and now on bbc one, it's time for the news where you are. from the ten team — goodnight. she holds one of the most senior offices of state, but has suella braverman sealed herfate by defying downing street and accusing the police of bias. the police of bias? we have an exclusive interview with the minister for london who says we need to lower the temperature. is suella braverman�*s position tenable? well, ithink, you know, i just say to every minister and every political leader we have to just use our language carefully, and we have to make sure that we concentrate on dampening things down, rather than fuelling that sort of hatred, and that division. we'll be joined by the former conservative attorney general dominic grieve, and the historian and political commentator tim stanley. also tonight. in gaza, israel agrees to daily four hour pauses in their fight with hamas to ensure palestinians can get food and supplies, and travel to the south without fear ofan airstrike. meanwhile, on the west bank, israeli settlers�* clashes with palestinians have intensified. we'll ask the deputy spokesman for the us state department if he can guarantee american made guns will not find their way into the hands of west bank settlers. and in view of the metropolitan police commissioner's decision to stand firm and allow saturdays pro—palestinian march in london to go ahead, we'll be speaking to one of the organisers, and a representative of the campaign against anti—semitism who wants it banned. good evening. suella braverman has had a rocky road as home secretary, but her self—penned times newspaper salvo at the met, unsanctioned by rishi sunak, could see her tipped over the edge and out of the cabinet. there is certainly febrile specuation among political journalists that she may become the victim of a reshuffle. her first stint as home secretary, appointed by liz truss, came to a short sharp end when she resigned over a breach of the ministerial code, only to be reinstated by new pm rishi sunak. so since then, has he given herfree rein to say and do what he couldn't, to keep his right flank close? except now, has she inflamed an already difficult situation, accusing the met of "playing favourites," being guilty of "double standards," repeating her allegation that pro—palestinian marches are hate marches and making an assertion that these marches are of the kind we are more likely to see in northern ireland? nick is here with the latest. has this been build being a head of steam today?— has this been build being a head of steam toda ? , . ., steam today? very much so and there a stron: steam today? very much so and there a strong belief— steam today? very much so and there a strong belief that _ steam today? very much so and there a strong belief that goes _ steam today? very much so and there a strong belief that goes from - steam today? very much so and there a strong belief that goes from the - a strong belief that goes from the backbenches, right up to cabinet that rishi sunak should fire suella braverman. i was talking to one grandee and this person told me that the home secretary's behaviour has been crass because it undermines the prime minister, but it is counter productive because we have gone from talking about labour division to talking about labour division to talking about labour division to talking about conservatives, so i was talking to one ally of the home secretary and saying what is this about, is she trying to get herself sacked. they said to me for suella braverman, a commitment to profound beliefs comes before calculation, and there have been discussions in her circle and they go like this, unless the archbishop, the guardian, the bbc and most of the men they yacht are up in arms about suella braverman, she is not doing herjob properly, so is rishi sunak going to sack her? we know about rishi sunak, he moves with great caution, so he would want to see that she has broken procedures, if he is going to sack he also, the prime minister owes suella braverman, it was her support for him last year, that eased her path into number ten and one former cabinet minister on the right said if suella braverman is sacked, there will be 60 supporters on the backbenches agitating for her and potentially writing those letters of no confidence in rishi sunak because this person said rishi sunak because this person said rishi sunak is 23 points behind in opinion polls, so look, another difficult day for the prime minister, thanks to a home secretary who does rather regularly give him headaches. an uneasy partnership born in the febrile days when the conservatives chopped and changed their leaders. a lack of warmth apparent earlier this week, and now, rishi sunak is facing calls to sack suella braverman, after she defied his authority. an unprecedented attack on the police by the home secretary, who ignored some of number ten's requests for changes to that article. that raises the prospect of an investigation under the ministerial code. 0n the face of it, a clear breach. the code says that all major announcements, speeches, press releases and new policy initiatives should be cleared in draft with number ten. but friends believe there is some wriggle room in the code. it talks of clearing the policy content, not, they say, opinions about that. the code also says articles should be agreed with number ten. does thatjust mean agreement for the principles of the piece? and then the code says ministers must abide by collective government policy, which friends say she did on the policy content. but many tory mps, including ministers, were alarmed by the home secretary's intervention. is suella braverman�*s position tenable? well, ithink, you know, i would say to every minister, and every political leader, we've got to just use our language carefully, and we've got make sure that we concentrate on dampening things down, rather than fuelling that sort of hatred and that division. is that what she has been doing, fuelling that hatred and division? well, that is what i was saying. it is not for my position to call upon people's jobs. i'm just saying as leaders we have to be really careful about our tone. others were supportive of suella braverman�*s unease about a pro—palestinian march on armistice day. the met have operational responsibility, i'm not inferring in that, but i am begging, and i use that word advisedly, begging them, for the sake of those servicemen, ex—servicemen and the public, who hold this as a sacred day, think again, because the threat is the damage to that day. we don't need protests on that day. this is a monumentally difficult moment for rishi sunak, a cabinet minister openly challenging his authority, and conservative mps lining up to tell the chief whip suella braverman must be fired. and one of the prime minister's closest allies told me the home secretary is completely out of control, she has got to go. but the prime minister is moving with caution. it shouldn't be forgotten that his path to number ten was eased last year by the support of suella braverman. he will face increasingly sharp questions about how he can possibly allow suella braverman to remain in his cabinet, because there is a principle of cabinet collective responsibility, if you are in the cabinet, you are not a backbencher, you don't go off freelancing, you stick to the government line. there is scope within that to have people expressing different views on different things, but actively defying downing street's orders is something else all together. this is not the first time this week, in the last couple of weeks, that we have seen other members of the cabinet have to go out on the media round and distance themselves from comments suella braverman has made, whether that be about law and order now, whether that be about homelessness and rough sleeping a week ago. a conservative commentator is supportive of the home secretary. well, i mean i have disagreed with suella braverman, the home secretary's stances on various things in the past. i think in this case, this article that has caused so much consternation was extremely balanced and it teased things out in a fair way, there were serious issues at stake. so my view is she is absolutely bang on, she is absolutely right to question whether these so—called pro—palestinian marches fall within the law, and whether they don't pose legitimate threats to public order. a day of pageantry, as parliament celebrates an old tradition, but little sign of celebration among the cabinet's awkward duo. joining me now is former conservative attorney general dominic grieve and historian and telegraph columnist tim stanley. backbenches agitating for her and potentially writing those letters good evening to you both, dominic grieve, we should say you are form irchair of the security committee, has suella braverman in your view made her own position untenable? it looks to me to be untenable because she has done two things, firstly she has carried out an attack on the independence of the police. and they are independent, they must be allowed to enforce the law without fear or favour, allowed to enforce the law without fear orfavour, it is not for allowed to enforce the law without fear or favour, it is not for her publiclitor, attack the police in this fashion, and it gives the impression she wishes to control the police decision making, and that in a free and democratic society is unacceptable. that is herfirst thing, then, on the face of it she has created chaos within government. because it is quite apparent that there are large number of fellow ministers who disagree with what she is saying, the government's collective line which is essential for the properfunctioning is being torn apart. for the proper functioning is being torn a art. �* ., for the proper functioning is being torn aart. �* ., , ., torn apart. but, two things about that. isn't the — torn apart. but, two things about that. isn't the home _ torn apart. but, two things about that. isn't the home secretary i torn apart. but, two things about| that. isn't the home secretary the very person who should be making clear her concerns about the police and also, in a street, isn't it right that she should be allowed to criticise the police? she right that she should be allowed to criticise the police?— criticise the police? she has a criticism of _ criticise the police? she has a criticism of the _ criticise the police? she has a criticism of the police, - criticise the police? she has a criticism of the police, or- criticise the police? she has a criticism of the police, or a i criticism of the police, or a concern about it she can see the chief commissioner of police privately and express it privately, thatis privately and express it privately, that is a completely different thing from taking a tub thumping exercise, where she denounces the police, and the police'sjudgement and where she denounces the police, and the police's judgement and then where she denounces the police, and the police'sjudgement and then puts the police'sjudgement and then puts the police'sjudgement and then puts the police under pressure to do her bidding. tim the police under pressure to do her biddinu. ,, . y the police under pressure to do her biddinu. ,, ., , ., i. bidding. tim stanley, do you recognise — bidding. tim stanley, do you recognise the _ bidding. tim stanley, do you recognise the description - bidding. tim stanley, do you recognise the description ofl bidding. tim stanley, do you i recognise the description of tub thumping? recognise the description of tub thumin: ? ~ ., ,, ., thumping? oh, i think that suella braverman _ thumping? oh, i think that suella braverman is _ thumping? oh, i think that suella braverman is a _ thumping? oh, i think that suella braverman is a convection - braverman is a convection politician, and i think sunak would be a fool_ politician, and i think sunak would be a fool to — politician, and i think sunak would be a fool to get rid of her for three — be a fool to get rid of her for three reasons one i have read and reread _ three reasons one i have read and reread the — three reasons one i have read and reread the letter and i don't think it is that — reread the letter and i don't think it is that controversial, i don't agree — it is that controversial, i don't agree with _ it is that controversial, i don't agree with it. but according to one poll about— agree with it. but according to one poll about 50% of public think the marches— poll about 50% of public think the marches should be stopped. she probably— marches should be stopped. she probably reflects the opinion of at hoff people and jewish londoners who feel intimidated. it would be odd if we were _ feel intimidated. it would be odd if we were to — feel intimidated. it would be odd if we were to say politicians can't criticise — we were to say politicians can't criticise the police because they -et criticise the police because they get things wrong, they treat some demonstrators differently, in the 2021 sarah everard protest the police — 2021 sarah everard protest the police were criticised for their mishandling and two of the women arrested _ mishandling and two of the women arrested were paid compensation and apologised to. if suella braverman goes. _ apologised to. if suella braverman goes. he _ apologised to. if suella braverman goes, he will be kicking out, an eloquent — goes, he will be kicking out, an eloquent representative of the party's — eloquent representative of the party's right, at a time when the party— party's right, at a time when the party has — party's right, at a time when the party has very little to offer its grass — party has very little to offer its grass root, the state is bigger than ever, _ grass root, the state is bigger than ever. taxes— grass root, the state is bigger than ever, taxes are as high as they have been _ ever, taxes are as high as they have been and _ ever, taxes are as high as they have been and legal and illegal immigration is going out of control. if you _ immigration is going out of control. if you drop— immigration is going out of control. if you drop her you are cutting off the grass— if you drop her you are cutting off the grass roots to spite your face and that— the grass roots to spite your face and that would be a big mistakes. but if_ and that would be a big mistakes. but if the — and that would be a big mistakes. but if the home secretary says there is a superb shaun that senior police officers is play favourites, when it comes to protesters and she goes on to talk about during covid, why were lockdown objectives given no quarter yet black lives matter, officers took the knee? the perception, it is hers that senior police officers that play favourite, now that is a really damning indict only testify police, made by the home secretary. isn't that fundamentally damaging to the ability of police to police fairly? the ability of police to police fairl ? �* , ., ., the ability of police to police fairl? ., ., fairly? but is a home secretary not su osed fairly? but is a home secretary not sunposed to _ fairly? but is a home secretary not sunposed to say — fairly? but is a home secretary not supposed to say something - fairly? but is a home secretary not supposed to say something when l fairly? but is a home secretary not i supposed to say something when she sees something is being done wrong? a lot of— sees something is being done wrong? a lot of voters would recognise her description, the word perception is interesting, we talk about perception a lot when we talk about racism _ perception a lot when we talk about racism and — perception a lot when we talk about racism and rightly so but i is not about— racism and rightly so but i is not about what _ racism and rightly so but i is not about what i intend by my remarks but how _ about what i intend by my remarks but how they are perceived. a lot of jewish— but how they are perceived. a lot of jewish people perceive these marches to be hate _ jewish people perceive these marches to be hate marches. i don't think that to be hate marches. idon't think that is— to be hate marches. i don't think that is entirely accurate. i have attended — that is entirely accurate. i have attended one to see what they are like, attended one to see what they are like. i_ attended one to see what they are like, i would say the majority are not hate — like, i would say the majority are not hate filled. i strongly disagree with that — not hate filled. i strongly disagree with that but it is correct there, is a perception these marches are intimidating tojewish is a perception these marches are intimidating to jewish people just as there — intimidating to jewish people just as there is a perception the police favour— as there is a perception the police favour some groups over others and it would _ favour some groups over others and it would be — favour some groups over others and it would be remis a home secretary not to— it would be remis a home secretary not to tell— it would be remis a home secretary not to tell the police you are losing — not to tell the police you are losing the confidence of the public, by your— losing the confidence of the public, by your perceived inability or worse refusal _ by your perceived inability or worse refusal to _ by your perceived inability or worse refusal to act.— refusal to act. dominic grieve. we understand _ refusal to act. dominic grieve. we understand from _ refusal to act. dominic grieve. we understand from downing - refusal to act. dominic grieve. we understand from downing street, | refusal to act. dominic grieve. we - understand from downing street, that there were a number of edits required for suella braverman to make, because these things have to be passed through downing street and indeed passed through rishi sunak, she did not make those edits. is that a, not everyone tacit is that a challenge? to number ten? it’s a challenge? to number ten? it's a challenae challenge? to number ten? it's a challenge to _ challenge? to number ten? it's a challenge to number _ challenge? to number ten? it's a challenge to number ten - challenge? to number ten? it�*s a. challenge to number ten because the prime minister can either roll over and accept it, or he can decide that thatis and accept it, or he can decide that that is a breach of collective responsibility, and bring her tenure in office to an end. and she is, her misconduct is really very grave. i disagree with tim about this point, 90% of the population might dislike these demonstrations, but if they are lawful, she has a duty to allow them to take place in a country which is free and where people are entitled to freedom of expression, i accept they are controversial, i accept they are controversial, i accept there are aspects of them i don't like at all, and i certainly accept that there are some people participating who appear to be breaking the criminal law and should be brought tojustice, if breaking the criminal law and should be brought to justice, if the breaking the criminal law and should be brought tojustice, if the police view is that these can be carried out peacefully with no significant public disorder, what she is doing is undermining some absolutely basic tenets of freedom of expression in this country, and she is, cannot and must not be allowed to do it. from that point of view she is very dangerous. that point of view she is very dangerous-— that point of view she is very dancerous. ., , , , dangerous. you say she is very dangerous. _ dangerous. you say she is very dangerous, has _ dangerous. you say she is very dangerous, has she _ dangerous. you say she is very dangerous, has she broken - dangerous. you say she is very j dangerous, has she broken the ministerial code, if she has what happens? if ministerial code, if she has what ha--ens? , ministerial code, if she has what ha ens? , ., , ministerial code, if she has what ha ens? , , happens? if she has broken the code, that is a matter _ happens? if she has broken the code, that is a matter for _ happens? if she has broken the code, that is a matter for the _ happens? if she has broken the code, that is a matter for the prime - that is a matter for the prime minister, she should be sacked, because otherwise the prime minister's authority is shot to pieces. minister's authority is shot to ieces. ., ., ,., . minister's authority is shot to ieces. ., ., . , pieces. you heard dominic grieve there tim stanley, _ pieces. you heard dominic grieve there tim stanley, saying - pieces. you heard dominic grieve there tim stanley, saying that. pieces. you heard dominic grieve there tim stanley, saying that he believes that suella braverman is dangerous, and i wonder if the language which some would say is tiny pratt might embolden far right groups? i tiny pratt might embolden far right arou s? ., ., tiny pratt might embolden far right u-rous? ., ., ., , .,, groups? i do have a problem with some of the _ groups? i do have a problem with some of the language _ groups? i do have a problem with some of the language that - groups? i do have a problem with some of the language that suella | some of the language that suella braverman uses and there is also, we are in_ braverman uses and there is also, we are in a _ braverman uses and there is also, we are in a fix— braverman uses and there is also, we are in a fix here because you have two people — are in a fix here because you have two people on the show who think the marches— two people on the show who think the marches should be go ahead, i am one of 12 civil— marches should be go ahead, i am one of 12 civil libertarians left in this— of 12 civil libertarians left in this country, i think first of all, if she has— this country, i think first of all, if she has broken the code it's a choice _ if she has broken the code it's a choice for the prime minister, we are talking — choice for the prime minister, we are talking about political reality, she represents the very strong part of this— she represents the very strong part of this country that feels very strongly, that something has gone wrong _ strongly, that something has gone wrong with the police and the marches _ wrong with the police and the marches have gone on for too long and it— marches have gone on for too long and it is— marches have gone on for too long and it is ”p— marches have gone on for too long and it is up to rishi sunak to decide — and it is up to rishi sunak to decide whether he wants her inside the tent _ decide whether he wants her inside the tent or— decide whether he wants her inside the tent or out. if he pushes her out, _ the tent or out. if he pushes her out, i_ the tent or out. if he pushes her out, i warn _ the tent or out. if he pushes her out, i warn you he the tent or out. if he pushes her out, iwarn you he is the tent or out. if he pushes her out, i warn you he is cutting off a important — out, i warn you he is cutting off a important part of his voting coalition— important part of his voting coalition and the tories don't have many— coalition and the tories don't have many people left who are willing to stick with _ many people left who are willing to stick with them.— many people left who are willing to stick with them. thank you both very much indeed- _ so saturday's pro—palestinian march in london will take place on armistice day. it will set off from hyde park corner and head to the us embassy, and it will begin at 12pm, an hour after the laying of the wreaths at the cenotaph in whitehall. the prime minister has described the march as "provocative and disrespectful", but the met commissioner, sir mark rowley, has judged that the threshold to ban it has not been met. in a moment, we'll talk to one of the march's organisers ben jamal. but first, gideon falter, from the campaign against semitism. thank you very much forjoining us. do you accept that on saturday, many people are marching for peace? the thin that people are marching for peace? tue: thing that is people are marching for peace? tt;e: thing that is really people are marching for peace? t"t9 thing that is really difficult people are marching for peace? tt9 thing that is really difficult is that this is now the fifth weekly national march for palestine and if you look at the last few weeks, we have had people calling saying, chanting from london to gaza, we have had people calling forjihad. we have had people from placard showing a star of david thrown in a bin with a caption saying, let's keep the world clean. if you were somebody going to a march week after week and he was seeing this kind of thing and hearing medieval battle cries in arabic warning jews that the army of muhammad is returning, if you are seeing that week after week, wouldn't you think, i wouldn't want to be at those marches any more? but apparently not because people are coming increasing numbers. people are coming increasing numbers-— people are coming increasing numbers. , , :, , :, numbers. they might be the ones who want to make — numbers. they might be the ones who want to make sure _ numbers. they might be the ones who want to make sure these _ numbers. they might be the ones who want to make sure these marches - numbers. they might be the ones who want to make sure these marches are | want to make sure these marches are peaceful and they drown out that hate speech. tt peaceful and they drown out that hate speech-— peaceful and they drown out that hate seech. , , hate speech. it might be some people are there for — hate speech. it might be some people are there for very _ hate speech. it might be some people are there for very good _ hate speech. it might be some people are there for very good reasons - hate speech. it might be some people are there for very good reasons and i are there for very good reasons and they have very good intentions. but they have very good intentions. but the marches as a whole have had the effect on the jewish the marches as a whole have had the effect on thejewish community and i can tell you from people i have heard from in thejewish community, there are people who live in central london and have vacated their homes. there are synagogues that have changed their service times on the sabbath and changed their schedules and closed their doors in some cases because of fears. there arejewish people who have been assaulted on the streets, there arejewish people who have had all sorts of chants hurled at them in the context of this rally. so that is not what a peace rally looks like to me. so we know anti-semitic _ peace rally looks like to me. so we know anti-semitic attacks - peace rally looks like to me. so we know anti-semitic attacks in - peace rally looks like to me. so we | know anti-semitic attacks in london know anti—semitic attacks in london have arisen substantially —— risen. as have islamophobic attacks. in a way in this country, shouldn't people of every race and creed be free to march away from this and actually make their voices heard, too? the danger is that those people don't have their voices, as i said. anti—semitic hate crime has increased ilt fold nearly according to the metropolitan police. anti—muslim hate crime also has increased threefold. jews represent half a percent of the population in this country. and whilst we have freedoms such as the freedom to protest in this country, that is balanced against obligations. and we have obligations not to glorify terrorism, not to call forjihad, not to incite racial hatred. and when those marches become hotbeds of that kind of activity and the police are unable to police them properly and take action against the people doing that. 5ir and take action against the people doinu that. ,, ~ and take action against the people doinu that. ,, ,, :, , , doing that. sir mark rowley is sa in: he doing that. sir mark rowley is saying he doesn't _ doing that. sir mark rowley is saying he doesn't think - doing that. sir mark rowley is saying he doesn't think the i saying he doesn't think the threshold to ban them has been reached and he does think they are manageable. i want to ask you about the language that suella braverman has used. that they are hate to marches. do you think there is anything to be said for that kind of essentially divisive language? == essentially divisive language? -- hate marches. ithink essentially divisive language? -- hate marches. i think sir mark rowley is clearly wrong. we had a letter last week signed by 15 king's counsel saying the marches were reaching the threshold for action under the public order act. and it is very clear there is a lot of hate at these marches. and what we are seeing now is a jewish community thatis seeing now is a jewish community that is intimidated and this is the anniversary of kristallnacht. the jewish community intimidated from walking through the capital city of our country on the weekends. and a police force that is failing to take action. :, ~' ,, , police force that is failing to take action. :, ~ ,, , . action. thank you very much indeed. i want to turn _ action. thank you very much indeed. i want to turn now _ action. thank you very much indeed. i want to turn now to _ action. thank you very much indeed. i want to turn now to ben _ action. thank you very much indeed. i want to turn now to ben jamal. i i want to turn now to benjamal. good evening, listening to that, can you guarantee that this march on saturday will be peaceful and that there won't be the kind of chants that gideon is talking about? weill. that gideon is talking about? well, look, we that gideon is talking about? well, look. we have _ that gideon is talking about? well, look, we have been _ that gideon is talking about? well, look, we have been watching now for nearly— look, we have been watching now for nearly five _ look, we have been watching now for nearly five weeks ever since israel began _ nearly five weeks ever since israel began its — nearly five weeks ever since israel began its indiscriminate bombing of the people in gaza that has today killed _ the people in gaza that has today killed over 10,000 palestinians including — killed over 10,000 palestinians including 4,500 children. the marches— including 4,500 children. the marches have been overwhelmingly peaceful— marches have been overwhelmingly peaceful as i heard reported on the ten o'clock— peaceful as i heard reported on the ten o'clock news on bbc earlier this evening _ ten o'clock news on bbc earlier this evening i_ ten o'clock news on bbc earlier this evening. i think in total, and there is quite _ evening. i think in total, and there is quite a — evening. i think in total, and there is quite a heavy police presence because — is quite a heavy police presence because there have been hundreds of thousands— because there have been hundreds of thousands of people attending. in total. _ thousands of people attending. in total. we — thousands of people attending. in total, we have had more than a million — total, we have had more than a million people attend these marches. ithink— million people attend these marches. i think there have been about 80 arrests— i think there have been about 80 arrests and many less than that charged — arrests and many less than that charged. so they are overwhelmingly peaceful _ charged. so they are overwhelmingly peaceful. they are attended by people — peaceful. they are attended by people from across british society attending — people from across british society attending and coming in from towns and cities _ attending and coming in from towns and cities across the uk and they are people — and cities across the uk and they are people marching for peace. they are people marching for peace. they are calling _ are people marching for peace. they are calling for a ceasefire because they want — are calling for a ceasefire because they want the commission of war crimes, _ they want the commission of war crimes, the — they want the commission of war crimes, the indiscriminate bombing of civilians — crimes, the indiscriminate bombing of civilians to come to an end. that is the _ of civilians to come to an end. that is the message of the march and these _ is the message of the march and these are — is the message of the march and these are extremely and overwhelmingly peaceful marches. but if people overwhelmingly peaceful marches. if people are overwhelmingly peaceful marches. pm if people are making the chance you heard what mcafee talked about those chants, if people are displaying messages like the badgers with paragliders on them in anoraks, will they be taken aside and told to separate from the march? —— what gideon falter talked about. will you actively make sure that doesn't happen? we actively make sure that doesn't ha en? ~ :, , actively make sure that doesn't hauen?: ., , . ., actively make sure that doesn't hauen? :, , . ., ., happen? we are very clear on the --rinciles happen? we are very clear on the principles on _ happen? we are very clear on the principles on which _ happen? we are very clear on the principles on which we _ happen? we are very clear on the principles on which we are - happen? we are very clear on the i principles on which we are marching and these _ principles on which we are marching and these are principles according to the _ and these are principles according to the application of international law. to the application of international law for— to the application of international law. for respect for human rights. and those — law. for respect for human rights. and those are the principles on which _ and those are the principles on which we — and those are the principles on which we are marching. what is going on here, _ which we are marching. what is going on here, over— which we are marching. what is going on here, overa million which we are marching. what is going on here, over a million people have been _ on here, over a million people have been attending these marches. there have been— been attending these marches. there have been a _ been attending these marches. there have been a tiny handful of instances. the incident you are referring — instances. the incident you are referring to, it was two people who had pictures of paragliders stapled to their— had pictures of paragliders stapled to their back. we would disassociate ourselves _ to their back. we would disassociate ourselves with that. but that is two people _ ourselves with that. but that is two people in_ ourselves with that. but that is two people in a — ourselves with that. but that is two people in a crowd of several hundred thousand _ people in a crowd of several hundred thousand. so you have to ask yourself, _ thousand. so you have to ask yourself, what is going on when people — yourself, what is going on when people want to focus their attention on that? _ people want to focus their attention on that? what we have seen with regard _ on that? what we have seen with regard to — on that? what we have seen with regard to suella braverman is four weeks _ regard to suella braverman is four weeks now, she has been trying to delegitimise the call for a ceasefire, she has been trying to delegitimise broader support for palestinian rights by using language suggesting that people marching or hateful _ suggesting that people marching or hateful. we have even heard her suggest — hateful. we have even heard her suggest that carrying the palestinian flag should be regarded with suspicion and should be regarded as inherently indicative of terrorist _ regarded as inherently indicative of terrorist sympathising. so we know what is _ terrorist sympathising. so we know what is going on here, this is part of a political project on her part and other— of a political project on her part and other people who share her views to delegitimise the call for a ceasefire. | to delegitimise the call for a ceasefire-— to delegitimise the call for a ceasefire. ~ :, :, , ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise _ ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise is _ ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise is that _ ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise is that a _ ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise is that a man - ceasefire. i think one of the things i should raise is that a man who i i should raise is that a man who calls himself the chair of your organisation on october the 17th, october the 7th, sorry, after hamas ali mcgregor prescribe terrorist organisation by the uk and many other countries, put out a now deleted tweet. —— after hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist. he put out this tweet. this man claims he is the chairman of your organisation. what do you make of that tweet? let of your organisation. what do you make of that tweet?— of your organisation. what do you make of that tweet? let me say there are numerous— make of that tweet? let me say there are numerous statements _ make of that tweet? let me say there are numerous statements the - are numerous statements the organisation has made. i have conducted numerous interviews, as has our— conducted numerous interviews, as has our chair. we have been very, very— has our chair. we have been very, very clear— has our chair. we have been very, very clear in— has our chair. we have been very, very clear in two fundamental principles. first of all that the framework within which we respond to any organisation or any state's use of force _ any organisation or any state's use of force is— any organisation or any state's use of force is international law and international law is clear. it prescribes the taking of hostages, the targeting or killing of civilians no matter who undertakes those _ civilians no matter who undertakes those acts — civilians no matter who undertakes those acts and that should be condemned. international law also says that _ condemned. international law also says that people have a right to defend — says that people have a right to defend themselves, including they have a _ defend themselves, including they have a right to defend themselves through— have a right to defend themselves through our resistance, but they do not have _ through our resistance, but they do not have a — through our resistance, but they do not have a right to utilise our resistance _ not have a right to utilise our resistance —— armed resistance outside — resistance —— armed resistance outside the _ resistance —— armed resistance outside the framework of international law. —— armed resistance _ international law. —— armed resistance. we have an of saying the clock— resistance. we have an of saying the clock started ticking on october the 7th and _ clock started ticking on october the 7th and that before that, there was a ceasefire —— we have had language saying _ a ceasefire —— we have had language saying the — a ceasefire —— we have had language saying. the root causes are a decades— saying. the root causes are a decades long military operation and the position since 1948 on the palestinian people of a system of oppression that most human rights organisations including amnesty international and human rights watch now define as a system of apartheid and that— now define as a system of apartheid and that is— now define as a system of apartheid and that is the point we are making. but if— and that is the point we are making. but if it— and that is the point we are making. but if it is— and that is the point we are making. but if it is legitimate thing that he wrote, why did he delete that tweet? because the operation from gazais tweet? because the operation from gaza is in response to the continuing illegal application and the terrorism... the attack by hamas was on kibbutzim including our men women and children going about their daily business who were not part of the military —— including on men. but if he stands by that tweet, why does it not still stand, why did he delete it? t does it not still stand, why did he delete it? , , , : delete it? i suspect he deleted it because peeple _ delete it? i suspect he deleted it because people were _ delete it? i suspect he deleted it because people were actually i delete it? i suspect he deleted it i because people were actually trying to take _ because people were actually trying to take it _ because people were actually trying to take it out of context. so it was better— to take it out of context. so it was better to — to take it out of context. so it was better to take it down. but i have 'ust better to take it down. but i have just explained very clearly our position _ just explained very clearly our position. and our position as this and i_ position. and our position as this and i will— position. and our position as this and i will repeat it for you. the framework _ and i will repeat it for you. the framework has to be international law. framework has to be international law and — framework has to be international law. and you have to respect international law. but the problem we have _ international law. but the problem we have at— international law. but the problem we have at the moment is our political— we have at the moment is our political leaders are using the framework of international law when responding to what hamas did on october— responding to what hamas did on october the 7th. when people attack civilians. _ october the 7th. when people attack civilians, let me finish, please. when _ civilians, let me finish, please. when people attack civilians, it should — when people attack civilians, it should be — when people attack civilians, it should be condemned within the framework of international law. but what we _ framework of international law. but what we are seeing is our political leaders _ what we are seeing is our political leaders making rhetoric saying israel— leaders making rhetoric saying israel should abide by international law, but— israel should abide by international law, but not addressing and condemning its egregious and very obvious— condemning its egregious and very obvious violations of international law. obvious violations of international law the — obvious violations of international law. the innocent bombing of civilians _ law. the innocent bombing of civilians. to law. the innocent bombing of civilians. :, :, civilians. to return to saturday. the march _ civilians. to return to saturday. the march which _ civilians. to return to saturday. the march which is _ civilians. to return to saturday. the march which is now - civilians. to return to saturday. the march which is now going l civilians. to return to saturday. i the march which is now going ahead. i wonder if you can guarantee that that march, supported by the police as they clearly say there is no reason to ban it, will be peaceful and respectful and not anti—semitic? well, look, that is a really silly question— well, look, that is a really silly question to say can anyone guarantee? there are football matches — guarantee? there are football matches taking place. | guarantee? there are football matches taking place. i suppose you are the organisers. _ matches taking place. i suppose you are the organisers. i _ matches taking place. i suppose you are the organisers. i expect - matches taking place. i suppose you are the organisers. i expect the i are the organisers. i expect the march to proceed _ are the organisers. i expect the march to proceed in _ are the organisers. i expect the march to proceed in the - are the organisers. i expect the march to proceed in the way i are the organisers. i expect the l march to proceed in the way that are the organisers. i expect the i march to proceed in the way that all the previous marches have. and as the previous marches have. and as the chief— the previous marches have. and as the chief commissioner of the met police _ the chief commissioner of the met police has— the chief commissioner of the met police has said, these have been overwhelmingly peaceful. but let's deal with _ overwhelmingly peaceful. but let's deal with what is actually creating this rail— deal with what is actually creating this rail and it is the dishonest narrative — this rail and it is the dishonest narrative from suella braverman and others _ narrative from suella braverman and others saying that our intention was to march _ others saying that our intention was to march on — others saying that our intention was to march on november the 11 to directly— to march on november the 11 to directly disrupt commemorations for remembrance and to desecrate the cenotaph— remembrance and to desecrate the cenotaph —— creating this rail. we knew— cenotaph —— creating this rail. we knew weeks— cenotaph —— creating this rail. we knew weeks ago and we feared there would _ knew weeks ago and we feared there would not _ knew weeks ago and we feared there would not be pressure on israel to call a _ would not be pressure on israel to call a ceasefire and we would still be marching saturday is going forward — be marching saturday is going forward. and when we looked at november the 11th, we said to the police _ november the 11th, we said to the police weeks ago that we would not want to _ police weeks ago that we would not want to be — police weeks ago that we would not want to be marching into the centre of london _ want to be marching into the centre of london that day and we wanted to stay away _ of london that day and we wanted to stay away from whitehall so as not to disrupt — stay away from whitehall so as not to disrupt preparations for the commemoration processes that happen the next _ commemoration processes that happen the next day. the police knew that. it is inconceivable that suella braverman does not speak to the police _ braverman does not speak to the police so— braverman does not speak to the police. so she knew that. so when she made — police. so she knew that. so when she made her remarks, she was being entirely— she made her remarks, she was being entirely dishonest. she was trying to whip— entirely dishonest. she was trying to whip up— entirely dishonest. she was trying to whip up discord. her remarks show she is— to whip up discord. her remarks show she is entirely unfit for her office _ she is entirely unfit for her office. :, ~' , :, , she is entirely unfit for her office. :, ~ ,, , . she is entirely unfit for her office. :, ,, , . :, office. thank you very much for 'oinin: office. thank you very much for joining us _ office. thank you very much for joining us tonight, _ office. thank you very much for joining us tonight, ben - office. thank you very much for joining us tonight, ben jamal. i according to the us, israel will begin to implement daily four—hour military pauses in northern gaza to let civilians travel south, a perilous journey, to relative safety. the white house said the move represents a significant first step, but the israeli military has made it clear, "there is no ceasefire". today, the islamichhad group in gaza released a video of two israeli hostages — an elderly woman and a boy. but away from the daily hell, international conversations are turning to the way ahead. the us secretary antony blinken has reiterated the us call for a two—state solution, with the palestinian authority in charge in both gaza and the west bank, where serious tension between palestinians and israelis have been inflamed since the war began. last night, at least two palestinians were killed in an israeli raid into thejenin refugee camp, and at least 20 more were wounded, according to the palestinian health ministry. these raids are almost nightly in the israelis search for militants and, according to the un, this year, more than 400 palestinians — both militants and civilians — have been killed by both israeli forces or by settlers in the occupied west bank. the israeli government requested 24,000 assault rifles from us gunmakers, but there are concerns they could be given to settlers in the west bank. i'll be talking to the deputy spokesman at the us department of state, but first, here'sjo inwood's report from the west bank. olive trees have grown in these lands for thousands of years. a sign of permanence and resistance. they are politically important, their oil was used to anoint kings, and economically essential. now, including for ahmed. he used to make good money working in israel. but after the atrocities of october 7th, almost all travel between arab and israeli areas were stopped and he lost his job. translation: sometimes, i pick olives. _ other times, i clean robes. i chase work from day to day. in israel, i used to work every day. i went there in the morning and left in the late afternoon. there is no work now. i work one day here, one day there, in the fields, picking olives. i need to feed my family. what can i do? and it's notjust economic life that has been affected. travel for palestinians around the west bank has been severely limited since october the 7th. translation: you cannot come and go. they have closed roads. i can only walk around my home. you have land, you can work it, but you have to remain closed to your home. i cannot neither go right nor left. checkpoints are suffocating us. the west bank is divided into three areas, a, b and c. a is run exclusively by the palestinian authority. israelis are banned from entering. b isjointly administered and c is run by israel, with the idf responsible for security. palestinian areas are split into small pockets come up with israeli roads often dividing them. now under the previous government of naftali bennett, the expansion of roads here in the west bank was put on hold, but that has been completely reversed by benjamin netanyahu. that decision was welcomed by many in the israeli settler movement. more than half live in the west bank. the un and many countries say all settlements are illegal and an obstacle to peace. something vehemently denied by the residents of efrat. in general, we have not stole it anyone's land. we are people, we go to work in the morning. we run businesses. we have professors at university. we are people of the book and not of the sword, and that is the way we would prefer to live. this war has been forced on us, we didn't choose it. 15,000 people live in this community, just across the valley from bethlehem. they say they have always had good relations with their arab neighbours, but october the 7th changed everything. i hope and belief other relations with our neighbours, the relationships will continue to be good. having said that, obviously, there is security concerns, because there is security concerns, because there were instances near the gaza strip of kibbutz where they had fantastic relationship with arabs working on the kibbutz and later discovered maps, describing the kibbutz village with the names of the family, how many people were living in each house. the people that live here are separated from their nearest a arab neighbours but a couple of hundred metre, a few farmsteads and a couple offences. the last month has seen a massive israeli security operation in the west bank. they have arrested more that 1400 palestinians, they claim most were kicked to hamas. just today, the palestinian authorities said 18 people had been killed, taking the total to 170 in the last month. it has been met with palestinian protest. both at the security crackdown, and the increasing death toll from israel's war in gaza. today, in bethlehem there was a general strike. this is a more peaceful and prosperous part of the west bank but there are areas where there have been direct conflict between community, in particular some groups of settlers have been accused of attacking palestinians, here one shoots a man if his leg. this is the long serving mayor, she say they from an extremist fringe who don't represent the community. now we understand there is a small group of extremist that do act violent reason and he understands these people need to be dealt with by the police, by the military service, by the secret service, and they should be trialled for what they should be trialled for what they do. the vast majority of people, jewish people who live here, 500,000 jewish people who live here deserve security, deserve to be treated like human beings, like law people who obey the law because that is nature of these communities, last night we had a meeting with the prime minister of all the mayors, there was a consensus of all the mayors, calling for the government to make sure that these extremists get arrested, get stopped, the quicker it happens, the less damage it will do to thejewish population and to the whole state of israel. because they are giving you a bad name? , , .., ., name? undisputed. i can agree with the bbc report _ name? undisputed. i can agree with the bbc report other _ name? undisputed. i can agree with the bbc report other that. _ name? undisputed. i can agree with the bbc report other that. for- name? undisputed. i can agree with the bbc report other that. for years | the bbc report other that. for years the bbc report other that. for years the call has — the bbc report other that. for years the call has been _ the bbc report other that. for years the call has been for _ the bbc report other that. for years the call has been for a _ the bbc report other that. for years the call has been for a two-state i the call has been for a two—state solution, an independent palestinian nation in the west bank and gaza, with eastjerusalem at its capital but that would require sacrifices from places they would be unwilling to make and wider israeli society unlikely to enforce. as he finishing his day's work, ahmed's concerns are more simple.s translation: ., ,. , translation: peace and security. come and go _ translation: peace and security. come and go with _ translation: peace and security. come and go with our— translation: peace and security. come and go with our cars. - translation: peace and security. come and go with our cars. to i translation: peace and security. come and go with our cars. to see| come and go with our cars. to see our children, to see peace. to live in our country without problems, we are looking to be able to feed our children, that is all. even before the events of 7th october the west bank was seeing a rise in violence, two communities who both feel a connection to this land, agreement was never going to be easy. it now seems further away earlier, i spoke with nathan tek, the deputy spokesperson at the us department of state, and started by asking him how confident he is that the daily four—hour military pauses to allow humanitarian aid, will actually happen we think this is a welcome announcement, and it's the outcome of a number of high level conversations that have been taking place, both at the president's level with his counterpart and at secretary blinken's level as well. we believe that these sorts of pauses are absolutely necessary in order to ensure that civilian life is protected, so that civilians can get to safety inside gaza. and so that, of course, humanitarian assistance can reach those who need it. now, i know there are a lot of questions about these sort of operational tactical details of what these pauses look like. and for that, i'm just going to have to defer to the israeli defense force. but as a matter of principle, we think this is a welcome announcement. we want to build on it, and it's something that we hope to see continue so that civilians can be protected. today, president macron, he also called for a cease fire. but anthony blinken has said that people are obliged to address the unacceptable result that that would bring about, ie, hamas would be left in position. is that really a given? is that really what would happen with a cease fire, that hamas would be left in position? i think that is the case. i think what a cease fire ultimately means is that israel would cease fire, but that hamas would continue its attacks, its rocket barrages, its terrorist plans on israeli civilians. and in fact, hamas has said so, publicly, that they intend to repeat

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