the source with kaitlan collins starts now. >> tonight, straight from the source, forgot all, an adult website, and botox? a scathing new report says for misspent thousands of his donors dollars, and calls are coming for him to be expelled from congress. plus, the israeli military says it is recovered the body of a hostage of at al-shifa hospital, releasing new videos they say reveals a tunnel shaft. we'll go one-on-one with a top official in moments. and why osama bin laden's two decade oh manifesto justifying 9/11 go viral on tiktok? and more importantly, why are some americans sympathizing with it? and caitlin collins, and this is the source. . >> and i did congressman george santos now says he won't be running for reelection next year, and reelection may have been the least of his troubles. tonight he could be facing even more legal jeopardy. house ethics committee has just referred its new findings on santos to the justice department. the report finds, quote, substantial evidence of additional uncharged, unlawful conduct by the new york republican. the committee suggests that were crimes were committed in the 23 the santos was already charged with. i should note he has pleaded not guilty to those. the report finds that santos, quote, lately stole from his campaign and those funds to pay for his own personal expenses. here is what the report says, that people. nearly $3,000 worth of botox, purchases at sephora, taxi and hotel charges and las vegas during the time when the congressman told his staff he was on his honeymoon. and also, quote, smaller purchases from the website onlyfans. if you are watching and you don't know what it is, don't google it on your work computer. trust me. santos cold their work biased and a disgusting, politicized smear. the ethics committee did not subpoena him as part of the investigation, but the reason they gave is because he is a serial liar and they said his testimony would have low evidentiary value. santos did admit to cnn earlier this month he had made some errors on his financial filings. >> were there mistakes made on those forms? now i know there were. malicious? no. did i understand reporting dates? this is from last year or two this year? i didn't understand how that worked. and i'm a new candidate and i'm sorry, like, mistakes were made. >> he is sorry that mistakes were made. the ethics committee found that were much more that mistakes. now the question is, what will his colleagues think? a number of house republicans have indicated they will vote to expel santos when that vote comes up again, having previously not supported it enough to remove him from congress. but many were waiting for this report from the ethics committee. so far, at least ten republicans who voted against it last time now say they would vote for it. i'm joined now by santos's fellow new york republican congressman, mike lawler. congressman, what do you think? do you think george santos is ultimately kicked out of congress? >> no question. he is a serial liar with the report now out, is proven to be a serial life. and everything that i and many of my colleagues from new york have said for months has borne out. and i think it is time, long past time, for george santos to go. if he had any dignity or decency, he would have resigned yesterday. but obviously, we'll see, between now and the time we get back, whether or not he pleads guilty or resigns. or both. and whether or not we obviously have to come back and expel him. i pick the votes are there when we get back. >> you think the votes will be there. if there is a republican tonight who's on the fence, who doesn't know which way to vote, what would you say to them? >> this isn't about party. this is about country. it's about the institution. and anyone who is serving in public office needs to hold themselves and we need to hold them to a higher standard. george santos has defrauded the voters. he defrauded donors. he defrauded the nrcc. his treasurer pleaded guilty a month ago. a staffer pled guilty just this week to impersonating kevin mccarthy's chief of staff on a phone call with donors to try and defraud them of money. and obviously, he misused campaign funds, including paying for shopping sprees at ferragamo and hermes, including a subscription to onlyfans. it's absolutely absurd. it would be like an episode of veep and it would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. >> it's funny, except it's not because it's disturbing. i'm assuming, you were elected the same time he was. i'm assuming you knew you are not supposed to spend your campaign money on that kind of stuff? >> [laughter] that goes without saying. look, i think campaign funds are meant to be used to get your message out to the voters, to help elect you to public office. they're not meant to be used for personal gain in any way. and, you know, obviously, at the end of the day, this is about the public trust. this is about the people that we represent being able to trust we have their based interest at heart. and when you see episodes like this, when you see individuals like this who get elected to congress, it means the office. it demeans the institution. and it really does break the public trust. so i think this is far bigger than party. it's bigger than politics. and it's time for him to go. >> given that, we heard from speaker mike johnson today. he says he's troubled by the report. he didn't explicitly call for santos to resign. do you think speaker johnson should? >> look, i'll let the speaker speak for himself. i have said repeatedly that george santos needs to resign. i called on him to resign going back to the beginning of the year. i called on him to resign when he was indicted. i joined my new york colleagues in putting an expulsion resolution on the floor and voted to expel him. he needs to go. and i think, after this ethics report came out today, the sentiments i have heard from many of my colleagues, including those that were waiting for a level of due process here, is that he's got to go. >> but speaker johnson, he's the leader of your party. and you are saying that party politics should not be put over that here. don't you think that means the leader should call on him to step aside? >> i think the speaker said in his statement that we need to put the institution above all else. and so, i think i would read between the lines, that george santos needs to go. and if he's unwilling to show a little bit of decency and dignity here, and resign, then he needs to be expelled. and i expect that when we get back from the thanksgiving recess, if he is still a member of congress, there will be a privileged resolution brought to the floor and he will be expelled. >> congressman mike lawler, that is something you have been saying for quite some time now. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, kaitlan. >> of course, in light of this damning new report, george santos does still represent more than 770,000 americans in the third district of new york. many of them had some thoughts on the allegations. >> he lied to everybody. >> we deserve better. >> we elected somebody we thought would be ethical. >> we need honesty. >> george santos? >> our cnn senior political analyst john avlon is here. john, i know how much you love history. here is a fun fact for you. if he is expelled as congressman lawler predicted his colleagues will expel george santos, hit with the only member in u.s. history to ever be expelled from congress who's not been convicted and court, who's not fighting in the confederacy. >> [laughter] we have got to put a finer point on that. my grandparents remember jim traficant very unfondly when that went down. i think the objections off to this point have been a precedent. but folks have to wait if this report. this report is damning and detailed as the indictment he has already faced. and it's just a pathetic and so tawdry. mike lawler, new york republican, wants him to resign with others because he's a stain on them. but what he calls for country over party, hundred percent. when he starts expecting anything resembling decency or integrity -- good luck. ain't gonna happen. >> i think when you look at this 55, 56-page report today, they included an exhibit where his campaign stuff, they knew there was something going on with. they created a vulnerability report where they basically had all of the reasons, questions they had. they urged him to resign or cost it out of the race. he didn't, the three of them resigned. so the signs were there. they weren't obvious, obviously -- >> they weren't, and that's because he had run previously and lost by a lot. people didn't think the race would be competitive -- questions were raised about his finances but we did know how bad it was. we just know it was based on a fraud -- and i think that larger step back is, this is partly a downstream effect of donald trump. if you're concerned about fraud, if you concerned about serially lying, then it's not just george santos. because it's frankly donald trump who turned shamelessness into a political superpower. who made people feel that land was somehow table stakes for politics. politicians should be held to a higher standard. it should be an honorable profession. those are the sentiments lawler was drawn for the argument for expulsion. but the larger culture enables this. maybe it will take us to remind people those attributes shot up tolerated. >> everyone deserves due process, but it's not just republicans. senator menendez is facing a bevy of indictment charges and his remaining in the congress -- >> equal justice under law. democrats have been calling on senator menendez to resign and not just from his home state, because that makes him look bad. republicans calling on santos to resign. that's returning to the politics we are seeing. people in parties are willing to police their own outliers. they are not willing to defend the indefensible simply because of the party label by their name. >> what happens if he doesn't resign and they need about 50 republicans, more than what voted most, time to actually expel him from congress. they're not there yet based on our numbers. we'll see if that happens after the break, but what happens if he doesn't get expelled and doesn't resign, he stays there? >> i think it will symbolize the stain on the congress. it would be a shame for the republican party. he'll be ostracized. he says he's not going to run for reelection again, unlike what he told our colleague manu raju weeks ago. the only reason to keep him in congress isn't a question of precedent. it's a question of whether republicans want to winnow their majority to an even thinner number. but that's not a good enough reason. they got to apply certain basic standards. not just about george santos. it's apply those standards more poorly. and if your problem is with, lined with fraud, with degrading the truth. and skimming off your donors and spending on these ridiculous details. apply those standards forward. >> john avlon. we know it would never do that. >> never. >> ahead, israel has released new images tonight to pick up its claims they say hamas has been using a major hospital as a command center. hamas is calling that a baseless lie. i should note, we are going to have the white house spokesperson john kirby here to break all that down next. also, he's been dead for more than a decade but why is osama bin laden going viral on tiktok? ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tonight, israel's military says it has proof of hamas tunnel infrastructure below gaza's largest hospital. this video you're seeing here was released by the idf, a day after they raided the al-shifa complex. at one point in the video, which i know it has been geolocated by cnn, it shows one of the hospitals main buildings about 100 feet away. a big area, big complex. i should note, cnn cannot verify the idf findings. we've been unable to get a comment from hospital authorities since this video was released. doctors and health officials in the hamas-run enclave have denied these accusations from israel. the idf sources, there are troops found large clusters of weapons and ammunition. they also announced they have recovered the body of an israeli hostage or the hospital. israel says hamas killed yehudit weiss, a 65-year-old grandmother. it's not clear how she died. we know she was kidnapped from kibbutz be'eri on october 7th. her husband was also killed. in that attack. also, israel's now pointed to these new details as it's physical pressure to provide evidence of hamas command center at that hospital. the united states says it has intelligence to back off the claim. and for more on that, i'm joined now by john kirby, white house national security council spokesman. admiral kirby, thank you for being here. does the u.s. plan to release any evidence that it has that the al-shifa was being used as a hamas command center, as you said? >> of any plans to speak to tonight with respect to release of our own intelligence. but i can't assert, as the president did yesterday, our own intelligence analysis does corroborate the claim hamas was using that hospital as a command and control about, possibly to store ammunition, other weapons, and of course as a potential temporary housing location for some of their fighters. >> but john, you know as well as i do, that there is skepticism over this. the u.s. says it has this intelligence. israel says it has this intelligence. but neither side is showing evidence of that intelligence and obviously people in thet u. s. have long been skeptical of claims about u.s. intelligence, at times. wouldn't it be helpful and important to build confidence in these assessments to show that evidence? >> the idf is the one. that they're releasing imagery, they're releasing video, and they are walking through the hospital and showing through camera coverage what they're finding. again, i don't have any plans to speak to you tonight about releasing any u.s. intelligence. but it is solid intelligence that hamas was using the hospital in that way. and it's right out of their playbook, kaitlan. virtually try to put civilians in harm's way by tunneling under their homes, headquartering in hospitals and schools. they deliberately try to use the people of gaza as human shields. so this is right out of their playbook. >> i should note, what israel has shown is part of a shaft and if shotguns and other things found in the hospital. not this sprawling complex they alleged it was when they showed the 3d mockup. but john, based on what the u.s. does know, do you believe that the raid on al-shifa hospital was justified? >> we know that this was a tough dilemma for the israelis, kaitlan. we know that hamas was using a hospital. we know there were command and control of your forces out of there, at least some of them. but we also know it's a hospital, a working hospital, with patients and medical staff. even young children. and it's a tough dilemma for the israeli forces. on the one hand, you want to be able to eliminate the very viable, very critical threat to your own country. on the other hand, this added burden of protecting people. and we've said, we don't want to see hospitals as firefight locations. we just want to see them as battlegrounds. it's a violation of the law of war, that hamas would headquarter itself inside a hospital. and again, it put that extra burden on the israeli forces to do so, in as precise and careful a way as possible. they have gone in on the ground. they have gone in small numbers. to try to be as careful as possible. but obviously, we're going to stay in touch with him and urge them, as much as we can, to be careful and deliberate. and to not place the patients and those medical staff in any greater harm's way than hamas has already put them. >> the idf said today, the body of a 65-year-old hostage , an israeli woman, was found near al-shifa in the complex. do you know, john, as any american hostages were being held there? >> no. we don't have any information to confirm that. we are still working very, very closely with the israelis, to get more information about were all the hostages are. i think we have to assume they are not all in one place. we know there are still a small number of americans, and we're doing everything we can to get more information. but i can confirm, they may have been held in al-shifa, but i don't know that. >> you are in san francisco with the president now, john. we have seen in recent days protest over president biden's refusal to call for a cease-fire. last night, the democratic national committee had to be evacuated. you saw the pro palestinian protesters outside. very tense clashes. have those protests moved president biden's position at all? >> first, we are very sorry that protest outside the dnc turned violent. our thoughts are with the officers who were injured and hope for a speedy recovery. peaceful protest is one thing. but when it turns violent, and somebody gets hurt, that's unacceptable. and we have been very clear about condemning that kind of activity. the president understands there is strong feelings here on all sides, with respect of what's going on between israel and hamas. but he also believes, and continues to believe, now is not the time for a cease-fire. a cease-fire would simply validate what hamas did on october 7th and it would give them breathing space and time. what we do support, and what we have talked to our israeli counterparts about, are a series of humanitarian pauses. you've seen yourself and reported on that. they have put into place regularized humanitarian pauses. they originally announced it for four hours, but that expanded by two or three hours to allow civilians to get out of north gaza through safe corridors. and many people of gaza are taking them up on that. that's a good important step forward, to help protect civilian life, to get those folks out of harm's way so they are not in the crossfire between hamas and the idf. >> and admiral kirby, obviously, you used to work at the pentagon. what 15 happen in recent days, they have been at least of this event attacks on u.s. forces by pro iranian militias since this war began. we have seen that u.s. carry out multiple propel her strikes. do you believe they're working? it doesn't appear they are, given these attacks are continuing. >> we'll keep doing what we have to do, kaitlin, to protect our troops in our facilities in iraq and syria. they're there for our counter-of mission, which is still a viable mission. they have come under attack. we'll continue to take the action we need to protect them and protect their ability to go after i. s. i. s.. and our message to the groups and the revolutionary guard corps supporting them is, you need to stop these attacks. they're unacceptable. and if you don't, there will be additional consequences for you. >> will that be anything different than what we've seen, given that deterrent strikes have not deterred the attacks so far? >> if the attacks continue, we will respond at a time and manner of our choosing. you have seen us in recent days go right at targets that were tied to the revolutionary guard corps, to their facilities, were they were training, headquartering. where they were storing ammunition and some of his rockets and other materials used by these militia groups. we will continue to hold the irgc and these proxy groups accountable, if they continue to attack our troops in iraq and syria. >> admiral john kirby, thanks as always. thank you for joining us here. >> good to be with you. >> up next, a cnn exclusive. the department of education now looking into reported incidents of antisemitism and islamophobia at seven schools here in the u.s.. the first such investigations we have seen happen since that october 7th terror attack in israel. the schools are separate across the country. they include one k-12 school in kansas, six colleges including cornell, columbia, and wellesley. at the conclusion of the investigation, we are told the department of education will note recommendations to those schools and if they are not followed, they could risk losing federal funding. also tonight, two decades after 9/11, osama bin laden's justification for the attacks has resurfaced on social media. with some young americans sympathizing with him. yes, really. we'll talk about this disturbing tiktok trend with the last western journalist to interview bin laden. he's here next. in order for small businesses to thrive, they need to be smart, efficient, savvy. making the most of every opportunity. that's why comcast business is introducing the small business bonus. for a limited time you can get up to a $1000 prepaid card with qualifying internet. yep, $1000. so switch to business internet from the company with the largest fastest reliable network and that powers more businesses than anyone else. learn how you can get $1000 back for your business today. comcast business. powering possibilities. >> videos online focusing on a letter written by osama bin laden have now racked up millions of views in just a matter of days. with dozens of them showing americans expressing sympathy for the al qaeda leader. yes, you have no. right sympathy. this is a letter published a year after the september 11th attacks by the terrorist who orchestred it. and it went viral on tiktok, with users embracing parts of his message. that message from bin laden, a broad critique of american foreign policy, defending 9/11, attempting to justify tiktok says videos promoting that later violate its rules against supporting any forms of terrorism. many of the posts have now been removed. we also had the white house weigh in on this, telling cnn the videos are an insult to the victims of the terror attacks. joining me now is the last western journalist to actually interview osama bin laden, cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. john, my question here is how does the intelligence community treat something like this? are they trying to figure out if these are bots? if it's a foreign government? if it's real? how do they look at the popularity of these videos? >> all of the above. they are trying to figure out, this drove very far and very fast. 48 hours ago, this unfolds with a tiktok influencer. she posts not reporting of somebody's reaction to that later. and that kind of the forest we see of it. but you want to kind of go back to, work is a digital crime scene? we are to this began? and how did it move that way? she has 175,000 followers. it gets 800,000 views. at gates 80,000 likes. which, when you're talking about that letter from bin laden justifying not 11, calling for the destruction of israel, the violent overthrow of united states the, and repeating a free antisemitic trope -- it's unusual to see that. but then it spreads, according to that new york times tonight, 14. 2 million views shared. so they're trying to figure, out is there something else behind it, driving this? the snowball downhill, it's like a big. or is it a bot? is it a.i.? a feature that caused it to move faster -- >> they all had pretty similar language. if you watched the videos, a lot of them who are young people. saying, i just discovered this and i can't believe what could say it and now it's changed my -- >> it changed my whole view of america and terrorism. it was, if they were going through a script. which is something they have to look at. which is, are they just playing off what the last person they viewed said and they're on original? or is it something more than that? >> the other part of this is that the platform itself, it's tiktok. they have long been accused of being a home to antisemitism and allow that to fester. they have pushed back on that. and when you look at the numbers here, one third of americans 18 through 20 get their news from tiktok and a lot of potential viewers of this weren't even born when 9/11 happened. >> i think i came to this, on social media, on the social phenomenon side, they to this is the complete lack of context by someone who's shown something and then told to join in the conversation and it's simply repeats what they've heard five seconds ago. not very sophisticated. but the other question is, what's the effect this is having? the intelligence community assessment today is, we are seeing this now being repeated on al-qaeda channels, saying osama bin laden's letter is now being seen by millions of americans who are finally understanding what this is about and what our brothers in hamas or going through. it's also, and this is the one that kind of knocked me back, it's also being the letter. it's been posted now in right wing violent extremist acceleration channels where antisemitism is their normal flavor, saying, this guy actually gets it. >> can we just talk about the person who wrote this letter? the idea that people are sympathizing with him. you are the last western journalist to actually interview osama bin laden. if any young tiktok users are watching, who saw this video, what would you say? how would you talk about that interview? how would you describe it? >> there are things in that letter that are thematic to the things he told me that night. in an al-qaeda base in 1998. he said, i predict a black day for america in which the states will no longer be united. he was encouraging revolution. he said, we beat a super power before, and the soviet union fell. he also said, and this is thematic to his letter. you will only understand this as a people when you find a government that represents your interests, instead of the jews. the antisemitic theme from osama bin laden started long before that world rediscovered this letter. but it's echoed in there. >> disturbing trend. john miller, thank you. >> thanks. >> ahead, it did not take long, only a few hours, after donald trump's gag order was lifted here in new york and he returned to social media attacking the very person he wawas barred f from attackcking. >> that didn't take long. tonight, online, donald trump is attacking the clerk of the judge overseeing his civil fraud trial here in new york. this time he won't face any repercussions, no fines, or reprimands from the judge here. that is because the judge is posting three and a half hours after the new york appeals court judge for the gag order that partaken president and his attorneys from bashing court staff. among other things, trump has called her a politically biased and out of control trump hating clerk. of course, i should note there is no evidence of that. the judge has steadfastly defended her as a public servant, just doing her job here. you'll recall he put this order in place after trump denigrated the course the first time. the judge then fined trump for breaking that order. then extended it to his attorneys. and then fined trump again for breaking it. the gag order is now lifted until at least november 27th, when a full panel of appeals court judges can hear the mentor. former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst jen rogers is here. what do you make of the fact that left of the gag order temporarily? is it the standard? >> it is. it doesn't mean much. you want to keep the status quo in place until judges can hear it on the merits and hear the status quo is nobody stopped from doing anything that may have a right to do. that's why they put a temporary pause on it and the judge will consider the merits and decide whether it holds up, or not. >> the trump argument has been, this violates his first amendment right. that's why this was even before a court. the judge, when he put this in place, said you can't protect me all you want but he was worried about the safety of his staff. this is his principal law clerk. and now, trump is free to attack her at will on social media. >> yeah. i mean, he doesn't really have elect to stand on, i don't think. the appeals court will uphold the gag order because he's still ree to say basically anything. it's a witch hunt, the a. g.'s after me, the judge's after me, the biden administration -- all this nonsense. as long as he doesn't identify the law clerk, that's the only thing he's prohibited from doing. so i think it will be in place after the judges consider it. the problem is, as you say, how many times will he attack her before that happens? >> there is a lot of time between now and then. something else i have a feeling, just a hunch that he'll also be posting about, is what we have learned tonight. president biden is not expected to be charged in the classified documents case. he had his own special counsel investigating documents he took after he left office. we are told, there is a final report expected to be issued in the coming months. it's going to be critical, potentially, of how he handled those documents. what do you make of how this is resolved if that reporting bears out? >> i think it's the right result. the justice department, merrick garland, appointed a republican u.s. attorney, appointed by trump, a special counsel in this case, robert hearst. you can't allege any bias there. well, he shouldn't. he has no basis for it. they took their time. they did a thorough investigation. and apparently they will be critical. and listen, were classified documents found in places that were unsecure. so there should be some criticism. but there is no basis for criminal charges. because at least from what we know, if this holds up in the report, no knowledge, no intent, full cooperation. in fact it was biden who brought it to the attention off the authorities and the first place. >> so different to trump. >> really opposite. in trump's case, knowledge, intent, he still says to this day he was entitled to have been. fought with the national archives for a month. had to have the search warrant executed by the fbi and then obstructed justice, allegedly, for trying to destroy evidence when it came to light. >> the other thing i want your take on -- an investigation into hunter biden and there is also a special counsel into that as well. and what we've learned exclusively here tonight, the special counsel is using a grand jury in california to compel documents requests, testimony, as well from potential witnesses. they've subpoenaed president biden's brother, jim biden. how significant of an escalation is that? >> this is bad news for hunter biden who's already facing charges on the gun charge, being in possession of a gun and delaware. they were supposed to have him play two misdemeanor tax charges and deliver, but that fell through. they're going after him again. you can't issue a grand jury subpoenas without a grand jury. obviously, they're looking into it and trying to build a felony case against him. they don't need indictment to file a misdemeanor, they could do that if they could. that suggests they're looking for something more. >> look way from the plea deal they came so close to striking. jennifer rodgers. as always, a lot of legal issues to break down, so thanks for doing that. meanwhile, as we talk about the 2024 race and what that looks like, trump is still far away the front-runner in that race. now someone is gaining on him in the first primary state of new hampshire. nikki haley is now in second place. what's behind that s surge? we'l'll discuss s with the t top polititical minds,s, next. >> former south carolina governor nikki haley has now secured a second place position behind donald trump in a key 2024 primary state. cnn's latest poll in new hampshire shows trump is still in the lead by margin, but hailie has climbed eight points since of number. in iowa, she is tied with florida governor ron desantis in second place at 16%, in her home state of south carolina she is the head of desantis, and again in that second place position behind donald trump. to top campaign veterans are here to break down the numbers with us. ashley ellison served as the national coalition director for the biden harris campaign. david herb in a former trump campaign advisor. david, you are the republican, here let me start with you. do you think these numbers show nikki haley is having a moment? >> look, she definitely has had some good debate performances, and in a world that is desperately looking for an alternative to donald trump, i think her star is on the rise, and yeah, she is having a moment. do i think that moment will translate into her wrestling with a nomination from donald trump? not a chance. >> what about the sense, david, that which every other republican this race has, that they are waiting in the wings of something happens to trump with his legal issues, or anything like that, that is a position for them? >> listen, i think she is -- this is the strategy. we have talked about this before. everybody is waiting for donald trump to falter. i think the only person that can beat donald trump is donald trump. you've seen the past couple days where he said some things that i would advise him not to be saying, not to be out there beating that drum. those are the kind of things that will cost him the presidency. i think if donald trump focused on the economy, the border, things people care about in their homes, not about political enemies list, i think he would be -- to the presidency. i think if he focuses on the wrong things however it will make it much more competitive race. so i think the folks like nikki haley, and governor christie you just had on and all the other folks down on the list, i think they're waiting for donald trump you stumble, and i think none of them could chip him he will stumble on his own. >> yes if only donald trump would talk about the economy and immigration more. i feel like i've heard that before, maybe from the last six years. i'm curious what you think -- i know, i'm just saying, it is like a movie we have seen before. when you look at these numbers, and you talk to new hampshire voters they don't seem that concerned about trump's electability. they seem to think he is electable. how does that square up with nikki haley's argument that if you look at the head to head matchups, she could actually beat joe biden based on where the polling is today? >> i think nikki haley is leaning into the concern by many americans that they are not looking forward to a donald trump and joe biden match but just to david's point about nikki haley and could she beat donald trump, i do not know if anyone is going to be able to catch up to donald trump. when i look at those numbers, if a chris christie or run desantis were to job out of that race, nikki haley gets a whole lot closer to donald trump than anybody has been in the last eight years. and it is time before it becomes really don't want him to be the nominee, to pick someone and one person only to consolidate behind, see if their voters will follow that individual. it is clear that a substantial amount of people are starting to go away from donald trump. we know 35% of his base in the republican party are not going to leave him, but it is seeming like some of those other folks who are staying in the race a little longer are ticking away, but they need to consolidate to have a chance. >> even, what do you make of that argument? do you think it would be helpful that she would be more competitive with trump if the other people got out of the race? >> i'm not quite sure that -- actually makes a good argument, it seems logical somebody gets out, those people would shift automatically to the next person up the line. but i'm not quite sure that is the case. i'm not quite sure folks want -- they might switch over to donald trump, who knows? that is the unknowable here. so until somebody decides to get out of the, race we won't know that fact to be true. and one fact we can add up the numbers on the other side and see, they beat trump? they don't. that is the vivek ramaswamy, chris christie got, ron desantis got, out you gave all those numbers to nikki haley, then though she somehow magically beat donald trump and i had to head contest? that is not the case. and i just don't think that will be the case moving forward whether it is not in the caucus states, but in new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, any of the early primary, states are don't think we will see that happen. >> this this change given you know this current white house so well, does this change any of their thinking because they had seem to resolve to the idea that if the nominee is likely potentially going to be donald trump, thus this shift that all? what do you think they are still preparing for a trump biden rematch? >> it shouldn't shifted. the reality is, whether it is donald trump or nikki haley, they still have very similar viewpoints, or understands, or chris christie, they are very similar viewpoints on issues people care about, particularly one we just saw on abortion. so i think the messaging of the democratic party should be very clear, we are the party that wants to protect freedom, we are the party that wants to improve the quality of life four people, middle class folks. we are the party that actually want to protect our democracy and one way to do that is protect our election, and acknowledge the winner of an election in 2020 which none of those folks, with the exception of chris christie has done. >> ashley -- david, go ahead. >> i was going to say quickly, do not forget, ashley has a little interparty scrum on her side of the aisle, right. >> we are talking about you. >> okay. last night outside the dnc, we saw some of that, i think it will play out in the future. >> but david, yes that it happened last night, but you can't compare that to january 6th. >> no, absolutely not. >> no, i'm not saying that to january six comparison, i'm just saying young people in the democratic party, there is a huge shift right now. you are seeing all these polls, and in president, you see people pulling away from the party. >> as, always thank you both. >> up next, a major league baseball team is now a major league baseball is making a major decision, a shift from something they have decided pulling out of the city a few years ago over a controversial law. we will tell you more ahead. you want to be able to provide your child with the tools or resources they need. with reliable internet at home, through the internet essentials program, the world opened up. fellas, fellas. that's how my son was able to find the hidden genius project. we wanted to give y'all the necessary skills to compete with the future. kevin's now part of this next generation of young people who feel they can thrive. ♪ ♪ >> major league baseball announcing the 2025 all-star game will return to atlanta two years after pulling the game from the state in response to the law, the voting law that governor brian kemp signed into place, something he noted today is still in place in the state of georgia. thank you so much for joining us, tonight cnn news night with abby phillip starts right now. >> a perfect storm of anger, and ignorance. that is tonight news night. good evening, i'm abby philip in washington. go to tiktok right now, and try searching letter to america, or wholesome letter, or a sum of bin laden, or bin laden letter, and you won't get any hits. but if you search those terms before midday yesterday, you would have