jury come the jury is different than them whether it's political - them whether it's political conviction— them whether it's political conviction or— them whether it's political conviction or racial- them whether it's political - conviction or racial composition, whatever— conviction or racial composition, whatever it _ conviction or racial composition, whatever it is _ conviction or racial composition, whatever it is. very _ conviction or racial composition, whatever it is. very very- conviction or racial composition, whatever it is. very very rarely. conviction or racial composition, | whatever it is. very very rarely is there _ whatever it is. very very rarely is there grounds— whatever it is. very very rarely is there grounds for— whatever it is. very very rarely is there grounds for overturning - whatever it is. very very rarely is there grounds for overturning a i there grounds for overturning a verdict — there grounds for overturning a verdict because _ there grounds for overturning a verdict because of— there grounds for overturning a verdict because of the - there grounds for overturning a . verdict because of the composition of the _ verdict because of the composition of the jury. — verdict because of the composition of the jury, unless _ verdict because of the composition of the jury, unless there _ verdict because of the composition of the jury, unless there was - verdict because of the composition of the jury, unless there was an i of the jury, unless there was an intentional— of the jury, unless there was an intentional weeding _ of the jury, unless there was an intentional weeding out - of the jury, unless there was an intentional weeding out of - of the jury, unless there was ani intentional weeding out ofjurors of the jury, unless there was an - intentional weeding out ofjurors on the part— intentional weeding out ofjurors on the part of— intentional weeding out ofjurors on the part of the _ intentional weeding out ofjurors on the part of the prosecution - intentional weeding out ofjurors on the part of the prosecution that - the part of the prosecution that violated — the part of the prosecution that violated new— the part of the prosecution that violated new york— the part of the prosecution that violated new york law - the part of the prosecution that violated new york law or- violated new york law or constitutional _ violated new york law or constitutional law. - violated new york law or constitutional law. i- violated new york law or| constitutional law. i have violated new york law or- constitutional law. i have not violated new york law or— constitutional law. i have not heard any credible — constitutional law. i have not heard any credible arguments, _ constitutional law. i have not heard any credible arguments, once - constitutional law. i have not heard. any credible arguments, once again, that's— any credible arguments, once again, that's a _ any credible arguments, once again, that's a fox — any credible arguments, once again, that's a fox news _ any credible arguments, once again, that's a fox news argument - any credible arguments, once again, that's a fox news argument but - that's a fox news argument but that's— that's a fox news argument but that's not— that's a fox news argument but that's not going _ that's a fox news argument but that's not going to _ that's a fox news argument but that's not going to apply - that's a fox news argument but. that's not going to apply anywhere in the _ that's not going to apply anywhere in the new— that's not going to apply anywhere in the new york _ that's not going to apply anywhere in the new york appellate - that's not going to apply anywhere in the new york appellate courts. i in the new york appellate courts. we're _ in the new york appellate courts. we're still— in the new york appellate courts. we're still looking _ in the new york appellate courts. we're still looking at _ in the new york appellate courts. we're still looking at the imagesl we're still looking at the images outside the courthouse, where expecting to see donald trump's convoy taking off at some moment, we saw him speaking in front of the courthouse a while ago, we are seeing images in front of the courthouse, we know a lot of people were gathered there today. if you're justjoining us, this historic moment, donald trump found guilty on all 3a counts of falsifying business records. we also have a us federal prosecutor as we're getting some analysis on the analysis, faith, if you can hear me, i would love to get your reaction to this verdict. i can your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you. — your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you, thank— your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you, thank you. _ your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you, thank you. it's - your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you, thank you. it's a - your reaction to this verdict. i can hear you, thank you. it's a sweeping verdict, of course, thejurors hear you, thank you. it's a sweeping verdict, of course, the jurors took enough time, a couple of days, and their decision doesn't reveal any inconsistencies whatsoever. i agree that there will be an appeal, this is a fairly novel set of charges. i don't see any particular grounds right now for the appeal of the jury, instructions were sweeping, they were thorough, they were fair, corroboration of michael cohen was required, but we know that you new york courts will be fair. harvey weinstein's conviction was just overturned in a situation where there was equally if not more public approbation of the defendant. so again, i expect there will be an appeal, i think it will be if it's a smart appeal, it will be on technical grounds challenging certain instructions that were given, certain evidence that was let in that didn't go directly to the charges but was so cold "other acts evidence". i don't see any other particular attack that the jury pool itself was unfair, given the time and attention and involvement of the lawyers on both sides injury selection. i should also say the trial teams on both sides were very competent, is not a situation where there would be ineffective assistance that could be raised by trump's team. assistance that could be raised by trump's team-— assistance that could be raised by trump's team. faith richards, keep it there, i want _ trump's team. faith richards, keep it there, i want to _ trump's team. faith richards, keep it there, i want to remind _ trump's team. faith richards, keep it there, i want to remind our- it there, i want to remind our viewers what's happening at the moment. donald trump guilty on all 34 moment. donald trump guilty on all 3a counts in on the criminal hush money chart while in new york. these are images outside the courthouse and we are getting reactions pouring in from republicans who are condemning this verdict and saying that it condemning this verdict and saying thatitis condemning this verdict and saying that it is a shameful day in america, and we do now have a statement from the biden harris campaign thati statement from the biden harris campaign that i want to read out, this is from the communications director michael tyler. " in new york today we saw no—one is above the law. donald trump has always mistakenly believed he would not face consequences for breaking the law for his own personal gain. but today's verdict does not change the fact that the american people face a simple reality — there is still only one way to keep donald trump out of the oval office at the about box, convicted felon or not trump will be the republican nominee for president. it goes on to say the threat to democracy has never been greater and he's running on an unhinged campaign on retribution. i'll start with you, rainer, if you would give us your statement on the biden harris campaign. i would give us your statement on the biden harris campaign.— biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate _ biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. _ biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. -- _ biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. -- to _ biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. -- to tie - biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. -- to tie in - biden harris campaign. i think it's unfortunate two. -- to tie in the l unfortunate two. —— to tie in the personal— unfortunate two. —— to tie in the personal election on the campaign. it's expected, or the system did what _ it's expected, or the system did what it— it's expected, or the system did what it did, and just leave it at that— what it did, and just leave it at that and — what it did, and just leave it at that and talk about the campaign at another— that and talk about the campaign at another time. that and talk about the campaign at anothertime. i that and talk about the campaign at another time. i think that unfortunately lends itself to the view that this was potentially political— view that this was potentially political in nature. it was certainly _ political in nature. it was certainly novel charges, there are questions — certainly novel charges, there are questions whether the law as it was interpreted to apply in this trial can even— interpreted to apply in this trial can even be used in the way that it was, _ can even be used in the way that it was, and _ can even be used in the way that it was, and thatjust, i think, can even be used in the way that it was, and thatjust, ithink, adds can even be used in the way that it was, and thatjust, i think, adds to that potential view. so hopefully, we can _ that potential view. so hopefully, we can somehow parse out the politics — we can somehow parse out the politics from the decision here and that statement, unfortunately, brings — that statement, unfortunately, brings both right back together. and can i 'ust brings both right back together. fific can ijust follow up on that, that's precisely what donald trump had not been doing the past six weeks, separating politics from the legal process. separating politics from the legal rocess. ~ �* , ., separating politics from the legal rocess. ~ �*, ., , , process. well, he's not president riaht now process. well, he's not president right now and _ process. well, he's not president right now and he _ process. well, he's not president right now and he is _ process. well, he's not president right now and he is the _ process. well, he's not president right now and he is the one - process. well, he's not president right now and he is the one who l process. well, he's not president. right now and he is the one who was the defendant so he's in a different position _ the defendant so he's in a different position. he literally fighting for his life — position. he literally fighting for his life during this trial because he could — his life during this trial because he could be put away for over 130 years _ he could be put away for over 130 years potentially in jail, he could be put away for over 130 years potentially injail, which would — years potentially injail, which would be _ years potentially injail, which would be obviously the rest of his life. would be obviously the rest of his life so _ would be obviously the rest of his life so he — would be obviously the rest of his life. so he could potentially be sentenced to die injail over this case _ sentenced to die injail over this case. unlikely to happen, but, you know, _ case. unlikely to happen, but, you know. it's — case. unlikely to happen, but, you know. it's up — case. unlikely to happen, but, you know, it's up to the judge what he's going _ know, it's up to the judge what he's going to _ know, it's up to the judge what he's going to do — know, it's up to the judge what he's going to do and what he's going to sentence _ going to do and what he's going to sentence him to. and at his age, sentencing — sentence him to. and at his age, sentencing him even to four years would _ sentencing him even to four years would potentially be, you know, problematic, for all kinds of reasons _ problematic, for all kinds of reasons. but as the president of the united _ reasons. but as the president of the united states who tried to separate himself— united states who tried to separate himself from the politics of this issue. — himself from the politics of this issue. to — himself from the politics of this issue, to then put out a statement directly— issue, to then put out a statement directly after the verdict has come out and _ directly after the verdict has come out and tie — directly after the verdict has come out and tie both together with, you have to _ out and tie both together with, you have to vote in november, it's very blatant _ have to vote in november, it's very blatant and — have to vote in november, it's very blatant and it... i think it would have _ blatant and it... i think it would have been— blatant and it... i think it would have been certainly much better overall— have been certainly much better overall for— have been certainly much better overall for the american people if it had _ overall for the american people if it had just — overall for the american people if it had just talked about, well, the system _ it had just talked about, well, the system has done what the system is meant _ system has done what the system is meant to— system has done what the system is meant to do and the jurors reached their verdict— meant to do and the jurors reached their verdict after how many weeks, and that's— their verdict after how many weeks, and that's it. — their verdict after how many weeks, and that's it, as opposed to tying it within — and that's it, as opposed to tying it within go — and that's it, as opposed to tying it within go vote in november. and, face, i it within go vote in november. and, face. i want — it within go vote in november. and, face. i want to _ it within go vote in november. and, face, i want to get _ it within go vote in november. and, face, i want to get your _ it within go vote in november. fific face, i want to get your opinion on it. , .. face, i want to get your opinion on it. he 'ust face the possibility of 'ail it. he just face the possibility of 'ail time. it. he just face the possibility of jailtime. absolutely. _ it. he just face the possibility of jailtime. absolutely. will- it. he just face the possibility of jail time. absolutely. will he . jail time. absolutely. will he actually serve a sentence? i think it's not clear at all what will happen. it is a sweeping verdict on thejudge will have happen. it is a sweeping verdict on the judge will have to take that into account. there are certain exacerbating factors that are not present here, he doesn't have a prior criminal conviction. he did not take the sand and you know, live. —— take the stand. there are extenuating circumstances, not known to be, some people would debate this but known to be a danger to the public. but yes, he will face the potential of an incarcerated tory sentence and i think the judge will give it serious consideration. it's also possible he could serve a split sentence, may be home confinement, other restrictions on his freedom. with regard to the president's statement today, this is a tragic day for the american people. to have the candidate of a major party be found guilty of incredibly unseemly acts is not a joyous moment for anyone. i would suggest, however, that the president would be remiss not to have commented and not to have commented on the meaning of this verdict. it have commented on the meaning of this verdict-— this verdict. it was indeed the campaign _ this verdict. it was indeed the campaign there _ this verdict. it was indeed the campaign there that - this verdict. it was indeed the campaign there that we - this verdict. it was indeed the campaign there that we heard commenting. i mention some of the republican reaction, i want to bring that in because we have heard from house speaker mikejohnson reacting house speaker mike johnson reacting to house speaker mikejohnson reacting to the verdict, saying,", today is a shameful day in american history. democrats cheered... richard, first, i want to get your reaction from what we heard from speakerjohnson there. reaction from what we heard from speakerjohnson there.— speakerjohnson there. well, this has all been _ speakerjohnson there. well, this has all been politcised _ speakerjohnson there. well, this has all been politcised by - speakerjohnson there. well, this i has all been politcised by everyone, i has all been politcised by everyone, i wish _ has all been politcised by everyone, i wish president _ has all been politcised by everyone, iwish president biden— has all been politcised by everyone, i wish president biden had - has all been politcised by everyone, iwish president biden had kept- has all been politcised by everyone, i wish president biden had kept a i i wish president biden had kept a lid on _ iwish president biden had kept a lid on it— i wish president biden had kept a lid on it and — i wish president biden had kept a lid on it and just _ i wish president biden had kept a lid on it and just not _ i wish president biden had kept a| lid on it and just not commented. i wish president biden had kept a i lid on it and just not commented. at the bush _ lid on it and just not commented. at the bush white _ lid on it and just not commented. at the bush white house _ lid on it and just not commented. at the bush white house we _ lid on it and just not commented. at the bush white house we didn't- the bush white house we didn't comment— the bush white house we didn't comment on— the bush white house we didn't comment on pending _ the bush white house we didn't comment on pending criminal. the bush white house we didn't- comment on pending criminal cases. and this _ comment on pending criminal cases. and this is _ comment on pending criminal cases. and this is snu— comment on pending criminal cases. and this is still a _ comment on pending criminal cases. and this is still a pending _ comment on pending criminal cases. and this is still a pending case, - and this is still a pending case, there's— and this is still a pending case, there's going _ and this is still a pending case, there's going to _ and this is still a pending case, there's going to be _ and this is still a pending case, there's going to be an - and this is still a pending case, there's going to be an appeal, i and this is still a pending case, j there's going to be an appeal, i don't _ there's going to be an appeal, i don't think the _ there's going to be an appeal, i don't think the appeal - there's going to be an appeal, i don't think the appeal will be . don't think the appeal will be successful— don't think the appeal will be successful but— don't think the appeal will be successful but i— don't think the appeal will be successful but i wish - don't think the appeal will be successful but i wish the - don't think the appeal will be - successful but i wish the president had not _ successful but i wish the president had not commented. _ successful but i wish the president had not commented. and - successful but i wish the president had not commented. and of- successful but i wish the president i had not commented. and of course, successful but i wish the president - had not commented. and of course, on the republican — had not commented. and of course, on the republican side, _ had not commented. and of course, on the republican side, particularly- had not commented. and of course, on the republican side, particularly if- the republican side, particularly if he's going — the republican side, particularly if he's going to _ the republican side, particularly if he's going to be _ the republican side, particularly if he's going to be their— the republican side, particularly if he's going to be their nominee i the republican side, particularly if. he's going to be their nominee they are going _ he's going to be their nominee they are going to— he's going to be their nominee they are going to rally— he's going to be their nominee they are going to rally to— he's going to be their nominee they are going to rally to his _ he's going to be their nominee they are going to rally to his defence. i. are going to rally to his defence. i urge _ are going to rally to his defence. i urge that the _ are going to rally to his defence. i urge that the republican - are going to rally to his defence. i urge that the republican party- are going to rally to his defence. i urge that the republican party to. urge that the republican party to find another _ urge that the republican party to find another nominee, _ urge that the republican party to find another nominee, they- urge that the republican party to find another nominee, they got. find another nominee, they got plenty— find another nominee, they got plenty of— find another nominee, they got plenty of very _ find another nominee, they got plenty of very good _ find another nominee, they got plenty of very good people - find another nominee, they got| plenty of very good people they could _ plenty of very good people they could run — plenty of very good people they could run for— plenty of very good people they could run for president - plenty of very good people they could run for president who - plenty of very good people they. could run for president who would stand _ could run for president who would stand a _ could run for president who would stand a very— could run for president who would stand a very good _ could run for president who would stand a very good chance - could run for president who would stand a very good chance of- could run for president who would . stand a very good chance of winning in november. — stand a very good chance of winning in november, but _ stand a very good chance of winning in november, but that's _ stand a very good chance of winning in november, but that's up- stand a very good chance of winning in november, but that's up to - stand a very good chance of winning in november, but that's up to the l in november, but that's up to the republican — in november, but that's up to the republican partv _ in november, but that's up to the republican party. i— in november, but that's up to the republican party. i doubt- in november, but that's up to the republican party. i doubt there's i republican party. i doubt there's going _ republican party. i doubt there's going to — republican party. i doubt there's going to be _ republican party. i doubt there's going to be jail— republican party. i doubt there's going to be jail time _ republican party. i doubt there's going to be jail time on - republican party. i doubt there's going to be jail time on this. - republican party. i doubt there's| going to be jail time on this. i've worked — going to be jail time on this. i've worked on — going to be jail time on this. i've worked on financial— going to be jail time on this. i've worked on financial crime - going to be jail time on this. i've . worked on financial crime litigation in new— worked on financial crime litigation in new york— worked on financial crime litigation in new york and _ worked on financial crime litigation in new york and have _ worked on financial crime litigation in new york and have studied - worked on financial crime litigation in new york and have studied it, . in new york and have studied it, i've in new york and have studied it, we written — in new york and have studied it, i've written about _ in new york and have studied it, i've written about it. _ in new york and have studied it, i've written about it. this - in new york and have studied it, i've written about it. this is- in new york and have studied it, i've written about it. this is not. i've written about it. this is not the kind — i've written about it. this is not the kind of— i've written about it. this is not the kind of conviction _ i've written about it. this is not the kind of conviction likely- i've written about it. this is not the kind of conviction likely to. the kind of conviction likely to lead _ the kind of conviction likely to lead to— the kind of conviction likely to lead to a _ the kind of conviction likely to lead to a prison _ the kind of conviction likely to lead to a prison sentence. - the kind of conviction likely to| lead to a prison sentence. the the kind of conviction likely to - lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion — lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion and _ lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion and could _ lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion and could send - lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion and could send him i lead to a prison sentence. the judge has discretion and could send him to prison. _ has discretion and could send him to prison. but— has discretion and could send him to prison. but i— has discretion and could send him to prison, but i think— has discretion and could send him to prison, but i think that's— has discretion and could send him to prison, but i think that's unlikely. i prison, but i think that's unlikely. in prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this _ prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this case — prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this case. we _ prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this case. we are _ prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this case. we are still- prison, but i think that's unlikely. in this case. we are still looking i in this case. we are still looking at those pictures from just outside the courthouse, we see the cars lined up there. we are expecting donald trump to leave the courthouse at some point in the near future. donald trump to leave the courthouse at some point in the nearfuture. we heard him speaking just a short while ago, he said this was a rigged trial, he said it was done by the biden administration to hurt a political opponent. he said we are nation in serious decline. some of the talking points we've heard from donald trump throughout the six weeks of course. images again from just outside the courthouse. we've now heard that after being convicted on all 3a counts of falsifying business records that the sentencing will take place onjuly ii. business records that the sentencing will take place onjuly 11. faith, what do you think of this and what will it look like? it what do you think of this and what will it look like?— will it look like? it has to take into account _ will it look like? it has to take into account the _ will it look like? it has to take into account the assessment i will it look like? it has to take - into account the assessment itself, that will_ into account the assessment itself, that will take some time. there will be full_ that will take some time. there will be full input by both sides, at sentencing there will be an opportunity to present mitigating circumstances and circumstances that require _ circumstances and circumstances that require enhancements of the sentence. there will be a discussion about, _ sentence. there will be a discussion about, as _ sentence. there will be a discussion about, as has been noted in the broadcast, _ about, as has been noted in the broadcast, whether or not these convictions are in the heartland of the offences, whether they are likely— the offences, whether they are likely to — the offences, whether they are likely to be turned over on appeal, all those _ likely to be turned over on appeal, all those things will be discussed in various— all those things will be discussed in various degrees of certainty. i agree _ in various degrees of certainty. i agree that — in various degrees of certainty. i agree that i think it is relatively unlikely— agree that i think it is relatively unlikely that there will be a lengthy and cursory tory sentence. i do think— lengthy and cursory tory sentence. i do think it's — lengthy and cursory tory sentence. i do think it's possible, there could be a do think it's possible, there could he a hybrid — do think it's possible, there could be a hybrid sentence or a briefjail sentehca — be a hybrid sentence or a briefjail sentehca i— be a hybrid sentence or a briefjail sentence. i think much of that will depend _ sentence. i think much of that will depend upon conduct between now and sentencing _ depend upon conduct between now and sentencing. there is a lot to be done _ sentencing. there is a lot to be done to— sentencing. there is a lot to be done to show an incarcerated tory sentence — done to show an incarcerated tory sentence is — done to show an incarcerated tory sentence is not required here. i�*m sentence is not required here. i'm 'ust sentence is not required here. just coming sentence is not required here. i“n just coming across my screen that we've seen a fundraising e—mail from the trump campaign, i'm a political prisoner, stan petrone, if you can afford to help me fight back at this pivotal moment, please donate. emory, what do you think this moment means for donald trump? this really has been the last six weeks, looking at this historical trial, donald trump has turned into a campaign stump for himself as well, as he stuck to the media regularly. how pivotal is this for him, do you think? �* , �* , . pivotal is this for him, do you think? �* , h . . _ think? i'm sure it's an incredibly stressful experience _ think? i'm sure it's an incredibly stressful experience because . think? i'm sure it's an incredibly stressful experience because as| stressful experience because as faith just meant —— stressful experience because as faithjust meant —— mentioned, what's going to happen to them? his life is literally in the hands of this judge as to what's going to happen to them potentially. so it's a very difficult position to be in. so i'm sure this is a very, very tough day for donald trump. as far as his campaign, he is still the republican nominee, so there is an election coming up in a couple of months. he has to try to make lemonade out of lemons so to speak. he has to try and make the best of it so it's not surprising that he sends out a missive to his supporters to try and raise money. and he's got to again continue to be the presidential nominee at this point. there isn't anyone else at the moment. we point. there isn't anyone else at the moment-— point. there isn't anyone else at the moment. . . , . the moment. we are seeing donald trump walk— the moment. we are seeing donald trump walk out _ the moment. we are seeing donald trump walk out the _ the moment. we are seeing donald trump walk out the of _ the moment. we are seeing donald trump walk out the of the - the moment. we are seeing donald l trump walk out the of the courthouse to his car, we are expecting a convoy to leave shortly, there he is of course donald trump surrounded by lawyers so we can't see exactly who he is talking with, he shaking hands with someone, i can't see, unfortunately, who exactly he was just shaking hands with but he's there with his entire group of lawyers and his team that has been on hand for this trial, entire trial as well. this is the manhattan criminal courthouse and this has become a regular occurrence. donald trump showing up in court every day and of course leaving after often speaking to the media and this has been going on for six weeks now, richard, as we are looking at these pictures. expecting the president and his convoy to leave shortly, just remind us again how unusual and how unprecedented this entire experience has been.- how unprecedented this entire experience has been. well, never before has _ experience has been. well, never before has a _ experience has been. well, never before has a former _ experience has been. well, never before has a former president - experience has been. well, never before has a former president of. experience has been. well, never i before has a former president of the united _ before has a former president of the united states— before has a former president of the united states been— before has a former president of the united states been convicted - before has a former president of the united states been convicted of- before has a former president of the united states been convicted of a i united states been convicted of a felony. and — united states been convicted of a felony, and never— united states been convicted of a felony, and never before - united states been convicted of a felony, and never before have - united states been convicted of a felony, and never before have we united states been convicted of a - felony, and never before have we had a candidate _ felony, and never before have we had a candidate for— felony, and never before have we had a candidate for president _ felony, and never before have we had a candidate for president of _ felony, and never before have we had a candidate for president of the - a candidate for president of the united — a candidate for president of the united states— a candidate for president of the united states that _ a candidate for president of the united states that has - a candidate for president of the united states that has been - united states that has been convicted _ united states that has been convicted of— united states that has been convicted of a _ united states that has been convicted of a felony. - united states that has been convicted of a felony. and l united states that has been convicted of a felony. and i| united states that has been - convicted of a felony. and i would remind _ convicted of a felony. and i would remind people _ convicted of a felony. and i would remind people that _ convicted of a felony. and i would remind people that this _ convicted of a felony. and i would remind people that this is very i convicted of a felony. and i would. remind people that this is very rare in other— remind people that this is very rare in other countries— remind people that this is very rare in other countries as _ remind people that this is very rare in other countries as well. - remind people that this is very rare in other countries as well. and - in other countries as well. and certainly— in other countries as well. and certainly among _ in other countries as well. and certainly among the _ in other countries as well. and certainly among the world's i in other countries as well. and . certainly among the world's major powers. _ certainly among the world's major powers. powers _ certainly among the world's major powers, powers that _ certainly among the world's major powers, powers that can - certainly among the world's major powers, powers that can cause . certainly among the world's major. powers, powers that can cause death and destruction— powers, powers that can cause death and destruction in— powers, powers that can cause death and destruction in the _ powers, powers that can cause death and destruction in the world - powers, powers that can cause death and destruction in the world and - and destruction in the world and wreak— and destruction in the world and wreak havoc, _ and destruction in the world and wreak havoc, we _ and destruction in the world and wreak havoc, we have _ and destruction in the world and wreak havoc, we have not - and destruction in the world and wreak havoc, we have not seeni and destruction in the world and i wreak havoc, we have not seen a convicted — wreak havoc, we have not seen a convicted felon _ wreak havoc, we have not seen a convicted felon elected _ wreak havoc, we have not seen a convicted felon elected or- wreak havoc, we have not seen a i convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed — convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed to — convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed to high _ convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed to high office _ convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed to high office since - convicted felon elected or chosen, appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, — appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, and _ appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, and that— appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, and that did - appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, and that did not - appointed to high office since 1933 in germany, and that did not end. in germany, and that did not end well _ in germany, and that did not end well the — in germany, and that did not end well. the united _ in germany, and that did not end well. the united states - in germany, and that did not end well. the united states needs. in germany, and that did not end well. the united states needs to| in germany, and that did not end - well. the united states needs to get very serious — well. the united states needs to get very serious thought _ well. the united states needs to get very serious thought about _ well. the united states needs to get very serious thought about whetherl very serious thought about whether donald _ very serious thought about whether donald trunrp — very serious thought about whether donald trunrp is _ very serious thought about whether donald trump is fit _ very serious thought about whether donald trump is fit for _ very serious thought about whether donald trump is fit for office - very serious thought about whether donald trump is fit for office and i donald trump is fit for office and once _ donald trump is fit for office and once again — donald trump is fit for office and once again i _ donald trump is fit for office and once again i urge _ donald trump is fit for office and once again i urge the _ donald trump is fit for office and once again i urge the republicanl once again i urge the republican party— once again i urge the republican party to— once again i urge the republican party to find _ once again i urge the republican party to find another— once again i urge the republican party to find another nominee . once again i urge the republicani party to find another nominee so we can have _ party to find another nominee so we can have a _ party to find another nominee so we can have a real— party to find another nominee so we can have a real election _ party to find another nominee so we can have a real election in _ party to find another nominee so we can have a real election in the - can have a real election in the fall, _ can have a real election in the fall, and — can have a real election in the fall, and not— can have a real election in the fall, and notjust _ can have a real election in the fall, and notjust hand - can have a real election in the fall, and notjust hand this - can have a real election in the fall, and notjust hand this to| fall, and notjust hand this tojoe biden _ fall, and not 'ust hand this to joe biden. �* p, fall, and not 'ust hand this to joe biden. . . _, fall, and not 'ust hand this to joe biden. . . , ., ., biden. and that convoy is now on the move, the biden. and that convoy is now on the move. the cars _ biden. and that convoy is now on the move, the cars are _ biden. and that convoy is now on the move, the cars are pulling _ biden. and that convoy is now on the move, the cars are pulling out - move, the cars are pulling out there. we anticipate members of his team and his lawyers were with him. we have seen many of his supporters show up over the last six weeks and his family members have been on hand. his sons, donjuniorand eric speaking to media, defending their father. we had asked that question, would donald trump testify? and, faith, in the end he decided not to, tell us more about this decision if you think it had any sort of impact. it's not supposed to of course, because no defendant has to of course testify. it’s because no defendant has to of course testify.— course testify. it's always incredibly _ course testify. it's always incredibly difficult - course testify. it's always incredibly difficult for - course testify. it's always incredibly difficult for a i course testify. it's always - incredibly difficult for a jury. .. incredibly difficult for a jury... repeatedly instructed that it has no effect, there can be no closing argument on that issue at all, but it is, i think argument on that issue at all, but it is, ithink it argument on that issue at all, but it is, i think it is quite difficult. in myjudgment, former president trump made a very smart decision not to take the stand. there were loads of documents, loads of witnesses, loads of statements he could have been cross—examined with both of you would have been faced with a difficult issue of the incredible —— committing perjury. it could have switched to sentence to a noncurrent incarcerated tory sentence to an incarcerated tory one. ~ p, , sentence to an incarcerated tory one. . . , one. we are seeing the convoy drivin: one. we are seeing the convoy driving on _ one. we are seeing the convoy driving on the _ one. we are seeing the convoy driving on the road _ one. we are seeing the convoy driving on the road and - one. we are seeing the convoy driving on the road and both i one. we are seeing the convoy i driving on the road and both sides of the road packed with people there, some of them ostensibly supporters, we can't exactly hear what's being said, but we see the convoy driving down and it's slowing down slightly but we see some people waving flags. one american flag i see, i can't see what the others are waving at the moment but here it is, after this historic moment seeing donald trump convicted on all 3a counts of falsifying business records. and as we are taking a look at this, ann—marie, take us through again what these 3a counts were and how the jury came to this. basically, it was one action but what they did was there was a separate account for each of the entries and checks and so on. so it was really the one payment to stormy daniels that was involved, but it was broken down into 3a counts. so it's not a surprise that they found that he was involved with the decision relating to the stormy daniels payment and the entry of the business records that they would then find that he was guilty for all of those. all of the 3a counts. but it makes sense the way the jury came to it. it would've actually been more problematic if they had just picked a couple of them out of the 34, picked a couple of them out of the 3a, so it's at least consistent. but they, you know, they took a look at all the evidence, certainly there were witnesses that testified and they made a decision that they believed michael cohen, the one that said donald trump was involved with the decision, as to how this would be recorded, they had to of made a decision that he was involved in that process even though he was already in the white house at the time that the business records were actually recorded. the jury must have found that he was involved with that decision. this have found that he was involved with that decision.— that decision. as we are watching this convoy _ that decision. as we are watching this convoy continue _ that decision. as we are watching this convoy continue in _ that decision. as we are watching i this convoy continue in manhattan, we do have are reporters that were inside the courtroom throughout the entire trial looking at some of the notes that they've been putting on our live page about that moment that donald trump was found guilty. our reporter kayla epstein wrote that after several moments of unbearable silence you for the court officers voice ring out and she asked the jury voice ring out and she asked the jury to read the verdict, and as the wave of verdicts washed over her donald trump him he did not flinch or react physically, and for those washing, kayla said it felt like the air had turned to stone. we could imagine that must�*ve been a dramatic moment. we see donald trump as my car as it striving here. we want to bring in mr williams, house select committee to investigate the generally sixth attack, great to have you back on bbc news. what do you make of all this? so have you back on bbc news. what do you make of all this? sal you make of all this? so i think it's a sombre _ you make of all this? so i think it's a sombre day, _ you make of all this? so i think it's a sombre day, but - you make of all this? so i think it's a sombre day, but i - you make of all this? so i think it's a sombre day, but i think i you make of all this? so i think. it's a sombre day, but i think it's a day— it's a sombre day, but i think it's a day that— it's a sombre day, but i think it's a day that also is historic for one main _ a day that also is historic for one main reason _ a day that also is historic for one main reason and that's accountability. former president trunrp _ accountability. former president trunrp has — accountability. former president trump has avoided accountability at all levels _ trump has avoided accountability at all levels throughout his time in public— all levels throughout his time in public life, and i think what this day shows— public life, and i think what this day shows is that no—one in america is above _ day shows is that no—one in america is above the — day shows is that no—one in america is above the law, not even a former president. — is above the law, not even a former president, and i think it is a day that— president, and i think it is a day that while — president, and i think it is a day that while it's not a day we wanted it's an _ that while it's not a day we wanted it's an important day because it's also relevant for the other three criminal— also relevant for the other three criminal cases that he's facing and ithink— criminal cases that he's facing and i think in— criminal cases that he's facing and i think in all— criminal cases that he's facing and i think in all these cases they have the same — i think in all these cases they have the same one common thread, and that is he is _ the same one common thread, and that is he is mr— the same one common thread, and that is he is mrand— the same one common thread, and that is he is mr and lied to the american people _ is he is mr and lied to the american people in— is he is mr and lied to the american people in a — is he is mr and lied to the american people in a variety of ways —— he misrepresented and lied to the american — misrepresented and lied to the american people. we misrepresented and lied to the american people.— misrepresented and lied to the american people. we are watching that convoy _ american people. we are watching that convoy continue _ american people. we are watching that convoy continue and - american people. we are watching that convoy continue and as - american people. we are watching that convoy continue and as you i that convoy continue and as you reference the other cases, we had one of these deja vu moments where we watch several arrangements earlier this year donald trump showing up at court and hear the first trial of course to actually take place and we have seen this historic conviction. mr williams, as we saw this play out in the last six weeks, getting the report of this, the defence again made the argument that these counts were based on testimony from someone who was a liar and they also of course called into question stormy daniels' character as well, she testified as well as we know. why do you think that wasn't effective in undermining the prosecution's argument? because what the prosecution _ the prosecution's argument? because what the prosecution focused - the prosecution's argument? because what the prosecution focused on - what the prosecution focused on again— what the prosecution focused on again and — what the prosecution focused on again and again his corroboration. they— again and again his corroboration. they didn't — again and again his corroboration. they didn'tjust rely again and again his corroboration. they didn't just rely on michael cohen, — they didn't just rely on michael cohen, they had multiple witnesses like david _ cohen, they had multiple witnesses like david becker who was the first prosecution witness who gave a narrative — prosecution witness who gave a narrative of this crime, of this conspiracv, _ narrative of this crime, of this conspiracy, and importantly they had documents — conspiracy, and importantly they had documents. we have to remember, this was a _ documents. we have to remember, this was a documents case, and what the prosecution — was a documents case, and what the prosecution had, again, with those two things — prosecution had, again, with those two things. testimony and documents, they all— two things. testimony and documents, they all corroborated with michael cohen _ they all corroborated with michael cohen. this was notjust cohen versus— cohen. this was notjust cohen versus trump, this was a confluence of factors— versus trump, this was a confluence of factors that arrived at this guiltvm _ of factors that arrived at this guilty... excuse me, this conviction. it was the right supported result here. we conviction. it was the right supported result here. conviction. it was the right su orted result here. ~ . supported result here. we are saying his motorcade _ supported result here. we are saying his motorcade still— supported result here. we are saying his motorcade still moving _ supported result here. we are saying his motorcade still moving along - supported result here. we are saying his motorcade still moving along the| his motorcade still moving along the road there, we don't know exactly where donald trump is heading, likely back to trump tower where he left from this morning, but mr williams, i want to go back to one point you made. you said nobody is above the law and that echoes the statement from the biden harris campaign that was released about ten minutes ago and the other panelists, richard and faith and ann marie, were talking about how it's perhaps regrettable that the biden campaign decided to comment on this verdict, what do you think that chris mark i would respectfully disagree. this is an historic day _ would respectfully disagree. this is an historic day and _ would respectfully disagree. this is an historic day and while _ would respectfully disagree. this is an historic day and while there - would respectfully disagree. this isj an historic day and while there may be political— an historic day and while there may be political implications, to me i think— be political implications, to me i think the — be political implications, to me i think the weighing in on something of this— think the weighing in on something of this nature to me as a citizen, i think— of this nature to me as a citizen, i think i'm — of this nature to me as a citizen, i think i'm 0k— of this nature to me as a citizen, i think i'm ok with. and that, with the president said should not be controversial. no—one is above the law, and _ controversial. no—one is above the law, and what makes the cases against — law, and what makes the cases against donald trump so important is that he _ against donald trump so important is that he again and again has openly told the _ that he again and again has openly told the american people that he is above _ told the american people that he is above the _ told the american people that he is above the law. and he will avoid accountability, and hisjudges will protect— accountability, and hisjudges will protect him. i think what this case is that, _ protect him. i think what this case is that, it — protect him. i think what this case is that, it has thrown all that back and said _ is that, it has thrown all that back and said that is not true. he had a jurv of— and said that is not true. he had a jurv of his — and said that is not true. he had a jury of his peers, he had 12 new yorkers, — jury of his peers, he had 12 new yorkers, everyday people, who came in, yorkers, everyday people, who came in. listened, — yorkers, everyday people, who came in, listened, took this seriously, took— in, listened, took this seriously, took weeks _ in, listened, took this seriously, took weeks away from their family, took weeks away from their family, took in _ took weeks away from their family, took in the — took weeks away from their family, took in the evidence and they took their oath— took in the evidence and they took their oath seriously. and i think that is— their oath seriously. and i think that is something to be celebrated. that everyone, and that includes people _ that everyone, and that includes people at — that everyone, and that includes people at the highest levels of our governments, are subject to our laws _ governments, are sub'ect to our laws. �* a governments, are sub'ect to our laws. . a, . , governments, are sub'ect to our laws. . �* , laws. ann-marie, as you're listening to what mr — laws. ann-marie, as you're listening to what mr williams _ laws. ann-marie, as you're listening to what mr williams said, _ laws. ann-marie, as you're listening to what mr williams said, you - laws. ann-marie, as you're listening to what mr williams said, you how. laws. ann-marie, as you're listening| to what mr williams said, you how to print different perspective on this. he not only called the verdict a disgrace he attacked the judge. we've seen him do that through the course of this trial but do you say anyissue course of this trial but do you say any issue with the way that the judge handled this case? i any issue with the way that the judge handled this case? i think there certainly _ judge handled this case? i think there certainly are _ judge handled this case? i think there certainly are issues - judge handled this case? i think there certainly are issues that i there certainly are issues that undoubtedly will also be brought up on the appeal. there were conflict issues that the judge had, there were some questions relating to the way the instructions were set out, he was very restrictive as to the testimony of costello. he did not allow him to say much. he sustained most if not all the objections and really curtailed his testimony. he didn't allow a campaign finance expert to testify on behalf of the defendant, and given that that was a huge part of this case, that potentially can be very problematic. so there are a lot of issues there. that certainly, undoubtedly will be brought up on appeal and he may well get the case reversed based on some of the actions and statements of the judge. and thejudge, by the of the actions and statements of the judge. and the judge, by the way, of the actions and statements of the judge. and thejudge, by the way, he did donate tojoe biden and he, you know, he does have a daughter who is very active in the democratic party and has apparently used this case in part for fundraising and so will on. there are some issues there and he was not picked out of a hat, he was chosen specifically for this case. it was not done just by putting it in a wheel and having a random judge picked for this. so there are definitely some questions there. and one of the issues that came up before as far as being in manhattan, when a defendant cannot get a fair jury, there is the potentialfor a change in venue, so that may also be. i don't know if they're going to raise that on appealed at this point, but that is certainly an issue and given that the large majority in new york would have voted against donald trump, there is a question relating to whether he could get a fair trial in new york or not. he could get a fair trial in new york or not. �* .. . , could get a fair trial in new york ornot. �* . , ., or not. he didn't actually say that at the very _ or not. he didn't actually say that at the very beginning _ or not. he didn't actually say that at the very beginning of - or not. he didn't actually say that at the very beginning of his - at the very beginning of his comments, he said he asked for a change of venue, that didn't happen. it was part of why he said he believed it was a rigged trial. a richer, coming back to you, this is going to be then, of course, a continuation going forward. take us through what the possible appeals process would look like. well. through what the possible appeals process would look like. well, there will be on appeal— process would look like. well, there will be on appeal and _ process would look like. well, there will be on appeal and a _ process would look like. well, there will be on appeal and a think - process would look like. well, there will be on appeal and a think it - will be on appeal and a think it appeal would _ will be on appeal and a think it appeal would focus— will be on appeal and a think it appeal would focus on - will be on appeal and a think it appeal would focus on jury - appeal would focus on jury instructions, _ appeal would focus on jury instructions, admissibilityl appeal would focus on jury i instructions, admissibility of evidence, _ instructions, admissibility of evidence, the _ instructions, admissibility of evidence, the usual- instructions, admissibility of evidence, the usual issues l instructions, admissibility of. evidence, the usual issues that instructions, admissibility of- evidence, the usual issues that come up evidence, the usual issues that come up in _ evidence, the usual issues that come up in an— evidence, the usual issues that come up in an criminal— evidence, the usual issues that come up in an criminal appeal. _ evidence, the usual issues that come up in an criminal appeal. and - evidence, the usual issues that come up in an criminal appeal. and i'm - up in an criminal appeal. and i'm sure— up in an criminal appeal. and i'm sure those— up in an criminal appeal. and i'm sure those issues _ up in an criminal appeal. and i'm sure those issues will— up in an criminal appeal. and i'm sure those issues will be - up in an criminal appeal. and i'm i sure those issues will be mitigated in front— sure those issues will be mitigated in front of— sure those issues will be mitigated in front of the _ sure those issues will be mitigated in front of the court. _ sure those issues will be mitigated in front of the court. —— _ sure those issues will be mitigated in front of the court. —— litigated i in front of the court. —— litigated in front of the court. —— litigated in front— in front of the court. —— litigated in front of— in front of the court. —— litigated in front of the _ in front of the court. —— litigated in front of the court. _ in front of the court. —— litigated in front of the court. this - in front of the court. —— litigated in front of the court. this will. in front of the court. —— litigatedl in front of the court. this will not be argued — in front of the court. this will not be argued in _ in front of the court. this will not be argued in front _ in front of the court. this will not be argued in front of— in front of the court. this will not be argued in front of the - in front of the court. this will not. be argued in front of the new york applet— be argued in front of the new york applet courts — be argued in front of the new york applet courts because _ be argued in front of the new york applet courts because it's - be argued in front of the new york applet courts because it's a - be argued in front of the new york applet courts because it's a joke. i applet courts because it's a joke. just because _ applet courts because it's a joke. just because the _ applet courts because it's a joke. just because the judge _ applet courts because it's a joke. just because the judge made - applet courts because it's a joke. just because the judge made a i just because the judge made a campaign _ just because the judge made a campaign contribution - just because the judge made a campaign contribution or- just because the judge made a campaign contribution or the i just because the judge made a - campaign contribution or the judge's daughter— campaign contribution or the judge's daughter is— campaign contribution or the judge's daughter is a — campaign contribution or the judge's daughter is a democrat, _ campaign contribution or the judge's daughter is a democrat, those - daughter is a democrat, those arguments— daughter is a democrat, those arguments won't— daughter is a democrat, those arguments won't go _ daughter is a democrat, those arguments won't go over. - daughter is a democrat, those i arguments won't go over. donald trump _ arguments won't go over. donald trump has — arguments won't go over. donald trump has a _ arguments won't go over. donald trump has a first— arguments won't go over. donald trump has a first amendment - arguments won't go over. donald i trump has a first amendment right arguments won't go over. donald - trump has a first amendment right to say whatever — trump has a first amendment right to say whatever he — trump has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants _ trump has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants about - trump has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants about the - say whatever he wants about the judge, _ say whatever he wants about the judge, i— say whatever he wants about the judge, iguess. _ say whatever he wants about the judge, i guess, that's— say whatever he wants about the judge, i guess, that's not- say whatever he wants about the - judge, i guess, that's not something that most— judge, i guess, that's not something that most defence _ judge, i guess, that's not something that most defence lawyers _ judge, i guess, that's not something that most defence lawyers would - that most defence lawyers would advise _ that most defence lawyers would advise to — that most defence lawyers would advise to start _ that most defence lawyers would advise to start bad _ that most defence lawyers would advise to start bad mouthing - that most defence lawyers would advise to start bad mouthing the| advise to start bad mouthing the judge _ advise to start bad mouthing the judge between— advise to start bad mouthing the judge between the _ advise to start bad mouthing the judge between the conviction - advise to start bad mouthing the judge between the conviction ini advise to start bad mouthing the i judge between the conviction in the sentencing — judge between the conviction in the sentencing but _ judge between the conviction in the sentencing but he's _ judge between the conviction in the sentencing but he's going _ judge between the conviction in the sentencing but he's going to - sentencing but he's going to do whatever— sentencing but he's going to do whatever he _ sentencing but he's going to do whatever he is _ sentencing but he's going to do whatever he is going _ sentencing but he's going to do whatever he is going to - sentencing but he's going to do whatever he is going to do. - sentencing but he's going to do whatever he is going to do. i'lli whatever he is going to do. i'll reiterate — whatever he is going to do. i'll reiterate that— whatever he is going to do. i'll reiterate that president - whatever he is going to do. i'll reiterate that president bidenl reiterate that president biden should — reiterate that president biden should not— reiterate that president biden should not have _ reiterate that president biden should not have made - reiterate that president biden . should not have made comments reiterate that president biden - should not have made comments on this. should not have made comments on this we _ should not have made comments on this we don't — should not have made comments on this. we don't need _ should not have made comments on this. we don't need his— should not have made comments on this. we don't need his input- should not have made comments on this. we don't need his input on- should not have made comments on this. we don't need his input on it, i this. we don't need his input on it, president _ this. we don't need his input on it, president biden— this. we don't need his input on it, president biden has— this. we don't need his input on it, president biden has a _ this. we don't need his input on it, president biden has a lot of work. this. we don't need his input on it, | president biden has a lot of work to do running — president biden has a lot of work to do running the _ president biden has a lot of work to do running the country— president biden has a lot of work to do running the country and - president biden has a lot of work to do running the country and that- president biden has a lot of work to do running the country and that is. do running the country and that is what _ do running the country and that is what he _ do running the country and that is what he should _ do running the country and that is what he should be _ do running the country and that is what he should be focusing - do running the country and that isi what he should be focusing on and that's— what he should be focusing on and that's with — what he should be focusing on and that's with the _ what he should be focusing on and that's with the biden _ what he should be focusing on and that's with the biden harris - that's with the biden harris campaign _ that's with the biden harris campaign needs— that's with the biden harris campaign needs to - that's with the biden harris campaign needs to focus i that's with the biden harris| campaign needs to focus on that's with the biden harris i campaign needs to focus on is that's with the biden harris - campaign needs to focus on is their track— campaign needs to focus on is their track record — campaign needs to focus on is their track record running _ campaign needs to focus on is their track record running this _ campaign needs to focus on is their track record running this country. i track record running this country. and president— track record running this country. and president biden _ track record running this country. and president biden did - track record running this country. and president biden did come . track record running this country. i and president biden did come very close _ and president biden did come very close to _ and president biden did come very close to himself— and president biden did come very close to himself getting _ and president biden did come very close to himself getting in - and president biden did come very close to himself getting in trouble i close to himself getting in trouble and getting — close to himself getting in trouble and getting indicted _ close to himself getting in trouble and getting indicted on— close to himself getting in trouble and getting indicted on the - and getting indicted on the classified _ and getting indicted on the classified documents- and getting indicted on the| classified documents cases. and getting indicted on the i classified documents cases. i and getting indicted on the - classified documents cases. i know president _ classified documents cases. i know president biden— classified documents cases. i know president biden was _ classified documents cases. i know president biden was not _ classified documents cases. i know president biden was not indicted i president biden was not indicted there. _ president biden was not indicted there. by— president biden was not indicted there. bvthe_ president biden was not indicted there, by the special— president biden was not indicted there, by the special counsel, i president biden was not indictedi there, by the special counsel, but president biden was not indicted i there, by the special counsel, but i think— there, by the special counsel, but i think it's _ there, by the special counsel, but i think it's just — there, by the special counsel, but i think it's just a _ there, by the special counsel, but i think it's just a good _ there, by the special counsel, but i think it'sjust a good idea _ there, by the special counsel, but i think it'sjust a good idea for- there, by the special counsel, but i think it'sjust a good idea for the i think it'sjust a good idea for the biden— think it'sjust a good idea for the biden administration— think it'sjust a good idea for the biden administration to - think it'sjust a good idea for the biden administration to stay - think it'sjust a good idea for the biden administration to stay out| think it'sjust a good idea for the i biden administration to stay out of this, not— biden administration to stay out of this, not comment _ biden administration to stay out of this, not comment on _ biden administration to stay out of this, not comment on it— biden administration to stay out of this, not comment on it and - biden administration to stay out of this, not comment on it and the i this, not comment on it and the biden— this, not comment on it and the biden harris— this, not comment on it and the biden harris campaign- this, not comment on it and the biden harris campaign not- this, not comment on it and the biden harris campaign not to i this, not comment on it and the - biden harris campaign not to comment on it and _ biden harris campaign not to comment on it and let _ biden harris campaign not to comment on it and let the — biden harris campaign not to comment on it and let the course _ biden harris campaign not to comment on it and let the course of— biden harris campaign not to comment on it and let the course ofjustice - on it and let the course ofjustice take _ on it and let the course ofjustice take its— on it and let the course ofjustice take its way, _ on it and let the course ofjustice take its way, this _ on it and let the course ofjustice take its way, this prosecution - on it and let the course ofjustice i take its way, this prosecution once again— take its way, this prosecution once again has— take its way, this prosecution once again has absolutely— take its way, this prosecution once again has absolutely nothing - take its way, this prosecution once again has absolutely nothing to - take its way, this prosecution once again has absolutely nothing to do| again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe _ again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe biden _ again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe biden. i— again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe biden. i don't— again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe biden. i don't care - again has absolutely nothing to do withjoe biden. i don't care what i withjoe biden. i don't care what donald _ withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump _ withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump says, _ withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump says, this - withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump says, this is - withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump says, this is not i withjoe biden. i don't care what donald trump says, this is not aj donald trump says, this is not a biden— donald trump says, this is not a biden prosecution, _ donald trump says, this is not a biden prosecution, this - donald trump says, this is not a biden prosecution, this is - donald trump says, this is not a biden prosecution, this is a - donald trump says, this is not a i biden prosecution, this is a state prosecution — biden prosecution, this is a state prosecution under— biden prosecution, this is a state prosecution under new— biden prosecution, this is a state prosecution under new york - biden prosecution, this is a state prosecution under new york law, biden prosecution, this is a state i prosecution under new york law, by the manhattan — prosecution under new york law, by the manhattan district _ prosecution under new york law, by the manhattan district attorney, - prosecution under new york law, by| the manhattan district attorney, and if you _ the manhattan district attorney, and if you don't— the manhattan district attorney, and if you don't want— the manhattan district attorney, and if you don't want to _ the manhattan district attorney, and if you don't want to be _ the manhattan district attorney, and if you don't want to be tried - if you don't want to be tried in front— if you don't want to be tried in front of— if you don't want to be tried in front of a _ if you don't want to be tried in front of a manhattanjury, - if you don't want to be tried in. front of a manhattanjury, don't commit — front of a manhattanjury, don't commit a — front of a manhattanjury, don't commit a crime _ front of a manhattanjury, don't commit a crime in _ front of a manhattanjury, don't commit a crime in manhattan. i front of a manhattan jury, don't i commit a crime in manhattan. run your business _ commit a crime in manhattan. run your business out _ commit a crime in manhattan. run your business out of— commit a crime in manhattan. run your business out of somewhere i commit a crime in manhattan. run i your business out of somewhere else and falsified — your business out of somewhere else and falsified the _ your business out of somewhere else and falsified the business _ your business out of somewhere else and falsified the business records- and falsified the business records are and _ and falsified the business records are and then _ and falsified the business records are and then you _ and falsified the business records are and then you can _ and falsified the business records are and then you can get - and falsified the business records are and then you can get a - and falsified the business records. are and then you can get a different 'ury. are and then you can get a different jury~ l”ll— are and then you can get a different 'u . �* , , are and then you can get a different jury. i'lljust put a final point on that, that _ jury. i'lljust put a final point on that, that was _ jury. i'lljust put a final point on that, that was of _ jury. i'lljust put a final point on that, that was of course - jury. i'lljust put a final point on that, that was of course a - jury. i'lljust put a final point on - that, that was of course a statement we read out from the biden harris campaign. we haven't heard specifically from the president himself or the vice president for that matter, but you are referring to the statement from the campaign as he said. the motorcade is still moving albeit slowly, it is rush—hour in manhattan see you can imagine it is not particularly easy to get back to trump tower but we see it at this point moving along there, snaking along the road in manhattan. we understand the back of the are writing on our live page that it's quite a scene there as well. you have hundreds of people who have gathered an masses of media covering what happened is as well, our reporter says she has never seen as many people in hand. this is to be expected, this is a historic moment, we knew that donald trump's supporters had been showing up for this trial and many of his opponents as well have been protesting outside the courthouse as well. but this is what were looking at right right now, a gridlock to manhattan from what we can see, donald trump's motorcade attempting to move along there and we are waiting to see, moving again, donald trump after being convicted on 3a counts of falsifying business records, on this historic day, we are watching the scenes live from manhattan. if you're just if you'rejustjoining us, we if you're justjoining us, we are if you'rejustjoining us, we are on breaking news— our special coverage continues with history being made in new york as donald trump becomes the first former us president to be convicted of criminal charges after a manhattanjury convicted of criminal charges after a manhattan jury found convicted of criminal charges after a manhattanjury found him guilty on all 3a counts in order to cover up an alleged affair that threatened to derail his 2016 campaign. mr trump will be sentenced onjuly the 11th. here's what he said at the manhattan criminal court. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial by- a conflicted judge who was corrupt this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. it's a rigged trial, a disgrace. they wouldn't give us a venue change. we were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict is going to be november 5th by the people and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. you have a suspect, da, and the whole thing.
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