been speaking. it secretary james cleverly has 'ust been speakingi secretary james cleverly has 'ust been speekinei secretary james cleverly has 'ust been speaking. it has been a huge nnrivilee been speaking. it has been a huge privilege to _ been speaking. it has been a huge privilege to serve _ been speaking. it has been a huge privilege to serve as _ been speaking. it has been a huge privilege to serve as foreign - privilege to serve as foreign secretary and in that time, i've worked very closely with my colleagues in the home office cracking down on illegal migration, reducing the number of small boat arrivals and now as a home secretary, i am absolutely committed to stopping the boats as we promised, but also making sure that everybody in the uk feel safe and secure going around, going about their daily business knowing that their daily business knowing that the government is here to protect them. so it is a fantasticjob and it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. fiend it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself— thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from _ thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from the _ thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from the rhetoric - distance yourself from the rhetoric of the previous home secretary? well, i intend to do thisjob in the way i feel best protects the british people and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, who has made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises to stop the boats, to protect the british people, make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. 50 sure everybody feels secure in their lives. ,, ., sure everybody feels secure in their lives. , ., ., _, lives. so there you have it come in a statement _ lives. so there you have it come in a statement from _ lives. so there you have it come in a statement from the _ lives. so there you have it come in a statement from the new- lives. so there you have it come in a statement from the new home l a statement from the new home secretary, james cleverly, speaking outside his new place of work. of course, the home office is not too far from where i course, the home office is not too farfrom where i am standing. but the real headline news i think in westminster today is the return of david cameron to the government. he is now the new foreign secretary. we saw him not too long ago leaving his old home, numberio, crossing the road and going over to the foreign office. i will read some of the statement he issued after that appointment was announced. and i should say of course, he was not an mp and he wasn't in parliament so he has been appointed a lord as well is becoming foreign secretary. lord cameron in his statement said he wanted to help rishi sunak deliver the security and prosperity our country needs and be part of the strongest possible team that serves the united kingdom. he went on to say that, i know from my time in office that the foreign office is staffed by brilliant unpatriotic and hard—working people, they have been well led byjames hard—working people, they have been well led by james cleverly, hard—working people, they have been well led byjames cleverly, with whom i look forward to working in his vital new role. mr cameron went on to say it will be an honour to serve our country alongside our dedicated f cto staff and provide the continued leadership and support that they deserve. i think we can now cross to ann widdecombe, who was a former conservative minister under john major. thank you forjoining us here in the bbc. it has been a very busy morning here in downing street, what do you make of it? well, of course the appointment of david cameron has swept suella braverman away from the front pages, so to sweep —— so to speak, taking away the focus that would have been on her and her sacking and focused on the cameron appointment so from that point of view, it is quite clever. beyond that, i think rishi sunak has now stored up trouble for himself. we know what david cameron believes in. we know he is a passionate remainer. and i don't think that the large section of the tory party will be terribly happy at what has happened. i think he would have been cleverer to have balanced it out a bit more. �* ., ., i. cleverer to have balanced it out a bit more. �* ., ., , ., ~' bit more. and what do you think the reaction will — bit more. and what do you think the reaction will be _ bit more. and what do you think the reaction will be to _ bit more. and what do you think the reaction will be to the _ bit more. and what do you think the reaction will be to the sacking - bit more. and what do you think the reaction will be to the sacking of- reaction will be to the sacking of suella braverman by her supporters in the conservative party? filth. suella braverman by her supporters in the conservative party?— in the conservative party? oh, it is anoin to in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause _ in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a — in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a lot _ in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a lot of _ in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a lot of anger. - in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a lot of anger. i - in the conservative party? oh, it is going to cause a lot of anger. i can| going to cause a lot of anger. i can think of lots of reasons. king suella braverman. principally that she never once delivered on her policies. stop the boats. nothing happened. —— lots of reasons for sacking. i can think of lots of reasons for losing confidence, but not that excellent article as far as i'm concerned that she wrote about the police which reflected the police —— the beliefs of so many people whose reaction would have been, thank heaven somebody in government has said it at last. so i think her supporters are going to be very angry and they certainly won't be nullified by the arrival of cameron. be nullified by the arrival of cameron-— be nullified by the arrival of cameron. �* ,, ~ ., be nullified by the arrival of cameron. �* ~ ., ., . cameron. and you think that article was a good — cameron. and you think that article was a good idea, _ cameron. and you think that article was a good idea, but _ cameron. and you think that article was a good idea, but there - cameron. and you think that article was a good idea, but there were . cameron. and you think that article i was a good idea, but there were many including a london �*s metropolitan police, who were really incensed by it. �* , ,., . it. i'm sure the police were incensed — it. i'm sure the police were incensed by _ it. i'm sure the police were incensed by it _ it. i'm sure the police were incensed by it because - it. i'm sure the police were incensed by it because it i it. i'm sure the police were l incensed by it because it was it. i'm sure the police were - incensed by it because it was a very critical article of the police. but i think they fully deserved what she was saying stop yes, you can argue about some of the phraseology, but thatis about some of the phraseology, but that is not the point. the essence of what she was saying was i believe right. and it doesn't sound as if downing street were rejecting the entire article, they were requiring some rephrasing in places, which means they must have approved the rest of the article. so i don't have a problem with it. i think it is time to challenge the police, really time to challenge the police, really time to challenge them. theirjob is not to police causes, theirjob is to keep us all safe. fiend not to police causes, their “0b is to keep us all safe.�* not to police causes, their “0b is to keep us all safe. and what do you make about — to keep us all safe. and what do you make about the _ to keep us all safe. and what do you make about the return _ to keep us all safe. and what do you make about the return of— to keep us all safe. and what do you make about the return of david - make about the return of david cameron, did you ever expect to see him back in a big governmentjob? no, and as i say, it is all very fine that he has managed now to take the votes away from suella braverman, but i don't think he is the best choice as foreign secretary and also, if you look at the statement he has issued if you really can bear to read it all because it goes on and on and on, it is all about himself and how wonderful he is. in fact, he made a terrible mess of the eu referendum, including the negotiations with europe that preceded it. yet this is the man who is now in charge of the foreign office. i have got very serious doubts. all i can say is that i am very glad that i found the courage to leave the conservative party when i did because i would certainly be leaving now. find party when i did because i would certainly be leaving now. and you of course have — certainly be leaving now. and you of course have served _ certainly be leaving now. and you of course have served in _ certainly be leaving now. and you of course have served in the _ certainly be leaving now. and you of course have served in the foreign i course have served in the foreign office and the home office, i should say, pardon me, before. what advice would you be giving to james cleverly right now? i would you be giving to james cleverly right now?— would you be giving to james cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much _ cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, _ cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i _ cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think- cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he - cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is i cleverly right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is al needs much advise, i think he is a sharp individual. he handled his previous brief very well under extremely difficult circumstances. so i don't think he needs advice. but the crucial thing i would say is the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust the nation is waiting for delivery. don't just tell as you the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust tell as you are going to stop the boats suella has been telling us that the years, just do it. focus on delivery. == telling us that the years, 'ust do it. focus on delivery._ telling us that the years, 'ust do it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what — it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do _ it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do you _ it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do you think— it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do you think in _ it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do you think in terms - it. focus on delivery. -- for years. and what do you think in terms of| and what do you think in terms of these appointments as we go into what is effectively the starting gun for next year's general election? well, i mean, that is what this reshuffle is about. it is about the team that is going to take us into the general election. but what we are going to have now is the fallout over the next few days, the ball out of sacking suella, the fallout of appointing david cameron because there will be quite a big fallout in one section of the party and rishi is going to have to deal with that. and that is going to be the real test. the test is not the appointments he is making this morning, the test will be how he deals with the fallout and i think it will be quite a big one. damn it will be quite a big one. ann widdecombe, _ it will be quite a big one. ann widdecombe, former home secretary, thank you very much forjoining us here on bbc news. thank you very much for “oining us here on bbc news._ here on bbc news. shadow home secreta . here on bbc news. shadow home secretary. shadow, _ here on bbc news. shadow home secretary. shadow, yes. - here on bbc news. shadow home secretary. shadow, yes. i- here on bbc news. shadow home secretary. shadow, yes. i am - here on bbc news. shadow home i secretary. shadow, yes. i amjoined secretary. shadow, yes. i am “oined b a secretary. shadow, yes. i am “oined by a political — secretary. shadow, yes. i am “oined by a political correspondent h secretary. shadow, yes. i amjoined by a political correspondent of- secretary. shadow, yes. i amjoined by a political correspondent of the l by a political correspondent of the new statesman. thank you forjoining us. it has been a really busy morning here, ithink us. it has been a really busy morning here, i think the main headline we have been discussing is of course the return to the government of david cameron. what do you think where the calculations behind that move by the prime minister? , ., behind that move by the prime minister? , ~ ~ ., minister? yes, i think we know the prime minister _ minister? yes, i think we know the prime minister had _ minister? yes, i think we know the prime minister had an _ minister? yes, i think we know the prime minister had an extremely i prime minister had an extremely difficult weekend with his home secretary after the protests. and of course, herarticle secretary after the protests. and of course, her article in the times which brought in to scrutiny the relationship between the prime minister and the home secretary, whether or not he was able to sign off her article and whether she implemented changes that number 10 had asked her to do. so there is a real challenge to his authority there. the prime minister really had no choice but to reshuffle his cabinet, he was beginning to look weak in the face of the home secretary. we now know he has moved james cleverly, the former foreign secretary into the role as home secretary into the role as home secretary and the thing that nobody expected, moving former prime minister david cameron back into the role. and there's a number of reasons why this could be a politically savvy move from sunak. one of the reasons is david cameron was a very popular prime minister at the time. he has a poll in the blue wool, one of the areas the conservative seem to be losing a bit of support. but that is where the benefit stop. some of the things that might impact sunak is the question of why he couldn't find anyone else in his team of mps to fulfil this role as foreign secretary. we also know that david cameron campaigned to remain in the eu, that is antithetical to the current attitude towards the eu in the conservative government. and we also note that david cameron has been quite busy working to lobby for chinese interests in the indo—pacific, which again is sort of in contrast to the conservative foreign policy at the minute, which is very hawkish in china. so it is a very interesting role, i think it is attempting to bring back some of those voters who may previously have voted for david cameron and have now departed from the conservative base because they don't like the direction the conservatives have been travelling in. but it does really draw a few questions to the mind of the voters, which it is there no new talent in the conservative party that could have taken on this role? and for our prime minister marketing himself as a change from the past 13 years, bringing back an old prime minister to have such a senior role in his government really raises the question as to whether the conservatives have anything new to offer. ., , ,, ., ~ ., offer. now, rishi sunak might argue that this is a — offer. now, rishi sunak might argue that this is a move _ offer. now, rishi sunak might argue that this is a move that _ offer. now, rishi sunak might argue that this is a move that could - offer. now, rishi sunak might argue that this is a move that could unite l that this is a move that could unite his party ahead of an election. yes. his party ahead of an election. yes, absolutely. — his party ahead of an election. yes, absolutely, david _ his party ahead of an election. 1a: absolutely, david cameron still his party ahead of an election. 12: absolutely, david cameron still has some sway with those votes in the blue wall. and he is a fairly popularfigure in the party blue wall. and he is a fairly popular figure in the party who blue wall. and he is a fairly popularfigure in the party who is seen as a fairly successful prime minister in the support he managed to drum up for the conservatives. but the conservative party has changed and evolved over the last few years. there is a reason suella braverman was quite so influential in sunak�*s cabinet and that is in part because the right of the conservative party has been very loud and powerful. so, yes, david cameron definitely has a sway for some of those in the more moderate part of the party. but whether he is enough to unite what is currently a very divided conservative party and one that is not likely —— that is likely to become only more divided as the autumn statement raises its head next week and we see pressure on sunak to implement tax cuts is the real question. bind on sunak to implement tax cuts is the real question.— on sunak to implement tax cuts is the real question. and we had that statement now _ the real question. and we had that statement now from _ the real question. and we had that statement now from james - the real question. and we had that i statement now from james cleverly, he was speaking earlier outside his new office, the home office. he said that he is committed to stopping the boats. we had former shadow home secretary ann widdecombe on just now. she seemed unsatisfied that that hasn't actually happened yet. do you think there will be any change of course for mr cleverley to see through on this government promise? it see through on this government nromise? , :, see through on this government nromise? , ., , . ., promise? it is a difficult one, isn't it? it — promise? it is a difficult one, isn't it? it is _ promise? it is a difficult one, isn't it? it is one _ promise? it is a difficult one, isn't it? it is one of _ promise? it is a difficult one, isn't it? it is one of sunak's l promise? it is a difficult one, i isn't it? it is one of sunak's five pledges and is incredibly difficult to implement. you can't actually stop the boats from taking place. what needs to be done is to limit them. but we have seen that has been an incredibly difficult challenge for the home secretary and the prime minister and there are much broader issues at play in the home office come across the channel, causing these dangerous migrant crossings to take place. it is a lot of pressure on james cleverly and there take place. it is a lot of pressure onjames cleverly and there was discussion earlier as to whether he would want to take this breed. in many ways, the home secretary is a poisoned chalice, it is incredibly complex and difficult department, it takes in policing, immigration and many other very complex issues that no home secretary has really been able to solve. plus, the home office is an incredibly complex department with lots of institutional and structural difficulties. so it is a big job for cleverly. he has been quite successful as foreign secretary, he seen as a potential leadership candidate for the more moderate side of the party. —— he is seen. but it is an incredibly difficult position for him to be in and it may well be that this is a job he has taken through gritted teeth in order to show support for his prime minister.— teeth in order to show support for his prime minister. thank you very much for sharing _ his prime minister. thank you very much for sharing your _ his prime minister. thank you very much for sharing your insights - his prime minister. thank you very| much for sharing your insights with us on this very busy day here in westminster, zoe. we are getting political reaction across the spectrum on today's news and we have heard from the snp's westminster deputy leader mhairi black, who said, the fact that rishi sunak has had to resurrect david cameron shows how tired this tory government is. and it goes on to say, people in scotland will be appalled that the architect of 13 years of tory austerity, cuts and the disastrous brexit referendum is back in government. i'm stilljoined by my colleague ione wells, our political correspondent. perhaps no surprise that the snp is criticising the return of david cameron. bring our viewers up today, the reactions from other political parties to that news and the other moves in today's reshuffle?_ and the other moves in today's reshuffle? ., , ., reshuffle? the appointment of david cameron, i think _ reshuffle? the appointment of david cameron, i think the _ reshuffle? the appointment of david cameron, i think the first _ reshuffle? the appointment of david cameron, i think the first reaction i cameron, i think the first reaction has been surprise. people were not expecting this to happen. as you say, opposition parties have been critical of the move. the snp, but labour have also been emphasising that if rishi sunak is serious as it claims to be about offering change, they argue that that can't be the case if he is bringing back a former prime minister. somebody who was in power back in 2010 at the start of this latest iteration of conservative rule that has now been in place for the last 13 years. there has been a lot of positive reaction to his appointment from some within the conservative party, high—profile figures including the former prime minister theresa may welcoming this appointment, figures like matt hancock former home secretary as well praising david cameron and his return to government, from outside political life. one of the things driving a lot of the surprise around this has been that david cameron is not somebody who has been particularly active compared to other former prime ministers. we know that theresa may, liz truss still active as mp5, john major and tony blair have all made significant interventions from outside of political life. david cameron wasn't necessarily somebody who was doing a lot of that. we didn't hear him out and about on the airwaves talking to the media a lot at the time, so i think that is certainly why this has taken people by surprise. he is not really somebody we often hear from in politics, well, we now will do. and of course, his return to politics has included him being conferred a lordship again, he is lord david cameron now.- conferred a lordship again, he is lord david cameron now. that's right and art of lord david cameron now. that's right and part of the _ lord david cameron now. that's right and part of the reason _ lord david cameron now. that's right and part of the reason for— lord david cameron now. that's right and part of the reason for this - lord david cameron now. that's right and part of the reason for this is i and part of the reason for this is it's important for ministers to be able to be accountable to other politicians so that they can stand up politicians so that they can stand up at the dispatch boxes and be asked questions and grilled on the latest policies. he will be sitting in the house of lords rather than the house of commons as an mp, which some mps may not be particularly happy about if they not —— they don't see him in and around the chamber is much as if the foreign secretary was an mp. part of the reason is so he can take up that position as foreign secretary and still be accountable to parliament. some may argue this also gives him potentially more space to focus on a big brief ahead. because mps, as well as carrying out their ministerial roles if they are ministers, have a general election to think about next year, where they all individually will think about keeping their seats as well. find all individually will think about keeping their seats as well. and how do ou keeping their seats as well. and how do you think — keeping their seats as well. and how do you think these _ keeping their seats as well. and how do you think these moves _ keeping their seats as well. and how do you think these moves today i keeping their seats as well. and how do you think these moves today may j do you think these moves today may impact the conservative strategy, if at all, head of that election? i at all, head of that election? 1 think what is really at all, head of that election? i think what is really interesting about it is it gives a sense of where rishi sunak potentially thinks electoral success may lie. because he has sacked one of his highest profile figures on the right of the party, suella braverman, somebody whose rhetoric, whose policy positions have angered some in the more centrist wing of the conservative party in recent months and years. the fact he has sacked her and appointed someone who is still very much a conservative, is still very much a conservative, is still right of centre, but i think seen as less right—wing then suella braverman suggests rishi sunak potentially thinks that is a direction of travel the party may need to go in if it is to win back support, win back its positions in the polls. at the moment, consistently now four months and months and months, the labour party have outflanked the conservatives. keir starmer has outflanked rishi sunak quite considerably in opinion polls and that may be behind some of the thinking of rishi sunak hear about potentially toning down some of the more right—wing rhetoric we saw from suella braverman and bringing in figures that are seen at the other end of the conservative spectrum from her. that being said, this potentially won't go down critically well with some within the conservative party itself. some on the right of the party and we have already had conservative peers are very critical of rishi sunak and the current government in the past and this comes as no surprise, but tory peer has been very damning of the sacking of suella braverman, calling it a coup and saying the remain camp of the brexit referendum campaign has now won. 5m? of the brexit referendum campaign has now won-— has now won. stay with us. let's remind you _ has now won. stay with us. let's remind you of— has now won. stay with us. let's remind you of the _ has now won. stay with us. let's remind you of the statement i has now won. stay with us. let's remind you of the statement we | has now won. stay with us. let's i remind you of the statement we got from suella braverman this morning after she was sacked. it was an incredibly brief statement. her first words after she was sacked were, it has been the greatest privilege of my life to serve as home secretary. i will have more to say in due course. there is lots of speculation, this will definitely not be the end of her political career. she has ambitions for the topjob, she had a lot of support amongst the tory rank and file and indeed, amongst a number of conservative mps, and she represents a certain wing on the more right of the party which may feel that they don't have a voice at the main top table now that she has left cabinet. my table now that she has left cabinet. my colleague helen catt has this report looking back on the political career of suella braverman. she's the daughter of migrants who put taking a tough line on immigration at the centre of her agenda as home secretary. suella braverman inherited the government's flagship policy of sending illegal arrivals to rwanda, but it's one she wholeheartedly embraced. she was also a leading voice pushing for curbs on all migration and was prepared to say bluntly what she believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect, simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection. originally given the job of home secretary by liz truss, six weeks later, ms braverman was out of the picture. she'd broken the ministerial code by e—mailing a document to someone who shouldn't have seen it and she resigned. when the new prime minister rishi sunak reappointed herjust a week later, it was controversial. was his home secretary right to resign last week for a breach of security? the home secretary made an error ofjudgment, i but she recognised that, she raised the matter- and she accepted her mistake. ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party, but there were increasing concerns about her choice of language. the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping rough in tents was sometimes a "lifestyle choice". suella fernandes. it was in 2015 that ms braverman, then suella fernandes, first entered the commons. a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version of the withdrawal agreement. but laterjoined the cabinet as borisjohnson's attorney general. and in 2021, she became the first cabinet minister to take maternity leave, after a change in the law was rushed through to allow it. she never hid her ambition, though, for the topjob. asked if she would run for leader here before her boss had actually resigned. i'll be straight with you, robert, yes, iwill. in the resulting contest, she came sixth, but suspicions swirled that her punchy style was, in part, about setting the ground for another run. it's the guardian—reading, tofu—eating, wokerati, dare i say, the anti—growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, that she'll do it quietly. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. it is or was a busy morning in downing street and we have gone from a morning political movements to a young football team who are on the steps for a visit to downing street. of steps for a visit to downing street. of course, there is a new team at the top now. we have a new foreign secretary, david cameron, of course, former tish prime minister and for many, his arrival this morning to downing street was a big surprise to many —— british. it came out of the blue. and we saw him leave the steps of number 10, his former home, cross the road, over to the foreign office. he is now foreign secretary. and that is because he is replacing james cleverly, who moves from the foreign office to the home office. so some big moves at the top here which were all prompted and triggered by the sacking of suella braverman, who was home secretary. i am joined of course here in downing street by our political correspondent ione wells. lets of course remember what triggered all of this, which was of course the sacking of suella braverman. suella braverman was a controversial home secretary. she made the headlines on a number of occasions, there had been pressure on rishi sunak before to let her go. why did it happen now? :, �* , to let her go. why did it happen now? ., �* , ., to let her go. why did it happen now? ., �*, ., ,., now? that's right. for some time, whether it — now? that's right. for some time, whether it is _ now? that's right. for some time, whether it is through _ now? that's right. for some time, whether it is through her - now? that's right. for some time, whether it is through her rhetoric i whether it is through her rhetoric or her policy positions on certain issues, she has deviated i think from the sort of core government line, what rishi sunak had been saying when he was asked about certain issues. in terms of this particular trigger, certain issues. in terms of this particulartrigger, it already started last week when she wrote a pretty explosive article for the times newspaper, where she was incredibly damning of policing. she claimed police were biased and they didn't treat pro—palestinian protesters the same way that they treated other protesters, particularly those of the right—wing movements as well. in the article, she used to some very strong language, accusing pro—palestinian protesters of being mobs and also certainly using critical language of the police themselves. she later in the police themselves. she later in the weekend after 48 hours of silence did row back from that slightly, praising the police for their efforts in policing protests that took place over the weekend. remember, we saw clashes between police and some of the far—right protesters that turned up. we also saw criticism from the government of some of the protesters who had been on the day she had been on the pro—palestinian march, accused of anti—semitism in some of the posters and placards that were used. so there was criticism i think when it came to suella braverman whether her language and some of her rhetoric had inflamed tensions between communities at a time when opposition parties said the home secretary should be trying to bring people together. interestingly, the new home secretary james cleverly was asked about whether he would align himself or distance himself from the rhetoric of suella braverman, he chose not to really answer that question directly and said his focus will be on stopping the boats, crossing the channel, and keeping people safe. so clearly not keen to be drawn on that front. i think what will be a really interesting test coming up forjames cleverly is when we get that ruling on whether or not the government has not planned to send some asylum seekers to rwanda, what will his position and his response be? both him and the new foreign secretary david cameron, not people who seem particular inclines to campaign to leave the european convention on human rights. if that legal ruling rules against the government and they are told they cannot go ahead with their plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda, there may be increased pressure both from some within the tory party, some members and voters of the conservatives but also some essentially within their parliamentary party and tory mps to campaign to leave the echr. that is not something that either the new home secretary james cleverly or the new foreign secretary david cameron seem particularly inclined to do. could that be the first possible crack in this new cabinet? i could that be the first possible crack in this new cabinet? i think that is very _ crack in this new cabinet? i think that is very likely _ crack in this new cabinet? i think that is very likely come - crack in this new cabinet? i think that is very likely come could i crack in this new cabinet? i think that is very likely come could be | that is very likely come could be the first cabinet split, conservative split of this new iteration of rishi sunak's government. we are expecting that ruling this week. depending which way it goes, it could be that the government's plan may go ahead, it could be that they are told it can't. i think the response to that by the new home secretary and foreign secretary will be key. if it doesn't go in the government's favour, they may well face a lot of pressure to leave that european convention on human rights. that was something which suella braverman made no secret about wanting. she had made her view on that very clear and said that, said that she was certainly critical of the echr and the impact it had had on her rwanda policy. now she is on the backbenches, i think it will be really interesting to see where her and her supporters go now. as somebody who isn't a government any more, she is able to be much more vocally critical of the without facing potentially any repercussions. {iii facing potentially any repercussions. facing potentially any re-ercussions. , ., repercussions. of course, there have been other reshuffles _ repercussions. of course, there have been other reshuffles going - repercussions. of course, there have been other reshuffles going on i repercussions. of course, there have been other reshuffles going on away| been other reshuffles going on away from the great offices of state and we have just heard that in the last few minutes, ministerjessye norman has quit his role in the department for transport. has quit his role in the department fortransport. he has quit his role in the department for transport. he says he gave his notice to the government whip several months ago was that it has been a great honour to serve in successive governments since 2016, thank you, he says, to rishi sunak for the calm, focused on long—term leadership you have given the country over the past year. so other movements going on. is this likely to be the last major reshuffle before next yea r�*s to be the last major reshuffle before next year's general election which is expected may be next october also?— which is expected may be next october also? ., , . ., , ., october also? that is certainly more movement going — october also? that is certainly more movement going on. _ october also? that is certainly more movement going on. interesting i october also? that is certainly more| movement going on. interesting that jesse norman a bit like the schools minister nick gibb pre—emptively getting their statements out there saying that they have asked to step down. and i think that is because the prime minister has now left downing street and he is over in parliament, that can only really mean one thing, that he is now on to some sackings because they tend to take place in parliament in a more discreet manner, rather than making people walk up downing street to then get sacked. as to your question is this the last reshuffle before the last election? we don't know, it is proving extensive, some big moves, two of the biggest positions in cabinet have changed hands this morning. it isn't necessarily going to be the last one, though. and part of that may also depend on when rishi sunak decides to call a general election. does he decide to call one in the spring? in which case, there are only a few more months to go. or does he decide to wait it out and crack on with his agenda and take as much time as he can to do some of the policies he wants to do? in which case, you may well leave it until next autumn or winter before he decides to hold an election. if that is the case, that does leave still potentially more time for further tweaking of his top team. certainly, this has been significant enough that i don't think it would be potentially unlikely he would move these two big positions again before the next election given it has already caused pretty big shock waves in westminster to bring back somebody like david cameron, i don't think thatis like david cameron, i don't think that is a kind of movie do expecting to move again in a couple of months'