jail. that is, unless this man can save them that's attorney david shown who will speak to live in just a moment. look, it's been what, two years now since bannon was convicted of contempt of congress for defining a subpoena from the january 6 committee. remember that his excuse back then, his lawyer at the time, robert costello, remember him from the hush money trial. one witness is calling the defense. while the time he said i didn't have to comply because he thought trump would assert executive privilege he didn't and bad, it was apparently on notice of that fact as well we have been appealing his conviction ever since that time and up until now, the judge in this case had been kind of holding off on the sentence. but today the judge said enough, there was no legal reason left to delay that sentence. we told bannon he has to report to prison then on july 1st, to serve a four month sentence outside the courthouse, steve bannon was see bannon but i want to say something specifically about the justice department merrick garland, lisa monaco, the atari justice department. >> they're not going to shut up trump they're not going to shop navarro you're not going to shut up bannon and they're certainly not going to shop maga. there's not a prison, there's not a prison built. there is not a prison built or jail built that every shut me up. all victory to maga well donald trump called this an american tragedy and he was apparently so angry that even called to indict the january 6 committee. remember those remembers a congress when, as part of a long now and growing list of trump allies who have been sentenced to prison, people who stretched back to the trump organization days. and the 2016 election and the 2020 campaign. and that includes peter navarro, who is currently in miami prison right now for the same reason, contempt of congress joining me now, steve bannon's attorney, david, shown he also presented former president donald trump in his second impeachment trial. david, thank you so much for being here this evening. we're all trying to unpack all that happened in the courthouse today and i want to ask you about what has been described as a pretty heated moment between you and judge carl nichols after there he ordered bannon to report to prison next month. you objected. obviously, you are as council and the new york times is reporting that judge nicholls responded in a way that let him, you know, he wasn't too thrilled with the response saying one thing i need you to learn as a lawyer is that when a judge has decided you do not get up and yell at them. look, i know you're an advocate for your client explain your reaction. >> were you surprised by his decision to order him to go to jail shocked by it. >> it goes against everything that he has said in this case. judge nicholas found substantial questions for the appeal, said twice at ben and should not be serving his time while the appeals process runs. the appeal process has not run. there's nothing about the panel decision that change that. judge nicholls said that the definition of willfully used in this case cannot be reconciled with the modern or traditional definition of willfully laura, i'm a big fan of yours, but i have to correct something you said in a monologue former president trump absolutely did invoke executive privilege. nobody disputes that. not only that, he wrote a letter before the trial started. can reaffirming it in case anyone has a question about it. and that's all in the record. that's different from the navarro case. and judge nicholls even said today, well, the court of appeals opinion could have mentioned that, but they didn't and so on. but of appeals opinion is an abomination. they misstate the facts they omit the facts. they leave out the primary argument, the primary argument here is that in the 60 years since is like a vole case, which says willfully solely in the context of this statute, means did you get a subpoena and comply or not comply with no reason matters. 60 here's since then, the court has the definition of willfully has evolved. so in 2019, the court said literally, when congress wants to say an act is criminal, and they say willfully, you must know that the actor did was illegal or wrong, or we don't attribute criminal liability to it. that was what nicholls had found earlier. let me unpack hello. this and certainly i'm not above clarification if you think it's necessary to do so, but let me talk for the audience's perspective on the case. you just described. i'm just going to in plain speak this comes down to notion of advice of counsel and whether that was a willful action by steve bannon to not comply with the subpoena if it was advice of counsel, i think he wanted to argue that list send it wasn't a deliberate act. it was advice of counsel. he was following and that's why didn't provide the information or respond. they'd court though did fine, although they did wait some time that they were their hands were tied on the idea of it had to be a deliberate, intentional act and that was enough to go forward in this case. and so here you are. >> getting ready to appeal this matter. likely. i'm assuming all way up the supreme court, if necessary, peter navarro though, did try to appeal to the supreme court what would make this instance different to you? >> navarro was cases completely different? there was no executive privilege ever invoked in the case. that's what the court found. and there's no advice of counsel. listen the cases even before the cavoli and in the liquor vole case in 1961 case that nicholas says he was following the defendant was permitted to testify as to his reasons at the government's behest. this department of justice he has bannon was barred from testifying. costello was barred from testifying about what happened and what their reasons were. and the jury was told they may not consider the reasons remember, castello got the subpoena, not bannon costello as the experienced lawyer told bannon, executive privilege has been invoked, you may not comply, period. it would be against the law. it's not your privilege. but he told the committee, if you take them before a court and the court says privilege doesn't apply or it's not this broad, he will comply fully. they decided not to do that. they went on the air posturing and so on. they're going to pursue this criminally. and that's what they chose to do. we impose criminal liability yeah. >> i agree. excuse me. what is the argument you would make to the court of appeal to the supreme court that you think would allow your client not to serve those four months in jail time, what would be a successful legal appellate argument? >> two arguments. the defense definition of willfully used by the liquor volley court, that this court said their hands were tied by, is no longer a valid definition of willfully in the criminal law period, the supreme court has said it since 2015 and 2019. they said it expressly there's absolutely no question about it. they say willfully mean the different things in different contexts. the threshold for criminal liability is that you knew are believed you were doing something wrong. steve bannon believed the only thing he could do to comply with the law was what he did in this case. that's what his lawyer told them. and that's what he was entitled to rely on. the jury should have been told that that's number one. number two, if you want to apply willfully this way you've created a separation of powers problem. congress isn't the final arbiter when a president or former president invokes executive privilege, period, it's presumptively valid and congress can't decide that go to a court. a court could decide it. and that's what ben and ask them to do. they refuse to do it. there's a constitutional mandate to accommodate tried to work in accommodation dc circuit said that they refuse to do it for steve bannon and that's why people lose faith in the system. we have to treat people equally well. >> steve bannon has argued something different than what you were describing today. he's talking about weaponization and more and more loaded terms. he's talked me about this being an issue that is more broadly with the narrative we're hearing about an attack on trump and attempt to try to suppress maga as well. i mean, shutting down the maga movement. he is accused this judge of doing this is, by the way, trump appointed judge, this is somebody who was a clerk, i believe of i'm not mistaken. supreme court justice clarence thomas, he's been a partner at a number of law firms as well well regarded. does that undermine the arguments that you are now making? >> i don't think so. he undermines his own argument. he's the one who says five or six times during the trial that he things look a vole was wrongly decided, but his hands are tied. he acknowledged today that this panel, the court of appeals panel, hands were tied. the government acknowledged it. the government argued to them, you don't have the authority to overturn like a vole. nothing changed. he should shouldn't have changed his bail status. listen, it's not such a major event in the sense that all he could have done was let him out on bail until rehearing a rehearing on bonk is decided in this case, what he did though is cut the top, pull the rug out from under him because he has to file now, he's going to send a person to prison, who he himself has said didn't comply. who he himself has said was convicted under a definition of willfully that simply is not consistent with the law. we don't do that. there's no reason to send him to prison now, let this case play out. this is a misdemeanor. >> i hear you, david. and of course, the judge disagrees and believes there's no more legal recourse in this action and that willfulness and that lack of only case we're talking about seemed to stan has precedent. we'll see if an appellate court agrees with you, david show and thank you so much thank you very much. as continuous conversation now with former white house deputy press secretary under the trump administration, sarah matthews, also a cnn political commentators, former deputy chief of staff for hud under the trump administration. sure. michael singleton senior spokesperson for hillary clinton, 2016 presidential campaign. karen finney, glad to have all of you here. first of all, you've testified before the house january 6 committee obviously, you complied with the obligation under a subpoena. it wasn't like you raised your hand and said, pick me pick me that back. in two years in the making and only now is the judge ordering him to go to jail and the argument is making your response are about the weaponization again, what is your reaction to all of this? >> yeah, it's really rich, i think two here, steve bannon complain that this is a weapon sensation of government and that mag is being targeted. look, he could have just complied with the subpoena and by complying, it doesn't even mean that he had to answer the questions of the january 6 committee. i do wish that he the hard because i think he could have shed light on the plot to try to overturn the 2020 election but obviously he could have just showed up and fled the fifth. and i think general michael flynn did that. so there were other people who are loyal maga, like figures who complied with the subpoena, who don't find themselves in this same position that now steve bannon finds himself in and he has no one to really blame but himself for now, having to report to jail. >> it almost strikes me as a badge of honor. we keep hearing this. the idea of the honor of going to jail. i think trump is said that in the past he's compares himself to nelson mandela full stop, that's ridiculous period then you've got the idea of what this would mean to prove that you in fact, where it's sticking it to the man and then you had this moment that trump is out there talking to a number of outlets, including dr. phil today, and he was ranting some familiar grievances dr. phil tried to encourage men take a higher road listen what he said every situation needs a hero. >> what, what a great opportunity to step up and say, you know what it stops here, it stops with me. >> i think you'll be impressed. we have to unite the counter. we have to save the country that's not really saving the country there are people that did some bad things. i know who they are. >> i think you have so much to do. you don't have time to get even. you only have time to get right? >> well revenge, just take time. i will say that it does. and sometimes revenge can be justified i mean, the phrase is dish serve coal, but apparently he says he has he has time. my understanding of the presidency is that you would not have time to do engage in endeavors that would not be justified under the criminal system. but what do you make of his doubling down and believing that this revenge tour is justified? >> i think dr. phil was trying to give the former president and out on that discussion because i actually agree with dr. phil. i mean, if if you wanna get revenge on a group of people, are your political adversaries and let the revenge be your success in governing let the revenge, revenge be your ability to say, i've brought down unemployment further or the economy is booming and everybody of every ethnicity seems to be making more money. and their savings accounts are flush with cash. that to me is an articular able political revenge if you're talking about i'm talking about trump what do you, mean i'm just answering the question. i'm laura terms of if i were to say, hey, i'm going to seek revenge, my revenge would be look at my success and my accomplishments under my tenure. >> you look at the idea of somebody who's trying to be the head of executive branch and could wield power. that's what he's trying to do in this revenge tour of sorts. talking about the future, there is a current head of the executive branch, president biden, and his son is in trial. and the federal court in wilmington, delaware. he said, look, if he's convicted, he's not going to pardon him. he's not going to use the power that he could what did listen to what he actually said about this point, by the way? >> let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes what do you make it that answer? full stop. easy answer actually, for the president, i mean, i'd states of america joe biden, because he is a decent, honorable human being who understands that his son did something wrong and needs to be held accountable if he's if he's convicted and as we've seen throughout all of the trials and tribulations, frankly, with hunter, this president has not once tried to put his finger on the scale, tried to massage the evidence, tried to do anything. he hasn't threatened anybody. he has stayed out of it quite frankly. and just said, i'm his father and i love him, which i think a lot of people can actually relate to. and so we hope that for those voters in the middle who are still trying to decide when we talk about character and what matters. that's what matters. that's a man of honour. donald trump and steve bannon are cowards. they are doing everything they can to avoid accountability and you only do that when you're a coward and you don't want to be held accountable and trump saying like, well, i'm not afraid of it, go to jail. that's such a load of bs and we know that he's terrified of it, but this is the kind of big sort of bulli talk that he likes to just bluster. >> sarah would know better than i. >> but again, i hope people see through it and see that's a coward that is not a man of care, blubbering you in this era because there are a number of people who share the sentiment that karen has just said. some of them are republicans and some anti-trump republicans. biden, we understand it is just now more fulsomely reaching out to those particular people who could be his allies. i guess the idea the enemy of my enemy is my political friend. we are sandy bridge sat to cassidy hutchinson as well. has anyone reached out? to you and you expect them to and would you be receptive no one has reached out to me. >> i am open to a conversation. i have said publicly that if my choices in november or joe biden and donald trump, that i will have no choice but to vote for joe biden. i don't really necessarily view it as a vote for joe biden, but more so a vote against shrimp. i just can't and good faith vote for someone who has shown us that he will not uphold the constitution and who to this day will not admit that he lost the 2020 election. and was the first president to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. and so i would encourage other americans to follow suit. i know right now, i think there are a lot of people like myself, whether that be moderate republicans are independents who are hugely disappointed with their options? then 2024 and i empathized with that. but at the end of the day, i can put policy aside and know that joe biden is a person of good character and who will be a good leader for us. whereas donald trump has shown us what kind of leader he was at the end of his first admonition well, look, if if that is a shared sentiment, he's got about 150 days to try to envelop more people into the fold. that's little point. the general election, the primary season is really done for the presidency now where they going to do about it. thank you so much. all of you i had some really shocking new details in the gilgo beach killings, suspect rex heuermann is now indicted on two additional murder charge prosecutors say that they found some kind of actual a planning document that outlined future killings the da who is leading this case joins we next the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher, biden democracy is 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gilgo four. and today, this mountain of evidence against this defendant, it continues to grow prosecutor detailing document recovered from a laptop in march that they say was some kind of a blueprint for his alleged serial killings. prosecutors allege that document was created back in 2000 and updated over the years before heuermann tried to delete it. there were sections about how to prep a body for disposal, saying, quote, remove, trace evidence remove id marks, and remove marks from torture additional horrific details and document under a quote, things to remember section like hit harder and more sleep and noise control equals more play time heuermann maintaining his innocence and pleading not guilty to these new charges i want to bring in raymond tierney, the suffolk county, new york district attorney. i mean, it's it's so disturbing to hear these allegations. i mean, this this planning document alone, it is just shilling to think about in your years as a da, have you ever seen anything like a document that is now part of the allegations? >> know, i've never seen a written documents such as this where did you find it? we found it in a laptop that we recovered from his basement in his house. it had been erased and we used forensic tools to recover it. >> what is taken, this amount of time to get to this point, obviously, ladies were very cold cases. there's are getting hotter and hotter additional indictments now can you just walk me through this new physical evidence that you say allegedly connect heuermann, please. additional murders is it is it dna base? >> so it's a number of things i think key evidence is dna. we recovered a hair from jessica taylor. that hair matches the dna profile of the defendant. and then with regard to sandra costilla in 1993, to two hairs were recovered from her a female and a male. the male hair matches the dna profile of the defendant and the female hair matches the dna profile of a woman who was cohabitating with the defendants shortly before the murder does that mean we shouldn't dissipate a potential co-defendant? no, i think it's something known as transfer dna when if you live with some somebody, their dna can get all get on your clothes and then you could transmit we're to a third party. i think the theory and our allegation in this case is with regard to all six of the murders at all of the people close to the defendant were out of town or out of the house during the time of the commission of the murders. so which gave the defendant to perfect form some of the acts which we allege. where were were listed in the planning document i mean, this was a married man with children. >> the idea that this would have been committed, possibly hit this evidence found in the home allegedly. i mean, the timeline here, i mean, some of these murders and some of these bodies this had been committed over decades, and frankly, it's been a year since even heuermann himself was arrested in that house, was searched multiple times why do you think it took so long to get this planning document and other evidence to come to light. >> so we my office, you know what i occupied the office beginning in 2022 we we formed a task force. we had success, obviously, when you talk about a case that's 12 and 13-years-old, it takes a lot of time. there's a lot of evidence to sift through. >> and then once we made arrests made the arrest and searched, he had over 350 smart devices in his house, many of whom were encrypted. >> so it takes awhile forensically to go through all that stuff 350 smart devices. >> i mean, i cannot believe we are talking about the literal mountain the evidence, that you are building in this case, but this planning document, i mean, it outlined something that said possible problems at a murder scene and supplies needed. it is shocking in its detail and specificity is there a hunch that this suspect? might be connected to even more killings? >> so on gilgo beach, there were there are ten bodies on gilgo beach. we've charged five of those ten bodies. we initially charged what we known as the gilgo four. we said we weren't going to stop. we said we're going to we're going to investigate the body he's on the beach as well as the bodies and suffolk county in general, we've done that and the indictment of for the charges pre-training to ms castillo and ms taylor are the fruits of those labors. we're going to continue. we're not going to stop. >> he had property. i understand. other areas of the country. is there a coordinated effort to also have investigations in those areas as well? >> yes. i have jurisdiction in suffolk county as part of the task force we've accumulated a mass amount of evidence with regard to this defendant and we collaborate with all of our partners in all the jurisdiction when do you think the trial in this case might take place? you mentioned over 300 different smart devices. is there a sense of when this trial might actually happen? >> well, one of the things 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a glimpse of that message while speaking at the 80th anniversary of d-day today now we have to ask ourselves, when we stand against tyranny, against evil, against crushing brutality of the iron fist we stay for freedom we defend democracy. >> we stand together. >> my answer is yes, it only can be yes well, this speech comes as the biggest conflict in europe since world war ii is raging right now. and ukraine i was going to speak at a cliff that us forces captured from the germans and where another president gave a powerful speech, some 40 years ago these are the boys went to who these are the men who took the cliffs these are the champions who helped free a continent. these heroes who helped end a war with me now, retired lieutenant general russell honore. thank you so much for joining us today general the biden administration is billing this speech as a message to the entire world about not only freedom, but american democracy can you tell me from your perspective, what do you think president biden needs? to convey to try to reassure allies well, we have a term we go around lessons learned. >> the lesson learned is unleashed. charity, as was in world war ii. these men knew, recognize the living that was recognized the day in the honor given to the de those that did not come home, 9,001 cemetery there nor recognize the fact that the sacrifice they may so we could live free in democracies and countries had the opportunity to do that. the president is using this stage, i think in a very artful way to remind the american people are reminded the world that this war was fought because of the aggression of the hitler fascist regime, which wanted to take over the world and wanted and dominated dead party in europe. and murdered people a because of their religion. the president is reminding as using this point of honor for those that are living and to honor the dead, tamar that this can happen again only ukraine is another example. what we look at the russian aggression in ukraine. i think is adequate that the president, because a lot of people though notice history, they haven't studied. they don't know the sacrifices that were made. sayyed, president light, president reagan, and every president and in-between as you this moment to recognize a sacrifice. but this is using to raina's the importance of us to bend democracy well, general, he is the commander in chief. >> he's also a political figure as you well know. and there is going to be an intersection these two points. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell actually called out the isolationists, members of the republican party in an op-ed that he wrote in the new york times today. and i'm going to quote a part of it for you. he says, it should not take another catastrophic attack like pearl harbor to wake today's isolationists from the delusion that regional conflicts have no consequences for the world's most powerful and prosperous nation as you know, trump is arguably one of the leading voices on this notion of isolationism what message will it send the world if that particular political philosophy is leading the nation again it can have catastrophic iupac going is not just people in europe that's getting the a taste of this authority users and we see it's spreading throughout europe and throughout the world and democracy is losing ground and i agree with senator mcconnell, or more missile more statements that you've ever made in recent, recent years. >> but fierce is scares me. the voice in the rhetoric coming out of former president trump. and his idea of isolationism backing away from nato is friends would put it scares the hell out of me. and it's time to do this on this stage in the front of these veterans who made this may be the last trip to one of these anniversary of meetings they will go to the big bivouac in the sky no, on that america is still free in a democracy which so many of their friends, 9,000 of net, normally, you'd be lives four. so i think this speech tamar is very important for president biden, the give and the world needs to hear the need to be reminded indeed, the weight of this moment is certainly upon us and i'm sure the president does feel this at a time like this. >> and yet there are polls that show that more americans believed that the united states is providing too much assistance to ukraine compared to the start of the war. >> and son who support an isolationist stance argue that america just spend too much money, too much time on foreign problems and not enough on domestic issues i don't know. you can separate the two in a world that we are in. but how do you think the american? electorate could balance these two notions i think american would need to be reminded, we'll 5% of world population we consume 520, 5% of the world's stuff. >> we are blessed would a great economy a great workforce would agree that they would a great education system. yeah, there are issues here. we need to deal where we need to deal with water. we need to deal with air. we need to deal with. i've coastline. but this war in ukraine is the front line to stop putin for gone through europe, just like give them march through 80 years ago, because he will not stop at ukraine it's a given fact. >> he want to read impose the soviet empire through kinetic artillery and support enable support and overtake europe. >> that's his objective, these old kgb agent with a lot of all fields and guess that's all the years we have to stop putin and ukraine and we have to save the people of ukraine. and oh, by the way, we're doing this with material and money, not with boots on the ground. the whole nato war plan was stopped the soviets from attacking we let them go into your georgia and we let them go into croatia. we looked the other way. we could not look away. he must be stopped in ukraine and we must help to people that ukraine by providing them the equipment we need. and we're doing this with no boots on the ground a tenant general, russell 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is their tonight attending a private fundraiser, co-hosted by well-known tech on chip newrez. >> the price for entry. >> a cool $300,000 ahead as much as 500,000 for couple. if you can a little bit deal. >> it just kept trump's visit is raising questions about whether the ones liberal stronghold is becoming a bit more red recent headlines they might tell the story. silicon valley elite warm to donald trump, trump silicon valley supporters are all in this time one of the obvious ones elon musk, who's been getting a whole lot trump year, perhaps as of late, trump himself phrasing musk today i'm a fan of ilan. i like ilan, but you know, i liked them and i think a lot of people are going to want to buy electric cars. but if you want to buy a different type of code, you're going to have, you have to have a choice but you know, it's not just elon musk. i mean, one of the men hosting tonight's fundraiser, david sacks hopes events like kids will give cover to other tech bigwigs to publicly embraced mega, satisfying the new york times quote, it safe to say there's a wellspring of support and silicon valley we now new york times reporter teddy shleifer, who's been all over, how big money is impacting politics. teddy. >> so glad you're here. so why are the techies doing this? what do they want from trump? >> i think that there's been a reaction to biden in silicon valley that i don't even think democrats predicted. this is not really about trump's kind appeal to folks in silicon valley because i don't necessarily think there's that much of a mine mel between the two of them. but if you talked with cut entrepreneurs in silicon valley they think that joe biden is darth vader there is a sense that the regulatory state has gone overboard and you know, that who cares what joe biden thinks about climate change or immigration all of these issues that used to matter a lot to the industry during the obama era. and certainly maybe during the beginning of the biden-era now there's been this intense backlash. >> i'm not saying that's true for all people in tech or maybe not even for the median person in tech, but in the upper most elite echelon of silicon valley, people who are billionaires, joe biden has never been less popular. are there certain sectors of silicon valley? and this impacts more than others? >> you know, i think you mentioned elon musk elon on a sort of i think of as the tip of the spear of kind a type of centre-left tech leader who cares primarily but economic issues, but if you look at elon musk twitter feed, you don't have to know that he cares a lot about the border cares a lot about what he calls the woke mind virus. i don't really think it says a necessarily a certain sub industry intact that is about joe biden, but it's a certain class of entrepreneur who's usually male, usually white unusually very wealthy who is just fed up with what they see as a biden dictatorships, so to speak, who is david sachs? so david sacks is somebody who a couple of years ago was just silicon valley famous, but he's kinda become a media sensation, is the host of a podcast called all in which has really taken off in popularity, found product market fit in tech speak he's a close friend of elon musk's these two work together at paypal 20 years ago, 25 years ago. also very close from peter teal and over the last couple of years, david sacks has become sort of this unlikely political maestro he is hiring aides to give us guidance, political giving you starting political action committees. and tonight, he said, stick a fundraiser at his management san francisco, which you're gonna raise about 12 or $13 for the trump campaign. >> that's no light lift. why trump in particular, why do you think he's putting his weight behind him? >> so it actually wasn't trumpet first david sacks, probably heard of him if he heard him, the reason why they might have was last spring, david sacks, elon musk were the two people who launched the rhonda desantis campaign on twitter. you may remember that the twitter stream was very glitchy. it was, it's become this metaphor maybe for the glitchy agnes of the decision as campaign itself. david sachs wanted to stand as to win and lots of people until in silicon valley, sorry, david's talked about run a set its to win and for lots of folks in the industry, donald trump was other first choice. but if you're, if you're choice is robert f. kennedy or donald trump, when you're decided you don't want joe biden, president republicans, and silicon valley are getting on the trump train. and i think that trump is going to be making more trips to the valley. this is his first trip to san francisco in over a decade but he is finding that this industry, which is so associated with liberalism, with openness, with the obama era bono me between, you know the optimism, optimism of the tech industry that's done. it's a pretty dark place in some quarters silicon valley now is this a one-off? >> are there other people at other fundraisers up ahead? i mean, that the mount monday you talking about raising is an already huge haul from the hush money trial so donald trump is there in part because of jd vance who is a possible vice presidential candidate. and vance has really been encouraging the trump campaign to not write off these rich tech people lots of republicans have for a long time, and trump did in 2016 and 2020, he barely cultivated these people. >> but his crew is not stupid. >> they can see the energy that is kind of fomenting against joe biden. and they can see the factors an opportunity here for the first time in decades for conservatives to become big fundraisers in the tech industry. i think there's a good chance trump is another one of these before november, i mean, you talked about the upper echelon of the elite that's not the average voter, but silicon valley, you must have a cost-benefit analysis for this campaign hey, we think about it so great to hear your perspective. >> 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hit? here we've been out a crunch some numbers. cnn senior data reporter harry, and then we'll call him a good boy today. >> i want, to call. myself a bad boy. why don't i get cold there? no number crunches were bad boys. i feel like it could be the bad boys of the number cruncher steep cornea. you can be the good point. the number cruncher is okay. i don't know. do you have like rolled-up sleeves and some cheetos you're going to wear. that's the good boy uniform. what do you, aaron? wearing shorts right now, if i could possibly lift up my legs camera, you could see i'm wearing a red shorts, so i am. you are john mcenroe and you are officially a bad voice that's what we're gonna do now i have a whole vision of what's happening down below. so are people still hungry for this franchise and for willow smith in particular, because as as you know, there was huge backlash to what happened. yeah. i rarely get professional advice to folks, but on this one, i do have to give and that is do not slap somebody in public. alright. do not do it because we can see and will smith's q score, which is essentially the amount of americans who say that he is one of their favorites pre slap, it was a 39. it has now dropped to less than half of that at 19. so no will smith is not anywhere near as popular as he once was. and it's very clear that americans do not like their stars slapping other american stars. >> i didn't know there was then called the q score, but i do wonder how that compares, because 19 still sounds pretty high and again, today he was and still is a very popular actor even if he's gotten down. and this is a very popular franchise though. so what's usually expected from the first three bad boys move, let alone the first one. >> yeah. yeah. so what is expected on this open? opening weekend, right. what could be considered decent. so we can look back at what the third film pulled in on its opening weekend. it was 62.5 million. this fourth film, the forecast is for at least 40 million if it doesn't hit that, let's say comes in at 25 million, that may seem pretty decent. but remember, this is a film who's budget i believe was $100 million, 25 million, ain't going to cut it. 40 plus million is the benchmark we're looking at that as underwent the third film made. but of course the third film grossed well, more well into the hundreds of millions of dollars. so at this 0.40 plus million, i think is a good benchmark for a bad boys. number four that's your bedroom, right? i want 100 million. >> same thing for this for this. what what do you do also, i wonder what there might be the slap effect, but there's also world where everyone is streaming. i mean, are people even going through movies enough to make the same sort of mighty that they use to make before that was the omnipresent option yeah. >> no. look, people have not been turning out to films as much as they used to look at the 2024 domestic box office year-to-date versus just last year. it's down 27% vs 2019 pre-pandemic down 43%. folks are not going to the movies as much as they used to. i'm trying to think think back up. i've been to a movie this year and i don't believe that i have i've been at home streaming those films. it's very easy, you know, i flip over when i'm not on your show, i go i'm able to stream your show and then i'm able to flip over to another film. it's one of these things i can't watch you, at least in a movie not yet, but maybe one day for you, laura it's funny. you should say something i'm up for an oscar. >> it's the whole thing. don't ask me about it. i'm just kidding. seriously, but i'm always the movies i love. i'm a go to the movies like the annie, let's go to the movies. let's go see a show for some reason, i always love it and i don't mind empty theater for the matinee, but don't tell anyone that i'm not at a meeting for that reason. >> of course harry enten. thank you so much and thank you all for watching anderson coop