally. So we are very active making sure that we are capturing and using technology to its great extent for that. Break, and missed temple, will you give me your commitment of the Copyright Office will work with me and my Indian Affairs subcommittee staff on this issue as vicechairman of Senate Committee on Indian Affairs, respecting tribal sovereignty is a priority for me, so i look forward to working with you to resolve this issue. You give me your commitments mark. During the process of modernization act of the implementations we did seek out side comment about the issues including issues with respect to title musical recordings. We have some specific provisions are regulations to address title musical work and are committed to working with you and the various tribes on ways that we can continuethat partnership in the future. One of the issues that theyre raising which i think is a critical issue, i think you know about thisbut i think its important for everybody to know it. In the first half of the 20th century anthropologists and sociologists took a substantial number of tribal ceremony and religious event recordings without the consent of the tribes. And many museums and universities now hold these collections tribal knowledge. Mma would require these institutions to make these recordings public. Resulting in potential release of culturally Sensitive Information so that the issue were trying to focusing on and we want to work closely with you on that. Thank you mister chairman. Iq senator udall. Mister barton, i think the library mentioned 95 percent of the 2015 kyoto recommendations have been fulfilled. Where are the Business Units at the five percent are largely congregated in . Five percent of the remaining comes out to the six recommendations. To that of them are nonpublic so they were of allaround security and i would be a library wide concern, not just a specific service unit area we have the it link, theres a recommendation on financing. That is an oci oh responsibility, so that ties directly to the oci oh. Must be sure, if the three of us anybody watchingunderstand what that means. I would that be followed up as it relates to the oci so . Are they not giving you, are you not getting the information you need for the funding you need or what do you mean thats up to somebody else . Regarding the funding that we need to close out these particular findings. We are in constant communication with the gao and providing evidence on closing out the remainingsix findings. I do not have any concerns about being able to meet that by the end of this fiscal year so im confident let me let you finish the answer. Beyond that you have some specific units where there were challenges that others are finishing up. Yes, we actually dont have any remaining challenges to close out. In fact, its part of the gao there were two findings that specifically related to the Copyright Office. Both of those have been closed at and limited and were happy to be able to report that all of the remaining are strictly within the purview of the ocio and we are confident those will be closed by the end of this calendar year. Missed temple, do you have on that topic is there anything that youre trying to get done in this calendar year thats a concern for you . Know, as Mister Barton alluded to we were very pleased we were able to close out those last remaining to gao recommendations and work closely with ocios to do that so we are prepared to move forward on modernization efforts. And the timeline that the two chief Financial Officers and the cio and you folks that work with them are working on is one that you think is reasonable . Yes, obviously we do understand that our users and stakeholders would like to have a new system yesterday. So we do take that very seriously that we are working aggressively as was alluded to, fy 19 was the first year we got specific funding for the enterprise copyright system. We have that one year concluded and now in fy 20 we have three separate work streams working on registration development, and accreditation System Development at the same time so we think that this is now going to be something that the public will really be able to see the progress more completely now that we are in the second year of our funding base. Okay. Senator capito. Thank you mister chairman. Its always great to see doctor hayden and thank you for your good work. I think youre doing an excellent job at the library of congress in modernizing its operations. This is the brief time ive been in here but i want to talk about when i was chair of the appropriations subcommittee of the legislative branch for two years, i went back and looked at some of the legislative language we had in our operation subcommittee report. I report in fy 2016 reported gao findings that a lack of official leadership and oversight at the library resulted in duplicative overlapping and inefficient it policies and investments and again in 2017 our report noted that the igs findings that the library failed to have an organizationwide independent strategy for digital collection activities and that the goal of addressing digital collection strategy was not excluded in the library wide Strategic Plan for its Information Technology Strategic Plan. Indeed at that time the library was seeking funding for a digital collection management even though there was no comprehensive study. Bringing these up to problems in the past but to highlight how much further this is been made. Doctor hayden, you have already implemented 95 percent and Mister Barton talked about the remaining five percent of the task. So as we talked about that, doctor hayden, could you flesh out a little bit how this is, the public is benefiting now and in the future for the, how does this impacting americans in general. In general, what americans and people worldwide will be able to do is have more access to the librarys collections, digitally. They will be able to download photographs that are copyright free. And they will be able to have digital exhibits on their mobile devices. They will be able to record their veterans history projects and send them to the library. They will be able to also use congress. Gov and get uptodate government information that is available to all citizens. The variety of opportunities that Information Technology provides in terms of opening up what we call the Treasure Chest of the library of congress. Just amazing when you think about seeing rosa parks with the exhibit thats going to open in december. Her handwritten notes and seeing Thomas Jeffersons draft of the declaration of independence and we have invited the public to help us transcribe letters to Abraham Lincoln as part of the People Project so they can be part of helping history come alive. I was going to ask you about the project. Its been wonderful. We launched it with the anniversary of the gettysburg address and we had High Schoolers come in. We found that the aspect of reading Cursive Writing gave us opportunities or intergenerational programs where you have more mature people reading cursive and the young people doing the computers. We were able to of 20,000 7000 letters to Abraham Lincoln that had not been reviewed in decades foreseen. Were they were written to madame president . They were written to Abraham Lincoln and the hook for young peoplewas the fact that they were making something by transcribing. They were taking something that had been read in 1864 available for everyone to see. And so of those 7000, all were transcribed. So without the Digital Access of the project like that, it couldnt have happened. So the fact that we were able to encompass has reported that it modernization at the library has so many benefits in terms of making the library more useful, inspirational or so many people and then with the copyrights modernization, you will have people again search historic records. They can file or register online, people are buying cars on their online and now that we they will be able to register quickly, search records. Do Different Things with the entire copyright system. It will be integrated with technology and we really appreciate the support promise has given us. Thank you mister care. Senator udall. I have first of all thank you all very much. One final statement. Senator i know was the writing on this committee, is interested in all of these issues area i know shes been working with you. I believe is working on a piece of legislation called a case act which is, would help to reduce the costs and barriers to making a small copyright claim less expensive and you all are aware of that but she and her staff are working with you and im sure shes going to be putting inquestions for the record. Thank you very much. You senator. Lets talk about the case act a little bit. I had someone in missouri over the weekend and had a photographer at an event that i was speaking at i hope youre looking at the case act because i cant afford to defend my work anywhere else. So obviously, we want to create opportunity. What can, what are the challenges to that kind of opportunity in addition to, including a kind of additional staff you might have to have the other challenges you would see. I think senator kennedy is one of the members of the senate along with senator clovis are interestedin the case at. When you tell me how you think that would impact what you do and if its a responsibility that you could handle and if you couldnt handle it, whatwould it take in addition to what you have now able to handle it. This is a longstanding issue that the Copyright Office as analyzed and reviewed. We actually did a full study of a proposed small tribunal in 2013 and issued a report to congress recommending congress about legislation that would create a small tribunal within the Copyright Office so we feel confident case were to pass and be signed into legislation is something that we would be able to readily implement. We have our previous experience for example with music modernization was a historic piece of legislation that really did require the Copyright Office to work closely with cio to develop a number of Online Filing mechanisms as well as several databases and a series of regulations, all within a statutory deadline of six months and we were able to quickly with the help of ocio as well as our solar team in the office of general counsel and the Copyright Office i had of time. We were able to post a new website within overnight at the time that the anime was connected. So given our history and experience with that legislation we are confident we would be to me whatever Resource Requirements would be neededto implement the case act if it was passed. Could you see that likely to be largely a cio assistant kind of operation where someone contacts you without putting to the office . They explain what the problem is without having to have an attorney for a visit or anything else and how would that work and how many more people you think you need to have managed. Implementation of the regulations, we your messages that you have any staff able to do the regulations side of the mma without additional legal staff area x is one of the main points of that provision is to streamline the process so take advantage of Digital Technology for example, videoconferencing people would not need to come into the office if its necessary for motions and hearings so we would work with oci hope on that to develop any necessary digital resources would be needed to be able to have access for the case act. The provision of the bill does require that we have three potential judges for the case act for the small claims tribunal as well as up to two additional attorneys and so we would just work with congress to make sure that we have the resources to hire that staff but we feel that that should be a relatively easy resource because there are many attorneys im sure you would be willing to participate in that tribunal process, that was something that wasenacted into legislation. And physically you have space for those people . Currently have. Where the card catalogused to the. We have already identified potential areas for that we already have a copyright royalty board years issues we related to our statute area and ministration of the statutory licenses under the copyright act theres a hearing room. We did work with the ceo to for the case. And to determine how much it would cost if we actually got an additional hearing or did not and we could do either one so i guess it would depend on whether congress would like us to add additional hearing well beyond the one that we have, the copyright royalty board. I think in your other comments earlier you mentioned you had designated or brought in an it advisor to work directly with the cio. Why did you and what do you think the benefit of that will be mark. One of the main reasons we that was to strengthen argumentation and collaboration with oci oh. Lawyers, business i sometimes a slightly different language and then the technologists so we want to make sure as we are really working on a number of additional work strange for fy 20 had strengthened communication and collaboration to really effectively case with one another. Make sure that the Business Needs that we have from the Copyright Office are easily translated to ocio as they do all these the various Development Activities so that will be really helpful as we have all the number of workshops that were working on. We were very pleased that frank was willing to give us one of the persons this is an individual came from ocio , i think that will go to strengthen argumentation and collaboration moving forward. I think internally to, taking full advantage of all the resources that the whole Library Structure has is a good thing. I believe there was an effort made from say 2014 or 15 to17 for copyright modernization. Largely independent of the internal structure. But just work. About 11 million. And nothing was produced as a result of that area i think that was the example of what happens when you dont have the system you have now and of course that system was just being put into place. So i would also point out the structure near as grownup overtime. Intellectual property needs have grownup overtime. The desire for accessibility as youre doing now, more immediate accessibility everything in the staff election including the copyright face. Has changed. The overall structure while, its not change area and in fact as i mentioned earlier, we last year made an effort to at least thinking that the Copyright Committee had greater interest in maybe a different kind of procedure to choose the register, but it turned out that that was not an effort wassuccessful between the house and senate. I dont think would be again. So that makes it important that we make the current structure work. And you got between all three of you, vast resources that probably are always a little short of what youd like to do but are substantial and how you make those resources work, i also point out that this committee is the Oversight Committee for the library, or, not me committee will write copyright law and thats often the case that you have a different kind of reporting responsibility for oversight and how you manage a lot of that responsibility, we just had two of the previous care of the. [appropriating committee for our own vicinity and from the point of view ofmoney available and how that money is sent , incredible ability to not only ask the right questions but help you help us understand the answers so the responsiveness to the committee is important. Idont think we had problems with that. Doctor hayden since he became a librarian responding to questions on our staff and our staff then spending a lot of time on particularly this modernization effort systemwide over the last couple of years and we intend to continue todo that. But grateful to have your time. Doctor hayden, do youhave anything you want to say that we might have covered today and didnt that we need about . I just want to reiterate the attitude that we have towards the support and we want to encourage your continued input and feedback. We want to keep these discussions going helpful for us as we move along. Anybody else . You all for taking the time with us today, sharing your views. The record will be open for one week today for others on the committee to ask questions. We asked to respond tothose quickly and the committee is adjourned. [inaudible] watch the cspan Networks Live next week as the House Intelligence Committee holds the first public impeachment hearings. 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