you won't physicians mutual wednesday, may 29th, right now on cnn this morning, 12 manhattan jurors about to begin deciding the fate of a former president will it impact the future of the country? >> plus ahead. all right your question robert de niro taking on trump and tangling with his supporters outside the manhattan courthouse and hurricane-force winds pushing an american airlines 7307 completely away from the gate with no one at the helm? >> and the best of america's pastime finally, getting there dues. major league baseball, shaking up the all-time record books 6:00 a.m. here in washington. alive. look at new york city is a town that is going to start deliberating donald trump's fate here later on this morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us the arguments have been made and now it's time for 12 ordinary people from manhattan to decide whether or not donald trump is a criminal, a decision that might shake up the race for president or might not. >> it was a long and often tedious day for the jury on wednesday, the defense went on for nearly three hours and the prosecution nearly five hours just attorney terry into star witness, michael cohen, telling jurors he's quote, the human embodiment of reasonable doubt, literally, he lied to you repeatedly. >> he lied many, many many times before you even met him. >> have you guys heard of a goat's like goat, the greatest of all time. >> michael cohen is the gloat. he is literally the greatest liar of all time. prosecution getting the last word telling jurors quote, we didn't choose michael cohen to be our witness. we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen as is fixer because he was willing to lie and cheat on his behalf the prosecution insisting the evidence against donald trump is quite literally overwhelming but also it was what went on outside the courthouse, the turned heads yesterday and underscored just how tense things are in this election year, and how explosive this verdict could be see this guy get on so much bleeding. it is blowing up my ear drums, her pants here. >> elliot williams former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst, new york times white house correspondents olin kano young's and matt gorman, former senior advisor for tim scans presidential campaign gentlemen, wonderful to have you this morning. eliot, quite a scene outside the courthouse was loud or maybe since the volume might have my earpiece, but it was pretty loud. >> no, it was quite a scene outside the courthouse and it's interesting in that it was the first overt time that the biden campaign or the biden camp, if you want to call it that played fought back politically and i leave it to the political folks just sort of unpack the wisdom thereof. it did bring yet another spectacle of chaos to the street outside in front of the courthouse. but that was there already. i don't know if the injection of robert de niro really changed that all that much yeah. >> i mean, like it was a quintessentially new york for exceed. right. i mean, naturally it's all over the front page of the new york post et cetera. but look, i mean, i think my big picture question here as we head into these jury deliberations on a mat, is whether or not it's can change any votes and our garry tuckman went and talked to some voters in georgia i just want to show you it's speaks for itself. watch if donald trump is found guilty to any of you who say you're ready to vote for donald trump, would you consider switching to joe biden? >> raise your hands? no consideration even if he time guilty. >> other hand, if he's found not guilty. >> and have you voting for joe biden, would you then possibly consider donald trump all right. everyone sticking with the candidates they have right now no changes. >> matt gorman, it's entertaining at least but know that that's kind of where expected things didn't to net out. >> and regarding de niro, i mean, i've said this kinda repeatedly when you shot republican members of congress are politicians go up there. that's where the cameras are. and i think the biden campaign essentially admitted this yesterday. so if you want to break through, you want to reach if muhammad can't go to the mountain, the mountain was come to walk mohammed's there you go. right? >> and one of the other things too politically, this tells me that it was a first scrappy move we've seen from the biden campaign in a while, there was a pretty good piece, i believe in the new york times really saying that the biden a couple weeks ago, the same that the biden campaign is acting like its winning, but it's not this was one of the first acknowledgements that's like, you know, we need to do something different. we need to think through. we can't play all conservative with a small c. we have to be a little bit scrappy. this was one of those times yeah. >> i mean, i still i think when you look at at at a focus group light that it's somewhat why you can still expect the biden campaign to focus on abortion and democracy even more so, regardless of what happens what this trial really, there also even with the de niro appearance yesterday, there is this is still really just a cautious approach when it comes to this trial or really any of the legal proceedings for donald trump when it comes to the biden campaign they are very concerned as well as other democrats about sort of pouring fuel on the fire when it comes to donald trump's claims false claims it's that biden has directed prosecutors to investigate donald trump and they fear that sort of comments about the trial will feed into that. i mean, it's interesting. there was even caution, caution yesterday, width to nero's appearance, he what kind of went off script when at the end of those remarks, he said that yes, he did believe that donald trump should go to jail the biden campaign, i think to your point more so was looking for that sort of new york moment of what, you know, it's interesting, you say this caution about being seen as fueling the fire. and this is a long say it's maybe not just your by democrats generally have to respect this system and the norms of government and courts and their integrity and so well, the fire is got a lot of fuel on it to begin with, whether it's outside the courtroom, inside the courtroom, or how people talk and think about this case. and so it's almost a recognition of the reality that depth there is politics swirling all around this, and they're sort of unit the laterally disarming by not campaigning at the scene of the trial of the crime, i guess. >> and you know what that's the double-edged sword up. the golden era. you're going to have those moments where you get to take your piece out because there's so many bleeps. but, you no disrespect to quentin fulks, who's who's deputy campaign manager. one of the main spokespeople. you're not going to get that type of coverage. who quentin fulks can get with de niro so one thing that we keep, you know, kind of going back to over and over and over again is whether or not any of this is going to move anything. i mean, we saw that with the voters there there was a reference in court yesterday to donald trump being able to shoot people on fifth avenue with the prosecutor saying he shouldn't be able to shoot people on fifth avenue this is a poll. >> just just bear with me, but its dennis quaid, who you may remember from a number of well-known at films. i talking appears morgan about why he supports donald trump. and it's i found it telling watch he makes sense. >> i was running not to vote for trump until i what i saw is more than politics. i see a weaponization of our justice system. >> yeah. and challenged or our constitution. >> but trump is the most investigated person probably in the history of the world and they haven't been able to really get him that people might call them but he's my my gorman deadline right there. >> i've last line. yeah. i mean, i can tell you may have heard some version of that with traveled coaching with tim scott, jeb bush, like this is this i could've heard that in 2015 and not been spreads. i'm still might be on a whole, but he's my yeah, i look, i think one of the things you see is there is a large i would say, not as seen in an amount of people who say, look, i don't necessarily like down trump as a person, not the nicest guy. tweets caught on and on but i will get biden and i don't think he can run the government and i also wanted people to afford groceries before gas and have, you know, buy a home. and i think there's a lot of people like that that was not really that surprising to me that line because everybody who watches cnn this morning with kasie hunt watches it every single good morning. people should know that yesterday, we talked about this very point and this notion of the power of celebrity and divorcing the man from the idea of the man and this was in the context of a trump oprah ticket, right? and what you're hearing a little bit from dennis quaid, there is talking about trump's celebrity hey far more than trump the politician. it's just sort of the idea and the aura around this person. and that seems to almost intoxicate people. >> yeah, i found the tribalism of it noteworthy people forget he had, he had the number one show a tie for how many years? think about the context now, it's like jim parsons running for president like that is a well-known thing that you can't really duplicate before you can get a politics. >> yeah. all right. coming up next year, donald trump's family showing you the court to support him a couple of them, one missing plus lawmakers and taiwan nearly coming to blows will tell you why plus sender chris coons live from taiwan on how to best handle china's aggression cnn this morning is brought to you by vip guard and vip guard high truly i've struggled with generalized myasthenia gravis. >> but the pitcher started changing when i started 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you can see we understand. >> that this is a political persecution. they bring in robert de niro, who was shot down, but apparently he needs attention because it's been a while since he's cranked out a good movie they're sitting there, they're laughing. >> they're giggling. this was their moment. this is how they embarrass donald trump, this is the legal lawfare this was never a case about protecting the citizens of the city of new york. this is a case about politics. pure and simple some members of the trump family coming to the defense of the former president after yesterday's closing, arguments, that was donald trump junior, eric and his wife, lara, they have been seen in the courtroom throughout the criminal hush money trial. >> there was of course, it continued notable absence. the former first lady, there has been no sign of melania's standing by her man in public trump's eldest daughter, ivanka, her husband, jared kushner, who played key roles in the trump white house, have not journeyed to lower manhattan for the trial either it's all on i can't say that this is surprising to me. the millennia, not showing up considering the topic at hand do you think it hurts donald trump in any way? does it matter? >> well, i mean, luck. this is legally, this is to the jury at this point, so i'm not sure if it doesn't really matter. but politically look my colleague katie rogers wrote, wrote about this dynamic. a couple of months ago and wrote a book on first lady ship and what she was saying is that melania has always seen this as donald trump's, this trial as donald trump's issue, not hers. that being said, it it obviously has made her angry at times, going back to january 28, contain when reports of this hush money payment we're we're still being revealed one thing that i think you should watch is will this impact the public support melania trump has for donald trump moving forward as the campaign rolls on we've seen at times when there's been tension or its approval that melania has had signs of showing public disapproval of donald trump going back to something completely different, but even with the border and wearing a shirt that it said showed some disapproval. so you know, that could be something to see could the outcome of this trial impact whether or not melania trump shows up at campaign events answer shows up with donald trump moving forward on the campaign trail and shows public support. >> do you think that impacts what i'm interested in? >> what was notable to me was i think this is more a little bit of a preview of what we would see, who we would see, who wouldn't see as active in a trump white house. >> yeah, i know you saw those three folks there layer trump's kinda coat reading the rnc, don junior and erik, i always kind of been out there volga and jared have kinda kept their distance from the campaign and there's tens, we could be the white house two, i also think maybe melania two if who's to go back and watch should be first lady again, maybe it wouldn't be as active as a role as it was the first time around. >> yeah. yeah. i just feel like we get hung up a lot on guilty versus not guilty. what happens if he is convicted? and as it and that's perfectly fine. forgetting that this is a married couple. and whether he's convicted or not there is still this cloud of diddy sleep with a porn star. did he pay what he did pay off a porn star? the question is, did the relationship happened and so on. and i would think setting aside whether he's convicted or not, i would think a spouse would probably not take issue with some of the behavior that's right into question. well, she'll start appearing with them on the campaign trail if he is acquitted, just sort of the underlying problem is still there. anyway. is yes, although it doesn't seem as though voters released seemed to know you don't want an election since 2016 he may be on track to win the next one we will see coming up more of this trump returns to the white house. 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storm threats today concentrated in the rockies, but also across central and south texas. let's get to our meteorologists, elisa rafah. elisa. good morning. what can we expect to see? >> good morning. we're gonna continue to find some cases of damaging winds and large hail today. look at the hail overnight in parts of colorado, just north of denver. i mean, it looks like it's noted this is hail blinken of white. you could shovel and plow and you can see in some of this, this video here that we have some flooding, rains as well that have brought some of the hail as well. so you can see the roadway just totally flooded and then all of that plowed up to the side. that is hail, not snow, just incredible to see winds yesterday in parts of dallas were upwards of 80 miles it's per hour. parts of texas, 95 mile per hour. wind gust in the colony, texas, 80 miles per hour for parts of texas. and that has knocked out power still about a half 1 million people in the dark this morning as power crews try to get that power back on. here's a look at radar right now. we do have a couple of storms with some lighter showers and from both of thunder from houston down towards corpus christi, nothing severe right now. but as we go into the afternoon, we might find an isolated storm and damaging winds and large hail, not as destructive as it was yesterday, but we still have to keep an eye out for some storms to develop from shreveport back down towards houston. you've got a greater chance of severe weather from rapid city two denver du will find these showers and storms that could possibly ignite as we go through the day today, going into tomorrow, some of those again could ignite from the panhandle of texas and oklahoma. so something that we'll have to watch out for as we go through our thursday. casey all right. >> at least a rough before us. elisa, thank you very much. >> just ahead here is donald trump intentionally embracing an outlaw image plus oscar-winner robert de niro 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courthouse they're to their trailers i don't know. >> i don't even know how to deal with you. my friend. >> i don't even know how to deal with this guy, get on okay. >> panels back were drawn by isaac dovere, who covers president biden at for us in great depth, isaac. this was a very interesting decision on a number of levels what went into it, and what has the reaction been in the white house considering the scenes that came out of new york us today. >> the big issue that joe biden has had for his entire presidency and certainly for this campaign is how to break through. and here we are talking about what robert de niro said about donald trump in front of the courthouse yesterday. >> although in fairness, we're not really talking about what he said at the microphones. we're more talking about yeah. >> we can what is going on? i'm here is that it's not just about getting through to undecided voters. there's also an enthusiasm problem with the biden campaign knows that they have with their voters and four, whatever else might have been sad about what nero said yesterday. it did channel a lot of that energy that biden friendly or democratic tweeters are those people want craig, that's what he's saying. the microphone this is what they are all mashing into their keyboards. and there's something about having that said in such a public forceful way by obviously an identifiable guy, obviously someone who is known to many americans as a tough guy, even now he play the tough guy many times. >> so democratic lefty twitter is on fire, probably over that, but what about swing voters and wisconsin or pennsylvania that the biden campaign particularly like who, who do they need and how does that work for them? curious? they need a lot of people, they need their, their voters, right and you look at the polls they need more people than they have currently. >> if he is going to win second term. and so but i do think it's both those things going on, right. more people are aware that something happened yesterday in new york than would have been if de niro hadn't been there to match point earlier in the show, if quentin fulks biden, deputy campaign manager, had done the press conference or michael tyler, who is the communications director, who introduced robert niro. we would not be doing a segment on michael tyler is comments on the microphone so even if it wasn't fu fu that's pretty wafer campaign manager der viral. >> want to take it when you went forward. good good fellows. >> but to isaacs pointed, it's not, it's not even necessarily the swing voters. that's not resort of the intention behind bringing it to nero. yeah, it's sort of the concern around the voters that may actually, that may not want to vote for trump, but are between biden and staying home, right? when you have somebody going out like this? sort of a thinking by the campaign is if we can have somebody that speaks to the passion that we want people to be feeling now, can we build them through z asm? and will that be the thing that moves people? to actually go vote? got extended. the point i made before celebrity bringing them into political campaigns is such a double-edged sword. >> i was sitting in romney headquarters when clinics, what was talking to the empty chair. >> i remember the convention, yes. right before mitt romney went on do you remember nobody really want to tell it what to say it. was a well, but we're getting were like afraid of afraid of them, right. look, celebrities don't have the same incentive structure that politicians are surrogates do, right? they are playing a completely different ballgame. if your objectives lineup god bless you'd go to town, but always, not always. does it happen? yeah. so jason miller, of course, was out there. he's the trump campaign spokesman. they rebutted this deniers situation in basically real time. here's what he said. here's the argument he made so the biden folks have finally done it after months of seeing the politics had nothing to do with this trial. they showed up and made a campaign event out of a lower manhattan trial de for president trump in the best that biden can do is roll-out a washed up actor so i mean, i was like it did give the trump team andat one point, i think the verdict is gonna change anything. well, we'll see i think that one of the problems that you hear from a lot of concern democrats right now is that there have been many moments so far where we have been told either the reporters told privately by campaign officials or they've sort of said it publicly that this is the turning point for the campaign. this is when the dynamics are about to ship. this is when people are going to focus in and plug-in. and that's going to benefit joe biden so far, every time has come and gone. and this may be a different moment, but if so, it will be the change from all these other moments that we've had so far that we're supposed to be well and politico put out, let's put the political headline up on the screen. this from from yesterday about democrats freaking out. basically, there it is dems in full-blown freak out over biden. now this is in some ways a perennial situation with democrats elliot, you used to worked for them. you understand the as well as isaac. i mean, this is we joke about it here. but this is how they put it. they say quote, you don't want to be that guy who's on the record saying we're doomed or the campaign's bad, or biden's making mistakes. nobody wants to be that guy. so democratic operative in close touch with the white house granted anonymity to speak freely, but biden stubbornly poor polling in the state because of the election are creating the freak out. this isn't oh god, mitt romney might become president it's oh, my god du, democracy might end. and i mean, i had to say that i feel that from sources that they are freaking out about the state of the camp the pain is this just another cycle of that or democrats and full-blown free get over fill in the blank every day of the week, every week of the year, always. but yes, the stakes of this election are high and we i have this weird confluence of people feeling like they don't want to talk about the election are tuned out from it and that we will be living in a different country three, if joe biden as president or if donald trump as present, there are two different countries in two different futures for america. and you can choose which one you want, but it is a really important election. and it's one that people feel like you can't lose. i multiple people i've talked to voters have said to me, i just wish we could have an election where it it didn't feel like everything was on the line. we've had that in 2016 and 2020. now, again, in 2024 but i would say each time it's there has been a truth to it. >> you were saying that this might be a moment that the biden campaign sees a shift. i feel like we've been hearing over the past year, time and time again. this is gonna be the 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replaces ty cobb as the game's all-time leading hitter. and babe ruth as the best slugger ever. eleia's, it's cool to see these guys finally getting their due and my hot take is a yankee fan. >> well, it's going to be critical. it's critical to me, critical. it's that we revere folks like babe ruth, who never played against black players. and there's something to be said for just having a more would say holistic look at success in baseball and just look at josh gibson. he also more interestingly, he replaces buried bonds for slugging percentage and on-base plus slugging, which is sort of ml k's dream. the idea that one black man can replace another who has fallen in disgrace, right? like how would finally finally arrived when a man can implode as a black person, steroids scandal and be replaced by other less hot take as as a red sox fan we, celebrate jackie robinson and every baseball stadium in america, right? but we don't recognize his season for the kansas city monarchs yeah, in a way, this is about continuing to remember history and celebrate history even for one of our sports leads here, yeah, yeah, we will all right right now, democratic senator chris coons of delaware is in taiwan, part of a by partisan congressional trip to asia. >> koons has long challenged china's economic policies and its position on human rights stressing the need for a sustained american strategy for dealing with china. joining me now, live from taipei is senator coons a member of the senate foreign relations committee, has also co-chair president biden's reelection campaign center. i'm very grateful to have you thanks for being here good, morning, casey. >> great to be honest with you. >> so senator, we saw china in circle taiwan in military drills in the last week or so, it was a set of images that were a bit stunning quite honestly, what did you make the decision to do? their decision to do that? what message do you want to send to china with the trip that you're on well, i'm part of a bipartisan and bicameral delegation that's here in taipei. >> there's a house delegation and senate delegation. and i think all of us here to deliver a message of support for taiwan. they just had a free and fair collection. >> we met with the new president, president ally, who's just been inaugurated, as well as his new defense minister of foreign minister. >> and the message that we sent in congress by appropriating several billion dollars of support for our partners and our allies in the indo-pacific is reinforced by having a group of senators and a group of house members come here to taiwan and meet with their new elected leadership. the prc sent ships and planes all around the island as you just said, casey in a show of force to intimidate the people of taiwan. and we're trying to counterbalance that with a show of support so sir, how how high do you believe the risk of escalation in taiwan is right at this moment, how close are we to a potentially hot conflict there? well, the risk is high if we don't deliver, how high do you believe the risk of s my apologies, sir. that was siri interrupting us always listening, always on theory go ahead. >> sorry. >> i think the risk of escalation is high if we don't provide effective deterrence, if we don't help show that there is a better path forward for the prc in this region and as we discussed today, in every one of our meetings the leaders here in taiwan and the leaders in the prc principally is using paying are watching russia's aggression against ukraine and what the consequences are if russia succeeds in overrunning ukraine and in crushing their resistance two, russian aggression i think, and everyone we met with today here, things that will teach jiajing ping that he can successfully overrun taiwan by force. so i think that was always in the backdrop as we were debating the important supplemental appropriations bill that the congress just passed in president biden just signed into law. if we show determination, if we show that other countries in this region that are democracies are also determined to support ukraine and support taiwan i think we have a solid chance of deflecting the possibility of open aggression by the prc on another foreign policy issue at the white house yesterday said that they do not believe that israel has cross the president's red line in rafah, even as we've reported, that american munitions have been linked to some of those tragic strikes that killed a gazans in a refugee camp that was supposed to be a safe zone outside gaza. do you think that the red line has been crossed well i think that's a determination president biden must make and apparently according to his spokespeople has made that this most recent incident did not cross the generally shared view that a large-scale invasion of rafah without allowing for civilians to relocate is an unacceptable use of american weaponry against a legitimate target. hamas and hamas fighters. if i understand correctly, and i've been on travel kc, but i've prime minister netanyahu publicly said that this was a tragic mistake and was launching investigation of the targeting. there were legitimate targets to hamas senior operatives, but there were too many civilian deaths in this incident, as i understand it from the reporting that i've seen a case he had just reminds all of us that there are both ongoing legitimate targets for israel in gaza. >> the hamas fighters who are still holding a dozens and dozens of hostages and continuing to launch rockets at israel. >> and over 1 million innocent civilians in the way that israel has it's an obligation to allow to move and to provide humanitarian assistance. my concern here are principally casey, is that there just aren't enough routes for humanitarian assistance to get in. there's too much suffering and there needs to be a change in direction here. if israel is ultimately going to be successful so let me ask you to put your campaign co-chairman hat on for just a second. >> we saw the biden campaign in the form of robert de niro show up outside the courthouse yesterday in lower manhattan, which resulted in a number of profanities and confrontation between de niro and some trump supporters. my question for you is, do you think that it's smart for the biden campaign to be outside the courthouse talking politics, the trump campaign criticism is that shows that the trial is political. on the flip side, i'm curious. do you think that the biden campaign it should be even more aggressive than that they've been considering the state of the poles well, i haven't thought about this much kc, but i'll say this for the last three weeks literally 24/7. >> it's been the only thing that's been covered on this network so i appreciate the chance to talk about taiwan. i appreciate the chance to talk about other foreign policy concerns. the war in gaza, but i suspect that robert janeiro khuza'a new yorker went to the trial in part because there's so much press there. if you look at the image you've got up on the tv right now, there are more microphones there than there are in the entire island nation of taiwan. so i suspect he's there because you're there well i appreciate you coming on to talk about any number of topics and i hope you do see that we are, we have a broader lens here in the morning. >> i am very grateful to you and your colleague to take for taking the time to talk out of your trip, to talk to us about this, then recruits. thank you very much. thanks, casey, great to be with you. thank you. >> alright. >> let's turn now to this one thing. >> one thing i want to see one thing i want to say they're always gon whisper your accomplishments and shout your failures trump most shout the wins for all of us make america great again. all right. as he prepares for a verdict to come down in his hush money trial, donald trump is increasingly aligning himself, the new york times writes with convicted criminals and those also facing criminal charges in just the past week, trump has rallied alongside sheff g, and sleepy hallow two rappers accused of conspiracy to commit murder trump has also pledged to commute the sentence of internet drug dealer ross ulbricht and appeared backstage with the wrapper afro, afro man, who has admitted to punching a woman. and as he leans into what the new york times calls his outlaw image, he is of course, also hawking his own mug shot merch. this despite brand himself repeatedly in the past as the law and order candidate protect them from being destroyed by the radical-left for taking strong actions on crime. >> we're going to protect our police. >> crime is rampant all over the place. we have to go back to being a country of law and order. we are gonna be very tough one when crime, we have to bring in the death penalty if we want to stop the infestation of drugs coming into our country will say my gorman is a bit of a contradictory set of messages. you don't it's one of those things where i think at least with a mug shot it's have a weakness, it's out there, turn it into a strength. i think what you saw there, at least there's a couple of kinda constituencies coming into play and how they're kinda try always to be brought into the trunk tat yet saw ross ulbricht, afro man well because afro man and natural program. >> i mean, i know, well now you need a reference to because i got high right. >> i'll vote for trump, but then i got maybe i don't know let me there isn't any afro manga and libertarian votes, but he's trying to get the libertarian vote. >> you have also the south bronx rally was in large part about, i think a broader seem to mind already voters that they're going to really compete for them. >> so in a way, these kind of moves over the last week is a coagulation of the trump campaign, trying to get a lot of people into the tent from different areas that might have been taught to yet. yeah, but it is an apparent contradiction here. i remember after the protests and writing and portland in 2020 and immediately the message from the trump campaign was about law and order and sort of portraying biden as sort of leader depends on which side you're on. >> right? right. but at the same time, i mean, on the given day, you might hear the trump campaign attack, the biden campaign over crime. crime is declining. you might hear him frame himself as law and order present at the same time, also praised january 6 defendants, right. so we have these sort of two two sides here, and they are at conflict with one another it's not the answer is what you said, casey, which is if you are supportive of donald trump whether it however you got there, then he will say good things about you. >> who will invite you on stage it happen with ron desantis and happened with these two rappers and that's the only thing that they really have in common. right but i do think it is hard to say that you're the party of law and order here. the candidate law and order. when you're standing on stage with people who are the charge in a conspiracy to commit multiple murders when you are standing up at rallies and saluting people who ride at the capitol on january 6, attack to police officers when you did all these things, it does mean that you are a party of law and order when it suits you, by the way, when he is sitting in a criminal trial in manhattan, right now? >> right? >> yeah. it's interesting. something is clicking with black and brown men and donald trump, at least as the polling suggests now that they are at least intrigued by him in a way they haven't been in past elections now, i've read that the idea of trump being on trial resonates with black people and that's, and that's ludicrous but still some something messaging wise isn't working for joe biden, and is wearing for donald trump when it comes, particularly to black and brown men bragging about people generally, but black and brown man what do you think? >> that's a real concern? i don't know if when you talk to democrats and campaign for sure if the biden signed is if the concern is about blackman swinging over to trump as much again as it is about a lack of enthusiasm and staying home. also, i think when we talk about sort of conversations around around voters and demographic i fix, it's important to note that is not a monolith. there's a generational divide, two and a bit more of a lack of enthusiasm around younger black men twos, so kamala harris has spent a lot of time and to think about this and trying to do what she said in a bunch of meetings that reported this, is that she says she doesn't think that they're going to lose to donald trump with black men, but they're gonna lose maybe to the couch. >> and that's where that's your point out. it all right. very interesting. >> now, i will leave you with this. do you remember this? it's a double-decker airplane seat prototypes that launched 1,000 memes last year. the design was widely panned. it seems very cramped, also, safety and accessibility concerns. it made a lot of people wonder if the designer had ever actually flown on an airplane the designer behind them is actually back and now there is a luxury twist that has more room seats. they can go fully horizontal, but the vision behind the new first-class version of the design remains the same, removing the overhead locker to create two levels of airplane seating in one cabin with one passenger seated directly