shocking, powerful and deeply personal. meghan and harry reveal their struggles and sadness with the royal life. also on breakfast, it's back to school for millions of children in england. ten years of hurt is overfor rangers. they win the scottish premiership with hundreds of fans celebrating outside ibrox despite covid safety warnings. good morning. today we have some rain across the northern half of the country which will ease through the day, drierand country which will ease through the day, drier and brighter country which will ease through the day, drierand brighter in country which will ease through the day, drier and brighter in the south, but from mid week, it looks like the weather is going to turn a mile. more details later in the programme. the structure it will turn milder. it's monday march 8th. our top story. the duke and duchess of sussex have accused the royal family of failing to protect them, even when meghan was suffering from suicidal thoughts and harry was in what he called "a dark place". in an interview broadcast on us television, the couple revealed intimate details of their rift, including a claim that one member of the royal household had expressed concern to harry about how dark his children would be. our royal correspondent daniela relph has this report. the duchess of sussex didn't hold back. she described a royal life of loneliness and isolation that left her in the darkest of places. so, were you thinking of harming yourself, were you having suicidal thoughts? yes, this was very, very clear. wow. very clear and very scary. and, you know, i didn't know who to even turn to in that. these are the thoughts that i'm having the middle of the night that are very clear, and i'm scared, because this is very real. this isn't some abstract idea, this is methodical, and this is not who i am. meghan described feeling unsupported by what she called the institution. the duke and duchess of sussex! she talked about this charity event in january 2019. she said just before leaving, she told her husband that she'd thought about taking her own life. she describes how the glamour on the outside hid the pain on the inside. wait, listen, did you hearthat? the interview was personal, revealing, and at times, shocking. she told oprah winfrey that her son archie's mixed race heritage was an issue. that when pregnant, someone within the palace questioned how her child would look. in those months when i was pregnant, all around the same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title. and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. what? and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? i think that would be very damaging to them. the interview highlighted strained relations within the royal family. meghan said media reports claiming she made her sister—in—law, the duchess of cambridge, cry, were false. in fact, it was the other way round, she said, and kate had apologised. when harryjoined the conversation with oprah, he described how he felt both his brother and father were trapped within the royal family. of william, he said their relationship now needed to space and he hoped it would heal. and he revealed a rift with his father. there's a lot to work through there. i feel really let down. because he's been through something similar. he knows what pain feels like. and this is... and archie's his grandson. but at the same time, of course, i will always love him. but there is a lot of hurt that's happened. there were lighter moments as well. the new baby is a girl, due in the summer. and life in california has brought the couple peace. this is, of course, one side of the story. but the interview is deeply critical of the royal family and its staff. it was a portrait of an institution unable or unwilling to help those struggling within it. daniela relph, bbc news. daniela is outside buckingham palace this morning. good to talk to you. give us a bit of contact first thing, how extraordinary is this interview? —— is a bit of context. i extraordinary is this interview? -- is a bit of context.— is a bit of context. i think it is very extraordinary _ is a bit of context. i think it is very extraordinary and - is a bit of context. i think it is very extraordinary and there l is a bit of context. i think it is | very extraordinary and there is is a bit of context. i think it is - very extraordinary and there is so much to unpick in it. we had the trailers last week, teases of what might be coming so we were expecting something pretty dramatic but i think the interview went beyond that. the taps particularly around meghan discussing deeply how she felt mentally when she was here in the uk, saying she considered taking her own life, things became very desperate for her. she described going to get help from officials in the royalfamily, but she going to get help from officials in the royal family, but she was told, she just had to put up with it, everyone has to go through it. that was the point that her and harry broke and thought she had to leave the uk. that kind of insight into what was going on behind the palace walls was shocking, heartbreaking at times and really insightful in terms of what was going on. you mentioned in our of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece — of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece that _ of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece that it _ of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece that it was _ of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece that it was only - of what was going on. you mentioned in your piece that it was only one - in your piece that it was only one side of the story we have heard in that interview. how do we expect the palace to respond if at all? i that interview. how do we expect the palace to respond if at all?— palace to respond if at all? i think there is a chance _ palace to respond if at all? i think there is a chance that _ palace to respond if at all? i think there is a chance that they - palace to respond if at all? i think there is a chance that they will. palace to respond if at all? i think| there is a chance that they will say something but perhaps notjust yet. they are clearly going to have to digest what they have heard overnight. some of the staff within the palace will have stayed up to watch the interview. other members of the royal family will perhaps be waiting until this morning to be briefed and to watch elements of the interview and they will then have to all consider whether they want to say anything. the accusations directed at them are very clear. particularly around what support was given to meghan and harry when they began to feel isolated, when they began to feel isolated, when they began to feel isolated, when they began to struggle, why was nobody there to help them?— there to help them? thank you so much for speaking _ there to help them? thank you so much for speaking to _ there to help them? thank you so much for speaking to us _ there to help them? thank you so much for speaking to us this - much for speaking to us this morning, we will pick up with you later. this interview went out at 1am in ourtime, prime later. this interview went out at 1am in our time, prime time for america. our north america correspondent, peter bowes, is in los angeles. iimagine i imagine this will have been watched by so many people, what has been the reaction? you watched by so many people, what has been the reaction?— been the reaction? you are right, millions of— been the reaction? you are right, millions of americans _ been the reaction? you are right, millions of americans will - been the reaction? you are right, millions of americans will have i been the reaction? you are right, i millions of americans will have been watching this. there has been a very swift reaction and a lot of that focusing on the claims made about racism. it's something that the american newspapers are picking up on, the los angeles times talks about the moment it says everyone in the world had been waiting for, except, it says, perhaps, the press office at buckingham palace. its headline focuses on the concerns that meghan and harry say the palace raised about the skin colour of the child. from serena williams, friend of meghan markle, she said, on twitter, my selfless friends lives her life and leads by example with empathy and compassion, she teaches me every day what it means to be truly noble. her words illustrate the pain and cruelty she has experience. also heard from bernice king, the youngest child of civil rights leader martin luther king, she tweeted, royalty is not a shield from the devastation and despair of racism. we are seeing quite a visceral reaction to those claims that meghan markle made. and perhaps quite the opposite of the fairy tale image that some people in america might have had about what it would be like for meghan markle to marry into the royal family.— into the royal family. thank you very much- _ we'll bring you analysis and reaction to the interview throughout this morning's programme from royal commentators both here and in the us. there is some other news around today as well. millions of children in england will go back to school today as the first step in the easing of lockdown restrictions. there are also changes to the rules around meeting up outside in england and to care home visits. john mcmanus reports. checking uniforms, packing bags. final preparations under way. like the cunningham family from cheshire, this is how many parents spent sunday evening ahead of the full reopening of schools in england today. most pupils have been at home for two months. plenty of time for families to get to know each other, but it has been a difficult period for many. it's been great having them at home and having all the time together. but for their sake, yeah, absolutely, really glad they're going back to see their friends and see their teachers and that community that they have that they've missed for such a long time. oh, just a little bit of normality. they're hoping that this return is for good. they went back in and it closed and then it opened. ours went back in just for one day then the schools closed down again and everything. to keep schools safe, older pupils will now be encouraged to take a test three times over the next fortnight, then to test themselves twice a week at home. they'll also be encouraged to wear masks. but these measures aren't mandatory. away from the classroom, other restrictions in england are also easing. as well as outdoor exercise which has been allowed, you can now meet other people outdoors for recreation, whether it's one person, your household or a support bubble. and crucially, you can also sit down with them. rules are also changing in care homes, where the danger posed by the virus has led to families struggling to maintain contact with their loved ones. from today, residents in england can receive one regular visitor indoors. they won't be able to hug, but they will be able to hold hands. in scotland, the first minister, nicola sturgeon, says she'll announce changes to lockdown restrictions there on tuesday. they're likely to relate to meeting others outdoors. wales will review its covid measures on friday. the government in cardiff has spoken of restoring more freedoms. and in northern ireland, there'll be a staged return of pupils to school, starting with the very youngest today. back in cheshire, shaun and aiden have given their final verdict on their parents' teaching efforts. mum, ten out of ten, dad, nine and a half. aiden? mum, ten out of ten, dad, ten out of ten! john mcmanus, bbc news. it is 11 minutes past six. so much to talk about today. if you are just getting up and getting ready for the school day, after many weeks of not getting there, good luck! we are here with you throughout the morning, to keep 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in the northern half of the country, in the south, a cold and frosty start, some brightness, variable cloud and sunshine to the day. a lot of sunshine coming in across north—east scotland and the rain tending to ease as you go through the day. just slipping a bit further south, getting in across the north midlands, north wales, cloudy and damp in northern ireland. this evening and overnight we have the remnants of the rain. clear skies in the south, so it will have a widespread frost, a cold night. a week for the front in the west will introduce some rain, not particularly heavy and it will be breezy. still a fair bit of dry weather through tomorrow, even some sunshine. then later things start to change. we see a new area of low pressure coming in introducing heavy and persistent rain, and the wind is going to start to strengthen out towards the west. these other temperatures, if you are in dry and sunny conditions, up 12. i will have the full weather forecast in about half an hour. if you live in england there's a good chance you'll be having a more hectic monday morning than you've become used to in the last couple of months. that's because millions of children are going back to the classroom today, although secondary school pupils will need to test negative for covid first. breakfast'sjohn maguire is at a testing centre in york to tell us more. how are they all preparing? good morning. good morning, louise. there will be testing centres like this up and down the country but i bet there is one no larger than this. look at this scale, we are at the railway institute in york, next to the railway station, an old victorian maintenance shared which has been converted into a gym and it is widely used. we have 13 stations here, children started coming to protests on tuesday last week. he will have seen —— children started coming in to have test on tuesday. you will have seen the drill, they sit down, there is a mirror and a hand sanitiser, they blow their nose and then they have the kit, one tickles the tonsils, then up the nose, then they are sent off for processing. there are members of staff, lab technicians and parents to help them, teach the children and run them through the methodology. the subsequent tests after the first three will be able to be done at home. a pretty big undertaking. this head teacher is with us, let me ask you, a strange day but how are you feeling today getting back to school, getting back to some sense of normality? i’m school, getting back to some sense of normality?— of normality? i'm absolutely delighted — of normality? i'm absolutely delighted that _ of normality? i'm absolutely delighted that today - of normality? i'm absolutely delighted that today has - of normality? i'm absolutely i delighted that today has come, of normality? i'm absolutely - delighted that today has come, i'm really excited about seeing all the young people coming back again. it has been really tough for them, two months outside of school. it's doing the remote learning, and they have been brilliant, and the staff have been brilliant, and the staff have been brilliant. but today it is just great to be welcoming them back. i don't suppose everybody will return with unbridled enthusiasm, there could be a few first—day nerves, or for year seven pupils, new school nerves? , , ., ., , , nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so — nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so it _ nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so it is _ nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so it is difficult. _ nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so it is difficult. but - nerves? yes, they have hardly been in school so it is difficult. but we . in school so it is difficult. but we met all of the children last week, they all came through to have a test last week, i was asking how they felt about next week. they might just have been saying this because they know i am the head but they are saying, really looking forward to it, can't wait! they are excited but a few of them are nervous because they are coming back to something, meeting friends again that they might not have seen for a couple of months. exciting day for everybody. a big day for everyone, yeah, thank you very much indeed. good luck and thank you for hosting us as well. imagine a live tv crew coming when there is all this important stuff to do! damn it, you have to set —— dermot, you have settled this up, what was it like? it -- dermot, you have settled this up, what was it like?— what was it like? it was great, we not the what was it like? it was great, we got the call _ what was it like? it was great, we got the call saying _ what was it like? it was great, we got the call saying that _ what was it like? it was great, we got the call saying that all - what was it like? it was great, we got the call saying that all the - got the call saying that all the kids had — got the call saying that all the kids had to be tested before they went to _ kids had to be tested before they went to school so the e—mail went out to _ went to school so the e—mail went out to all— went to school so the e—mail went out to all the hard—working volunteers who work for our charity. they answered the call, we came down and brought— they answered the call, we came down and brought the tables, you name it. so it got— and brought the tables, you name it. so it got cleared out? yes, and brought the tables, you name it. so it got cleared out?— so it got cleared out? yes, we have nine badminton _ so it got cleared out? yes, we have nine badminton courts, _ so it got cleared out? yes, we have nine badminton courts, it _ so it got cleared out? yes, we have nine badminton courts, it is - so it got cleared out? yes, we have nine badminton courts, it is a - nine badminton courts, it is a fantastic— nine badminton courts, it is a fantastic and a vast area but it is perfect _ fantastic and a vast area but it is perfect to— fantastic and a vast area but it is perfect to introducing a one—way system — perfect to introducing a one—way system. we have a number of fire doors _ system. we have a number of fire doors so — system. we have a number of fire doors so the kids can come in one dooi’, _ doors so the kids can come in one door, get— doors so the kids can come in one door, get the test, carry on down the gym. — door, get the test, carry on down the gym, walk out through another the gym, walk out through it door, get the test, carry on down the gym, walk out through it is perfectly— the gym, walk out through it is perfectly safe. and it's been amazing, it is almost like an military— amazing, it is almost like an military operation. all amazing, it is almost like an military operation.— amazing, it is almost like an military operation. all the better the rest of _ military operation. all the better the rest of day, _ military operation. all the better the rest of day, thank _ military operation. all the better the rest of day, thank you - military operation. all the better the rest of day, thank you very l military operation. all the better - the rest of day, thank you very much indeed. —— all the best for the rest of the day. we will be talking to some students and parent volunteers late on to get a sense of this very unusual act to school day today. thank you, we will be withjohn and at other schools later on. let's get more on this from one of our regular gps, dr nighat arif. lovely to see you as ever. i suspect there will be a real sense of anticipation from children and parents this morning, and also nerves, so what is your advice? completely, it is to be expected. testing, going back to school, even if you have gone on holiday and you go back to school it feels nerve—racking. the testing process is really easy. we as health care professionals have been doing the rapid flow tests twice a week since january. so to me, i used to it but i completely understand the nerves that parents and children will be going through. i have done a little video and also on my tiktok, i have a video showing how it's done. the more you do it, the better you get at it. the accuracy is very good, and if you are positive on the rapid flow tests, then you need a pcr test, which is another swab which is sent to a lab to be sure. usually, if you are positive on the rapid flow test, you will be positive on the pcr only need to self—isolate. this will be a confidence for parents and health care professionals that we are taking all of the measures possible to drive down the numbers and the transmission rate. one of the biggest things we have had is we do not want to go into another lockdown. this is one of the tools we have in our kit to make sure we can prevent another lockdown, because we do not want one! fine can prevent another lockdown, because we do not want one! one of the other things _ because we do not want one! one of the other things that _ because we do not want one! one of the other things that parents - because we do not want one! one of the other things that parents and - the other things that parents and children will have experienced in the run—up to christmas is bubbles, perhaps some year groups and classes being taken out because someone has tested positive so do you think that will help alleviate that? definitely, but those measures are still important because we want to do more face—to—face classrooms for children because that is the gold standard way of learning. we need to make sure that children's education is not impacted. measures like bubble, face coverings and hand washing, keep the physical distance, they will all play a part. of course thatis they will all play a part. of course that is important as well. tell they will all play a part. of course that is important as well.- that is important as well. tell us about vaccine _ that is important as well. tell us about vaccine roll-out, - that is important as well. tell us about vaccine roll-out, moving l that is important as well. tell us - about vaccine roll-out, moving down about vaccine roll—out, moving down an age group as well again? yes. about vaccine roll-out, moving down an age group as well again?- an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at — an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at the _ an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at the moment _ an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at the moment and - an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at the moment and it - an age group as well again? yes, 56 and above at the moment and it is l and above at the moment and it is going full strength to strength, we have actually done second vaccine call out in this area in buckinghamshire as well. i'm very excited. this is where we are so great in the nhs, volunteers and doctors volunteering their time, pharmacists, primary care is where vaccination programmes are really successful and the uptick has been great. we have had some hesitancy among ethnic minority groups, ramadan is coming up so we are trying to do more education around that, so itjust comes down to education. in the uptake has been great, 21 million people have had the vaccine. if we stay on the track and go as successfully as we can and there are no issues with supply, i think, and i am quite a hopeful person, that by the autumn, we should be able to vaccinate the majority of our population and therefore have some sense of normality around christmas time which is amazing.— normality around christmas time which is amazing. what about the autumn? there _ which is amazing. what about the autumn? there are _ which is amazing. what about the autumn? there are warnings - which is amazing. what about the l autumn? there are warnings about possible new variants, how concerned should we be about different variants? ., ., , ., should we be about different variants? ., ., . . ., variants? for me as a clinician, it is alwa s variants? for me as a clinician, it is always about _ variants? for me as a clinician, it is always about taking _ variants? for me as a clinician, it is always about taking things - variants? for me as a clinician, it is always about taking things into perspective. variants happen and we have to accept that and we have to also accept that we are going to be living with some variation of covid—19 for generations and probably my and everyone else's lifetime. because we know like the flu virus, that has different variants all the time so we adapt the flu vaccine. we know as clinicians that this is happening, virologists and epidemiologists, so we know we can vary the vaccine as long as they come along. it shows that the measures of washing your hands and covering your face need to be in place all the time. we have seen the driving down of the other viruses like nara virus and flu viruses. some sceptics might say, every virus is now counted as coronavirus, but we have had the highest uptake of the flu vaccine, we have eyed isolation of people who are infectious, we have had hand rushing measures and face covering, keeping a distance from people, that proper hand washing measures. things that our friends proper hand washing measures. things that ourfriends injapan proper hand washing measures. things that our friends injapan and china, those measures they were doing already, it shows is that we should have been doing this even before a pandemic happened to control flu. don't panic, we will be able to accommodate the various if our measures do not change. it is international _ measures do not change. it is international women's day as well so enjoy. i international women's day as well so en'o . ~' ., international women's day as well so en'o . ~ ., international women's day as well so en'o. ~ ., enjoy. i know, en'oy, happy international _ enjoy. i know, enjoy, happy international women's - enjoy. i know, enjoy, happy international women's day! j international women's day! she mentioned, she has done a brilliant explain it for the lateral flow test on our social media, she can show you how to do it. let's take a look at some of today's papers. there's only one story dominating the front pages. the duke and duchess of sussex's interview with oprah winfrey. the sun focuses on meghan�*s revelation that she battled suicidal thoughts before deciding to leave the uk. the mirror says the duchess "blew the lid off her royal life", leading on her comments about alleged "concerns" over the colour of her son's skin. and the express picks out meghan�*s claim that the duchess of cambridge made her cry in the run—up to her wedding. the interview is also getting a lot of attention from us newspapers. the new york times describes it as a "raw look" behind palace doors and says meghan suffered what it calls the "cruel loss" of her freedom and identity when she became part of the royal family. we will be speaking to a number of royal commentators to get a reaction to the interview through the day. as you mentioned earlier, the other big story we are looking at is the return to schools. you said something quite insightful there. anticipation and nervousness? irate anticipation and nervousness? we were talking about this with our children yesterday, the fact they had been at home for such a long time, there is a difference, even though they have been speaking to their friends and in classes, all of it has been on a screen. and having those conversations face—to—face again with a mask on, there is understandably a bit of trepidation about that. get understandably a bit of trepidation about that. , ., . , about that. get in touch this morning- — about that. get in touch this morning- i _ about that. get in touch this morning. i know— about that. get in touch this morning. i know you - about that. get in touch this morning. i know you will. about that. get in touch this morning. i know you will be | about that. get in touch this - morning. i know you will be watching the clock especially, because you are not 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wash - you bought them. i remember the | 1970s, yes. you had to wash them. 19705, yes. you had to wash them. also, it kept the shelf life longer because it kept the light out. tesco i5 because it kept the light out. tesco is going back to mode5t —— muddy spuds to make sure the food lives longer. it doubles their shelf life. a waste action group has encouraged them to do this, they will see how customers feel before rolling it out to more stores so if you spot some muddy spot5, to more stores so if you spot some muddy spots, that is why. the killing of george floyd in america last year triggered many conversations about race and racism in the us but also here in britain. that's the subject of tonight's panorama on bbc one, which is presented by our own naga munchetty. take a look. the other day, there was me ahead of the queue and a white lady behind me. and she got called over before i did. and i noticed that this white receptionist wa5 continuously doing that. so she was avoiding all black people that were in the queue. and that was hurtful because i knew what that was. frankie's brotherjason works in hospitality. i get the typical people come up to me and ask me for weed and the hip hop talk. i've been in situations where something has been stolen and i can feel, i've literally seen people in the shop turn and look at me. and i'm clearly not the guilty one. no one's actually saying, "you're a n—word, you're a this," you can't see it. there's no way you can feel or live my life unless you have that shade of skin. you can watch the full programme tonight. it's called panorama: let's talk about race, and it's on bbc one at 7pm. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning, i'm sonja jessup. the family of a woman from brixton who's been missing for more than four days, say they're desperate for news. sarah everard left a friend's house in clapham on wednesday night. she was picked up on cctv walking along the south circular about half an hour later, but hasn't been seen since. children across the capital are returning to school today, a5 lockdown begins to ease. and all this week, bbc london will be focusing on one community in roehampton, looking at how they've coped during the pandemic. heathmere primary school on the alton estate has been preparing to welcome all its pupils back to class. teachers and staff who work in schools, we have a really robust risk assessment. i think people understand how to keep themselves safe. we know so much more about covid than we did during the first lockdown. we know what we need to do to keep ourselves safe. if we have to close a bubble, we close it. we've got the remote learning plans in place. so i'm feeling positive about it because i'm looking forward to having the children back and i think it will probably be how it was in september. meanwhile, there's a surprise for children returning to brampton park primary in bexley heath today. 380 teddies have been donated by the parent and teacher association, to offer a bit of extra comfort to any pupils anxious about coming back to class. staff and visitors at guy's and st thomas' hospital in south london will be greeted by this — an art installation called the tunnel of light. 900 metres long, it's designed to represent a symbol of hope as lockdown eases. let's take a look at the travel situation now. on the tube, there's a signal failure on the bakerloo line. it's not running between stonebridge park and harrow & wealdstone. on the roads, the usual rush hour build—up on the a13 heading into central london from dagenham. in stratford, waddington road is blocked because a building caught fire. ten fire engines are down there at the moment. and on putney high street, the temporary traffic lights have broken at thejunction with putney bridge road. expect delays round there. i have to apologise because unfortunately we have not been able to bring you our normal weather forecast. but it will stay dry throughout the day to day with patchy cloud but sunny spells. light or gentle westerly winds. overnight it will remain dry with skies clearing for many, which will make it feel quite chilly especially with the gentle breeze. tomorrow will be a dry day with plenty of sunny spells. cloud will build from the west later, and the winds will begin to pick up. wednesday are expected to see widespread outbreaks of blustery rain throughout the day, overcast skies. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast, with dan walker and louise minchin. coming up on breakfast this morning... the music legend annie lennox will bejoining us for a chat in around 20 minutes — she's got some big plans today to mark international women's day. # i guess now it's time to start people learning... most children in england are going back to school today — hopefully for good this time. we'll speak to the head teachers who channelled their inner take that to express their excitement. and it's now legal in england to meet one person from outside your household, for a sit down and a chat in a public place, like a park. we'll be there to share the moment when this lockdown fitness enthusiast, nanny bimla, meets her granddaughter for the first time since august. our top story this morning is that eagerly awaited interview between harry and meghan — the duke and duchess of sussex — and oprah winfrey. it aired overnight in the us, and some of the royal couple's claims were explosive. let's see a short clip of meghan talking about baby archie. in those months when i was pregnant, all around the same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, "he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title". and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born. what?! and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? i think that would be very damaging to them. that is just one part of what was a two hour long interview. let's hear how the programme was received in the states. sean mandell hosts a podcast called spilling royal tea. and caroline feraday is a journalist and broadcaster, formerly of the bbc. they both join us from los angeles. good morning both. thank you for joining us. this went out at one o'clock in the morning. many people in uk have not seen it yet. caroline, let's talk about your first impressions, what did you make of it? ~ ., ., , first impressions, what did you make ofit? ., first impressions, what did you make ofit?~ ., ._ , of it? meghan really was very well ut of it? meghan really was very well put together. _ of it? meghan really was very well put together. very _ of it? meghan really was very well put together, very calm, - of it? meghan really was very well put together, very calm, very - of it? meghan really was very well put together, very calm, very in l put together, very calm, very in control, — put together, very calm, very in control, very warm, very gently spoken — control, very warm, very gently spoken. she seemed sorta very well prepared _ spoken. she seemed sorta very well prepared for her interview with oprah — prepared for her interview with oprah. and oprah made a big point that meghan had been given the questions in advance or, that no topic— questions in advance or, that no topic was— questions in advance or, that no topic was off the menu that any questions — topic was off the menu that any questions could be asked. they sort of settled _ questions could be asked. they sort of settled into this environment of this chat — of settled into this environment of this chat. she didn't seem comfortable, even when they went into less _ comfortable, even when they went into less comfortable areas of the conversation. the clip you just showed — conversation. the clip you just showed was one of the more jaw—dropping moments. there are a few shocks — jaw—dropping moments. there are a few shocks. one big shock early on a couple _ few shocks. one big shock early on a couple of— few shocks. one big shock early on a couple of minutes in, and we already learned _ couple of minutes in, and we already learned that — couple of minutes in, and we already learned that three days before the royal wedding they got married in secret _ royal wedding they got married in secret it — royal wedding they got married in secret. it set the scene that this was going — secret. it set the scene that this was going to be two hours of a lot of surprises. the idea they got married — of surprises. the idea they got married in— of surprises. the idea they got married in secret is not that damaging to the royal family. the idea there — damaging to the royal family. the idea there were discussions at a senior— idea there were discussions at a senior level in the royal family about— senior level in the royal family about the — senior level in the royal family about the colour of archie's skin certainly— about the colour of archie's skin certainly a — about the colour of archie's skin certainly a very damaging to the royal— certainly a very damaging to the royal family. that was a claim not 'ust royal family. that was a claim not just made — royal family. that was a claim not just made by meghan but also by harry _ just made by meghan but also by harry. harry refused to divulge any details _ harry. harry refused to divulge any details of _ harry. harry refused to divulge any details of the conversations or who it was— details of the conversations or who it was with — details of the conversations or who it was with but it was later claimed they both — it was with but it was later claimed they both made. -- it was with but it was later claimed they both made.— they both made. -- it was a claim they both made. -- it was a claim they both — they both made. -- it was a claim they both met- — they both made. -- it was a claim they both met. the _ they both made. -- it was a claim they both met. the uk _ they both made. -- it was a claim they both met. the uk waiting --| they both met. the uk waiting —— waking up to this this morning. a lot of people angry about what was said, others angry we are talking about it at all. from a us point of view, do you think this interview will change anything? i absolutely do. ithink will change anything? i absolutely do. i think there _ will change anything? i absolutely do. i think there were _ will change anything? i absolutely do. i think there were a _ will change anything? i absolutely do. i think there were a lot - will change anything? i absolutely do. i think there were a lot of- do. i think there were a lot of people — do. i think there were a lot of people who _ do. i think there were a lot of people who were _ do. i think there were a lot of people who were casual- do. i think there were a lot of- people who were casual observers, or even a _ people who were casual observers, or even a week— people who were casual observers, or even a week ago— people who were casual observers, or even a week ago were _ people who were casual observers, or even a week ago were not _ people who were casual observers, or even a week ago were not going - people who were casual observers, or even a week ago were not going to i even a week ago were not going to tune into _ even a week ago were not going to tune into this— even a week ago were not going to tune into this interview, _ even a week ago were not going to tune into this interview, but - even a week ago were not going to tune into this interview, but after. tune into this interview, but after the events— tune into this interview, but after the events of— tune into this interview, but after the events of the _ tune into this interview, but after the events of the past _ tune into this interview, but after the events of the past week - tune into this interview, but after the events of the past week in i tune into this interview, but after. the events of the past week in terms of the _ the events of the past week in terms of the allegations _ the events of the past week in terms of the allegations of _ the events of the past week in terms of the allegations of bullying - the events of the past week in terms of the allegations of bullying that. of the allegations of bullying that were made — of the allegations of bullying that were made against— of the allegations of bullying that were made against meghan, - of the allegations of bullying that. were made against meghan, which a lot of— were made against meghan, which a lot of americans _ were made against meghan, which a lot of americans felt _ were made against meghan, which a lot of americans felt were _ were made against meghan, which a lot of americans felt were done - were made against meghan, which a lot of americans felt were done by. lot of americans felt were done by buckingham — lot of americans felt were done by buckingham palace _ lot of americans felt were done by buckingham palace to _ lot of americans felt were done by buckingham palace to underminel lot of americans felt were done by. buckingham palace to undermine and discredit _ buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, _ buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, that _ buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, that got _ buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, that got a - buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, that got a lot- buckingham palace to undermine and discredit meghan, that got a lot of. discredit meghan, that got a lot of more _ discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers _ discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers. you _ discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers. you can _ discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers. you can add - discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers. you can add to - discredit meghan, that got a lot of more viewers. you can add to that these _ more viewers. you can add to that these bombshell— more viewers. you can add to that these bombshell revelations, - more viewers. you can add to that these bombshell revelations, a . more viewers. you can add to thatj these bombshell revelations, a lot of people — these bombshell revelations, a lot of people who _ these bombshell revelations, a lot of people who were _ these bombshell revelations, a lot of people who were not _ these bombshell revelations, a lot l of people who were not passionately following _ of people who were not passionately following this — of people who were not passionately following this story— of people who were not passionately following this story are _ of people who were not passionately following this story are now- following this story are now invested _ following this story are now invested. they _ following this story are now invested. they now - following this story are now invested. they now feel- following this story are now- invested. they now feel invested and feel that _ invested. they now feel invested and feel that meghan— invested. they now feel invested and feel that meghan has— invested. they now feel invested and feel that meghan has genuinely- invested. they now feel invested and feel that meghan has genuinely beenj feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged _ feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and — feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and has _ feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and has been _ feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and has been a _ feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and has been a victim. - feel that meghan has genuinely been wronged and has been a victim. andl wronged and has been a victim. and now are _ wronged and has been a victim. and now are rallying _ wronged and has been a victim. and now are rallying to _ wronged and has been a victim. and now are rallying to her— wronged and has been a victim. and now are rallying to her side. - wronged and has been a victim. and now are rallying to her side. over. now are rallying to her side. over the course — now are rallying to her side. over the course of— now are rallying to her side. over the course of the _ now are rallying to her side. over the course of the past _ now are rallying to her side. over the course of the past week- now are rallying to her side. over the course of the past week her. the course of the past week her support— the course of the past week her support has— the course of the past week her support has definitely— the course of the past week her support has definitely grown . the course of the past week her. support has definitely grown here the course of the past week her- support has definitely grown here in the us _ support has definitely grown here in the us i_ support has definitely grown here in the us iexpect— support has definitely grown here in the us. i expect that _ support has definitely grown here in the us. i expect that by— support has definitely grown here in the us. i expect that by tomorrow. the us. i expect that by tomorrow morning _ the us. i expect that by tomorrow morning it — the us. i expect that by tomorrow morning it will _ the us. i expect that by tomorrow morning it will eclipse _ the us. i expect that by tomorrow morning it will eclipse anything i morning it will eclipse anything that has— morning it will eclipse anything that has been— morning it will eclipse anything that has been in— morning it will eclipse anything that has been in the _ morning it will eclipse anything that has been in the past. - morning it will eclipse anythingj that has been in the past. let’s that has been in the past. let's ick u- that has been in the past. let's pick up on _ that has been in the past. let's pick up on the _ that has been in the past. let's pick up on the thought, - that has been in the past. let's pick up on the thought, the - pick up on the thought, the jaw—dropping moment referred to by caroline. there seem to be many things that will be of concern to the royalfamily? things that will be of concern to the royal family?— things that will be of concern to the royalfamily? absolutely. i had to start keeping — the royalfamily? absolutely. i had to start keeping a _ the royalfamily? absolutely. i had to start keeping a list _ the royalfamily? absolutely. i had to start keeping a list to _ the royalfamily? absolutely. i had to start keeping a list to order - to start keeping a list to order them, — to start keeping a list to order them, to— to start keeping a list to order them, to keep— to start keeping a list to order them, to keep track _ to start keeping a list to order them, to keep track of - to start keeping a list to order them, to keep track of them i to start keeping a list to order. them, to keep track of them all. to start keeping a list to order- them, to keep track of them all. i think— them, to keep track of them all. i think one — them, to keep track of them all. i think one of— them, to keep track of them all. i think one of the _ them, to keep track of them all. i think one of the other— them, to keep track of them all. i think one of the other big - them, to keep track of them all. ii think one of the other big concerns for the _ think one of the other big concerns for the royal— think one of the other big concerns for the royal family— think one of the other big concerns for the royal family is _ think one of the other big concerns for the royal family is going - think one of the other big concerns for the royal family is going to - think one of the other big concerns for the royal family is going to be i for the royal family is going to be the conversations— for the royal family is going to be the conversations around - for the royal family is going to be i the conversations around meghan's suicidal— the conversations around meghan's suicidal thoughts— the conversations around meghan's suicidal thoughts and _ the conversations around meghan's suicidal thoughts and ideation. - the conversations around meghan's suicidal thoughts and ideation. she| suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims _ suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she — suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she went _ suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she went to _ suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she went to the _ suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she went to the royal- suicidal thoughts and ideation. she claims she went to the royal family after she _ claims she went to the royal family after she was — claims she went to the royal family after she was suffering, _ claims she went to the royal family after she was suffering, incrediblyl after she was suffering, incredibly lonely, _ after she was suffering, incredibly lonely, and — after she was suffering, incredibly lonely, and thought _ after she was suffering, incredibly lonely, and thought about - after she was suffering, incrediblyl lonely, and thought about harming herself _ lonely, and thought about harming herself she — lonely, and thought about harming herself. she told _ lonely, and thought about harming herself. she told harry _ lonely, and thought about harming herself. she told harry at - lonely, and thought about harming herself. she told harry at one - lonely, and thought about harming| herself. she told harry at one point that you _ herself. she told harry at one point that you could _ herself. she told harry at one point that you could be _ herself. she told harry at one point that you could be left _ herself. she told harry at one point that you could be left alone - herself. she told harry at one point that you could be left alone for - herself. she told harry at one point that you could be left alone for onej that you could be left alone for one night _ that you could be left alone for one night because — that you could be left alone for one night because she _ that you could be left alone for one night because she was _ that you could be left alone for one night because she was concerned l night because she was concerned about— night because she was concerned about what— night because she was concerned about what she _ night because she was concerned about what she would _ night because she was concerned about what she would do. - night because she was concerned about what she would do. this i night because she was concerned i about what she would do. this was all while _ about what she would do. this was all while she — about what she would do. this was all while she was _ about what she would do. this was all while she was pregnant - about what she would do. this was all while she was pregnant with - all while she was pregnant with archie — all while she was pregnant with archie she _ all while she was pregnant with archie. she asked _ all while she was pregnant with archie. she asked the - all while she was pregnant with. archie. she asked the institution for help. — archie. she asked the institution for help. for— archie. she asked the institution for help, for some _ archie. she asked the institution for help, for some sort - archie. she asked the institution for help, for some sort of- for help, for some sort of additional— for help, for some sort of additional care, _ for help, for some sort of additional care, some - for help, for some sort of- additional care, some support, whether— additional care, some support, whether that _ additional care, some support, whether that was _ additional care, some support, whether that was checking - additional care, some support, whether that was checking into additional care, some support, i whether that was checking into a mental— whether that was checking into a mental health— whether that was checking into a mental health facility— whether that was checking into a mental health facility is - whether that was checking into a mental health facility is not - whether that was checking into a i mental health facility is not clear, but she _ mental health facility is not clear, but she said — mental health facility is not clear, but she said it— mental health facility is not clear, but she said it was— mental health facility is not clear, but she said it was made - mental health facility is not clear, but she said it was made very- mental health facility is not clear, i but she said it was made very clear to her_ but she said it was made very clear to her that — but she said it was made very clear to her that that _ but she said it was made very clear to her that that was _ but she said it was made very clear to her that that was not _ but she said it was made very clear to her that that was not an - but she said it was made very clear to her that that was not an option. | to her that that was not an option. the reason — to her that that was not an option. the reason why— to her that that was not an option. the reason why i_ to her that that was not an option. the reason why i think _ to her that that was not an option. the reason why i think this - to her that that was not an option. the reason why i think this is - the reason why i think this is damaging _ the reason why i think this is damaging is— the reason why i think this is damaging is because, - the reason why i think this is damaging is because, first. the reason why i think this is damaging is because, first of the reason why i think this is - damaging is because, first of all, the duke — damaging is because, first of all, the duke and _ damaging is because, first of all, the duke and duchess— damaging is because, first of all, the duke and duchess of- damaging is because, first of all, i the duke and duchess of cambridge have both _ the duke and duchess of cambridge have both been _ the duke and duchess of cambridge have both been very— the duke and duchess of cambridge have both been very outspoken - the duke and duchess of cambridge i have both been very outspoken about their work— have both been very outspoken about their work in— have both been very outspoken about their work in mental— have both been very outspoken about their work in mental health. - have both been very outspoken about their work in mental health. and - have both been very outspoken about their work in mental health. and on i their work in mental health. and on top of— their work in mental health. and on top of this, — their work in mental health. and on top of this, this _ their work in mental health. and on top of this, this really— their work in mental health. and on top of this, this really does - their work in mental health. and on top of this, this really does feel- top of this, this really does feel like a _ top of this, this really does feel like a book— top of this, this really does feel like a book end _ top of this, this really does feel like a book end to— top of this, this really does feel like a book end to princess - top of this, this really does feel. like a book end to princess diana's panorama — like a book end to princess diana's panorama interview— like a book end to princess diana's panorama interview which - like a book end to princess diana's panorama interview which also - like a book end to princess diana's. panorama interview which also talked about _ panorama interview which also talked about her _ panorama interview which also talked about her struggle _ panorama interview which also talked about her struggle with _ panorama interview which also talked about her struggle with mental- about her struggle with mental health— about her struggle with mental health as — about her struggle with mental health as a _ about her struggle with mental health as a member— about her struggle with mental health as a member of- about her struggle with mental health as a member of the - about her struggle with mentall health as a member of the royal family — health as a member of the royal family you _ health as a member of the royal family. you seem _ health as a member of the royal family. you seem to _ health as a member of the royal family. you seem to have - health as a member of the royall family. you seem to have history repeating — family. you seem to have history repeating itself _ family. you seem to have history repeating itself in _ family. you seem to have history repeating itself in terms - family. you seem to have history repeating itself in terms of - family. you seem to have history repeating itself in terms of dianaj repeating itself in terms of diana talking _ repeating itself in terms of diana talking about _ repeating itself in terms of diana talking about trying _ repeating itself in terms of diana talking about trying to _ repeating itself in terms of diana talking about trying to get - repeating itself in terms of diana . talking about trying to get support, not getting — talking about trying to get support, not getting it. _ talking about trying to get support, not getting it, meghan— talking about trying to get support, not getting it, meghan very- talking about trying to get support, not getting it, meghan very much i not getting it, meghan very much sin- not getting it, meghan very much sing the _ not getting it, meghan very much sing the same _ not getting it, meghan very much sing the same thing. _ not getting it, meghan very much sing the same thing. find - not getting it, meghan very much sing the same thing.— not getting it, meghan very much sing the same thing. and i suppose, caroline, sing the same thing. and i suppose, caroline. the — sing the same thing. and i suppose, caroline, the interesting _ sing the same thing. and i suppose, caroline, the interesting thing, - sing the same thing. and i suppose, caroline, the interesting thing, we i caroline, the interesting thing, we spoke to our royal correspondent outside buckingham palace this morning about this, is when and if there will be a response from the royal family?— royal family? absolutely, that is what everybody _ royal family? absolutely, that is what everybody will _ royal family? absolutely, that is what everybody will be _ royal family? absolutely, that is what everybody will be looking i royal family? absolutely, that is i what everybody will be looking for, to see _ what everybody will be looking for, to see what response they might be, but also, _ to see what response they might be, but also, bear in mind it is still late _ but also, bear in mind it is still late sunday night here in los angeles, _ late sunday night here in los angeles, tomorrow, of course, there will be _ angeles, tomorrow, of course, there will be the _ angeles, tomorrow, of course, there will be the breakfast programme in ei-ht will be the breakfast programme in eight hours that go out here, and we are promised more revelations. there is a lot— are promised more revelations. there is a lot more — are promised more revelations. there is a lot more footage that was not shown— is a lot more footage that was not shown as — is a lot more footage that was not shown as part of that interview that is still— shown as part of that interview that is still to— shown as part of that interview that is still to come. this is not the end _ is still to come. this is not the end of— is still to come. this is not the end of the _ is still to come. this is not the end of the revelations. it is not 'ust end of the revelations. it is not just what— end of the revelations. it is not just what is contained in the two hours _ just what is contained in the two hours i— just what is contained in the two hours i say— just what is contained in the two hours. i say to ours, it was probably— hours. i say to ours, it was probably about an hour and an hour of adverts! — probably about an hour and an hour of adverts! i've never seen so many commercials — of adverts! i've never seen so many commercials in any programme ever. so definitely it was a moneyspinner. there _ so definitely it was a moneyspinner. there is— so definitely it was a moneyspinner. there is still more to come.- there is still more to come. thank ou ve there is still more to come. thank you very much _ there is still more to come. thank you very much indeed. _ there is still more to come. thank you very much indeed. i _ there is still more to come. thank you very much indeed. i think - there is still more to come. thank you very much indeed. i think you| you very much indeed. i think you both watch that. who watched it twice already? i both watch that. who watched it twice already?— both watch that. who watched it twice alread ? . , . twice already? i have seen it twice. you've both — twice already? i have seen it twice. you've both watched _ twice already? i have seen it twice. you've both watched it _ twice already? i have seen it twice. you've both watched it twice. - twice already? i have seen it twice. | you've both watched it twice. there is more to come. thank you very much indeed. thank you both for watching that and giving us your analysis. hopefully caroline fast forwarded the adverts second time around. we shall be discussing that interview throughout the course of the morning. we have a number of royal correspondence coming up for you. absolutely. sadly, some celebrations? yes, and i am going to point my little finger to this. can you work out what is happening? that is to rangers fans wearing steven gerrard masks. they are not twins! i had to look really closely. good morning. rangers are back at the top of scottish football, after winning their first premiership title since 2011. celtic�*s failure to beat dundee united sealed the title for steven gerrard's side. jane dougal reports. rangers players celebrated together at their training ground after watching celtic fail to beat dundee united, handing the title to their bitter rivals. past title winners also joined in from home. congratulations to glasgow rangers, stevie g and all the boys. honestly, you were magnificent this season. you deserve to be top of the league, deserve to make it 55. fans have had to wait a decade to see their team win a top tier trophy. theirjubilation saw hundreds ignore covid rules to gather outside ibrox, when confirmation came from almost 100 miles away. the wait is over. rangers are champions in scotland. ecstatic, man. words can't explain it. ten years of misery, and this — look at the place, man, bouncing. this — this is the best ever. over the moon. eh... it's been a long time coming. it ends ten years of turmoilfor rangers. financial difficulties saw the club liquidated, having to work its way up from the bottom. celtic dominated that decade, winning nine league trophies, but the arrival of former liverpool and england captain steven gerrard in 2018, has helped take rangers to their 55th title and his first silverware as a manager. rangers will lift that trophy inside ibrox at some point, but these fans will not be in the stands to watch it. for now, they'll have to be content with their team playing their next match at celtic park as champions of scotland. jane dougal, bbc news. manchester united ended manchester city's 21 game winning run, beating them 2—0 in the premier league at the etihad. united's goals came from a bruno fernandes penalty and luke shaw. united are up to second, still 11 points adrift of leaders city. liverpool extended their worst ever home run to six consecutive defeats, beaten 1—0 by fulham. mario lemina scored the goal. his side are still in the relegation zone, but only on goal difference. the liverpool manager admits it's one of the lowest points of his managerial spell. yes, it is. so... but that's not a problem, i'm not... ..i don't have to have to have always the best times of all, and that's it. this team is, erm, obviously is an extreme team if you want. we were extremely successful and we have an extreme situation as well. so, erm, but we will fight through that. gareth bale and harry kane both scored twice as tottenham beat crystal palace 4—1. bale has scored five times in his last four matches. elsewhere, west brom and newcastle drew 0—0. women's super league leaders chelsea beat west ham 2—0. beth england scored the second as chelsea became the first team in the wsl to win five consecutive away games without conceding a goal. keira walsh scored the only goal as second placed manchester city beat everton. elsewhere, there were wins for manchester united, arsenal and brighton. harlequins are up to third place in rugby's premiership, after beating northampton 37—19 at the stoop. quins ran in four tries to northampton's three, with brett herron crossing the line late on to pick up the bonus point. northampton remain fifth in the table. now, there could be a new name to watch out for in british athletics at the olympics this summer. keely hodgkinson only turned 19 last week, and in herfirst international event won the 800 metres at the european indoor championships. great britain's 12 medals in poland meant they finished third overall. she was 19 four days ago. congratulations to her. incredible. stayed up a bit too late last night watching the gulf. i thought lee westwood was going to win the arnold palmer but he got undone. are you disappointed you didn't —— we didn't show those pictures to remind you? fin we didn't show those pictures to remind you?— we didn't show those pictures to remind you? on the 18th hole he drove his shot _ remind you? on the 18th hole he drove his shot into _ remind you? on the 18th hole he drove his shot into a _ remind you? on the 18th hole he drove his shot into a divot. - remind you? on the 18th hole he drove his shot into a divot. he i drove his shot into a divot. he needed a birdie to tie things up and he couldn't get it. disappointed again. did he couldn't get it. disappointed aaain. , , ., he couldn't get it. disappointed aaain. , ., , he couldn't get it. disappointed aaain., ., , , he couldn't get it. disappointed aaain., ., , , again. did you actually stay up all niuht? no again. did you actually stay up all night? no comment! _ as we heard earlier, it's back to the classroom today for most children in england — and also some pupils in northern ireland. our ireland correspondent chris page is in belfast to tell us more. good morning. run us through which your groups are going back today? it is the big back to school day for pupils— is the big back to school day for pupils in— is the big back to school day for pupils in the first three years of primary— pupils in the first three years of primary school and also those in preschook — primary school and also those in preschool. so, for example, here at st paul's _ preschool. so, for example, here at st paul's primary school in west belfast — st paul's primary school in west belfast they are expecting around 200 children to be back to face—to—face learning for the first time _ face—to—face learning for the first time since — face—to—face learning for the first time since before christmas. it is a very international school, as you can see — very international school, as you can see. flags showing many of the different— can see. flags showing many of the different nationalities represented among _ different nationalities represented among the pupils here. and also, signs. _ among the pupils here. and also, signs. of— among the pupils here. and also, signs, of course, that these are not normal— signs, of course, that these are not normal times. signs, of course, that these are not normaltimes. down signs, of course, that these are not normal times. down here you have very colourful social distancing markers — very colourful social distancing markers reminding people just to keep— markers reminding people just to keep the — markers reminding people just to keep the magic two metres apart. it is a day— keep the magic two metres apart. it is a day there has been lots of preparations for. pupils and staff. i preparations for. pupils and staff. i am _ preparations for. pupils and staff. i am here — preparations for. pupils and staff. i am here to talk to the principal. sean, _ i am here to talk to the principal. sean. thank— i am here to talk to the principal. sean, thank you for opening up for us, even _ sean, thank you for opening up for us, even earlier than you usually do. us, even earlier than you usually do what— us, even earlier than you usually do. what are your thoughts today? well, _ do. what are your thoughts today? well, we're — do. what are your thoughts today? well, we're just delighted to see the children— well, we're just delighted to see the children coming _ well, we're just delighted to see the children coming of— well, we're just delighted to see the children coming of course, i well, we're just delighted to see - the children coming of course, there were laws— the children coming of course, there were laws be — the children coming of course, there were laws be concerns _ the children coming of course, there were laws be concerns around - the children coming of course, therel were laws be concerns around safety. at first _ were laws be concerns around safety. at first and _ were laws be concerns around safety. at first and foremost, _ were laws be concerns around safety. at first and foremost, our— were laws be concerns around safety. at first and foremost, our main- at first and foremost, our main concern — at first and foremost, our main concern is _ at first and foremost, our main concern is for _ at first and foremost, our main concern is for the _ at first and foremost, our main concern is for the children - at first and foremost, our main. concern is for the children coming back— concern is for the children coming back and — concern is for the children coming back and their— concern is for the children coming back and their welfare, _ concern is for the children coming back and their welfare, find - concern is for the children coming back and their welfare, find out i concern is for the children coming i back and their welfare, find out how they feel— back and their welfare, find out how they feel coming _ back and their welfare, find out how they feel coming back, _ back and their welfare, find out how they feel coming back, i— back and their welfare, find out how they feel coming back, i settled - they feel coming back, i settled there _ they feel coming back, i settled there we — they feel coming back, i settled there. we have _ they feel coming back, i settled there. we have most— they feel coming back, i settled there. we have most of- they feel coming back, i settled there. we have most of them i they feel coming back, i settled i there. we have most of them but they feel coming back, i settled - there. we have most of them but i'm sure, _ there. we have most of them but i'm sure. like _ there. we have most of them but i'm sure. like many— there. we have most of them but i'm sure, like many children, _ there. we have most of them but i'm sure, like many children, they- there. we have most of them but i'm sure, like many children, they have i sure, like many children, they have most _ sure, like many children, they have most us _ sure, like many children, they have most us much — sure, like many children, they have most us much more. _ sure, like many children, they have most us much more.— sure, like many children, they have most us much more. absolutely. for the best part — most us much more. absolutely. for the best part of _ most us much more. absolutely. for the best part of a _ most us much more. absolutely. for the best part of a term _ most us much more. absolutely. for the best part of a term now - most us much more. absolutely. for the best part of a term now you - most us much more. absolutely. forj the best part of a term now you have been _ the best part of a term now you have been on _ the best part of a term now you have been on remote learning. how has that been? — been on remote learning. how has that been? ., been on remote learning. how has that been?— that been? there are always challenges _ that been? there are always challenges with _ that been? there are always challenges with remote - that been? there are always - challenges with remote learning. within— challenges with remote learning. within this — challenges with remote learning. within this community— challenges with remote learning. within this community would - challenges with remote learning. i within this community would have a lot of— within this community would have a lot of social — within this community would have a lot of social deprivation, _ within this community would have a lot of social deprivation, a - within this community would have a lot of social deprivation, a lot - within this community would have a lot of social deprivation, a lot of- lot of social deprivation, a lot of children— lot of social deprivation, a lot of children who _ lot of social deprivation, a lot of children who won't _ lot of social deprivation, a lot of children who won't have - lot of social deprivation, a lot of children who won't have excessl lot of social deprivation, a lot of. children who won't have excess —— where _ children who won't have excess —— where access _ children who won't have excess —— where access to _ children who won't have excess —— where access to the _ children who won't have excess —— where access to the internet. - children who won't have excess —— where access to the internet. we. where access to the internet. we have _ where access to the internet. we have done — where access to the internet. we have done are _ where access to the internet. we have done are best— where access to the internet. we have done are best to _ where access to the internet. we have done are best to share - where access to the internet. we l have done are best to share some where access to the internet. we - have done are best to share some of the resources — have done are best to share some of the resources we _ have done are best to share some of the resources we have. _ have done are best to share some of the resources we have. we - have done are best to share some of the resources we have. we have - the resources we have. we have distributed — the resources we have. we have distributed some _ the resources we have. we have distributed some devices- the resources we have. we have distributed some devices and i the resources we have. we have i distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers _ distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers given _ distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers given to _ distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers given to us. _ distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers given to us. our- distributed some devices and wi—fi vouchers given to us. our staff - distributed some devices and wi—fii vouchers given to us. our staff have been _ vouchers given to us. our staff have been fantastic _ vouchers given to us. our staff have been fantastic. they _ vouchers given to us. our staff have been fantastic. they have _ vouchers given to us. our staff have been fantastic. they have risen - vouchers given to us. our staff have been fantastic. they have risen to i been fantastic. they have risen to the challenge, _ been fantastic. they have risen to the challenge, providing - been fantastic. they have risen to the challenge, providing a - been fantastic. they have risen to the challenge, providing a range i been fantastic. they have risen to. the challenge, providing a range of work _ the challenge, providing a range of work we _ the challenge, providing a range of work we have _ the challenge, providing a range of work. we have print— the challenge, providing a range of work. we have print copies - the challenge, providing a range of work. we have print copies and - the challenge, providing a range of. work. we have print copies and they are here _ work. we have print copies and they are here for— work. we have print copies and they are here for collection _ work. we have print copies and they are here for collection if— work. we have print copies and they are here for collection if parents - are here for collection if parents don't _ are here for collection if parents don't have — are here for collection if parents don't have access _ are here for collection if parents don't have access to _ are here for collection if parents don't have access to the - are here for collection if parentsl don't have access to the devices. are here for collection if parents - don't have access to the devices. we tried to _ don't have access to the devices. we tried to keep— don't have access to the devices. we tried to keep in— don't have access to the devices. we tried to keep in touch _ don't have access to the devices. we tried to keep in touch with _ don't have access to the devices. we tried to keep in touch with the - tried to keep in touch with the children— tried to keep in touch with the children as _ tried to keep in touch with the children as well— tried to keep in touch with the children as well by _ tried to keep in touch with the children as well by having - tried to keep in touch with the i children as well by having weekly meetings — children as well by having weekly meetings as— children as well by having weekly meetings as well. _ children as well by having weekly meetings as well. find _ children as well by having weekly meetings as well.— children as well by having weekly meetings as well. and 'ust finally, these three — meetings as well. and 'ust finally, these three year h meetings as well. and just finally, these three year groups _ meetings as well. and just finally, these three year groups are - meetings as well. and just finally, l these three year groups are coming back today — these three year groups are coming back today. people in older age groups— back today. people in older age groups are coming back. what you think— groups are coming back. what you think about — groups are coming back. what you think about that? if groups are coming back. what you think about that?— think about that? if i'd had my preference _ think about that? if i'd had my preference i— think about that? if i'd had my preference i would _ think about that? if i'd had my preference i would have - think about that? if i'd had my preference i would have had i think about that? if i'd had my i preference i would have had the older— preference i would have had the older children _ preference i would have had the older children back— preference i would have had the older children back first. - preference i would have had the older children back first. then i preference i would have had the i older children back first. then had the smaller— older children back first. then had the smaller children— older children back first. then had the smaller children start - older children back first. then had the smaller children start back. i. the smaller children start back. i can understand _ the smaller children start back. i can understand the _ the smaller children start back. i can understand the public - the smaller children start back. i can understand the public healthj can understand the public health difficulty— can understand the public health difficulty with — can understand the public health difficulty with trying _ can understand the public health difficulty with trying to _ can understand the public health difficulty with trying to manage i can understand the public health i difficulty with trying to manage all your groups — difficulty with trying to manage all your groups back, _ difficulty with trying to manage all your groups back, all— difficulty with trying to manage all your groups back, all of— difficulty with trying to manage all your groups back, all of the - difficulty with trying to manage all your groups back, all of the year. your groups back, all of the year groups— your groups back, all of the year groups coming _ your groups back, all of the year groups coming back, _ your groups back, all of the year groups coming back, prioritising| groups coming back, prioritising them _ groups coming back, prioritising them i— groups coming back, prioritising them i can _ groups coming back, prioritising them. i can understand - groups coming back, prioritising them. i can understand that - groups coming back, prioritising them. i can understand that butj groups coming back, prioritising. them. i can understand that but i probably— them. i can understand that but i probably would _ them. i can understand that but i probably would have _ them. i can understand that but i probably would have had - them. i can understand that but i probably would have had the - them. i can understand that but i - probably would have had the younger children— probably would have had the younger children back— probably would have had the younger children back to _ probably would have had the younger children back to stay— probably would have had the younger children back to stay back. _ children back to stay back. definitely _ children back to stay back. definitely some _ children back to stay back. i definitely some complexity. children back to stay back. - definitely some complexity. thank you very _ definitely some complexity. thank you very much indeed for talking to us live _ you very much indeed for talking to us live this — you very much indeed for talking to us live this morning. we will be back— us live this morning. we will be back here — us live this morning. we will be back here at st paul's in west belfast — back here at st paul's in west belfast around nine o'clock to see some _ belfast around nine o'clock to see some pupils and some teachers and how they— some pupils and some teachers and how they are settling in on this, which _ how they are settling in on this, which feels to all intents and purposes, like the start of a new term, _ purposes, like the start of a new term, even — purposes, like the start of a new term, even though we are actually coming _ term, even though we are actually coming to— term, even though we are actually coming to the end of the term. thank— coming to the end of the term. thank you. _ coming to the end of the term. thank you, chris. on the first day back at school for quite a few people, alarms going off round about now, earlierthan people, alarms going off round about now, earlier than it has been in recent times. and you are worried about the weather today. maybe. carol has the details. today is not too busy _ maybe. carol has the details. today is not too busy weather-wise. - maybe. carol has the details. today is not too busy weather—wise. things heat up in the middle of the week. good morning. today and much of the —— tomorrow, fairly settled weather. high pressure clinging on in the south. then we see rain and gales on wednesday. it looks like the stormiest weather will be on thursday but the rain will turn showery by then. today with high pressure still with us we have fronts across the country bringing in some rain. two week runs coming in some rain. two week runs coming in from the atlantic later. a wet start across parts of scotland and northern ireland, northern england and north wales. a cold and frosty start as we push further south. here there will be some sunshine. variable cloud. at the moment in bournemouth it is —1i. in edinburgh it is seven. we are looking at sunshine developing as this rain slips further south during the day. quite a bit of sunshine in south wales and south—west england. the temperature range roughly eight to 10 degrees. through this evening and overnight this week front travels further east. then we have got the next one coming in from the atlantic. in between there will be a fair bit of clout, clear skies. temperatures will fall away. these are the cabbages in towns and cities. in rural areas they will be below freezing and there will be for around as well. as we head into tuesday, this is the first week front moving not very quickly. then we have also got this next area of low pressure to start showing its hand from the atlantic. we have are first week front producing patchy rain. that will fizzle. you can see a lot of dry weather. some sunshine, some brightness. then the low pressure shows its hand later in the day, bringing in more persistent rain and stronger winds. 50 ma —— 55 mph in the western isles. if you are in the dry conditions in the sunshine attempt is getting up to between nine and ten. on wednesday a strong jet stream traps areas of low pressure. that is what is happening. we have a potent one coming our way on wednesday. it would bring in persistent rain and it will also bring in some windy conditions, especially to start within western areas. but if the rain rattling through quickly, showers coming in behind, some of them will be wintry in the hills. then there is more to come overnight on wednesday. and also into thursday. although thursday will turn showery, the winds will still be strong, even inland in the south. 60 mph gusts, potentially damaging. thank you. we're going to speak to annie lennox in a moment. it's international women's day, and she's launching a special campaign to help women and girls around the world. for that reason — and frankly, because it's a classic — we couldn't resist the chance to give you a quick blast of this. # sisters are doing it for themselves # standing on their own two feet # and ringing their own bells # sisters are doing it for themselves # yeah # now this is a song # to celebrate # the conscious liberation of the female state. ..# ijust wish we i just wish we could ijust wish we could play i just wish we could play the whole thing. that was annie in her eurythmics days. and shejoins us now from los angeles, along good morning to you. middle of the night, actually. good morning to you. middle of the night. actually-— good morning to you. middle of the night, actually. good morning. good to be here- — night, actually. good morning. good to be here. good _ night, actually. good morning. good to be here. good to _ night, actually. good morning. good to be here. good to have _ night, actually. good morning. good to be here. good to have an - night, actually. good morning. good to be here. good to have an excuse | to be here. good to have an excuse to be here. good to have an excuse to -la to be here. good to have an excuse to play that — to be here. good to have an excuse to play that song- _ to be here. good to have an excuse to play that song. it _ to be here. good to have an excuse to play that song. it is _ to play that song. it is international women's day and you are launching a campaign. tell us a little bit about it? we are launching a campaign. tell us a little bit about it?— little bit about it? we are launching _ little bit about it? we are launching a _ little bit about it? we are launching a campaign - little bit about it? we are i launching a campaign called little bit about it? we are _ launching a campaign called hashtag circles— launching a campaign called hashtag circles of— launching a campaign called hashtag circles of change. we are trying to reach _ circles of change. we are trying to reach out — circles of change. we are trying to reach out to — circles of change. we are trying to reach out to people to take pledges and tell— reach out to people to take pledges and tell us— reach out to people to take pledges and tell us who their inspirational women _ and tell us who their inspirational women are — and tell us who their inspirational women are in their lives. so that people _ women are in their lives. so that people can — women are in their lives. so that people can get on board. one of the bil people can get on board. one of the big challenges for the women's movement is to keep the inspiration going _ movement is to keep the inspiration going that— movement is to keep the inspiration going. that song, sisters are doing it going. that song, sisters are doing it for— going. that song, sisters are doing it for themselves, was written and recorded _ it for themselves, was written and recorded about 35 years ago. and the message _ recorded about 35 years ago. and the message is— recorded about 35 years ago. and the message isjust really, although we have made — message isjust really, although we have made so much development over those _ have made so much development over those years. _ have made so much development over those years, definitely in the western— those years, definitely in the western countries, we are still fighting — western countries, we are still fighting for genderjustice, fighting for gender justice, especially around fighting for genderjustice, especially around the developing countries in the global south, where women _ countries in the global south, where women are — countries in the global south, where women are facing just the most unimaginable challenges continuously. women and girls are really— continuously. women and girls are really sometimes not... we are not aware _ really sometimes not... we are not aware of— really sometimes not... we are not aware of what is happening in those countries _ aware of what is happening in those countries. listening to the song really— countries. listening to the song really makes me very reflective. and ithink— really makes me very reflective. and i think international women's day will give _ i think international women's day will give an opportunity, as it always— will give an opportunity, as it always does, to shine a light on the issues _ always does, to shine a light on the issues that— always does, to shine a light on the issues that women and girls face everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted — everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted to _ everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted to say _ everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted to say we _ everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted to say we are _ everywhere around the world. any, we are delighted to say we are also - are delighted to say we are also joined by the chief executive of the circle, the overarching charity involved. raakhi shah, who is in oxfordshire. thank you for being with us. give us an idea about the overarching job of the circle, what the charity does? yeah, the circle supports women and .irls yeah, the circle supports women and girls around — yeah, the circle supports women and girls around the — yeah, the circle supports women and girls around the world, _ yeah, the circle supports women and girls around the world, particularly i girls around the world, particularly in some _ girls around the world, particularly in some of— girls around the world, particularly in some of the _ girls around the world, particularly in some of the world's _ girls around the world, particularly in some of the world's most - in some of the world's most vulnerable _ in some of the world's most vulnerable countries - in some of the world's most vulnerable countries and - in some of the world's most. vulnerable countries and also in some of the world's most - vulnerable countries and also in the uk. vulnerable countries and also in the uk for— vulnerable countries and also in the uk. for international— vulnerable countries and also in the uk. for international women's - vulnerable countries and also in the uk. for international women's dayl uk. for international women's day this year. _ uk. for international women's day this year. as — uk. for international women's day this year, as annie _ uk. for international women's day this year, as annie said, _ uk. for international women's day this year, as annie said, it - uk. for international women's day this year, as annie said, it is- uk. for international women's day this year, as annie said, it is a - this year, as annie said, it is a really— this year, as annie said, it is a really important _ this year, as annie said, it is a really important moment - this year, as annie said, it is a really important moment in. this year, as annie said, it is al really important moment in the global— really important moment in the global calendar _ really important moment in the global calendar to— really important moment in the global calendar to shine - really important moment in the global calendar to shine a - really important moment in the global calendar to shine a light| really important moment in the i global calendar to shine a light on women _ global calendar to shine a light on women and — global calendar to shine a light on women and girls _ global calendar to shine a light on women and girls around _ global calendar to shine a light on women and girls around the - global calendar to shine a light onl women and girls around the world. global calendar to shine a light on- women and girls around the world. we have launched — women and girls around the world. we have launched a — women and girls around the world. we have launched a campaign _ women and girls around the world. we have launched a campaign called - have launched a campaign called circles— have launched a campaign called circles of— have launched a campaign called circles of chains. _ have launched a campaign called circles of chains. it _ have launched a campaign called circles of chains. it is _ have launched a campaign called circles of chains. it is a - have launched a campaign called circles of chains. it is a positive i circles of chains. it is a positive uplifting — circles of chains. it is a positive uplifting campaign— circles of chains. it is a positive uplifting campaign for- circles of chains. it is a positive - uplifting campaign for international women's _ uplifting campaign for international women's day— uplifting campaign for international women's day this _ uplifting campaign for international women's day this year. _ uplifting campaign for international women's day this year. and - uplifting campaign for international women's day this year. and we - uplifting campaign for international. women's day this year. and we would love everybody— women's day this year. and we would love everybody to _ women's day this year. and we would love everybody to get _ women's day this year. and we would love everybody to get involved. - women's day this year. and we would love everybody to get involved. it - love everybody to get involved. it is a day _ love everybody to get involved. it is a day to — love everybody to get involved. it is a day to celebrate _ love everybody to get involved. it is a day to celebrate women. - love everybody to get involved. it is a day to celebrate women. so i love everybody to get involved. it i is a day to celebrate women. so we love people — is a day to celebrate women. so we love people to— is a day to celebrate women. so we love people to go— is a day to celebrate women. so we love people to go on _ is a day to celebrate women. so we love people to go on social - is a day to celebrate women. so we love people to go on social media i love people to go on social media and upload — love people to go on social media and upload we— love people to go on social media and upload. we have _ love people to go on social media and upload. we have got - love people to go on social media and upload. we have got a - love people to go on social media and upload. we have got a whole| love people to go on social media i and upload. we have got a whole lot of lovely _ and upload. we have got a whole lot of lovely pledges _ and upload. we have got a whole lot of lovely pledges people _ and upload. we have got a whole lot of lovely pledges people can - and upload. we have got a whole lot of lovely pledges people can take. i of lovely pledges people can take. upload _ of lovely pledges people can take. upload them — of lovely pledges people can take. upload them to _ of lovely pledges people can take. upload them to social— of lovely pledges people can take. upload them to social media, - of lovely pledges people can take. upload them to social media, tagi of lovely pledges people can take. i upload them to social media, tag the inspiring _ upload them to social media, tag the inspiring women _ upload them to social media, tag the inspiring women in _ upload them to social media, tag the inspiring women in their— upload them to social media, tag the inspiring women in their lives - upload them to social media, tag the inspiring women in their lives to - inspiring women in their lives to take _ inspiring women in their lives to take the — inspiring women in their lives to take the pledge. _ inspiring women in their lives to take the pledge, whether- inspiring women in their lives to take the pledge, whether it - inspiring women in their lives to take the pledge, whether it is i inspiring women in their lives to take the pledge, whether it is a| take the pledge, whether it is a donation — take the pledge, whether it is a donation to— take the pledge, whether it is a donation to activate _ take the pledge, whether it is a donation to activate activists, i take the pledge, whether it is a i donation to activate activists, lots of different — donation to activate activists, lots of different ways _ donation to activate activists, lots of different ways to _ donation to activate activists, lots of different ways to get _ donation to activate activists, lots of different ways to get involved. i donation to activate activists, lots. of different ways to get involved. a really _ of different ways to get involved. a really lovely — of different ways to get involved. a really lovely campaign. _ of different ways to get involved. a really lovely campaign. and - of different ways to get involved. aj really lovely campaign. and tonight we have _ really lovely campaign. and tonight we have got— really lovely campaign. and tonight we have got an _ really lovely campaign. and tonight we have got an event _ really lovely campaign. and tonight we have got an event coming - really lovely campaign. and tonight we have got an event coming up. i we have got an event coming up. annie _ we have got an event coming up. annie is— we have got an event coming up. annie is going _ we have got an event coming up. annie is going to— we have got an event coming up. annie is going to be _ we have got an event coming up. annie is going to be in— we have got an event coming up. i annie is going to be in conversation with lots— annie is going to be in conversation with lots of— annie is going to be in conversation with lots of inspiring _ annie is going to be in conversation with lots of inspiring women. - annie is going to be in conversation with lots of inspiring women. and i with lots of inspiring women. and there _ with lots of inspiring women. and there will— with lots of inspiring women. and there will be _ with lots of inspiring women. and there will be a _ with lots of inspiring women. and there will be a special— with lots of inspiring women. and. there will be a special performance as welt _ there will be a special performance as well. �* , there will be a special performance as well. . , i. there will be a special performance as well. . , .,~ ., there will be a special performance aswell. , ., as well. any, you make that point that was recorded _ as well. any, you make that point that was recorded 35 _ as well. any, you make that point that was recorded 35 years - as well. any, you make that point that was recorded 35 years ago. i | that was recorded 35 years ago. i can't believe it was that long ago. there have been changes. what are the things you are most worried haven't changed?— the things you are most worried haven't chanced? ~ . .. haven't changed? well, at the moment the bill gates — haven't changed? well, at the moment the bill gates foundation _ haven't changed? well, at the moment the bill gates foundation have - haven't changed? well, at the moment the bill gates foundation have just - the bill gates foundation have just made _ the bill gates foundation have just made a _ the bill gates foundation have just made a statement to say that the covert _ made a statement to say that the covert pandemic is actually pant —— potentially — covert pandemic is actually pant —— potentially turn back all the gains that were — potentially turn back all the gains that were made by the women's movement by 25 years. so that means, you know. _ movement by 25 years. so that means, you know, that since the time sisters— you know, that since the time sisters are doing it for themselves was released, we have only come forward _ was released, we have only come forward to— was released, we have only come forward to ten years. and it is very. — forward to ten years. and it is very. very— forward to ten years. and it is very, very concerning. there has been _ very, very concerning. there has been an— very, very concerning. there has been an extreme rise in the acts of violence. _ been an extreme rise in the acts of violence, domestic violence and violence — violence, domestic violence and violence against women. it went up exponentially right after the lockdown started. and it is extremely concerning because, as you can imagine. — extremely concerning because, as you can imagine, it is a nightmarish situation. — can imagine, it is a nightmarish situation, potentially, that women are having — situation, potentially, that women are having to face. so their requirements, their needs have been exacerbated by the covert pandemic in every— exacerbated by the covert pandemic in every single aspect of their lives — in every single aspect of their lives. ., ' ' .. in every single aspect of their lives. ., " ., . lives. -- covid-19 to pandemic. i know it's — lives. -- covid-19 to pandemic. i know it's a _ lives. -- covid-19 to pandemic. i know it's a really _ lives. -- covid-19 to pandemic. i know it's a really important - lives. -- covid-19 to pandemic. i know it's a really important topici know it's a really important topic we are talking about it this morning. away from the charity, how is the last year been for yourself in terms of working on music? what have you got coming up in the pipeline? it have you got coming up in the --ieline? . . . have you got coming up in the nieline? . , ., 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speak to you. if it is available to you. annie - lennox, lovely to speak to you. and rocky shah. thank you for your time. thank you. rocky shah. thank you for your time. thank ou. �* ., , ., , thank you. annie lennox before seven o'clock in the — thank you. annie lennox before seven o'clock in the morning. _ thank you. annie lennox before seven o'clock in the morning. that _ thank you. annie lennox before seven o'clock in the morning. that is - o'clock in the morning. that is good, isn't it? time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning, i'm sonja jessup. the family of a woman from brixton who's been missing for more than four days say they're desperate for news. sarah everard left a friend's house in clapham on wednesday night. she was picked up on cctv walking along the south circular about half an hour later but hasn't been seen since. children across the capital are returning to school today as lockdown begins to ease and all this week, bbc london will be focusing on one community in roehampton, looking at how they've coped during the pandemic. heathmere primary school on the alton estate has been preparing to welcome all its pupils back to class. teachers and staff who work in schools, we have a really robust risk assessment. i think people understand how to keep themselves safe. we know so much more about covid than we did during the first lockdown. we know what we need to do to keep ourselves safe. if we have to close a bubble, we close it. we've got the remote learning plans in place. so i'm feeling positive about it because i'm looking forward to having the children back and i think it will probably be how it was in september. meanwhile there's a surprise for children returning to brampton park primary in bexley heath today. 380 teddies have been donated by the parent and teacher association to offer a bit of extra comfort to any pupils anxious about coming back to class. staff and visitors at guy's and st thomas' hospital in south london will be greeted by this new an art installation called the tunnel of light. nine metres long, it's designed to represent a symbol of hope as lockdown eases. let's take a look at the travel situation now. on the tube there's a signal failure on the bakerloo line. it's not running between stonebridge park and harrow & wealdstone. on the roads, this is is how it looks on the highway, traffic building there as usual heading into central london from shadwell towards tower hill. in stratford, waddington road is blocked because a building caught fire. ten fire engines are down there at the moment. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it's a chilly, frosty start to the new working week, temperatures in some of our southern home counties down as low as —3, minus four celsius. a little milder further north, a bit more in the way of cloud here. as we head throughout the day to day, then the cloud will tend to break up. we should all see some spells of sunshine on and off. the winds are light and it will stay dry, certainly milder than it was over the weekend. in fact most of us will see double figures, nine to 11 celsius. as we head through this evening and overnight again, it's going to be cold, but perhaps not quite as chilly as the nightjust gone. nevertheless, where we see some lengthy clear spells, temperatures will drop to slightly below freezing and it will stay dry and the winds are fairly light. now, tomorrow, again, plenty more sunshine to come. it should stay dry throughout the day. it will feel even milder still, 11 or 12 celsius. as we head through the afternoon, the cloud is set to thicken and the wind could pick up as well by the end of the day. very wet, very windy at times as we head through wednesday and thursday. i'm back in half an hour. there's more on our website at the usual address. good morning, welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. our headlines today. harry and meghan's explosive interview with oprah. the duchess of sussex says she found it so difficult she "didn't want to be alive any more". so, were you thinking of harming yourself, were you having suicidal thoughts? yes, this was very, very clear. she also revealed questions were asked within the royal household about the colour of archie's skin while she was pregnant. shocking, powerful, and deeply personal. meghan and harry reveal their struggles and sadness with royal life. also on breakfast, it's back to school for millions of children in england. just a week into march and rangers are scottish champions. ten years after their last title. hundreds of fans celebrate outside ibrox despite covid safety warnings. good morning. we have had some rain across the northern half of the country today, slowly easing through the course of the latter part of the morning into the afternoon. further south, cold and frosty but some sunshine. into the middle of the week, it is going to turn a much windier. all of the details later on in the programme. it's monday march 8th. our top story. the duke and duchess of sussex have accused the royal family of failing to protect them even when meghan was suffering from suicidal thoughts and harry was in what he called "a dark place". in an interview broadcast on us television, the couple revealed intimate details of their rift, including a claim that one member of the royal household had expressed concern to harry about how their children would look. our royal correspondent daniela relph has this report. the duchess of sussex didn't hold back. she described a royal life of loneliness and isolation that left her in the darkest of places. so, were you thinking of harming yourself, were you having suicidal thoughts? yes, this was very, very clear. wow. very clear and very scary. and, you know, i didn't know who to even turn to in that. these are the thoughts that i'm having the middle of the night that are very clear, and i'm scared, because this is very real. this isn't some abstract idea, this is methodical, and this is not who i am. meghan described feeling unsupported by what she called the institution. the duke and duchess of sussex! she talked about this charity event in january 2019. she said just before leaving, she told her husband that she'd thought about taking her own life. she describes how the glamour on the outside hid the pain on the inside. wait, listen, did you hearthat? the interview was personal, revealing, and at times, shocking. she told oprah winfrey that her son archie's mixed race heritage was an issue. that when pregnant, someone within the palace questioned how her child would look. in those months when i was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title. and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. what? and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? i think that would be very damaging to them. the interview highlighted strained relations within the royal family. meghan said media reports claiming she made her sister—in—law, the duchess of cambridge, cry, were false. in fact, it was the other way round, she said, and kate had apologised. when harryjoined the conversation with oprah, he described how he felt both his brother and father were trapped within the royal family. of william, he said their relationship now needed space and he hoped it would heal. and he revealed a rift with his father. there's a lot to work through there. i feel really let down. because he's been through something similar. he knows what pain feels like. and this is... and archie's his grandson. but at the same time, of course, i will always love him. but there is a lot of hurt that's happened. there were lighter moments as well. the new baby is a girl, due in the summer. and life in california has brought the couple peace. this is, of course, one side of the story. but the interview is deeply critical of the royal family and its staff. it was a portrait of an institution unable or unwilling to help those struggling within it. daniela relph, bbc news. daniela is outside buckingham palace this morning. i know you have watched it in detail and described it as shocking, revealing, what are the main concerns, do you think, for the palace? there are semi meeting they talked about, aren't there? —— there are so many things they talked about? . are so many things they talked about? , , ,., are so many things they talked about? , , . ., about? yes, there is so much to unick. about? yes, there is so much to unpick- some — about? yes, there is so much to unpick. some things _ about? yes, there is so much to unpick. some things are - about? yes, there is so much to - unpick. some things are particularly noticeable. the clear discomfort the couple felt being asked that question about archie before he was born and how dark his skin might be. and the area around meghan's mental health, i think that is a real problem for buckingham palace potentially because meghan very clearly says in this interview that she asked for help. she sought out help from officials within the palace when she was feeling unwell, feeling like she couldn't cope. feeling that she needed some help and support from somewhere. and it never came. she was told, she said, that shejust had never came. she was told, she said, that she just had to put up with it, it was one of those things that came with all the trappings of royal life. for her that wasn't good enough and that was the point that her and harry felt that they had to make the significant change and move away from the uk. those areas are particularly difficult and uncomfortable for palace official. can we expect an official response, do you think? it’s can we expect an official response, do you think?— do you think? it's difficult to 'udue. i do you think? it's difficult to judge. ithink— do you think? it's difficult to judge. i think it _ do you think? it's difficult to judge. i think it is _ do you think? it's difficult to judge. i think it is possible i do you think? it's difficult to i judge. i think it is possible but do you think? it's difficult to - judge. i think it is possible but we don't know at the moment. you could expect those royal officials from within the royal household, senior members of the royal family as well, they will want some time to digest and think about what meghan and harry told oprah winfrey during that interview and decide whether they feel they need to respond to it in any way. it isn't really their style and a lot of the content in that interview was deeply personal and you wonder whether they will want to be drawn into any discussion about that. having said that, it was very direct and critical of some of the actions within the palace walls. buckingham palace may feel that they want to say something in response. there have of course been interviews over the years from members of the royal family over the years from members of the royalfamily which over the years from members of the royal family which have over the years from members of the royalfamily which have made news headlines, around the world. how do you put this in that context as well? i you put this in that context as well? .. . . you put this in that context as well? ~ , ., ., . ., well? i think it is a match for some ofthe well? i think it is a match for some of the previous _ well? i think it is a match for some of the previous interviews - well? i think it is a match for some of the previous interviews we - well? i think it is a match for some of the previous interviews we have | of the previous interviews we have seen over the years, over the decades, in terms of diana, prince andrew last year. it holds its place within the history of those kind of interviews. we were prepared of course that this was going to be pretty dramatic, we had had the teasers last week, rather dramatic trailers from the the us and i think it matched up to that billing if not superseded it in some ways. we heard more than we expected and we definitely had more on a very personal level from meghan about how she was feeling within what she saw to be the confines of her royal life. . ~' to be the confines of her royal life. . ~ ,., to be the confines of her royal life. . ~ ,. y to be the confines of her royal life. . ~ y., , ., ., life. thank you. plenty of reaction overni . ht life. thank you. plenty of reaction overnight as _ life. thank you. plenty of reaction overnight as many _ life. thank you. plenty of reaction overnight as many of _ life. thank you. plenty of reaction overnight as many of us _ life. thank you. plenty of reaction overnight as many of us are - life. thank you. plenty of reaction. overnight as many of us are waking up overnight as many of us are waking up to this interview. the tennis player serena williams is among the celebrity friends of harry and meghan to have given a reaction to the interview on social media. she paid tribute to meghan on twitter. she finished by saying that she wants meghan's daughter, her own daughter and all daughters to "live in a society driven by respect." let's get more reaction now from both sides of the atlantic. kj matthews is an entertainment journalist based in los angeles, and roya nikkah is the sunday times royal correspondent, she joins us from london. good morning, good evening, a combination of both! kj, let's come to you, anyone who watched this programme yesterday will have seen you talking about this interview before this interview went out. now you have watched it in full, give us your thought on how you felt they came across and what question it brought up. i’m came across and what question it brought up— came across and what question it brou:-htu.�* , , ,, ., brought up. i'm still processing all that i brought up. i'm still processing all that i had- — brought up. i'm still processing all that i had- i _ brought up. i'm still processing all that i had. i expected _ brought up. i'm still processing all that i had. i expected to _ brought up. i'm still processing all that i had. i expected to hear - brought up. i'm still processing all| that i had. i expected to hear some revelations, but i never imagined i would hear that many revelations. i mean, there were so many bombshells, i don't know which one to focus on. surprising, shocking, it really didn't go over well here in terms of the monarchy and the image that we have over them. it really made us look, i don't know, somewhat differently at the monarchy. when it comes to prince harry and meghan, we feel much more sympathetic to them now. i think we have a better understanding ofjust why now. i think we have a better understanding of just why they felt they had to cut ties with the british royal family. they had to cut ties with the british royalfamily. and i think some people here really feel sorry for her. especially the issue that she brought up about feeling suicidal, the fact that she brought up suicidal, the fact that she brought up the possibility that they were talking about the skin colour of her unborn son. i think that in a million years, we would have never thought that she was experiencing that. and so it will be hard, i think, for us to change now from what we have heard, and see the monarchy in a positive light. i think that from the moment she was engaged to prince harry, we all thought very flattering things about the british monarchy, we were happy to see her be introduced and welcomed into the family. but now with all these allegations and these bombshells, it isjust with all these allegations and these bombshells, it is just hard to see them in the same way. i do believe their image has been tarnished. from what i'm seeing on social media here in america especially, i haven't seen one sympathetic viewpoint siding with anybody in the royal family. siding with anybody in the royal famil . �* . siding with anybody in the royal famil . v . .. siding with anybody in the royal famil . �*, ., ,, ., siding with anybody in the royal famil. �*, ., ,, ., family. let's talk to you as well, ro a, i family. let's talk to you as well, roya. i know — family. let's talk to you as well, roya. i know you _ family. let's talk to you as well, roya, i know you watched - family. let's talk to you as well, roya, i know you watched this i family. let's talk to you as well, i roya, i know you watched this very closely overnight. kj mentioned bombshells, what are the things that really, so many things came out of it but what stood out for you? you're right, i could hardly believe 'ust you're right, i could hardly believe just how— you're right, i could hardly believe just how far— you're right, i could hardly believe just how far they went. the things that really— just how far they went. the things that really stood out for me were, i think— that really stood out for me were, i think exactly what kj mentioned. the claim from _ think exactly what kj mentioned. the claim from meghan that she was feeling _ claim from meghan that she was feeling suicidal, that she wanted to check— feeling suicidal, that she wanted to check into— feeling suicidal, that she wanted to check into a hospital or some sort of facility— check into a hospital or some sort of facility and was told that she could _ of facility and was told that she could not— of facility and was told that she could not buy someone in the institution, by hr, that they could not help— institution, by hr, that they could not help her. those allegations about _ not help her. those allegations about race, about her unborn child, that she _ about race, about her unborn child, that she says were from a member of the royal— that she says were from a member of the royal family, and neither she nor harry— the royal family, and neither she nor harry would identify that person _ nor harry would identify that person. but i think also the very personal— person. but i think also the very personal relationships that we now have. _ personal relationships that we now have. the — personal relationships that we now have, the likes of things that we have _ have, the likes of things that we have written about, we have a greater— have written about, we have a greater understanding of what a terrible — greater understanding of what a terrible state they are in. hearing prince _ terrible state they are in. hearing prince harry talk about the rift with _ prince harry talk about the rift with his — prince harry talk about the rift with his father, he said his father stopped — with his father, he said his father stopped taking his calls when he was in canada _ stopped taking his calls when he was in canada try to talk about leaving the royal— in canada try to talk about leaving the royal family, in canada try to talk about leaving the royalfamily, his in canada try to talk about leaving the royal family, his relationship with william, he said it needs space — with william, he said it needs space. the extraordinary claim from meghan— space. the extraordinary claim from meghan that that story we have heard that she _ meghan that that story we have heard that she was making kate cry, it was actually _ that she was making kate cry, it was actually kate making her cry. and i think— actually kate making her cry. and i think kj _ actually kate making her cry. and i think kj hit— actually kate making her cry. and i think kj hit the nail on the head. let's _ think kj hit the nail on the head. let's see — think kj hit the nail on the head. let's see what the palace come out and say— let's see what the palace come out and say and — let's see what the palace come out and say and i think we will get a statement from the palace at some point. _ statement from the palace at some point. they— statement from the palace at some point, they will think very long and carefully— point, they will think very long and carefully about how to respond. but there _ carefully about how to respond. but there is _ carefully about how to respond. but there is now a narrative that has been _ there is now a narrative that has been set — there is now a narrative that has been set by harry and meghan which effectively paints a picture of a royal— effectively paints a picture of a royal family that is racist. and that is, royal family that is racist. and that is. you — royal family that is racist. and that is, you know, _ royal family that is racist. and that is, you know, one - royal family that is racist. fific that is, you know, one of the royal family that is racist. a"ic that is, you know, one of the key points of the interview. talking about a response from the palace, this is one side of that argument, that debate going on that we have heard. i wonder, that debate going on that we have heard. iwonder, something that debate going on that we have heard. i wonder, something else prince harry talked about was the feeling in and the understanding of their reputation that the royal family has in the british press. do you think that will make them bring some sort of response quicker or make them think very carefully about what they say? fit" make them think very carefully about what they say?— what they say? our understanding is that i don't think — what they say? our understanding is that i don't think the _ what they say? our understanding is that i don't think the palace - what they say? our understanding is that i don't think the palace will - that i don't think the palace will rush— that i don't think the palace will rush anything out on this. the point that harry— rush anything out on this. the point that harry made is absolutely interesting. we know that he felt like that. — interesting. we know that he felt like that, we saw that claim in the book— like that, we saw that claim in the book that — like that, we saw that claim in the book that came out last year, that members — book that came out last year, that members of the royal family care more _ members of the royal family care more about their reputation in the media _ more about their reputation in the media than— more about their reputation in the media than their own family relationships. personally, i've never— relationships. personally, i've never seen that, as someone who has been a _ never seen that, as someone who has been a royal— never seen that, as someone who has been a royal correspondent for ten years. _ been a royal correspondent for ten years. it's — been a royal correspondent for ten years, it's quite a claim. i think we have — years, it's quite a claim. i think we have also got to remember that harry— we have also got to remember that harry talks — we have also got to remember that harry talks about hoping to heal these _ harry talks about hoping to heal these relationships with his brother. _ these relationships with his brother, his father. i have to say, after— brother, his father. i have to say, after what — brother, his father. i have to say, after what i — brother, his father. i have to say, after what i saw last night, that is going _ after what i saw last night, that is going to _ after what i saw last night, that is going to be quite a feat. kj, after what i saw last night, that is going to be quite a feat.— going to be quite a feat. kj, let's ick u- going to be quite a feat. kj, let's pick up that _ going to be quite a feat. kj, let's pick up that thought. _ going to be quite a feat. kj, let's pick up that thought. as - going to be quite a feat. kj, let's pick up that thought. as you - going to be quite a feat. kj, let's| pick up that thought. as you both have indicated, there is so much in this interview, and there's still more to come. that is what we had at the end of it. more to come. that is what we had at the end of it— the end of it. yeah, i am hearing now that oprah _ the end of it. yeah, i am hearing now that oprah will— the end of it. yeah, i am hearing now that oprah will appear - the end of it. yeah, i am hearing now that oprah will appear live i the end of it. yeah, i am hearing | now that oprah will appear live on the cbs morning show tomorrow here in america to reveal and show clips of the interview that we have not seen. so there is even more, there could be more bombshells tomorrow morning that we see. it's the gift that keeps on giving here and it is quite shocking. so i will be surprised to see what else you can drop on us after she dropped so many kernels today here. just drop on us after she dropped so many kernels today here.— kernels today here. just briefly, kj, they are _ kernels today here. just briefly, kj, they are friends _ kernels today here. just briefly, kj, they are friends with - kernels today here. just briefly, kj, they are friends with oprah l kernels today here. just briefly, i kj, they are friends with oprah but she set out right at the beginning that there was nothing off limits. right, oprah's interviewing style is to push and prod in a positive way. the thing i loved about this interview is that meghan markle would make a statement, and sometimes it would be vague, but oprah would go right in there and push and prod it, specifically when she talked about the fact that there were people who are talking about how dark archie's skin would be. she really tried to push her and nail her down as two, when did that happen, and specifically, who said that? she wanted to know. she was just like all of us sitting on the couch basically saying, tell us, who, what, when, why and where, and she had all these follow—up questions. sometimes it was uncomfortable but that is herjob as a journalist, even though she's friends with them and live in the same area minutes away. i think she did a phenomenaljob. it will probably have higher ratings than her most successful interview to date which is the interview she did with michael tracks in 1993. i think it will blow that out of the water. you talk about the relationships that have been broken, how deep are these ramifications? thea;r that have been broken, how deep are these ramifications?— these ramifications? they are potentially — these ramifications? they are potentially huge, _ these ramifications? they are potentially huge, let's - these ramifications? they are potentially huge, let's see i these ramifications? they are i potentially huge, let's see what these ramifications? they are - potentially huge, let's see what the palace _ potentially huge, let's see what the palace says. what is really interesting to me is that harry and meghan— interesting to me is that harry and meghan made a concerted decision that they— meghan made a concerted decision that they wanted to put these claims about— that they wanted to put these claims about the _ that they wanted to put these claims about the royal family out there, about— about the royal family out there, about harry's family, meghan's family— about harry's family, meghan's family out there. i think that is going — family out there. i think that is going to — family out there. i think that is going to need a lot of undertaking in itself _ going to need a lot of undertaking in itself i— going to need a lot of undertaking in itself. i know the palace will be thinking _ in itself. i know the palace will be thinking extremely carefully about how to _ thinking extremely carefully about how to respond to which of these allegations, and i think all eyes will be — allegations, and i think all eyes will be on — allegations, and i think all eyes will be on what statement comes out of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much. both — of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, both of— of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, both of you. _ of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, both of you. thank— of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, both of you. thank you - of buckingham palace soon. thank you so much, both of you. thank you for i so much, both of you. thank you for your time this morning. lots of you talking about that interview this morning. it is a big one, and there are lots of explosive things that have come out of it. we are trying to undertake some of those this morning and take you through what the future holds as well. as roya was saying, probably not today but in the future, we expect some sort of response from the palace about that interview from oprah winfrey. we are going to be telling you the time a lot this morning because i know lots of you are taking your children back to school this morning, it is 7:17am! here's carol with a look at the weather. good morning. the weather will be quieter than it has been, but on wednesday we are looking at rain and gales, and on thursday the rain is more showery, but then we will have the strongest winds particularly in the strongest winds particularly in the south, could be damaging gusts of wind. for northern ireland, parts of wind. for northern ireland, parts of scotland, northern england, north west wales and the north midlands we have rain, that is pushing south through the day and turning patchy. cloudy with spots of rain on and off in northern ireland and western scotland but brightening up in the north—east of scotland and for the rest of wales, southern england, after a cold start and into the south—west, we will see some decent spells of sunshine, cloud building at times. temperatures generally between eight and 10 degrees. through the evening and overnight, the weather front is still a weak feature. clear skies in the south means that temperatures will fall away in rural areas, low enough for some frost. then we have a week weather front and then another one coming our way producing some patchy rain. a chilly night and a chilly start tomorrow, and where we have the clear start we will have some sunshine. it would be dry for many of us tomorrow with variable cloud. the week weather front will be replaced by low pressure coming from the atlantic and strong winds gusting up to 50 miles an hour in the western isles but we are keeping a close eye on wednesday and thursday. as we've been hearing, today is a key moment in england's so—called "road map" to lifting the lockdown. let's remind ourselves how the rules are changing from today. all schools and colleges will fully re—open to all pupils, with secondary school students needing to test negative for covid first and wear face coverings while inside. university students on practical courses can go back today and there'll be a review by the end of the easter holidays for all other students. those in england can now meet up with one person from outside their own household for recreation as long as it's outside and in a public place. so that could be a coffee on a bench, or even a picnic in a park. and care home residents can have one nominated regular visitor who will need to wear ppe, take a rapid covid test and "keep physical contact to a minimum", which means holding hands is allowed, but hugging and kissing remain forbidden. let's explore the thinking behind these new rules with one of our regular guests. professor calum semple, who is a professor of child health and outbreak medicine at the university of liverpool. he's also a member of sage but is speaking to us in his personal capacity. thank you very much, professor, always fascinating to speak to you. as we mentioned, lots of parents and pupils preparing to go back to school for the first time in a while. the question many will be asking is, is it safe? what can you tell us this morning?— tell us this morning? let's go throu~h tell us this morning? let's go through it _ tell us this morning? let's go through it in _ tell us this morning? let's go through it in order. _ tell us this morning? let's go through it in order. is - tell us this morning? let's go through it in order. is it - tell us this morning? let's go| through it in order. is it safe? tell us this morning? let's go - through it in order. is it safe? for the pupils, absolutely, the study i have done just on some follow—up work in the second wave and we can still be very confident that otherwise healthy children at school age are not severely affected by covid so end of, it is safe for children. the subtle transmission question, bringing the covid home, primary school children are half as likely to have had it in half as likely to have had it in half as likely to have had it in half as likely to transmit it, secondary schoolchildren slightly less because they have effectively the biology of an adult, but they are less than a quarter of likelihood to have had it and transmit it. the main driver is not the pupil and teacher relationship, when we talk about schools, it is the fact that the schools, it is the fact that the school brings adults together, whether that is teaching staff, domestic staff, catering staff, and it is an opportunity for mixing. we don't feel that school to do with the pupils and education, is the risk, it's the fact that schools are a place of work. so that aspect does not appear to be any greater than many other places of work. in my opinion, it is safe. and we are putting it together with other packages of care, so the hand washing, mask wearing in secondary schools, and the lateral flow testing. an improved ventilation. with that package altogether, i think it is safe for schools to go back. ,., think it is safe for schools to go back. , ., think it is safe for schools to go back. ,. . ~' think it is safe for schools to go back. y., , ,, ., back. do you still think that we will see a _ back. do you still think that we will see a rise _ back. do you still think that we will see a rise in _ back. do you still think that we will see a rise in cases, - back. do you still think that we will see a rise in cases, and i back. do you still think that we will see a rise in cases, and at| will see a rise in cases, and at what level would we be concerned, if the r number was to go back above one, should we be concerned? is that a risk worth taking? i'm sure that is a thought through many people's mines this morning. i’m is a thought through many people's mines this morning.— mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see — mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a _ mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a rise _ mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a rise in _ mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a rise in cases - mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a rise in cases and - mines this morning. i'm quite sure we will see a rise in cases and this| we will see a rise in cases and this is why there is a race to get all of the adults vaccinated, particularly the adults vaccinated, particularly the adults vaccinated, particularly the adults in a high risk group vaccinated. so it is inevitable that we will see a rise in cases. but it doesn't a chilly matter so much if r is just above one or below one, what is just above one or below one, what is going to matter is the number of cases going to hospital and needing intensive care. one in five cases in intensive care. one in five cases in intensive care. one in five cases in intensive care is people under the age of 50 so the idea that we can relax because vulnerable groups have been vaccinated is wrong, and we need to get younger adults fully engaged and vaccinated in order for them to be saved as well. you mention to — them to be saved as well. you mention to those _ them to be saved as well. you mention to those other- them to be saved as well. you mention to those other measures which is making things different this time round. i remember speaking to you last week about the key element of fresh air and ventilation in schools, there is something our children will get used to and also testing. you said you feel these things will make a big difference, should that enable parents and pupils to feel a bit more safe this morning going back because of those extra measures and those understandings that we have which is better than a few months ago? yes. better than a few months ago? yes, our understanding _ better than a few months ago? yes, our understanding has _ better than a few months ago? is: our understanding has changed a better than a few months ago? 23 our understanding has changed a lot. this time last year we were really in the mindset of flu and thinking about young children being at risk, and we were not really thinking about aerosols. knowledge has changed hugely so now we know that children are not at risk, and the virus can be transmitted in close quarters by aerosol. so we have really got to go back to the, keeping the windows and doors open, improving ventilation, is a key measure. that's going to be throughout all workplaces going forward, improving the quality of air. ., ., ., . ., air. you also touched on the fact that the vaccine _ air. you also touched on the fact that the vaccine roll-out - air. you also touched on the fact that the vaccine roll-out is - that the vaccine roll—out is happening at the moment, there is a rush and a race to get as many adults done as possible. will things be kept very, a close eye be kept on the numbers of people in school and the numbers of people in school and the numbers of vaccines, is that the key thing for scientist? yes. the numbers of vaccines, is that the key thing for scientist?— key thing for scientist? yes, there is a very good _ key thing for scientist? yes, there is a very good study _ key thing for scientist? yes, there is a very good study run _ key thing for scientist? yes, there is a very good study run by - key thing for scientist? yes, there is a very good study run by ons, . is a very good study run by ons, public health england and the london school of tropical and hygiene medicine, looking at the school surveys. these will be key data sources to keep an eye on what is happening here. you sources to keep an eye on what is happening here-— happening here. you took that as well about the _ happening here. you took that as well about the chances _ happening here. you took that as well about the chances of - happening here. you took that as l well about the chances of teachers getting it and passing on the virus, no worse than otherjobs that other people might be doing in society at the moment. they are out there at the moment. they are out there at the moment, so what would your advice and how would you answer those concerns from teachers this morning who are concerned about going back to school? it is difficult for _ going back to school? it is difficult for them, - going back to school? it is difficult for them, and - going back to school? it is difficult for them, and i i going back to school? it 3 difficult for them, and i accept that in a situation where the only activities that are open our essential retail, schools, health and social, then, yes, teachers are effectively on the front line. but as we open up other sectors of society from today onwards, it has been harder to make a special case for the key teachers. whereas taxi drivers, that is one of the highest risk groups. if we were to do teachers as a special case, you would have to do the police as a special case, fire crews, do we do the taxi drivers? it becomes very complicated. and if you make a system complicated, you get into problems. so it's much betterjust to go through straightforward age—based process. potentially in phase three, use a geo— social approach where you perhaps take vaccination buses into areas of high deprivation or ethnic diversity where there are harder to reach populations or populations poorly served by technology or access to health care. but the advice to teachers is going to be, wearing a facemask, being really careful in the common room. their colleagues are more of a risk to them than the children are. so it's about not relaxing. and doctors and nurses made this same mistake, doctors and nurses were wearing ppe in the hospitals and then go into the coffee rooms and relax and dropping their guard and that led to outbreaks within hospital. so we have to learn how to live with this virus, it will be difficult and it will mean some social distancing and facemask wearing, good ventilation, until late summer where we have the vast majority of people vaccinated. appreciate your insight, thank you so much, professor semplejoining us on bbc breakfast this morning. many of you are listening as you are going back to school this morning. many of you will be waking with a strain sense of relief, is it? breakfast�*s jayne mccubbin is at a primary school in liverpool to talk to people. good morning everybody here at this primary school. the kids are arriving, ready to go, aren't you, kids? here is the house band, alan is getting ready to welcome everybody in, what is on the playlist? everybody in, what is on the -la list? ~ . ., . everybody in, what is on the -la list? ~ , ., ., , playlist? we will be doing a medley to welcome the _ playlist? we will be doing a medley to welcome the children _ playlist? we will be doing a medley to welcome the children back, - to welcome the children back, including your beautiful, where is the love and welcome home. it is auoin to the love and welcome home. it is going to be _ the love and welcome home. it is going to be emotional. the kids are at home, they know you our on telly, give them a message to wake them up. we can't wait to see you, see you soon! ., ., . ,, ,, , we can't wait to see you, see you soon! ., ., ,, , soon! come on back in, kids, come back to see — soon! come on back in, kids, come back to see us— soon! come on back in, kids, come back to see us later _ soon! come on back in, kids, come back to see us later on. _ back to see us later on. we will be back with you to discuss that return to school. i we will be back with you to discuss that return to school.— that return to school. i can see the excitement — that return to school. i can see the excitement there. _ still to come on today's programme. as we've been hearing, it's back to school for most children in england today, hopefully for good this time, and some of the teachers are getting pretty excited about it. # i guess now it's time # i guess now it's time # to stop remote learning # to stop remote learning # ifeel # to stop remote learning # i feel it's time # we'll speak to the head teachers who channelled their inner "take that" to welcome pupils back to the classroom. they're on at ten to eight, so you'll need to "have a little patience" until then. there is another teacher! a little bit of a take that plan. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning, i'm sonja jessup. the family of a woman from brixton who's been missing for more than four days, say they're desperate for news. sarah everard left a friend's house in clapham on wednesday night. she was picked up on cctv walking along the south circular about half an hour later, but hasn't been seen since. children across the capital are returning to school today, as lockdown begins to ease. and all this week, bbc london will be focusing on one community in roehampton, looking at how they've coped during the pandemic. heathmere primary school on the alton estate has been preparing to welcome all its pupils back to class. we have a really robust risk assessment. i think people understand how to keep themselves safe. we know so much more about covid—19 than we did during the first lockdown. we know what to do to keep myself safe. we have got the remote learning plans in place. i am feeling positive about it because i am looking forward to having the children back. and i think it will probably be how it was in september. meanwhile, there's a surprise for children returning to brampton park primary in bexley heath today. 380 teddies have been donated by the parent and teacher association, to offer a bit of extra comfort to any pupils anxious about coming back to class. staff and visitors at guy's and st thomas' hospital in south london will be greeted by this new art installation, called the tunnel of light. nine metres long, it's designed to represent a symbol of hope as lockdown eases. let's take a look at the travel situation now. on the tube, the bakerloo line has severe delays between stonebridge park and harrow & wealdstone after a signal failure. this is how it looks in hanworth — roadworks are causing delays heading into central london on the a316 great chertsey road at the the hospital bridge roundabout. and in stratford, waddington road is blocked. there's been a fire at a flat, and firefighters are at the scene. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini hello, good morning. it's a chilly, frosty start to the new working week, temperatures in some of our southern home counties down as low as —3, minus four celsius. a little milder further north, a bit more in the way of cloud here. as we head throughout the day today, then the cloud will tend to break up. we should all see some spells of sunshine on and off. the winds are light and it will stay dry, certainly milder than it was over the weekend. in fact most of us will see double figures, nine to 11 celsius. as we head through this evening and overnight again, it's going to be cold, but perhaps not quite as chilly as the nightjust gone. nevertheless, where we see some lengthy clear spells, temperatures will drop to slightly below freezing and it will stay dry and the winds are fairly light. now, tomorrow, again, plenty more sunshine to come. it should stay dry throughout the day. it will feel even milder still, 11 or 12 celsius. as we head through the afternoon, the cloud is set to thicken and the wind could pick up as well by the end of the day. very wet, very windy at times as we head through wednesday and thursday. i'm back in an hour. and there's more on our website at the usual address. it's back to dan and louise. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. let's return now to the full re—opening of schools in england. the prime minister has pledged £700 million to help children catch up on lost learning, but head teachers say that "doesn't even scratch the surface". let's speak to children's minister vicky ford. good morning. thank you forjoining us. there is so much to talk about with regard to schools. before we do go on, if i canjust talk about with regard to schools. before we do go on, if i can just talk about the interview making headlines around the world from the duchess of sussex, and particularly one of the things that have come out of it. she said there had been a concern and a conversation about how dark his skin might be when he was born. she was referring, of course, too arty. what do you make of that?— referring, of course, too arty. what do you make of that? well, obviously i haven't do you make of that? well, obviously i haven't seen — do you make of that? well, obviously i haven't seen the _ do you make of that? well, obviously i haven't seen the interview. - do you make of that? well, obviously i haven't seen the interview. i - i haven't seen the interview. i wasn't — i haven't seen the interview. i wasn't up _ i haven't seen the interview. i wasn't up at one o'clock this morning _ wasn't up at one o'clock this morning i_ wasn't up at one o'clock this morning. i was getting ready for school— morning. i was getting ready for school is — morning. i was getting ready for school is coming back today. but i will say _ school is coming back today. but i will say there is no place for racism — will say there is no place for racism in _ will say there is no place for racism in our society and we all need _ racism in our society and we all need to— racism in our society and we all need to work together to stop it. thank— need to work together to stop it. thank you — need to work together to stop it. thank you very much for your reaction to that. it is something we will be discussing throughout the programme. we are also talking about many millions of children on their way back to school, particularly in england today. and the real question is, are schools ready?— is, are schools ready? well, yes, i think there — is, are schools ready? well, yes, i think there are _ is, are schools ready? well, yes, i think there are so _ is, are schools ready? well, yes, i think there are so many _ is, are schools ready? well, yes, i think there are so many exciting i is, are schools ready? well, yes, i i think there are so many exciting and relieved _ think there are so many exciting and relieved children, young people, their— relieved children, young people, their parents, school staff, it is a huge _ their parents, school staff, it is a huge day— their parents, school staff, it is a huge day for them. it is actually a huge _ huge day for them. it is actually a huge day— huge day for them. it is actually a huge day for them. it is actually a huge day for them. it is actually a huge day for the whole of the country — huge day for the whole of the country as we take that first step. schools _ country as we take that first step. schools have been working so hard to .et schools have been working so hard to get ready _ schools have been working so hard to get ready. and for anyone who is a bit nervous — get ready. and for anyone who is a bit nervous about today, just to remind — bit nervous about today, just to remind them, we have put in these extra _ remind them, we have put in these extra measures to keep covid out of our classrooms, and that includes the testing — our classrooms, and that includes the testing for school staff, the testing — the testing for school staff, the testing for secondary school pupils and of _ testing for secondary school pupils and of course the mask wearing. that is on _ and of course the mask wearing. that is on top _ and of course the mask wearing. that is on top of— and of course the mask wearing. that is on top of all the other measures. schools— is on top of all the other measures. schools have been working really hard to— schools have been working really hard to get ready for today. and it is going _ hard to get ready for today. and it is going to — hard to get ready for today. and it is going to be a big week as all peoples — is going to be a big week as all peoples start returning. canl is going to be a big week as all peoples start returning. can i ask ou a peoples start returning. can i ask you a specific— peoples start returning. can i ask you a specific question _ peoples start returning. can i ask you a specific question about - peoples start returning. can i ask you a specific question about the| you a specific question about the testing and the masks? how long will this continue for? 50. testing and the masks? how long will this continue for?— this continue for? so, the testing, this continue for? so, the testing, this is for secondary _ this continue for? so, the testing, this is for secondary school - this is for secondary school students _ this is for secondary school students and all staff, both primary and secondary, and that is a really bil and secondary, and that is a really big and _ and secondary, and that is a really big and important step in keeping our classrooms covid free. that is all being — our classrooms covid free. that is all being advised by the medical team _ all being advised by the medical team. we have taken the advice from medics _ team. we have taken the advice from medics and _ team. we have taken the advice from medics and scientists throughout. the medics at the moment are advising — the medics at the moment are advising that secondary school pupils — advising that secondary school pupils should wear their masks in the classroom if they can't social distance — the classroom if they can't social distance. and we will be looking at that again — distance. and we will be looking at that again at easter time. what distance. and we will be looking at that again at easter time.- that again at easter time. what do teachers do. _ that again at easter time. what do teachers do, for _ that again at easter time. what do teachers do, for example, - that again at easter time. what do teachers do, for example, if - that again at easter time. what do | teachers do, for example, if pupils refused to wear masks? 50. teachers do, for example, if pupils refused to wear masks?— refused to wear masks? so, there will be some _ refused to wear masks? so, there will be some students _ refused to wear masks? so, there will be some students will- refused to wear masks? so, there will be some students will be - refused to wear masks? so, there i will be some students will be exempt from wearing masks. we haven't made it mandatory— from wearing masks. we haven't made it mandatory but we are strongly encouraging it. but i do believe that from — encouraging it. but i do believe that from the teenagers i spoke to, they really— that from the teenagers i spoke to, they really get this. they want to keep— they really get this. they want to keep not— they really get this. they want to keep not only themselves safe, but they want— keep not only themselves safe, but they want to keep their friends safe. _ they want to keep their friends safe, their families are safe, the school— safe, their families are safe, the school staff safe, so they do get this _ school staff safe, so they do get this so. — school staff safe, so they do get this so. as— school staff safe, so they do get this. so, as i said, we will be reviewing _ this. so, as i said, we will be reviewing the mask wearing, easter time and _ reviewing the mask wearing, easter time and there will be some who are exempt _ time and there will be some who are exempt. but i really do hope that the vast — exempt. but i really do hope that the vast majority of students will do this— the vast majority of students will do this because they know it will help to — do this because they know it will help to keep others safe. the national help to keep others safe. t"i2 national education union has described going back so many pupils in the same week, this big bang approach, as reckless. would you agree? approach, as reckless. would you auree? ~ ., ~ approach, as reckless. would you auree? ~ :. ~ . approach, as reckless. would you aree? : ., ~ ., ., 4' agree? well, no. we have worked reall , agree? well, no. we have worked really. really _ agree? well, no. we have worked really, really closely _ agree? well, no. we have worked really, really closely with - agree? well, no. we have worked really, really closely with the - really, really closely with the scientists, who are the experts on covid _ scientists, who are the experts on covid we — scientists, who are the experts on covid. we have looked at all the evidence — covid. we have looked at all the evidence. everybody has worked so hard to _ evidence. everybody has worked so hard to get — evidence. everybody has worked so hard to get a covid level is low again — hard to get a covid level is low again and _ hard to get a covid level is low again. and then, of course, we are doing _ again. and then, of course, we are doing this — again. and then, of course, we are doing this against a very different backdrop — doing this against a very different backdrop to what we had in january, but we _ backdrop to what we had in january, but we are _ backdrop to what we had in january, but we are doing this with the vaccination programme, the amazing vaccination _ vaccination programme, the amazing vaccination programme, the amazing vaccination programme which now means— vaccination programme which now means that one in three adults is vaccinated — means that one in three adults is vaccinated. that gives us all a bit more _ vaccinated. that gives us all a bit more protection. i do have to say though. — more protection. i do have to say though, this is the first step in the whole _ though, this is the first step in the whole release from the national lockdown _ the whole release from the national lockdown. it is a big step and we need _ lockdown. it is a big step and we need to— lockdown. it is a big step and we need to make sure that we remain cautious— need to make sure that we remain cautious and the rest of us need to carry— cautious and the rest of us need to carry on— cautious and the rest of us need to carry on following the rest of the guidance — carry on following the rest of the guidance in order that we can move on to— guidance in order that we can move on to step — guidance in order that we can move on to step two of the road map in another— on to step two of the road map in another month. this is the important step _ another month. this is the important step. if. _ another month. this is the important ste -. ., another month. this is the important ste. ., ., , another month. this is the important ste n _ ., ., , , step. if, for example, the r number rose aaain step. if, for example, the r number rose again above _ step. if, for example, the r number rose again above one, _ step. if, for example, the r number rose again above one, would - step. if, for example, the r number rose again above one, would you i rose again above one, would you consider closing schools again? 50. consider closing schools again? so, actuall , consider closing schools again? so, actually. we — consider closing schools again? so, actually, we have taken advice from the scientists throughout this. you will have _ the scientists throughout this. you will have heard the deputy head of public_ will have heard the deputy head of public health england yesterday saying _ public health england yesterday saying that even if the r number does _ saying that even if the r number does go — saying that even if the r number does go up a bit, she doesn't think that we _ does go up a bit, she doesn't think that we should close schools, have another _ that we should close schools, have another national lockdown of schools _ another national lockdown of schools. this is the first step on that road — schools. this is the first step on that road map to recovery. we have always— that road map to recovery. we have always prioritised children. we have said that _ always prioritised children. we have said that schools will be the last to close — said that schools will be the last to close and the first to open. it is so _ to close and the first to open. it is so important for young people's mental— is so important for young people's mental health and well—being as well as for— mental health and well—being as well as for their— mental health and well—being as well as for their education. mental health and well—being as well as fortheir education. so mental health and well—being as well as for their education. so this is a first step — as for their education. so this is a first step. we wanted to be irreversible. that is why we have put in _ irreversible. that is why we have put in place _ irreversible. that is why we have put in place those extra measures of testing _ put in place those extra measures of testing and _ put in place those extra measures of testing and masks on top of all the other— testing and masks on top of all the other precautions we have put in schools. — other precautions we have put in schools, and that is why we are also saying _ schools, and that is why we are also saying to _ schools, and that is why we are also saying to everybody else across society. — saying to everybody else across society, do continue to follow the guidelines— society, do continue to follow the guidelines in other areas.- society, do continue to follow the guidelines in other areas. there is so much for— guidelines in other areas. there is so much for people _ guidelines in other areas. there is so much for people to _ guidelines in other areas. there is so much for people to get - guidelines in other areas. there is so much for people to get their. so much for people to get their heads around with regards to testing, for example. they will have lateral flow tests. there are also false positives and false negatives. what happens if you test positive? do you have another test? 50 what happens if you test positive? do you have another test? so what we have heard again _ do you have another test? so what we have heard again from _ do you have another test? so what we have heard again from the _ do you have another test? so what we have heard again from the scientist, i have heard again from the scientist, who are _ have heard again from the scientist, who are the — have heard again from the scientist, who are the experts, the deputy head of public— who are the experts, the deputy head of public health yesterday pointed out the _ of public health yesterday pointed out the chance of a false positive is less _ out the chance of a false positive is less than one in a thousand. so please _ is less than one in a thousand. so please do — is less than one in a thousand. so please do these tests. they are a really _ please do these tests. they are a really important part of the measures of keeping you safe. we are expecting _ measures of keeping you safe. we are expecting students in secondary schools — expecting students in secondary schools to do the first three tests at school. — schools to do the first three tests at school, so that they will be supervised and shown how to do that before _ supervised and shown how to do that before they _ supervised and shown how to do that before they then start doing the home _ before they then start doing the home tests. before they then start doing the home tests-— before they then start doing the home tests. . ., ., ,, ., home tests. can we also talk about concerns from, _ home tests. can we also talk about concerns from, not _ home tests. can we also talk about concerns from, not just _ home tests. can we also talk about concerns from, notjust parents, i home tests. can we also talk about. concerns from, notjust parents, but there was a study of parents over there was a study of parents over the weekend that found that two thirds are really worried about how much learning their child is lost. we know the government is investing in trying to catch up, but we know thatis in trying to catch up, but we know that is not even scratching the surface, that money does not scratch the surface? 50. surface, that money does not scratch the surface?— the surface? so, we also know that a lot of children _ the surface? so, we also know that a lot of children and _ the surface? so, we also know that a lot of children and young _ the surface? so, we also know that a lot of children and young people - lot of children and young people have _ lot of children and young people have worked incredibly hard from home _ have worked incredibly hard from home to — have worked incredibly hard from home to try and stay on top of their learning _ home to try and stay on top of their learning. and just a huge thank you to all— learning. and just a huge thank you to all the _ learning. and just a huge thank you to all the staff, all the parents and the — to all the staff, all the parents and the young people themselves, who have been— and the young people themselves, who have been supporting them. what we have been supporting them. what we have been— have been supporting them. what we have been looking at from the beginning of the pandemic about how to help _ beginning of the pandemic about how to help support those young people who need. — to help support those young people who need, we'll need that bit of extra _ who need, we'll need that bit of extra assistance now, that why we announced — extra assistance now, that why we announced that extra cash money back lastjune _ announced that extra cash money back lastjune. and then another 700 million — lastjune. and then another 700 millionjust gone into lastjune. and then another 700 million just gone into schools and other— million just gone into schools and other projects recently. it is going in in different ways. some of it goes _ in in different ways. some of it goes directly to the schools, which they produce for education support or well—being support or other or well— being support or other activities. _ or well—being support or other activities, and some of it goes into the national programme for one—on—one support. some of it is they— one—on—one support. some of it is they are _ one—on—one support. some of it is they are flexibly for school would like to _ they are flexibly for school would like to do — they are flexibly for school would like to do a summer camp. not every child is— like to do a summer camp. not every child is going — like to do a summer camp. not every child is going to extra support. i would _ child is going to extra support. i would say— child is going to extra support. i would say to any children or parents listening _ would say to any children or parents listening to — would say to any children or parents listening to this, if you do think your— listening to this, if you do think your child — listening to this, if you do think your child needs that extra bit of support. — your child needs that extra bit of support, do contact your school and, as i support, do contact your school and, as i said. _ support, do contact your school and, as i said. this— support, do contact your school and, as i said, this is a huge package that we — as i said, this is a huge package that we have been putting together over the _ that we have been putting together over the past year. but it also comes— over the past year. but it also comes on— over the past year. but it also comes on top of what has been record investment— comes on top of what has been record investment in our schools in the three _ investment in our schools in the three year— investment in our schools in the three year proposal is that we had at the _ three year proposal is that we had at the last— three year proposal is that we had at the last general election to put massive _ at the last general election to put massive investment into schools. can i 'ust also massive investment into schools. can ijust also ask — massive investment into schools. can i just also ask you about massive investment into schools. can ijust also ask you about nhs staff? i just also ask you about nhs staff? this proposalfor a 1% pay i just also ask you about nhs staff? this proposal for a 1% pay rise i just also ask you about nhs staff? this proposalfor a 1% pay rise has sparked talk of industrial action. we know now, the prime minister saying yesterday that the pay review bodyis saying yesterday that the pay review body is going to look at what has happened and what you have proposed and they will come back. for example, if the pay review body came back and said, they should have above 1%, will you follow its recommendations?- above 1%, will you follow its recommendations? �* ., recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor- — recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor- i— recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor. i know _ recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor. i know how— recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor. i know how hard - recommendations? so, i'm the wife of an nhs doctor. i know how hard our. an nhs doctor. i know how hard our nhs staff— an nhs doctor. i know how hard our nhs staff have been working throughout this. they have been phenomenal. as have so many working in the _ phenomenal. as have so many working in the public— phenomenal. as have so many working in the public sector. when it comes to public— in the public sector. when it comes to public sector pay, i also look at the many— to public sector pay, i also look at the many hundreds of thousands of people _ the many hundreds of thousands of people across the country who have lost their— people across the country who have lost theirjobs in every constituency. those people are also going _ constituency. those people are also going to _ constituency. those people are also going to need support and help as we help them _ going to need support and help as we help them to get back into work. | help them to get back into work. i 'ust help them to get back into work. just want help them to get back into work. i just want to put that question help them to get back into work. t just want to put that question to you again... but just want to put that question to you again- - -_ just want to put that question to you again... but ifi could say, we do need to _ you again... but ifi could say, we do need to look— you again... but ifi could say, we do need to look really _ you again... but ifi could say, we do need to look really carefully i you again... but ifi could say, we do need to look really carefully at| do need to look really carefully at the state — do need to look really carefully at the state of the finances of the country — the state of the finances of the country it _ the state of the finances of the country. it is the biggest debt since — country. it is the biggest debt since the _ country. it is the biggest debt since the war. and i know that we will continue to do everything we canto _ will continue to do everything we canto pay— will continue to do everything we can to pay our public sector, especially those on lower incomes who have — especially those on lower incomes who have put in a big 12% pay rise already— who have put in a big 12% pay rise already for— who have put in a big 12% pay rise already for newly qualified nurses, but we _ already for newly qualified nurses, but we need to look at those against the backdrop of how we protect everybody and make sure we have a fair deat _ everybody and make sure we have a fair deat so — everybody and make sure we have a fair deal. , ., , . . , fair deal. so 'ust to be clear, they miaht fair deal. so just to be clear, they might recommend, _ fair deal. so just to be clear, they might recommend, if _ fair deal. so just to be clear, they might recommend, if they - fair deal. so just to be clear, they might recommend, if they did - might recommend, if they did recommend a pay rise above 1%, you might not necessarily follow that recommendation? this i might not necessarily follow that recommendation?— might not necessarily follow that recommendation? as i said, those recommendations _ recommendation? as i said, those recommendations will _ recommendation? as i said, those recommendations will come - recommendation? as i said, those recommendations will come to - recommendation? as i said, thosej recommendations will come to the health _ recommendations will come to the health secretary and the health secretary —— the chancellor later in the year _ secretary —— the chancellor later in the year. but i need —— what we need to look— the year. but i need —— what we need to look at— the year. but i need —— what we need to look at how— the year. but i need —— what we need to look at how we support everybody across _ to look at how we support everybody across the _ to look at how we support everybody across the country and be mindful of the serious — across the country and be mindful of the serious economic impact this pandemic— the serious economic impact this pandemic has had on our country, and find a _ pandemic has had on our country, and find a fair— pandemic has had on our country, and find a fair way— pandemic has had on our country, and find a fair way for us all to build back— find a fair way for us all to build hack and — find a fair way for us all to build back and start at some point to repay— back and start at some point to repay that _ back and start at some point to repay that national debt, the biggest — repay that national debt, the biggest debt the country has had since _ biggest debt the country has had since the — biggest debt the country has had since the second world war. xit'ickgr since the second world war. vicky ford, thank _ since the second world war. vicky ford. thank you — since the second world war. vicky ford, thank you for _ since the second world war. vicky ford, thank you for your _ since the second world war. c)” cc; ford, thank you for your time. it is monday morning, it is 7:44am. sally is here with the sport. good morning. picking up on a busy weekend of sport? a, morning. picking up on a busy weekend of sport?— morning. picking up on a busy weekend of sport? morning. picking up on a busy weekend ofsort? �* . ,, ., weekend of sport? a mad weekend of sort. look weekend of sport? a mad weekend of sport look at — weekend of sport? a mad weekend of sport. look at this _ weekend of sport? a mad weekend of sport. look at this brilliant _ sport. look at this brilliant picture. i love this. two rangers fans wearing their steven gerrard masks. it is not actually twins. rangers' return to the top of scottish football is complete. in the ten years since winning their last title, they've been liquidated and reformed, and worked their way back from the bottom of the league system. celtic�*s failure to beat dundee united sealed the title for steven gerrard's side. hundreds of fans again flocked to ibrox stadium, despite warnings not to congregate and break covid safety protocols. it's the earliest the title has been won in more than a century. words can't explain it. ten years of misery, and this — look at the place, man, bouncing. this — this is the best ever. ten years. it is good. it has been a tough _ ten years. it is good. it has been a tough ten — ten years. it is good. it has been a tough ten years _ ten years. it is good. it has been a tough ten years for— ten years. it is good. it has been a tough ten years for the _ ten years. it is good. it has been a tough ten years for the club. - over the moon. it's been a long time coming. manchester united ended manchester city's 21 game winning run, beating them 2—0 in the premier league at the etihad. united's goals came from a bruno fernandes penalty and luke shaw. united are up to second, still 11 points adrift of leaders city. liverpool extended their worst ever home run to six consecutive defeats, beaten i—o by fulham. mario lemina scored the goal. his side are still in the relegation zone, but only on goal difference behind brighton, and one point behind newcastle, who drew at west brom. gareth bale and harry kane both scored twice as tottenham beat crystal palace 4—1. the final goal was the 14th time son and kane have combined for a goal directly this season, a new premier league record. we have a new teenage star in british athletics, keely hodgkinson. she only turned 19 last week but in her first international event won the 800 metres at the european indoor championships in poland. i am only 19. i'm still learning and there's still things i'm going to learn. but ijust wanted to keep my same relaxed state that i did through the heats and the semi, you know. we been talked about that, just don't change anything for the final, you don't want to make a mistake. i really believed in myself, because i don't, who else is going to? big—hitting bryson de chambeau beat lee westwood to win the arnold palmer invitational in florida last night. westwood was unlucky to land his ball in a divot on the final hole. he didn't drop a shot, but still finished one behind the american, who showed his power best when he drove straight across the water to take a huge shortcut on a par five and was just short of the green. it isa it is a whopper. it is a technical term, everyone! did it is a whopper. it is a technical term, everyone!— it is a whopper. it is a technical term, everyone! did you play that eseciall term, everyone! did you play that esoeciallyjust _ term, everyone! did you play that especially just for _ term, everyone! did you play that especially just for one _ term, everyone! did you play that especially just for one person? i especially just for one person? yeah, especiallyjust for one person? yeah, i did. that is the future of golf. that is the big debate in golf at the minute. how far can you hate it, how far should you be allowed to hit it? lee westwood was a mile behind but got the same score at that hole. ,, ., , . ~' behind but got the same score at that hole. ,, ., , . ,, . that hole. should they make the game less about the — that hole. should they make the game less about the big _ that hole. should they make the game less about the big hitters? _ that hole. should they make the game less about the big hitters? we - that hole. should they make the game less about the big hitters? we can - less about the big hitters? we can talk about golf _ less about the big hitters? we can talk about golf golfer _ less about the big hitters? we can talk about golf golfer ten - less about the big hitters? we can talk about golf golfer ten minutes| talk about golf golfer ten minutes or at the weather. [30 talk about golf golfer ten minutes or at the weather.— talk about golf golfer ten minutes or at the weather. do you think? i think the weather. _ think the weather. i'm not sure i am going to win this one. good morning. you are definitely not! good morning, everybody. mixed fortunes this morning depending on where you are. some of us are seeing rain, some off to a chilly start. this beautiful picture from clackmannanshire. as we go through today there is some rain. but for many it will be dry. the same tomorrow. as we get to the middle of the week, rain and gales coming our way. the strongest winds in the south on thursday, gusts up to 66 mph. they are potentially disruptive and damaging gusts of wind. we have got a face weather front producing some rain. later the second week one comes in and the third one. we start with the first. it is producing rain in northern ireland, parts of scotland, north wales and northern england. it will sink southwards and eastwards. the north midlands will see some rain through the afternoon. you can see how it is easing off. some sunshine for north—east scotland. after a cold and frosty staff or parts of northern england, you will have some sunshine as well. as we will across wales and the south—west. temperatures ranging between eight and 10 degrees. this evening and overnight here is the weather front. evening and overnight here is the weatherfront. it evening and overnight here is the weather front. it continues to push its way through east anglia. here comes the second one. this is the first of the week once. another one on its heels. we have that conveyor belt of drier interludes. a cold night again in the south, once again with some frost. as we head into tuesday you can quite clearly see the weather fronts on the chart. this one will fizzle as it pushes east. this one is going to be a bit more potent as it comes in with this area of low pressure. we start off on a frosty knot across southern areas with some sunshine. the cloud associated with the weather front putting east. then we have the more potent area coming our way, introducing more persistent rain and also stronger winds. gusting by the end of the day in western scotland, up end of the day in western scotland, up to 55 mph. we have got a very strong jet stream at the moment coming across the atlantic ocean. in the undulations of the jet stream, thatis the undulations of the jet stream, that is where we see areas of low pressure. we bring —— that brings changeable and disruptive weather potentially. look at the isobars, telling us it is going to be windy. we have also got this rain. the rain will move through quite quickly, followed by showers and some sunshine. gales towards the west. and overnight, on wednesday to thursday and thursday itself, that is when we will have the strongest winds, potentially damaging gusts. thank you, carol. i’d winds, potentially damaging gusts. thank you, carol.— thank you, carol. i'd much rather talk about— thank you, carol. i'd much rather talk about golf, _ thank you, carol. i'd much rather talk about golf, wouldn't - thank you, carol. i'd much rather talk about golf, wouldn't you? i thank you, carol. i'd much rather| talk about golf, wouldn't you? i'm joking! carol, you were brilliant as ever. ,, , joking! carol, you were brilliant as ever. , , ., joking! carol, you were brilliant as ever. ,, , ., . , , joking! carol, you were brilliant as ever. ,, , ., ., , , ,, ever. she is gone, apparently. she has walked — ever. she is gone, apparently. she has walked away. _ ever. she is gone, apparently. she has walked away. i _ ever. she is gone, apparently. she has walked away. i don't _ ever. she is gone, apparently. she has walked away. i don't blame i ever. she is gone, apparently. she. has walked away. i don't blame her. i waited for her to go. she has walked away. i don't blame her. i waited for her to go.— i waited for her to go. she is still watchinu. nearly all primary school children in england will be going back to the classroom today. hope you are all right this morning. jayne mccubbin is at a school in liverpool which is about to welcome a full set of pupils for the first time since before christmas. are they ready, jayne? good morning. 0h, good morning. oh, my goodness! dan has 'ust good morning. oh, my goodness! dan hasiust said. — good morning. oh, my goodness! dan hasjust said, are _ good morning. oh, my goodness! dan hasjust said, are you _ good morning. oh, my goodness! dan hasjust said, are you ready _ good morning. oh, my goodness! dan hasjust said, are you ready for- hasjust said, are you ready for this? _ this? yes! , . . this? yes! the are rarin to o. the yes! they are raring to go. they came back _ yes! they are raring to go. they came back for _ yes! they are raring to go. they came back forjust _ yes! they are raring to go. they came back forjust that - yes! they are raring to go. they came back forjust that one i yes! they are raring to go. they| came back forjust that one brief day on _ came back forjust that one brief day onjanuary the came back forjust that one brief day on january the 4th. then they went— day on january the 4th. then they went off— day on january the 4th. then they went off again. so we're really excited — went off again. so we're really excited to _ went off again. so we're really excited to be back, aren't we? let's chat to _ excited to be back, aren't we? let's chat to some — excited to be back, aren't we? let's chat to some the kids. come and meet amir and _ chat to some the kids. come and meet amirand ahmed. chat to some the kids. come and meet amir and ahmed. guys, chat to some the kids. come and meet amirand ahmed. guys, tell chat to some the kids. come and meet amir and ahmed. guys, tell me who and what _ amir and ahmed. guys, tell me who and what you are most excited to do and what you are most excited to do and see _ and what you are most excited to do and see today? i�*m and what you are most excited to do and see today?— and see today? i'm excited to see max because _ and see today? i'm excited to see max because max _ and see today? i'm excited to see max because max is _ and see today? i'm excited to see max because max is my _ and see today? i'm excited to see max because max is my best i and see today? i'm excited to see l max because max is my best friend. give him _ max because max is my best friend. give him a _ max because max is my best friend. give him a wave— max because max is my best friend. give him a wave at— max because max is my best friend. give him a wave at home. _ max because max is my best friend. give him a wave at home. i- max because max is my best friend. give him a wave at home. i bet- max because max is my best friend. give him a wave at home. i bet he l max because max is my best friend. | give him a wave at home. i bet he is waking _ give him a wave at home. i bet he is waking uu _ give him a wave at home. i bet he is waking up. what about you? i�*m waking up. what about you? i'm excited to _ waking up. what about you? i'm excited to see _ waking up. what about you? in excited to see freya. waking up. what about you? i'm excited to see freya. all - waking up. what about you? i'm excited to see freya. all these l waking up. what about you? i'm i excited to see freya. all these best mates who can _ excited to see freya. all these best mates who can see _ excited to see freya. all these best mates who can see each _ excited to see freya. all these best mates who can see each other i excited to see freya. all these best i mates who can see each other again. mum _ mates who can see each other again. mum and _ mates who can see each other again. mum and dad, how do you feel about saying _ mum and dad, how do you feel about saying goodbye to them? you have had them at _ saying goodbye to them? you have had them at home for the best part of two months? i them at home for the best part of two months?— two months? i have always been travellin: two months? i have always been travelling to _ two months? i have always been travelling to work. _ two months? i have always been travelling to work. at _ two months? i have always been travelling to work. at over i two months? i have always been travelling to work. at over this i travelling to work. at over this long and i have been working from home since last year. just getting attached to them and growing up. it felt like a bit of a privilege to have — felt like a bit of a privilege to have this _ felt like a bit of a privilege to have this time. _ felt like a bit of a privilege to have this time. [it— felt like a bit of a privilege to have this time.— have this time. it has been a privilege- — have this time. it has been a privilege. everybody - have this time. it has been a privilege. everybody has i have this time. it has been a. privilege. everybody has been supported, especially the school. brilliant. lovely to see you today, kids _ brilliant. lovely to see you today, kids all— brilliant. lovely to see you today, kids. all raring to go. come and meet _ kids. all raring to go. come and meet somebody else. this is of failure — meet somebody else. this is of failure and _ meet somebody else. this is of failure and has ever year. what are you excited — failure and has ever year. what are you excited about today? | failure and has ever year. what are you excited about today? i am excited about _ you excited about today? i am excited about seeing - you excited about today? i am excited about seeing my i you excited about today? i —.n excited about seeing my friends. everybody is. can i ask you guys a very serious — everybody is. can i ask you guys a very serious question now? you have been _ very serious question now? you have been home—schooled for two months. marks _ been home—schooled for two months. marks out _ been home—schooled for two months. marks out of— been home—schooled for two months. marks out of ten for your mum and dads _ marks out of ten for your mum and dad's effort? marks out of ten for your mum and dads effort?— marks out of ten for your mum and dad's effort?- it's _ marks out of ten for your mum and dad's effort?- it's a _ marks out of ten for your mum and dad's effort? eight. it's a tough crowd. iwill— dad's effort? eight. it's a tough crowd. i will take _ dad's effort? eight. it's a tough crowd. i will take that. - dad's effort? eight. it's a tough crowd. i will take that. what i dad's effort? eight. it's a tough i crowd. i will take that. what about marks out of _ crowd. i will take that. what about marks out of ten _ crowd. i will take that. what about marks out of ten for— crowd. i will take that. what about marks out of ten for you? - crowd. i will take that. what about marks out of ten for you? nine. it i marks out of ten for you? nine. it has been very _ marks out of ten for you? nine. it has been very difficult. _ marks out of ten for you? nine. it has been very difficult. what i marks out of ten for you? nine. it has been very difficult. what are i has been very difficult. what are ou most has been very difficult. what are you most looking _ has been very difficult. what are you most looking forward - has been very difficult. what are you most looking forward to i has been very difficult. what are i you most looking forward to today? the back, _ you most looking forward to today? the back, into a routine, getting them _ the back, into a routine, getting them to— the back, into a routine, getting them to see _ the back, into a routine, getting them to see friends, _ the back, into a routine, getting them to see friends, do - the back, into a routine, getting them to see friends, do some i the back, into a routine, getting i them to see friends, do some work in peace _ them to see friends, do some work in peace it _ them to see friends, do some work in peace it has — them to see friends, do some work in peace. it has been _ them to see friends, do some work in peace. it has been hard _ peace. it has been hard home—schooling - peace. it has been hard home—schooling as i peace. it has been hard. home—schooling as well, peace. it has been hard - home—schooling as well, learning with the _ home—schooling as well, learning with the children. _ home—schooling as well, learning with the children. i— home-schooling as well, learning with the children.— with the children. i hear you, sister. when _ with the children. i hear you, sister. when i— with the children. i hear you, sister. when i arrived - with the children. i hear you, sister. when i arrived this i with the children. i hear you, i sister. when i arrived this morning, the first— sister. when i arrived this morning, the first person i saw, come here, daniel, _ the first person i saw, come here, daniel, was — the first person i saw, come here, daniel, was little daniel. i said to you. _ daniel, was little daniel. i said to you. who — daniel, was little daniel. i said to you, who are you looking forward to seeing _ you, who are you looking forward to seeing and — you, who are you looking forward to seeing and what did you say? zachary _ seeing and what did you say? zacha . ., . ., , seeing and what did you say? zacha . . , ., seeing and what did you say? zacha . ., ., seeing and what did you say? zacha . ., zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him — zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him for _ zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him for the _ zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him for the first _ zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him for the first time i zachary. zachary. you can go and meet him for the first time in i zachary. zachary. you can go and| meet him for the first time in two months — months. let's see the months. — let's see the reunion. applause. fit let's see the reunion. applause.— let's see the reunion. applause. �* , , , applause. a little fist pump. i think it's time _ applause. a little fist pump. i think it's time to _ applause. a little fist pump. i think it's time to strike - applause. a little fist pump. i think it's time to strike up i applause. a little fist pump. i think it's time to strike up the l think it's time to strike up the house — think it's time to strike up the house band. go on, alan, pray something _ house band. go on, alan, pray something emotional. —— play. mrs price. _ something emotional. —— play. mrs price. head— something emotional. —— play. mrs price, head teacher. mixed emotions for you _ price, head teacher. mixed emotions for you today?— for you today? definitely. the children are _ for you today? definitely. the children are going _ for you today? definitely. the children are going to - for you today? definitely. the children are going to be i for you today? definitely. the i children are going to be nervous but we are _ children are going to be nervous but we are excited — children are going to be nervous but we are excited about _ children are going to be nervous but we are excited about having - children are going to be nervous but we are excited about having them i we are excited about having them back _ we are excited about having them back they— we are excited about having them back they are _ we are excited about having them back. they are back— we are excited about having them back. they are back with - we are excited about having them back. they are back with their- back. they are back with their friends — back. they are back with their friends and _ back. they are back with their friends and adults _ back. they are back with their friends and adults that - back. they are back with their friends and adults that they. back. they are back with their- friends and adults that they trust. they will— friends and adults that they trust. they will love _ friends and adults that they trust. they will love it. _ friends and adults that they trust. they will love it. they— friends and adults that they trust. they will love it. they will- friends and adults that they trust. they will love it. they will be i they will love it. they will be really — they will love it. they will be really happy _ they will love it. they will be really happy this _ they will love it. they will be really happy this week. - they will love it. they will be really happy this week.- they will love it. they will be really happy this week. let's try and net really happy this week. let's try and get back — really happy this week. let's try and get back to _ really happy this week. let's try and get back to normal. - really happy this week. let's try and get back to normal. have i really happy this week. let's try and get back to normal. have a| and get back to normal. have a brilliant — and get back to normal. have a brilliant day. we are going to be here _ brilliant day. we are going to be here for— brilliant day. we are going to be here for another hour. we will see you in_ here for another hour. we will see you in a _ here for another hour. we will see you in a bid — here for another hour. we will see you in a bid. thank you. back to the studio _ you in a bid. thank you. back to the studio. . . . you in a bid. thank you. back to the studio. . , . . studio. that is what we need, a school day _ studio. that is what we need, a school day like _ studio. that is what we need, a school day like that. _ studio. that is what we need, a school day like that. i - studio. that is what we need, a school day like that. i am - studio. that is what we need, a school day like that. i am surel school day like that. i am sure there will _ school day like that. i am sure there will be _ school day like that. i am sure there will be so _ school day like that. i am sure there will be so much - school day like that. i am sure there will be so much joy - school day like that. i am sure there will be so much joy in i school day like that. i am sure i there will be so much joy in lots school day like that. i am sure - there will be so much joy in lots of playgrounds this morning. find there will be so much joy in lots of playgrounds this morning. and those kids aaivin playgrounds this morning. and those kids giving their _ playgrounds this morning. and those kids giving their parents _ playgrounds this morning. and those kids giving their parents eight - playgrounds this morning. and those kids giving their parents eight out. kids giving their parents eight out of ten. i would run off with a nine out of ten —— eight out of ten. happy with a five after last week's maths lesson! i happy with a five after last week's maths lesson!— maths lesson! i know it has been really hard _ maths lesson! i know it has been really hard for _ maths lesson! i know it has been really hard for so _ maths lesson! i know it has been really hard for so many _ maths lesson! i know it has been really hard for so many people. | no doubt teachers at that primary school want their pupils back for good — and that's exactly the message staff at the king's school in rochester are sending, albeit in a slightly different manner. take a look at this. # i guess now it's time # to stop remote learning # i feel it's time # got those pictures # got their routines and notices from last term still pinned up # oh, yeah # got a fist of pure emotion # got a memory of netball teams # got to leave it all behind now # whatever we said, whatever we did # we've been through it # we just want you back for good # want you back for good # encouraged you along, we had to be strong # and we've done # you'll be right and understood # want you back for good...# that has put a smile on your face! let's speak now to two of the stars of that production. ben charles is the principal of the king's school, in rochester, and catherine openshaw is head of the nursery and pre—prep school. good morning to both of you. thank you very much for giving us a good smile this morning. who wants to tell us how it came about? is that your responsibility, ben?- tell us how it came about? is that your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy — your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy to _ your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy to say — your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy to say that. _ your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy to say that. thank - your responsibility, ben? yeah, i'm very happy to say that. thank you i very happy to say that. thank you for having — very happy to say that. thank you for having us. it all came about from _ for having us. it all came about from my— for having us. it all came about from my colleague tom morgan. he came _ from my colleague tom morgan. he came up— from my colleague tom morgan. he came up with the idea of us singing a song _ came up with the idea of us singing a song together as the three heads of the _ a song together as the three heads of the school, plus our school chaplain. _ of the school, plus our school chaplain, to welcome the children and the _ chaplain, to welcome the children and the staff back. it has been a pretty— and the staff back. it has been a pretty tough two months of lockdown. so we _ pretty tough two months of lockdown. so we decided to put that song together. that song means an awful lot to _ together. that song means an awful lot to a _ together. that song means an awful lot to a lot _ together. that song means an awful lot to a lot of people. if you are a lotto a lot of people. if you are a certain— lot to a lot of people. if you are a certain vintage, that take song —— that take — certain vintage, that take song —— that take that song is special. as part of— that take that song is special. as part of our— that take that song is special. as part of our daily routine anywhere we have _ part of our daily routine anywhere we have been giving video messages to our— we have been giving video messages to our pupils. it is one of those that— to our pupils. it is one of those that has— to our pupils. it is one of those that has gone crazy from there. it has been — that has gone crazy from there. it has been wonderful to see the reaction — has been wonderful to see the reaction. . , ., . . reaction. catherine, you made a second entrance. _ reaction. catherine, you made a second entrance. well - reaction. catherine, you made a second entrance. well done - reaction. catherine, you made a second entrance. well done u. l reaction. catherine, you made a - second entrance. well done u. were you nervous about your performance? no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages _ no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages with — no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages with our— no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages with our children - no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages with our children all - no, as ben said, we were doing daily messages with our children all the i messages with our children all the way through— messages with our children all the way through lockdown. _ messages with our children all the way through lockdown. it - messages with our children all the way through lockdown. it was - messages with our children all the way through lockdown. it was one | messages with our children all the . way through lockdown. it was one of those _ way through lockdown. it was one of those messages _ way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it— way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it was _ way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it was a _ way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it was a bit - way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it was a bit of- way through lockdown. it was one of those messages. it was a bit of fun. those messages. it was a bit of fun for us _ those messages. it was a bit of fun for us to— those messages. it was a bit of fun for us to welcome _ those messages. it was a bit of fun for us to welcome our— those messages. it was a bit of fun for us to welcome our children - those messages. it was a bit of fun. for us to welcome our children back. we miss— for us to welcome our children back. we miss them — for us to welcome our children back. we miss them so— for us to welcome our children back. we miss them so much. _ for us to welcome our children back. we miss them so much. we - for us to welcome our children back. we miss them so much. we want. for us to welcome our children back. i we miss them so much. we want them back for— we miss them so much. we want them back for good — we miss them so much. we want them back for good-— back for good. ben, who wrote it? obviously l — back for good. ben, who wrote it? obviously i now _ back for good. ben, who wrote it? obviously i now take _ back for good. ben, who wrote it? obviously i now take that - back for good. ben, who wrote it? | obviously i now take that originally and gary barlow!— obviously i now take that originally and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow- — and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow- it _ and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow. it was _ and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow. it was tom _ and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow. it was tom morgan - and gary barlow! better acknowledge gary barlow. it was tom morgan who | gary barlow. it was tom morgan who came _ gary barlow. it was tom morgan who came up— gary barlow. it was tom morgan who came up with the words. we fiddled around _ came up with the words. we fiddled around a _ came up with the words. we fiddled around a little bit. we didn't rehearse _ around a little bit. we didn't rehearse it at all. that was on take two _ rehearse it at all. that was on take two we _ rehearse it at all. that was on take two we just — rehearse it at all. that was on take two. we just haven't had time to learn _ two. we just haven't had time to learn the — two. we just haven't had time to learn the words. hence we had pieces of paper— learn the words. hence we had pieces of paper in— learn the words. hence we had pieces of paper in front of us. tom came up with the _ of paper in front of us. tom came up with the words and i'm grateful to him for— with the words and i'm grateful to him for doing that. it was a wonderful piece of fun. we're really .lad wonderful piece of fun. we're really glad to— wonderful piece of fun. we're really glad to done it. wonderful piece of fun. we're really glad to done it— glad to done it. catherine, are you a fan of take _ glad to done it. catherine, are you a fan of take that? _ glad to done it. catherine, are you a fan of take that? of _ glad to done it. catherine, are you a fan of take that? of course. - glad to done it. catherine, are you | a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i love — a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i love gary _ a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i love gary barlow. _ a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i love gary barlow. i- a fan of take that? of course. who isn't? i love gary barlow. i think i isn't? i love gary barlow. i think gary barlow _ isn't? i love gary barlow. i think gary barlow has _ isn't? i love gary barlow. i think gary barlow has reacted - isn't? i love gary barlow. i think gary barlow has reacted as - isn't? i love gary barlow. i think| gary barlow has reacted as well, hasn't he?— gary barlow has reacted as well, hasn't he? , . , . , , . hasn't he? yes, he has. it was such a treat. hasn't he? yes, he has. it was such a treat- talk — hasn't he? yes, he has. it was such a treat. talk us _ hasn't he? yes, he has. it was such a treat. talk us through _ hasn't he? yes, he has. it was such a treat. talk us through gary's - a treat. talk us through gary's response? _ a treat. talk us through gary's response? he _ a treat. talk us through gary's response? he retweeted - a treat. talk us through gary's response? he retweeted it, i a treat. talk us through gary's - response? he retweeted it, didn't it? ., _, response? he retweeted it, didn't it? ., ~ ~ response? he retweeted it, didn't it? ~~ ., , response? he retweeted it, didn't it? ~~ ., it? one of your bbc colleagues, a former pupil_ it? one of your bbc colleagues, a former popil of — it? one of your bbc colleagues, a former pupil of the _ it? one of your bbc colleagues, a former pupil of the school, - it? one of your bbc colleagues, a| former pupil of the school, helped us with— former pupil of the school, helped us with the — former pupil of the school, helped us with the retreating. i think he retweeted — us with the retreating. i think he retweeted that with a heart sing, love this — retweeted that with a heart sing, love this. it has gone from there. it love this. it has gone from there. it has _ love this. it has gone from there. it has exploded. it's been an amazing _ it has exploded. it's been an amazing reaction.— it has exploded. it's been an amazin: reaction. ., . , amazing reaction. you have captured amazing reaction. you have captured a sentiment — amazing reaction. you have captured a sentiment and _ amazing reaction. you have captured a sentiment and it's _ amazing reaction. you have captured a sentiment and it's really _ amazing reaction. you have captured a sentiment and it's really lovely - a sentiment and it's really lovely to hear from teachers about how much you have missed so many children in school, isn't it?— school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. schools are _ school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. schools are meant _ school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. schools are meant to _ school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. schools are meant to have - school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. schools are meant to have people| school, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. l schools are meant to have people in them, _ schools are meant to have people in them, pupils and staff working and being _ them, pupils and staff working and being a _ them, pupils and staff working and being a living, breathing community. we haven't— being a living, breathing community. we haven't had that for such a long time. _ we haven't had that for such a long time. for— we haven't had that for such a long time, for the past 12 months. we are desperate _ time, for the past 12 months. we are desperate to — time, for the past 12 months. we are desperate to get them back. i know the parents are desperate for us to have them — the parents are desperate for us to have them back. i can't thank the parents _ have them back. i can't thank the parents enough around the country for all— parents enough around the country for all their— parents enough around the country for all their hard work during home—schooling. we want them back. we want _ home—schooling. we want them back. we want to _ home—schooling. we want them back. we want to get on with the jobs we know— we want to get on with the jobs we know we _ we want to get on with the jobs we know we should be doing and the people _ know we should be doing and the people is— know we should be doing and the people is to be here and give parents — people is to be here and give parents a _ people is to be here and give parents a bit of a break. you mentioned _ parents a bit of a break. you mentioned of _ parents a bit of a break. you mentioned of for _ parents a bit of a break. you mentioned of for the - parents a bit of a break. gm. mentioned of for the first three singing on the video. who is the guy coming in at the end? he has got a good set of pipes. that coming in at the end? he has got a good set of pipes-— good set of pipes. that is our cha - lain good set of pipes. that is our chaplain father _ good set of pipes. that is our chaplain father stephen. - good set of pipes. that is our chaplain father stephen. he | good set of pipes. that is our- chaplain father stephen. he ended up looking _ chaplain father stephen. he ended up looking like beds from the happy mondays! he is a good character and well musically trained. we mondays! he is a good character and well musically trained.— well musically trained. we could tell. catherine, _ well musically trained. we could tell. catherine, briefly, - well musically trained. we could tell. catherine, briefly, so - well musically trained. we could tell. catherine, briefly, so manyj tell. catherine, briefly, so many people will be watching us, getting ready for the first time in a long time. what is your top tip to get through today in a good way? just to come back- — through today in a good way? just to come back- we _ through today in a good way? just to come back. we want _ through today in a good way? just to come back. we want everybody - through today in a good way? just to come back. we want everybody to i through today in a good way? just to come back. we want everybody to come back and _ come back. we want everybody to come back and beat— come back. we want everybody to come back and beat together. _ come back. we want everybody to come back and beat together. that _ come back. we want everybody to come back and beat together. that is - come back. we want everybody to come back and beat together. that is the - back and beat together. that is the key, back and beat together. that is the key. just— back and beat together. that is the key. just be — back and beat together. that is the key. just be happy— back and beat together. that is the key. just be happy to _ back and beat together. that is the key, just be happy to be _ back and beat together. that is the key, just be happy to be back- key, just be happy to be back together~ _ key, just be happy to be back together~ we _ key, just be happy to be back together. we all— key, just be happy to be back together. we all will- key, just be happy to be back together. we all will be. - key, just be happy to be back together. we all will be. it i key, just be happy to be back. together. we all will be. it will 'ust together. we all will be. it will just be — together. we all will be. it will just be fabulous. _ together. we all will be. it will just be fabulous. we _ together. we all will be. it will just be fabulous. we can't - together. we all will be. it willj just be fabulous. we can't wait together. we all will be. it will- just be fabulous. we can't wait for our children— just be fabulous. we can't wait for our children to _ just be fabulous. we can't wait for our children to come _ just be fabulous. we can't wait for our children to come through - just be fabulous. we can't wait for our children to come through the. our children to come through the gates— our children to come through the gates in— our children to come through the gates in a — our children to come through the gates in a few— our children to come through the gates in a few minutes. - our children to come through the gates in a few minutes. i - our children to come through the gates in a few minutes.— gates in a few minutes. i expect the will gates in a few minutes. i expect they will be _ gates in a few minutes. i expect they will be singing. _ gates in a few minutes. i expect they will be singing. i _ gates in a few minutes. i expect they will be singing. i hope - gates in a few minutes. i expect they will be singing. i hope so. l they will be singing. i hope so. thank you _ they will be singing. i hope so. thank you both _ they will be singing. i hope so. thank you both very _ they will be singing. i hope so. thank you both very much - they will be singing. i hope so. i thank you both very much indeed. they will be singing. i hope so. - thank you both very much indeed. we love that. thank you for giving us and our viewers a happy monday. stay with us, headlines coming up. good morning, welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. our headlines today. harry and meghan's explosive interview with oprah. the duchess of sussex says she experienced suicidal thoughts. she also revealed questions were asked within the royal household about the colour of archie's skin while she was pregnant. he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title. and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. shocking, powerful, and deeply personal. meghan and harry share their sadness and struggles with royal life. also on breakfast, it's back to school for millions of children in england. ten years of hurt is overfor rangers. they win the scottish premiership with hundreds of fans celebrating outside ibrox despite covid safety warnings. good morning. the rain we currently have across parts of northern ireland, scotland and northern england and north—west wales will ease through the day and on either side of it, some and sunshine. but it will turn windy through the week. more later in the programme. it's monday march 8th. our top story. the duke and duchess of sussex have accused the royal family of failing to protect them, even when meghan was suffering from suicidal thoughts and harry was in what he called "a dark place". in an interview broadcast on us television, the couple revealed intimate details of their rift, including a claim that one member of the royal household had expressed concern to harry about how their children would look. our royal correspondent daniela relph has this report. the duchess of sussex didn't hold back. she described a royal life of loneliness and isolation that left her in the darkest of places. so, were you thinking of harming yourself, were you having suicidal thoughts? yes, this was very, very clear. wow. very clear and very scary. and, you know, i didn't know who to even turn to in that. these are the thoughts that i'm having the middle of the night that are very clear, and i'm scared, because this is very real. this isn't some abstract idea, this is methodical, and this is not who i am. meghan described feeling unsupported by what she called the institution. the duke and duchess of sussex! she talked about this charity event in january 2019. she said just before leaving, she told her husband that she'd thought about taking her own life. she describes how the glamour on the outside hid the pain on the inside. wait, listen, did you hearthat? the interview was personal, revealing, and at times, shocking. she told oprah winfrey that her son archie's mixed race heritage was an issue. that when pregnant, someone within the palace questioned how her child would look. in those months when i was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title. and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. what? and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? i think that would be very damaging to them. the interview highlighted strained relations within the royal family. meghan said media reports claiming she made her sister—in—law, the duchess of cambridge, cry, were false. in fact, it was the other way round, she said, and kate had apologised. when harryjoined the conversation with oprah, he described how he felt both his brother and father were trapped within the royal family. of william, he said their relationship now needed space and he hoped it would heal. and he revealed a rift with his father. there's a lot to work through there. i feel really let down. because he's been through something similar. he knows what pain feels like. and this is... and archie's his grandson. but at the same time, of course, i will always love him. but there is a lot of hurt that's happened. there were lighter moments as well. the new baby is a girl, due in the summer. and life in california has brought the couple peace. this is, of course, one side of the story. but the interview is deeply critical of the royal family and its staff. it was a portrait of an institution unable or unwilling to help those struggling within it. daniela relph, bbc news. daniela is outside buckingham palace this morning. good morning to you. so many comments to make on the interview, so many things that are in there, perhaps more so than we thought there would be. which parts do you think particularly stand out this morning and will be concerning to the palace?— morning and will be concerning to the alace? . �*, ., the palace? that's right, there was 'ust so the palace? that's right, there was just so much _ the palace? that's right, there was just so much in _ the palace? that's right, there was just so much in it _ the palace? that's right, there was just so much in it and _ the palace? that's right, there was just so much in it and so _ the palace? that's right, there was just so much in it and so much i the palace? that's right, there was just so much in it and so much to l just so much in it and so much to unpick. even though we were prepared for revelations, there were many more in there than i think many of us expected. there were issues of race, that uncomfortable questioning of harry that he told meghan about, regarding how dark archie's skin would be when he was born. there was theissue would be when he was born. there was the issue of how meghan was struggling and how she was treated, she went and asked officials in buckingham palace for help saying her mental health was not in a good place, it was so bad she had considered taking her own life. officials within the royal household said they could not help her, there was no where for her to go, it was one of the things she had to manage as part of the trappings of royal life. ithink as part of the trappings of royal life. i think some of those accusations are very direct to palace officials and they might feel they have to answer them. it is they have to answer them. it is important _ they have to answer them. it is important to — they have to answer them. it is important to say _ they have to answer them. it is important to say this _ they have to answer them. it is important to say this is one side of things, it's hard to put the other side because there has been no official response from the palace but with the nature of some of these allegations and some of the subject matter covered, there has to be a response at some stage, doesn't the? you would think that they would say something but it is very hard to judge. we aren't quite sure but there is no question that they will be digesting what has been set overnight, mulling over what their response should be. some of those accusations have been incredibly personal. and i think they are perhaps harder to deal with. some of the institutional problems around getting help, the support that was offered to meghan, the kind of help she was seeking that is not an offer to her, perhaps in those areas they may feel more comfortable putting their side of the story. but it's a very tricky one for them to balance. you have covered the royal family for a long time. how extraordinary is this interview, give us a bit of context this morning if you could. i think it's pretty extraordinary. i watched all of the trailers last week and i did some work ahead of the interview and i thought i was pretty prepared for what was coming. but i was taken by surprise by some of the detail and the personal nature of what had been said. you can't help but draw a comparison between what meghan said today and what harry's mother diana said in her big television interview as well, the same issues seem to have cropped up, feeling you are not supported, feeling lonely, feeling isolated. they are the same messages from both women and i think many people will be reflecting on that today. people will be reflecting on that toda . . ~ ,~. people will be reflecting on that toda . . ~ ., people will be reflecting on that toda . ., ~' i., ., ., today. thank you, our royal correspondent _ today. thank you, our royal correspondent is _ today. thank you, our royal correspondent is outside i today. thank you, our royal- correspondent is outside buckingham palace. let's continue talking about that. we're joined now by dean stott, a friend of the duke and duchess of sussex. he served with harry in the armed forces and joins us from los angeles. thank you forjoining us. i know you have watched the interview. what are your first impressions? have watched the interview. what are yourfirst impressions? i have watched the interview. what are your first impressions?— your first impressions? i thought it was a powerful. — your first impressions? i thought it was a powerful, honest, _ was a powerful, honest, uncomfortable at times, and up until now we have only heard stories that we get through the uk tabloids so it was an opportunity to dispel any sort of hearsay with facts. i think meghan was very respectful to the royal family. meghan was very respectful to the royalfamily. she meghan was very respectful to the royal family. she talked about the issue with kate, and that was all sorted, she talked about the relationship with the queen as well. i think then what we have got to be clear about, there is a distinction between the royal family and the institution. the royalfamily, institution. the royal family, meghan institution. the royalfamily, meghan only had praise for them. however the institution and the officials, they are the ones who have come out quite bad in this interview. d0 have come out quite bad in this interview-_ have come out quite bad in this interview. , ., ~' , . interview. do you think, dean, we know ou interview. do you think, dean, we know you know— interview. do you think, dean, we know you know harry _ interview. do you think, dean, we know you know harry quite - interview. do you think, dean, we know you know harry quite well, i know you know harry quite well, hearing about the reaction in america this morning from various guests and how it might have changed the perception of the royal family and the monarchy over there, do you think that prince harry might at some stage regret giving this interview? i some stage regret giving this interview?— some stage regret giving this interview? ., �* ~' interview? i don't think he will. i think obviously _ interview? i don't think he will. i think obviously something - interview? i don't think he will. i i think obviously something needed to be said. one thing that was quite powerful, i thought, be said. one thing that was quite powerful, ithought, he be said. one thing that was quite powerful, i thought, he said that his family were trapped within the system. he felt sorry for his brother and his dad. system. he felt sorry for his brotherand his dad. i'm hearing, what will the palace response be? will it be the royal family all the institutions? i don't think the family have a voice and —— will it be the royalfamily, or will it family have a voice and —— will it be the royal family, or will it be the institution? i don't think the family have a voice. he talks about his communication with his grandma, harry did, he has had more clean occasion with his grandmother and he has before so his bonds are still there with her. —— he has had more communication with them. but i think the institution is tainted with misogyny and bigotry. thea;r the institution is tainted with misogyny and bigotry. they have obviously decided _ misogyny and bigotry. they have obviously decided to _ misogyny and bigotry. they have obviously decided to do - misogyny and bigotry. they have obviously decided to do this - misogyny and bigotry. they have obviously decided to do this and | obviously decided to do this and talk to oprah and decided what they were going to say, and how much that it does to future family relationships. we talked about prince charles, for example, for some time, he talked about him not taking his calls. what does the future hold for harry? n taking his calls. what does the future hold for harry?- taking his calls. what does the future hold for harry? i think it is out there. _ future hold for harry? i think it is out there, what _ future hold for harry? i think it is out there, what has _ future hold for harry? i think it is out there, what has happened. . out there, what has happened. charles not taking his calls, i don't think his father was in a position to assist him. again, the narrative is being controlled by the institution. the fact that he is here now, and he has his life here, and he wants to be build those relationships, that is what is key. where do we go from now on? he has made it clear he wants to rebuild those relationships. find made it clear he wants to rebuild those relationships.— those relationships. and do you think they are _ those relationships. and do you think they are repairable, - those relationships. and do you think they are repairable, from | those relationships. and do you i think they are repairable, from what you know of the family and for prince harry in particular? there was a period he talked about where prince charles, his father, wasn't taking his calls, i wonder what the reaction would be today. i taking his calls, i wonder what the reaction would be today.— taking his calls, i wonder what the reaction would be today. i think all families have _ reaction would be today. i think all families have their— reaction would be today. i think all families have their arguments. i i families have their arguments. i think it is repairable. i actually came away from watching it having sympathy for the royal family. came away from watching it having sympathy for the royalfamily. they don't have a voice. when harry mentions that they are trapped, that's very uncomfortable to hear. probably the most uncomfortable thing i heard in the interview was meghan, she was crying, she voice that she had a mental health problems and needed assistance and no one was there to give her that assistance. i raise £900,000 for the royal foundation for their mental health campaign so they are very aware of the importance of mental health and to feel that she had nowhere to go, that is very difficult to hear.— nowhere to go, that is very difficult to hear. this is quite something — difficult to hear. this is quite something to _ difficult to hear. this is quite something to have _ difficult to hear. this is quite something to have done. i difficult to hear. this is quite | something to have done. you difficult to hear. this is quite - something to have done. you know them well, do you think they will knuckle down and hunker down now? i think so. this is their opportunity to voice their side. on the interview, they talked about, they were not being protected, they had no security. they had no other option than to step away and go it on their own. people say, they decided they didn't want to go into the limelight any more. they never said that. there is difference intrusion and content. they have their own media production and they know that they need the media to push the royal foundation. know that they need the media to push the royalfoundation. this is the baseline now, the transition period is over, the 12 months, and it is time to move forward for them. thank you so much for your time this morning. let's take a moment now to explore the potential ramifications of this interview, for both harry and meghan and for the royal family as a whole. the royal biographer anna pasternak joins us from henley—on—thames, and the author and women's rights activist, shola mos—shogbamimu and the author and women's rights activist, dr shola mos—shogbamimu is in south london. thank you so much forjoining us. i know you have both watched this interview in detail and there has been so much reaction. there has been so much reaction. there has been no doubt that it will divide people. from your point of view, shola mos—shogbamimu, what do you think of the most significant things that were said? i think of the most significant things that were said?— that were said? i think there is no doubt from _ that were said? i think there is no doubt from this _ that were said? i think there is no doubt from this interview - that were said? i think there is no doubt from this interview that i that were said? i think there is no doubt from this interview that the j doubt from this interview that the royal family failed doubt from this interview that the royalfamily failed harry doubt from this interview that the royal family failed harry and meghan. what you are going to find is there will be some white people who watch this interview and rather than take away from it are the root cause of what led harry and meghan to make the decision to step back, they will be blaming harry and meghan for the decision they had no choice but to make. the root cause of it is racism. the fact that the royal family failed to protect this couple from racist coverage, from death threats, the fact that the experiences harry and meghan had within the family led to meghan having suicidal thoughts, being lonely. it means that somebody dropped the ball. let's also be clear. when we talk about this issue, particularly the issue of members of the royal family having conversations about the colour of archie's skin, that is racist. for those who would like to see that as a family just those who would like to see that as a familyjust having a conversation, no, it's not. that kind of thinking normalises racism. so let us be very clear. the reason harry and meghan had no choice but to step away is because they had no protection from within the family and they had no protection outside the family. i believe they were let down. and there are many questions to ask but i think it is time for us to hold the monarchy to account. it's great that harry has a great relationship with his grandmother, the queen, and as i havejust with his grandmother, the queen, and as i have just recently said, let's applaud the queen when she has done something right. ithink applaud the queen when she has done something right. i think it calls into question what she did or did not do for her grandson when all of the things he's shared today were not new to prince charles or prince william, orthe not new to prince charles or prince william, or the queen. why is it no protection was given? why is it archie was denied a title or they were going to chase the conviction about giving him a title? why would people having those conversations about his skin tone? we need to call that question. i about his skin tone? we need to call that question-— that question. i want to bring in anna pasternak _ that question. i want to bring in anna pasternak on _ that question. i want to bring in anna pasternak on this. - that question. i want to bring in anna pasternak on this. dr- that question. i want to bring in l anna pasternak on this. dr shola says it is very clear, but is are we able to be clear if we have not heard one side of the story? there are two sides _ heard one side of the story? there are two sides to _ heard one side of the story? there are two sides to this _ heard one side of the story? there are two sides to this story. - heard one side of the story? there are two sides to this story. it's i are two sides to this story. it's very— are two sides to this story. it's very convenient to love these incendiary comments and suggestions about the _ incendiary comments and suggestions about the royal family. my opinion on the _ about the royal family. my opinion on the whole thing was i could not see the _ on the whole thing was i could not see the point of it. dr shola says that meghan and harry had no choice but to— that meghan and harry had no choice but to step _ that meghan and harry had no choice but to step back. that might be the case but _ but to step back. that might be the case but they certainly had a choice as to _ case but they certainly had a choice as to whether to speak out or not. everyone — as to whether to speak out or not. everyone has been saying, they look so happy— everyone has been saying, they look so happy now and there were so respectful— so happy now and there were so respectful to the queen. i could not disagree _ respectful to the queen. i could not disagree more. happy, content, peaceful— disagree more. happy, content, peaceful people do not seek revenge on a family— peaceful people do not seek revenge on a family and the institution. and to say— on a family and the institution. and to say they— on a family and the institution. and to say they respect the queen, this whole _ to say they respect the queen, this whole interview was an exercise in this respect— whole interview was an exercise in this respect of the monarchy. this is a woman— this respect of the monarchy. this is a woman who has dedicated seven generations — is a woman who has dedicated seven generations of her life to our country— generations of her life to our country committed duty, does she honestly— country committed duty, does she honestly need this whining and bleating — honestly need this whining and bleating of the spoilt pair, at this stage _ bleating of the spoilt pair, at this stage on— bleating of the spoilt pair, at this stage on her life and her husband is ill? ithink— stage on her life and her husband is ill? i think dr shola is right, this is incredibly divisive and there are those _ is incredibly divisive and there are those who— is incredibly divisive and there are those who will feel immense empathy and sympathy for meghan and those who will— and sympathy for meghan and those who will feel it is unnecessary to speak— who will feel it is unnecessary to speak out— who will feel it is unnecessary to speak out on this way. all this stuff— speak out on this way. all this stuff about prince charles not answering harry's calls, i'm a parent. — answering harry's calls, i'm a parent, sometimes when you're children— parent, sometimes when you're children are in sensing, it is good to not— children are in sensing, it is good to not answer their calls. it was a very— to not answer their calls. it was a very soft — to not answer their calls. it was a very soft serving soapy interview in meghan's— very soft serving soapy interview in meghan's favour, nobody asked her about— meghan's favour, nobody asked her about her— meghan's favour, nobody asked her about her relationship with her father. — about her relationship with her father, nobody asked her about the astonishing fact that she only had one member of herfamily astonishing fact that she only had one member of her family in her wedding. — one member of her family in her wedding, this is a woman who seems to have _ wedding, this is a woman who seems to have a _ wedding, this is a woman who seems to have a habit of falling out with people — to have a habit of falling out with people. none of her real behaviour was questioned. it was an exercise in torching — was questioned. it was an exercise in torching the house of windsor and i in torching the house of windsor and i came _ in torching the house of windsor and i came over— in torching the house of windsor and i came over the bad taste in my mouth — i came over the bad taste in my mouth. ~ . . . ., , , mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. _ mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. i— mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. i want _ mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. i want to - mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. i want to ask- mouth. we are awaiting a response from the palace. i want to ask you, j from the palace. i want to ask you, dr shola, we hear that there will be more to this interview as well. i suppose, what do they gain by giving out this kind of information, i suppose is the question? i out this kind of information, i suppose is the question? i suppose that is the wrong _ suppose is the question? i suppose that is the wrong question. - suppose is the question? i suppose that is the wrong question. you i that is the wrong question. you should be asking, or you should be saying why has it taken so long? think about the fact that for years, we have only had one side of the story. one side of the story. harry and meghan have said nothing, they had not been able to defend themselves, they have not been able to provide or say anything in response to a lot of the misinformation put out there. so why are people questioning and targeting them, for speaking out? what is wrong with that? you expect them to sit in this situation that they felt was abusive and suffocating them, especially when they were not being protected? let'sjust be especially when they were not being protected? let's just be clear here. rather than see this as revenge, or some kind of attack on the windsor family, ifind that some kind of attack on the windsor family, i find that utterly ridiculous. are we supposed to sit here and say that the royal family are above reproach? that they have done nothing wrong? how would you feel if that was happening to your family? we do not do something about it? i have no doubt that people will —— would you not do something about it? i have no doubt that people will watch this interview and many white people will not see the root causes racism because, as usual, racism is so normalised that people expect that the way it is going to look is different from what it actually is. the other thing is, they want to deny that the royal family as an institution is rooted in colonialism, it's rooted in racism, in white supremacy. that is what colonialism was. let's be fair, when harry and meghan talked about this, what this it is not is a surprise. what we should be doing is asking, what's going to happen now? rather than castigate them or cut aspersions on their character, which... anna's point about why meghan had no other members of her family, what has that got to do with anything? what has that got to do with her slice of bread? that there is a novel about _ with her slice of bread? that there is a novel about her— with her slice of bread? that there is a novel about her character. i with her slice of bread? that there| is a novel about her character. this is a novel about her character. this is not _ is a novel about her character. this is not necessarilyjust about colour. _ is not necessarilyjust about colour, this is about character. anyone — colour, this is about character. anyone like me who is white, privileged and well educated, who is not able _ privileged and well educated, who is not able to— privileged and well educated, who is not able to say anything without it being _ not able to say anything without it being seen as racist, this is not about— being seen as racist, this is not about racism, this is about character~ _ about racism, this is about character. we are in a minority these — character. we are in a minority these days. _ character. we are in a minority these days, we are silence for speaking _ these days, we are silence for speaking our truth. you these days, we are silence for speaking our truth.— these days, we are silence for speaking our truth. you are not bein: speaking our truth. you are not being silenced _ speaking our truth. you are not being silenced by _ speaking our truth. you are not being silenced by anybody. i speaking our truth. you are not being silenced by anybody. the j being silenced by anybody. the majority of voices for the longest time has been the white majority voice. the fact that more ethnic minorities are speaking out does not mean you are being silenced. should we be silenced? should we be silenced? ., . we be silenced? should we be silenced?— we be silenced? should we be silenced? ., . . . , ., silenced? you are certainly not silenced- _ silenced? you are certainly not silenced. should _ silenced? you are certainly not silenced. should we _ silenced? you are certainly not silenced. should we be - silenced? you are certainly not| silenced. should we be silenced because you _ silenced. should we be silenced because you feel _ silenced. should we be silenced because you feel fragile? - silenced. should we be silenced because you feel fragile? that l silenced. should we be silenced - because you feel fragile? that makes no sense, let's make some sense now. why don't you speak some sense? the ro al why don't you speak some sense? royal family is why don't you speak some sense? tie: royal family is rooted why don't you speak some sense? he royal family is rooted in why don't you speak some sense? tt2 royal family is rooted in racism, royalfamily is rooted in racism, colonialism, slavery, we understand that. i am saying that something happened to harry and meghan, somebody made comments about the colour of archie? skin, that is not a normalfamily colour of archie? skin, that is not a normal family question. colour of archie? skin, that is not a normalfamily question. dr colour of archie? skin, that is not a normal family question. dr shola, i have to a normal family question. dr shola, l have to jump _ a normal family question. dr shola, l have tojump in. — a normal family question. dr shola, i have tojump in, i— a normal family question. dr shola, i have to jump in, i don't _ a normal family question. dr shola, i have to jump in, i don't want - a normal family question. dr shola, i have to jump in, i don't want to i i have tojump in, i don't want to run out of time and i want to go back to and at some point. to pick up back to and at some point. to pick up on your point, and to reiterate one of the points from earlier, you say it is very clear and you are making points and comment this morning that we haven't heard the royal family's point of view, isn't it dangerous to make those assumptions and give those opinions without hearing a response to what has happened in the interview? i would like them to respond has happened in the interview? t would like them to respond directly to what was said in the interview. but then if we all applied deductive reasoning to everything that has happened in the last three or four years, the science silence —— the silence and complicity in the royal family in all the racist, negative, sexist and misogynist coverage of meghan, you have your answers because silence is complicity. just look into the _ because silence is complicity. just look into the future, anna, there is a lot about family here, and about personal relationships and the future of the monarchy, so how significant and how much difference will what they have said make? i will what they have said make? i think the most difficult thing is going — think the most difficult thing is going to — think the most difficult thing is going to be how meghan and harry are --oin going to be how meghan and harry are going to _ going to be how meghan and harry are going to find a way back to repair relations— going to find a way back to repair relations with their family. can i 'ust relations with their family. can i just say— relations with their family. can i just say i— relations with their family. can i just say i disagree with dr shola, she said — just say i disagree with dr shola, she said that silence is complicit. ithink— she said that silence is complicit. i think often there is great dignity in silence — i think often there is great dignity in silence and that is what the royal— in silence and that is what the royal family so far have done, and i hope _ royal family so far have done, and i hope that— royal family so far have done, and i hope that they don't dignify this interview— hope that they don't dignify this interview and a lot of what has been said about _ interview and a lot of what has been said about it— interview and a lot of what has been said about it with any comments. i think— said about it with any comments. i think this — said about it with any comments. i think this is — said about it with any comments. i think this is becoming a pr war. please _ think this is becoming a pr war. please could you let me speak now? | please could you let me speak now? i will please could you let me speak now? i will interrupt you both there because thank you very much indeed for speaking to us. i think we can see dr shola again, we can all agree that many people will disagree about this. thank you very much for your time. lots to unpick from that interview that harry and meghan gave to oprah winfrey, and oprah winfrey will be on the cbs morning show tomorrow morning. find on the cbs morning show tomorrow morninu. �* . on the cbs morning show tomorrow morninu. �* , ., ., . morning. and there is more, it was a two-hour programme _ morning. and there is more, it was a two-hour programme but _ morning. and there is more, it was a two-hour programme but with - morning. and there is more, it was a two-hour programme but with lots . morning. and there is more, it was a| two-hour programme but with lots of two—hour programme but with lots of adverts, and he has said that there is more to come.— is more to come. let's have a look at the weather. _ no shouting allowed! good morning, everybody! there is a lot going on with the weather, relatively fine but there is some rain in the forecast. but overnight wednesday into thursday, the wind will ramp up. it will become gusty particularly on thursday. we have cloud and rain in northern ireland, parts of scotland, northern england, getting into the north midlands and north wales. on either side of that, it has been a chilly start but there is some sunshine as well with light breezes. this is a hooked weather front that will continue to to slip southwards, into the north sea, and another week where the front will be introduced in the west. —— weak weather front. introduced in the west. —— weak weatherfront. there introduced in the west. —— weak weather front. there will be some frost in the south. tomorrow we start off with sunshine and deck the clearer skies. start off with sunshine and deck the clearerskies. here start off with sunshine and deck the clearer skies. here is the first weak weather front, not much on it, just the odd spot of rain and some cloud. the second weak weather front bringing more rain across wales. later in the day we will see more persistent rain coming from the atlantic, this is an area of low pressure which will be accompanied by strengthening winds. at this stage, the strongest winds will be across the western scotland, but in the dry conditions with some sunshine, 12 degrees will not feel too bad. there is just one story in town today! —— there is notjust one story in town today! today will be a special day for many families in england as restrictions are eased in care homes. each resident will be allowed one person who can visit them indoors, although hugging and kissing remain forbidden. luxmy gopal is at a care home in scarborough. good morning. it is a day that many people in care homes and many people with loved ones in care homes have been deftly waiting for. from today they can finally, after months and months without, they can finally meet up in person, indoors, face—to—face, and they can hold hands. up until now, visit in care homes have had to be through proactive —— protective screens or in specially designed visiting pods orjust through the window. from today that degree of separation has changed. there are some conditions, because covid has not gone away so visit have to be done with ppe and covid testing and it is up to the discretion of each care home and significantly, it isjust discretion of each care home and significantly, it is just one discretion of each care home and significantly, it isjust one person who can be chosen as the visitor. as you can imagine, that has led to some difficult decisions in families. who is the person, who is the one that can visit mum in person and hold her hand? that has faced this brother and sister whose mum is in this care home. first of all if we start with you, how difficult has it been not being able to see your mum face—to—face all these months? it's been absolutely heartbreaking. just it's been absolutely heartbreaking. just to— it's been absolutely heartbreaking. just to not— it's been absolutely heartbreaking. just to not be able to touch her, normally— just to not be able to touch her, normally i— just to not be able to touch her, normally i spend every day with her. it normally i spend every day with her. it has _ normally i spend every day with her. it hasjust_ normally i spend every day with her. it hasjust been, and from her point of view. _ it hasjust been, and from her point of view. i_ it hasjust been, and from her point of view, i can't imagine what she is thinking _ of view, i can't imagine what she is thinkina. . ., ., i. of view, i can't imagine what she is thinkina. . ., ., . thinking. paul, the two of you are in a bubble. _ thinking. paul, the two of you are 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which is. sometimes all you need. just to show her you _ sometimes all you need. just to show her you still_ sometimes all you need. just to show her you still care, _ sometimes all you need. just to show her you still care, which _ sometimes all you need. just to show her you still care, which you - sometimes all you need. just to show her you still care, which you don't- her you still care, which you don't .et her you still care, which you don't get through— her you still care, which you don't get through a _ her you still care, which you don't get through a phone. _ her you still care, which you don't get through a phone. we - her you still care, which you don't get through a phone. we are - her you still care, which you don't. get through a phone. we are really looking _ get through a phone. we are really looking forward _ get through a phone. we are really looking forward to _ get through a phone. we are really looking forward to it. _ get through a phone. we are really looking forward to it. horat- get through a phone. we are really looking forward to it.— get through a phone. we are really looking forward to it. how much of a difference has _ looking forward to it. how much of a difference has it _ looking forward to it. how much of a difference has it made _ looking forward to it. how much of a difference has it made it _ looking forward to it. how much of a difference has it made it to - looking forward to it. how much of a difference has it made it to your - difference has it made it to your mother, not being able to have that physical contact?— physical contact? we're not really sure, physical contact? we're not really sure. because _ physical contact? we're not really sure, because she _ physical contact? we're not really sure, because she has _ physical contact? we're not really sure, because she has more - physical contact? we're not really sure, because she has more or i physical contact? we're not really i sure, because she has more or less stopped _ sure, because she has more or less stopped speaking. sol sure, because she has more or less stopped speaking. so i think she's very. _ stopped speaking. so i think she's very. very— stopped speaking. so i think she's very, very upset, and doesn't really understand — very, very upset, and doesn't really understand why we are so close but not there _ understand why we are so close but not there i— understand why we are so close but not there. i don't think she totally understands, really. find not there. i don't think she totally understands, really.— understands, really. and what difference _ understands, really. and what difference do _ understands, really. and what difference do you _ understands, really. and what difference do you think - understands, really. and what difference do you think that i difference do you think that physical contact will make? i difference do you think that physical contact will make? i think it will make _ physical contact will make? i think it will make a _ physical contact will make? i think it will make a massive _ physical contact will make? i think it will make a massive amount - physical contact will make? i think it will make a massive amount of. it will make a massive amount of difference — it will make a massive amount of difference because _ it will make a massive amount of difference because you _ it will make a massive amount of difference because you can - it will make a massive amount of difference because you can say. it will make a massive amount of| difference because you can say so much _ difference because you can say so much with — difference because you can say so much with contact _ difference because you can say so much with contact that _ difference because you can say so much with contact that you - difference because you can say so| much with contact that you cannot with words — much with contact that you cannot with words to _ much with contact that you cannot with words. to say— much with contact that you cannot with words. to say the _ much with contact that you cannot with words. to say the person - much with contact that you cannot. with words. to say the person knows even _ with words. to say the person knows even there — with words. to say the person knows even there and _ with words. to say the person knows even there. and for— with words. to say the person knows even there. and for us _ with words. to say the person knows even there. and for us just _ with words. to say the person knows even there. and for us just to - with words. to say the person knows even there. and for us just to hold . even there. and for us just to hold her hand _ even there. and for us just to hold her hand and — even there. and for us just to hold her hand and show— even there. and for us just to hold her hand and show how— even there. and for us just to hold her hand and show how we - even there. and for us just to hold her hand and show how we care, l even there. and for us just to hold - her hand and show how we care, show her hand and show how we care, show her the _ her hand and show how we care, show her the love _ her hand and show how we care, show her the love still— her hand and show how we care, show her the love still there, _ her hand and show how we care, show her the love still there, sometimes i her the love still there, sometimes you don't— her the love still there, sometimes you don't need _ her the love still there, sometimes you don't need anything _ her the love still there, sometimes you don't need anything more - her the love still there, sometimes you don't need anything more than| you don't need anything more than that _ you don't need anything more than that. ., . , ., you don't need anything more than that. ., . i. that. how have you reached the decision of _ that. how have you reached the decision of who _ that. how have you reached the decision of who is _ that. how have you reached the decision of who is going - that. how have you reached the decision of who is going to - that. how have you reached the decision of who is going to be i that. how have you reached the i decision of who is going to be the one to visit her? i decision of who is going to be the one to visit her?— one to visit her? i 'ust thought paul was very — one to visit her? ijust thought paul was very kind, _ one to visit her? ijust thought paul was very kind, but - one to visit her? ijust thought paul was very kind, but also i l one to visit her? i just thought - paul was very kind, but also i think it was— paul was very kind, but also i think it was because i have been with her every— it was because i have been with her every day— it was because i have been with her every day for a long time, haven't i? every day for a long time, haven't i? because— every day for a long time, haven't i? because i— every day for a long time, haven't i? because i live closest, only next door _ i? because i live closest, only next door so _ i? because i live closest, only next door so i — i? because i live closest, only next door. so i have been every day with her and _ door. so i have been every day with herand caring for door. so i have been every day with her and caring for her this last year — her and caring for her this last year it— her and caring for her this last ear. , ., , . . , year. it must of been particularly difficult for _ year. it must of been particularly difficult for you _ year. it must of been particularly difficult for you to _ year. it must of been particularly difficult for you to have - year. it must of been particularly difficult for you to have the - difficult for you to have the separation?— difficult for you to have the se aration? , . . separation? yes, dreadful, dreadful. how much are _ separation? yes, dreadful, dreadful. how much are you _ separation? yes, dreadful, dreadful. how much are you looking _ separation? yes, dreadful, dreadful. how much are you looking forward i separation? yes, dreadful, dreadful. | how much are you looking forward to having that contact? filth. how much are you looking forward to having that contact?— having that contact? oh, so much, 'ust having that contact? oh, so much, just unbelievable, _ having that contact? oh, so much, just unbelievable, a _ having that contact? oh, so much, just unbelievable, a fabulous - having that contact? oh, so much, just unbelievable, a fabulous day. | just unbelievable, a fabulous day. you will— just unbelievable, a fabulous day. you will need to put some ppe on, so we will let you go and get ready, and in the meantime, let's speak to mike, who is the care home owner and you only care homes across the region. —— you own care homes. just talk about the impact you have seen on people in care homes and their family members from not having that contact. . . ., .. family members from not having that contact. . .., , , contact. human contact is very important — contact. human contact is very important and _ contact. human contact is very important and i _ contact. human contact is very important and i have _ contact. human contact is very| important and i have witnessed contact. human contact is very i important and i have witnessed a contact. human contact is very - important and i have witnessed a lot of distress _ important and i have witnessed a lot of distress calls over what has been a year— of distress calls over what has been a year in _ of distress calls over what has been a year in some places. we are pleased — a year in some places. we are pleased to _ a year in some places. we are pleased to take part but we are doing _ pleased to take part but we are doing it — pleased to take part but we are doing it cautiously and in some cases, _ doing it cautiously and in some cases, particularly those with dementia, they have not recognised their loved — dementia, they have not recognised their loved ones so it's vital that we get _ their loved ones so it's vital that we get started as soon as possible but we get started as soon as possible out with— we get started as soon as possible but with some caution of course. we cannot but with some caution of course. cannot ignore but with some caution of course. , cannot ignore the fact that care homes have been very brutally affected by the pandemic and by covid deaths. so how comfortable are you with this sort of opening up of care homes and allowing visitors in this way? i care homes and allowing visitors in this wa ? ~ . care homes and allowing visitors in this wa ? ,, . , this way? i think we are sometimes cau~ht this way? i think we are sometimes caught between _ this way? i think we are sometimes caught between a — this way? i think we are sometimes caught between a rock _ this way? i think we are sometimes caught between a rock and - this way? i think we are sometimes caught between a rock and a - this way? i think we are sometimes caught between a rock and a hard l caught between a rock and a hard place _ caught between a rock and a hard place we — caught between a rock and a hard place. we want to go visiting going, but there _ place. we want to go visiting going, but there were risks involved, there were risks _ but there were risks involved, there were risks not opening up but also risks— were risks not opening up but also risks with — were risks not opening up but also risks with people not seeing their loved _ risks with people not seeing their loved ones. so it is a balanced way forward _ loved ones. so it is a balanced way forward and — loved ones. so it is a balanced way forward and hopefully we will be reuniting — forward and hopefully we will be reuniting many people over the last -- next— reuniting many people over the last -- next few— reuniting many people over the last —— next few months. and reuniting many people over the last -- next few months.— -- next few months. and you are auoin to -- next few months. and you are going to be _ -- next few months. and you are going to be reunited _ -- next few months. and you are going to be reunited with - -- next few months. and you are going to be reunited with your i -- next few months. and you are l going to be reunited with your own mother soon?— going to be reunited with your own mother soon? , ., , , ., mother soon? yes, hopefully today, i will be very — mother soon? yes, hopefully today, i will be very pleased _ mother soon? yes, hopefully today, i will be very pleased to _ mother soon? yes, hopefully today, i will be very pleased to see _ mother soon? yes, hopefully today, i will be very pleased to see her. i will be very pleased to see her. let's _ will be very pleased to see her. let's come _ will be very pleased to see her. let's come back to you in a moment. you have your ppe on, and you have had your covid negative test, as have i and the cameraman as well, so now is the moment for you to go and say hello to your mother.— say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! — say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at _ say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at last! _ say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at last! at _ say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at last! at last- say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at last! at last i'm - say hello to your mother. mum? 0h, mum! mum! at last! at last i'm in! l mum! mum! at last! at last i'm in! oh, mum! mum! at last! at last i'm in! oh. oh _ mum! mum! at last! at last i'm in! oh. oh isn't— mum! mum! at last! at last i'm in! oh, oh. isn't that lovely? smile at me again. — oh, oh. isn't that lovely? smile at me again, mum. smile at me again. oh, me again, mum. smile at me again. oh. thank— me again, mum. smile at me again. oh, thank you, mum! isn't this 0h, thank you, mum! isn't this tovety— oh, thank you, mum! isn't this tovety after _ oh, thank you, mum! isn't this lovely after all this time. kathleen and anne, thank _ lovely after all this time. kathleen and anne, thank you _ lovely after all this time. kathleen and anne, thank you so _ lovely after all this time. kathleen and anne, thank you so much i lovely after all this time. kathleen and anne, thank you so much for. and anne, thank you so much for letting us share this moment with you, how does it feel? filth. letting us share this moment with you, how does it feel?— you, how does it feel? oh, thank ou, 'ust you, how does it feel? oh, thank you. just lovely. _ you, how does it feel? oh, thank you, just lovely, isn't _ you, how does it feel? oh, thank you, just lovely, isn't it? - you, how does it feel? oh, thank you, just lovely, isn't it? isn't- you, just lovely, isn't it? isn't it, you, just lovely, isn't it? isn't it. mum? _ you, just lovely, isn't it? isn't it. mum? at— you, just lovely, isn't it? isn't it, mum? at last. i mist you so much, — it, mum? at last. i mist you so much, mum _ it, mum? at last. i mist you so much. mum-— it, mum? at last. i mist you so much, mum. . ,, . much, mum. thank you so much, we will let that — much, mum. thank you so much, we will let that reunion _ much, mum. thank you so much, we will let that reunion continue. -- i i will let that reunion continue. -- i missed you _ will let that reunion continue. -- i missed you so _ will let that reunion continue. -- i missed you so much, _ will let that reunion continue. -- i missed you so much, mum. i i will let that reunion continue. -- i missed you so much, mum. i bit i will let that reunion continue. -- i l missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held — missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held on. _ missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held on, it _ missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held on, it is _ missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held on, it is amazing - missed you so much, mum. i bit of hand-held on, it is amazing what i hand—held on, it is amazing what difference it can make. very emotional watching that. i know so many people will be watching and nervous about that moment and it is lovely to see it. and in scotland care home residents have been able to pick two visitors who can each attend once a week. that is a real change for people today so that is nice. lats that is a real change for people today so that is nice.— today so that is nice. lots of eo - le today so that is nice. lots of people are _ today so that is nice. lots of people are mentioning i today so that is nice. lots of people are mentioning as i today so that is nice. lots of. people are mentioning as well today so that is nice. lots of- people are mentioning as well today, as we go back to those normal conversations and normal interactions, and lots of people go back to school, there is an understandable nervousness for many people. we get that from having those conversations again and being backin those conversations again and being back in those spaces and having the proximity to people we have not had for a long time. taste proximity to people we have not had for a long time-— proximity to people we have not had for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky — for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky to _ for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky to sit _ for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky to sit next _ for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky to sit next to _ for a long time. we have been lucky! i'm so lucky to sit next to you, i i'm so lucky to sit next to you, dan! b. i'm so lucky to sit next to you, dan! �* . . time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. half we're on bbc one until 9.15, after which it's morning live. kym and gethin can tell us what's on today's show. will do that later. now the news where you are. good morning, i'm sonja jessup. the family of a woman from brixton, who's been missing for more than four days, say they're desperate for news. sarah everard left a friend's house in clapham on wednesday night. she was picked up on cctv walking along the south circular about half an hour later, but hasn't been seen since. children across the capital are returning to school today, as lockdown begins to ease. and all this week, bbc london will be focusing on one community in roehampton, looking at how they've coped during the pandemic. heathmere primary school on the alton estate has been preparing to welcome all its pupils back. teachers and staff who work in schools, we have a really robust risk assessment. i think people understand how to keep themselves safe. we know so much more about covid than we did during the first lockdown. we know what we need to do to keep ourselves safe. if we have to close a bubble, we close it. we've got the remote learning plans in place. so i'm feeling positive about it because i'm looking forward to having the children back and i think it will probably be how it was in september. meanwhile, there's a surprise for children returning to brampton park primary in bexley heath today. 380 teddies have been donated by the parent and teacher association, to offer a bit of extra comfort to any pupils anxious about coming back to class. staff and visitors at guy's and st thomas' hospital in south london will be greeted by this new art installation, called the tunnel of light. nine metres long, it's designed to represent a symbol of hope as lockdown eases. let's take a look at the travel situation now. on the tube, there's been a signal failure at aldgate. the circle line has severe delays clockwise, as does the hammersmith and city line. and the metropolitan line isn't running between baker street and aldgate. this is how it looks in hanworth — roadworks are causing delays in both directions on the a316 great chertsey road at the the hospital bridge roundabout. and it's slow on putney high street. the temporary traffic lights have broken at putney bridge road. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it's a chilly, frosty start to the new working week, temperatures in some of our southern home counties down as low as —3, minus four celsius. a little milder further north, a bit more in the way of cloud here. as we head throughout the day today, then the cloud will tend to break up. we should all see some spells of sunshine on and off. the winds are light and it will stay dry, certainly milder than it was over the weekend. in fact most of us will see double figures, nine to ii celsius. as we head through this evening and overnight again, it's going to be cold, but perhaps not quite as chilly as the nightjust gone. nevertheless, where we see some lengthy clear spells, temperatures will drop to slightly below freezing and it will stay dry and the winds are fairly light. now, tomorrow, again, plenty more sunshine to come. it should stay dry throughout the day. it will feel even milder still, 11 or 12 celsius. as we head through the afternoon, the cloud is set to thicken and the wind could pick up as well by the end of the day. very wet, very windy at times as we head through wednesday and thursday. i'm back in half an hour. it's back to dan and louise, bye for now. we are bothjuggling because i suspect i made the crew on morning livejump a couple suspect i made the crew on morning live jump a couple of minutes ago when i introduced them four minutes early. good morning. stare when i introduced them four minutes early. good morning.— when i introduced them four minutes early. good morning. are you ready? you were so — early. good morning. are you ready? you were so excited. _ early. good morning. are you ready? you were so excited. we _ early. good morning. are you ready? you were so excited. we were - early. good morning. are you ready? j you were so excited. we were poised and ready to — you were so excited. we were poised and ready to go. _ you were so excited. we were poised and ready to go, then _ you were so excited. we were poised and ready to go, then we _ you were so excited. we were poised and ready to go, then we went i you were so excited. we were poised and ready to go, then we went and i and ready to go, then we went and put the _ and ready to go, then we went and put the kettle on. it all worked out _ we've heard on breakfast the good news about children in england heading back to the classroom, but there's also lots of anxiety too. dr xand is here and he'll be answering your questions. so if you have any concerns, please do get in touch. what else have you got for us, xand? under the current road map, - as of today, care home residents can hold hands with one regular visitor, but i spoke to one care home - that's been allowing physical contact — i including hugs — for months. | find out why and what impact it hadj on residents and families very soon. someone else who's been busy if your very own naga munchetty. she's been travelling around the country for a new documentary trying to understand what race and racism mean in the uk today. she'll be telling us what she found out — a little later on. also today, do you know - the warning signs of a stroke? gloria hunniford does and she'll be revealing what to look out for. i she'll also be telling us how her fast thinking i saved her husband's life. and from saving lives to fighting crime — ahead of the brand new series of crimewatch live, rav wilding appeals for your help in solving some of the country's biggest unsolved cases. and with red nose dayl on the horizon, we have a comic relief exclusive! find out why we're teaming up i with pop megastar harry styles, and why he wants you to put i on your dancing shoes and treat people wth kindness. all that and more at 9:15. thank you very much indeed. we were all lookin: thank you very much indeed. we were all looking forward _ thank you very much indeed. we were all looking forward to _ thank you very much indeed. we were all looking forward to that _ all looking forward to that programme and there is a lot on it. exactly! if you live in england, there's a good chance you'll be having a more hectic monday morning than you've become used to in the last couple of months. that's because millions of children are going back to the classroom today, although secondary school pupils will need to test negative for covid first. breakfast�*sjohn maguire is at a testing centre in york to tell us more. good morning. good morning both. we are in york next — good morning. good morning both. we are in york next to _ good morning. good morning both. we are in york next to the _ good morning. good morning both. we are in york next to the rover— are in york next to the rover institute. this is an old victorian railway shed built a long time ago but it is a sports centre these days. today it has become a testing centre used by all saints catholic school here as one of their support centres. the children from year nine are being shown exactly how to do their testing. are being shown exactly how to do theirtesting. in are being shown exactly how to do their testing. in common with schools across the country. this is the second time they have been shown how to do the test. they will be put through their paces. they will have another one under this level of supervision and then they will be tested at home. let's talk to the head teacher, sharon. i bet there is never a dull day when you have m50 pupils. today is an unusual day? yes, we are really looking forward to them _ yes, we are really looking forward to them coming back. they will be arriving _ to them coming back. they will be arriving just about now and i am sure _ arriving just about now and i am sure they— arriving just about now and i am sure they are really excited. i am sure _ sure they are really excited. i am sure their— sure they are really excited. i am sure their parents are really excited _ sure their parents are really excited as well about the return to schoot~ _ excited as well about the return to schoot~ it — excited as well about the return to school. it has been a tough two months. — school. it has been a tough two months. i— school. it has been a tough two months, i think. school. it has been a tough two months, ithink. the school. it has been a tough two months, i think. the staff have really _ months, i think. the staff have really stepped up. they have done such a _ really stepped up. they have done such a lot — really stepped up. they have done such a lot to support them with their— such a lot to support them with their remote learning. there isjust nothing _ their remote learning. there isjust nothing like — their remote learning. there isjust nothing like being in a classroom and that— nothing like being in a classroom and that face—to—face interaction. that is— and that face—to—face interaction. that is what it is about, being a teacher, — that is what it is about, being a teacher, building those relationships. but we wouldn't have been able _ relationships. but we wouldn't have been able to do this, we wouldn't have _ been able to do this, we wouldn't have had — been able to do this, we wouldn't have had all of these students tested — have had all of these students tested. we have had 95% of our students — tested. we have had 95% of our students tested. that gives real reassurance to the staff as they go in. reassurance to the staff as they go in but— reassurance to the staff as they go in. but without the railway institute to help us, our school is a city _ institute to help us, our school is a city school and we are limited with _ a city school and we are limited with space, so this isjust a wonderful partnership between us and them _ wonderful partnership between us and them. . wonderful partnership between us and them. , , . . , them. there will be understandable levels of anxiety. not everybody i levels of anxiety. not everybody desperate to get back, despite what parents think?— parents think? yes, our students last week said _ parents think? yes, our students last week said they _ parents think? yes, our students last week said they were - parents think? yes, our students last week said they were excited | last week said they were excited about _ last week said they were excited about coming back. there will be some _ about coming back. there will be some who — about coming back. there will be some who are worried. we will put support— some who are worried. we will put support in— some who are worried. we will put support in place to help them. fantastic _ support in place to help them. fantastic. let's talk to kate gary, the head girl here at the school. what are your thoughts? i’m the head girl here at the school. what are your thoughts? i'm really ha - to what are your thoughts? i'm really happy to be _ what are your thoughts? i'm really happy to be back- _ what are your thoughts? i'm really happy to be back. it _ what are your thoughts? i'm really happy to be back. it has _ what are your thoughts? i'm really happy to be back. it has been i what are your thoughts? i'm really| happy to be back. it has been really hard to— happy to be back. it has been really hard to not — happy to be back. it has been really hard to not see your friends and trying _ hard to not see your friends and trying to— hard to not see your friends and trying to keep up with your studies. ithink— trying to keep up with your studies. i think the — trying to keep up with your studies. i think the majority of people, they are really— i think the majority of people, they are really excited to see each other again _ are really excited to see each other aaain. ~ . . are really excited to see each other auain.~ . , . , ., again. what is the hardest part of the last year— again. what is the hardest part of the last year been? _ again. what is the hardest part of the last year been? i _ again. what is the hardest part of the last year been? i would i again. what is the hardest part of the last year been? i would say . the last year been? i would say missin: the last year been? i would say missing out _ the last year been? i would say missing out on _ the last year been? i would say missing out on the _ the last year been? i would say missing out on the social- the last year been? i would say missing out on the social part l the last year been? i would say| missing out on the social part of it. missing out on the social part of it we _ missing out on the social part of it we are — missing out on the social part of it. we are all turning 18 this year, so we _ it. we are all turning 18 this year, so we are — it. we are all turning 18 this year, so we are missing out on a lot of events — so we are missing out on a lot of events but _ so we are missing out on a lot of events. but also trying to stay motivated when we have been at home, trying _ motivated when we have been at home, trying to— motivated when we have been at home, trying to balance doing our school work, _ trying to balance doing our school work, revising in the same room all day, _ work, revising in the same room all day, it_ work, revising in the same room all day, it has— work, revising in the same room all day, it has been hard to stay motivated.— day, it has been hard to stay motivated. , ' .y ., motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the arents of motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the parents of two _ motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the parents of two boys _ motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the parents of two boys at _ motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the parents of two boys at the _ motivated. good stuff. lucy cox, the parents of two boys at the school. i parents of two boys at the school. how are your son is feeling about coming back? i how are your son is feeling about coming back?— coming back? i think they are excited coming _ coming back? i think they are excited coming back. - coming back? i think they are excited coming back. they . coming back? i think they are | excited coming back. they are looking — excited coming back. they are looking forward to seeing friends again _ looking forward to seeing friends again. that is one of the most important _ again. that is one of the most important parts, is one of the education, that social interaction. at that _ education, that social interaction. at that age it is so important. what about for you. _ at that age it is so important. what about for you, some _ at that age it is so important. what about for you, some relief - at that age it is so important. wuat about for you, some relief at at that age it is so important. wusgt about for you, some relief at home? put that the whiteboard! yes. about for you, some relief at home? put that the whiteboard!— put that the whiteboard! yes, i will do a bit more _ put that the whiteboard! yes, i will do a bit more now— put that the whiteboard! yes, i will do a bit more now the _ put that the whiteboard! yes, i will do a bit more now the boys - put that the whiteboard! yes, i will do a bit more now the boys are - put that the whiteboard! yes, i will| do a bit more now the boys are back at schoot _ do a bit more now the boys are back at school. , ' do a bit more now the boys are back at school. , , ., ~ do a bit more now the boys are back at school. , ' ., ~ i. at school. good stuff. thank you very much _ at school. good stuff. thank you very much indeed. _ at school. good stuff. thank you very much indeed. testing - at school. good stuff. thank you - very much indeed. testing continues for the next couple of days. the school is back today with lessons later on. i was thinking earlier, especially listening to the report from the care home, it is the human contact, the thing that has meant the pandemic has spread around the world, but it is probably the biggest thing we have almost over the past year. this type of thing is a step back to ensuring that we can get back to whatever that normal sense of life is.— sense of life is. john, thank you. that will be _ sense of life is. john, thank you. that will be a _ sense of life is. john, thank you. that will be a scene _ sense of life is. john, thank you. that will be a scene in _ sense of life is. john, thank you. that will be a scene in many - sense of life is. john, thank you. - that will be a scene in many schools this morning. thank you. let’s this morning. thank you. let's continue to — this morning. thank you. let's continue to talk— this morning. thank you. let's continue to talk about - this morning. thank you. let's continue to talk about what i this morning. thank you. let�*s continue to talk about what john was continue to talk about whatjohn was talking about there. earlier on breakfast we heard from the children's minister on the full re—opening of schools in england. now we can speak to the shadow education secretary, kate green, who's in westminster. good morning. lovely to speak to you. how are you feeling this morning? what are your thoughts about, i can't say schools reopening, but because a lot of... i reopening, but because a lot of... i am really delighted that we are seeing — am really delighted that we are seeing students returning to school this week — seeing students returning to school this week. we have always said school — this week. we have always said school is — this week. we have always said school is the best place for children. _ school is the best place for children, best for their school is the best place for children, best fortheir learning, children, best for their learning, obviously — children, best fortheir learning, obviously. but also for their social and emotional well—being and for having _ and emotional well—being and for having some routine and structure to their day~ _ having some routine and structure to their day~ so — having some routine and structure to their day. sol having some routine and structure to their day. so i am really pleased that we — their day. so i am really pleased that we are able to see schools welcoming their pupils back. and i know— welcoming their pupils back. and i know how— welcoming their pupils back. and i know how hard they have been working to prepare _ know how hard they have been working to prepare for it today. and to make sure everyone can be safely back in school, _ sure everyone can be safely back in school, not — sure everyone can be safely back in school, notjust come back sure everyone can be safely back in school, not just come back to school but stay _ school, not just come back to school but stay back in school. because what _ but stay back in school. because what we — but stay back in school. because what we really don't want to see is what _ what we really don't want to see is what we _ what we really don't want to see is what we saw in the term before christmas, _ what we saw in the term before christmas, children going in and out, _ christmas, children going in and out, being — christmas, children going in and out, being sent back to isolate. we want _ out, being sent back to isolate. we want children now to stay in class. on that— want children now to stay in class. on that issue of starting and then stopping potentially, we spoke to professor calum semple about this issue and he explained quite clearly that cases are expected to rise and will rise in the coming weeks because of all these pupils and teachers being back together again. dr susan hopkins of public outing that was suggesting that if the r number goes back above one, schools could potentially be posed. do you agree with that? do you think that is something that could, should happen? i is something that could, should ha en? ., ~' is something that could, should ha . en? ., 4' ., happen? i do think the government will have to — happen? i do think the government will have to be _ happen? i do think the government will have to be very _ happen? i do think the government will have to be very mindful - happen? i do think the government will have to be very mindful of - happen? i do think the government will have to be very mindful of the l will have to be very mindful of the data and _ will have to be very mindful of the data and take any steps and response to what _ data and take any steps and response to what it _ data and take any steps and response to what it is _ data and take any steps and response to what it is showing. if there are developments that needs to be taken account— developments that needs to be taken account of _ developments that needs to be taken account of. but i also think the government he doing more to support government be doing more to support schools— government he doing more to support schools and _ government he doing more to support schools and the covid security measures _ schools and the covid security measures they are taking to minimise the spread _ measures they are taking to minimise the spread of infection. for example, we have called for the nightingale classrooms that would enable _ nightingale classrooms that would enable them to space out students and staff, — enable them to space out students and staff, have more social distancing. we suggested vaccinating teachers _ distancing. we suggested vaccinating teachers during half term. we would still like _ teachers during half term. we would still like to _ teachers during half term. we would still like to see priority for school _ still like to see priority for school staff because if the staff are off — school staff because if the staff are off sick, or having to take time out because — are off sick, or having to take time out because of long covid, for example. _ out because of long covid, for example, that means children can't be back— example, that means children can't be back in— example, that means children can't be back in the classroom. it is why it's really— be back in the classroom. it is why it's really important that schools .et it's really important that schools get the — it's really important that schools get the support they need to run the testing _ get the support they need to run the testing programmes that we were just looking _ testing programmes that we were just looking at. _ testing programmes that we were just looking at, for example in york. that _ looking at, for example in york. that has — looking at, for example in york. that has been a really big exercise for schools — that has been a really big exercise for schools to put those arrangements in place. and the government needs to give them every support— government needs to give them every support to _ government needs to give them every support to run those. i government needs to give them every support to run those.— support to run those. i asked you the question. _ support to run those. i asked you the question, you _ support to run those. i asked you the question, you gave _ support to run those. i asked you the question, you gave the - support to run those. i asked you | the question, you gave the answer but you didn't answer it specifically. if the r number went above one, would you, as the labour party, would you suggest schools should close again? i party, would you suggest schools should close again?— party, would you suggest schools should close again? i think we have to look at the _ should close again? i think we have to look at the whole _ should close again? i think we have to look at the whole context. - should close again? i think we have to look at the whole context. the . should close again? i think we have to look at the whole context. the r j to look at the whole context. the r number _ to look at the whole context. the r number it _ to look at the whole context. the r number it is — to look at the whole context. the r number it is important, as are mortality— number it is important, as are mortality rates and other data about the spread _ mortality rates and other data about the spread of the infection. we do know— the spread of the infection. we do know of— the spread of the infection. we do know of course that thankfully children — know of course that thankfully children themselves are less at risk of serious _ children themselves are less at risk of serious illness. they are at risk, — of serious illness. they are at risk, seriously at long—term risk to their— risk, seriously at long—term risk to their well—being and their future their well— being and their future prospects, their well—being and their future prospects, if they are not able to be in _ prospects, if they are not able to be in school and see their learning disrupted — be in school and see their learning disrupted. it will be a balance. and it will— disrupted. it will be a balance. and it will be _ disrupted. it will be a balance. and it will be necessary to take account of all _ it will be necessary to take account of all the _ it will be necessary to take account of all the different factors. obviously injanuary, we did say that schools would need to close when _ that schools would need to close when the — that schools would need to close when the evidence was very clear that the — when the evidence was very clear that the r — when the evidence was very clear that the r number couldn't be brought— that the r number couldn't be brought down. but i hope the government will be taking absolutely every measure necessary to make sure that children _ every measure necessary to make sure that children can stay safely in school — that children can stay safely in school. it's the best place for them — school. it's the best place for them. ., .., ., school. it's the best place for them. ., ., ., ., them. your colleague jonathan ashworth was _ them. your colleague jonathan ashworth was talking - them. your colleague jonathan | ashworth was talking yesterday them. your colleague jonathan - ashworth was talking yesterday about teachers being prioritised for the vaccine. i know this is a hot topic of debate as to whether we prioritise age or we prioritise occupation. where do you stand on that? j occupation. where do you stand on that? ., ., , ~ ., , that? i would really like to see school staff — that? i would really like to see school staff and _ that? i would really like to see school staff and people - that? i would really like to see school staff and people in - that? i would really like to see school staff and people in the | school staff and people in the education system prioritised for the vaccine, _ education system prioritised for the vaccine, because, as i say, if we haven't— vaccine, because, as i say, if we haven't got— vaccine, because, as i say, if we haven't got the staff in school then we can't _ haven't got the staff in school then we can't have children in class. they— we can't have children in class. they will— we can't have children in class. they will have to be sent home if there _ they will have to be sent home if there is— they will have to be sent home if there is nobody there to teach them. that is— there is nobody there to teach them. that is really damaging for their learning — that is really damaging for their learning and for their social well—being. it is widely called for the government to use the half—time window— the government to use the half—time window to— the government to use the half—time window to vaccinate school staff. it is a pity— window to vaccinate school staff. it is a pity in— window to vaccinate school staff. it is a pity in my view that was missed _ is a pity in my view that was missed i_ is a pity in my view that was missed. i do think now we are seeing .ood missed. i do think now we are seeing good progress with the vaccination roll-out _ good progress with the vaccination roll—out and the high risk groups have _ roll—out and the high risk groups have really— roll—out and the high risk groups have really been taking up the vaccine — have really been taking up the vaccine and we are now down to people — vaccine and we are now down to people in— vaccine and we are now down to people in their mid 50s and above being _ people in their mid 50s and above being called for the vaccination, there _ being called for the vaccination, there is— being called for the vaccination, there is much less risk as you go down _ there is much less risk as you go down the — there is much less risk as you go down the age groups of serious illness— down the age groups of serious illness or— down the age groups of serious illness or sadly, death. it would be good _ illness or sadly, death. it would be good to— illness or sadly, death. it would be good to bring forward occupations like school staff who, for one reason — like school staff who, for one reason or— like school staff who, for one reason or another, it's really important _ reason or another, it's really important that we have them working and reduce _ important that we have them working and reduce the risk of their becoming sick in the classroom. you mentioned the _ becoming sick in the classroom. gm, mentioned the well—being of students. yet a lot of the message today, speaking from my own children going back today as well, is about the sort of desperate need to catch up. you are talking about a breakfast catch—up plan. the education secretary was talking about longer school days and shorter holidays. is this something children will have to get their heads around? i think it is really important to concentrate on settling children back in. — concentrate on settling children back in, theirwell—being, back in, their well—being, re—socialising back in, theirwell—being, re—socialising with their friends and their— re—socialising with their friends and their teachers, and that is alongside _ and their teachers, and that is alongside obviously needing to catch up alongside obviously needing to catch up on _ alongside obviously needing to catch up on last— alongside obviously needing to catch up on last learning. children have lost about— up on last learning. children have lost about 105 days of school time in the _ lost about 105 days of school time in the past — lost about 105 days of school time in the past year. that is a lot in the life — in the past year. that is a lot in the life of— in the past year. that is a lot in the life of a _ in the past year. that is a lot in the life of a child. it is important we get _ the life of a child. it is important we get a — the life of a child. it is important we get a balance of attending to the social— we get a balance of attending to the social and _ we get a balance of attending to the social and emotional needs. our breakfast — social and emotional needs. our breakfast club suggestion would enable — breakfast club suggestion would enable children to have that time at the start— enable children to have that time at the start of— enable children to have that time at the start of the day with their friends, — the start of the day with their friends, with school staff, and settle — friends, with school staff, and settle down before learning starts. and we _ settle down before learning starts. and we do — settle down before learning starts. and we do know that actually that time at _ and we do know that actually that time at the beginning of the school day does _ time at the beginning of the school day does also help their educational attainment. it is also very good, of course, _ attainment. it is also very good, of course, for— attainment. it is also very good, of course, for working parents who have .ot course, for working parents who have got an— course, for working parents who have got an early— course, for working parents who have got an early shift if they know their— got an early shift if they know their children will be in school and getting _ their children will be in school and getting a — their children will be in school and getting a good breakfast. i think it is a balance. the social side and emotional— is a balance. the social side and emotional site is reallyjust as important as making up for lost learning~ — important as making up for lost learning. we need the time and support— learning. we need the time and support to — learning. we need the time and support to do both.— learning. we need the time and support to do both. appreciate your time. support to do both. appreciate your time- thank — support to do both. appreciate your time. thank you. _ support to do both. appreciate your time. thank you. you _ support to do both. appreciate your time. thank you. you are _ support to do both. appreciate your time. thank you. you are watching | time. thank you. you are watching bbc breakfast. _ time. thank you. you are watching ssc breakfast. it _ time. thank you. you are watching ssc breakfast. it is _ time. thank you. you are watching bbc breakfast. it is coming - time. thank you. you are watching bbc breakfast. it is coming up - time. thank you. you are watching bbc breakfast. it is coming up to l bbc breakfast. it is coming up to 8:50am. sally, you are talking about celebrations, aren't you? i am. it has been one of those days. at least we know what day it is. good morning. steven gerrard says there's more to come after rangers won their first scottish league title since 2011. celtic�*s failure to beat dundee united meant they could no longer catch their rivals. these are rangers players celebrating. it's the culmination of an incredible ten years that saw the club liquidated, reformed and work their way back from the bottom of the league system. it's so big that some big stars have been sending their congratulations. from the world of wrestling, triple h joined in with fellow wwe fighter drew mcintryre in celebrating the victory. rivals still managed a bit of a dig, former celtic striker chris sutton pointing out it is just one title in contrast to the nine in a row celtic had won. the current english champions liverpooljoined in the praise for their the club and theirformer player. liverpool won't be champions for much longer though. they extended their worst ever home run to six consecutive defeats, beaten 1—0 by fulham. mario lemina scored the goal. his side are still in the relegation zone, but only on goal difference. the liverpool manager admits it's of one the lowest points of his managerial spell. despite losing to neighbours united, manchester city are still eleven points clear at the top. a bruno fernandes penalty and a rare luke shaw goal ended city's 21 game winning run. that is just about all your support. you seem to have something rather beautiful on your desk, sally. we are all very excited about it. we are all very excited about it. we are all very excited about it. we are all very _ are all very excited about it. we are all very excited about it. we are all very excited about it. we are all very excited about this. this is our royal television society award presented last week for a scoop of the year for our work on the free school meals story over the past year. our work with marcus rashford. one of the biggest stories in the past year. that is the worth of bbc breakfast won.— of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you _ of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you did _ of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you did a _ of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you did a lot _ of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you did a lot of - of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's be clear. you did a lot of the - of bbc breakfast won. sally, let's. be clear. you did a lot of the work. with my producer claire. it was a team effort. look at that. it even sparkles. i team effort. look at that. it even sarkles. , , �* sparkles. i probably can't lift it u . sparkles. i probably can't lift it u- in sparkles. i probably can't lift it up in these — sparkles. i probably can't lift it up in these times. _ sparkles. i probably can't lift it up in these times. i _ sparkles. i probably can't lift it up in these times. i will - sparkles. i probably can't lift it up in these times. i will wipe l sparkles. i probably can't lift it| up in these times. i will wipe it down and _ up in these times. i will wipe it down and then _ up in these times. i will wipe it down and then you _ up in these times. i will wipe it down and then you can - up in these times. i will wipe it down and then you can lift - up in these times. i will wipe it down and then you can lift it. l up in these times. i will wipe it l down and then you can lift it. we are delighted with that. thank you everybody. it's great for the programme. congratulations everybody. you look after that. talking awards, ijust want to check in with carol. how many weather presenter of the year awards... didn't you win it so many times they stopped giving it out? i don't know if that was the case. i was lucky enough to win it a few times. moving on, it is a lovely start to the day across some parts of the country. as you can see in northamptonshire. not everywhere. there is some rain any forecast today. there will tomorrow for some. in the middle part of the week we have got rain and gales. overnight winds into thursday. the strongest winds into thursday. the strongest winds are likely to be on thursday. severe gales and parts of the south. today, northern ireland, part of scotland, northern ireland, north wales and the midlands, we have some rain. that will sink further south through the day. after a cold start in southern england, we will see some sunshine as we will in the south—west and wales. brightening up in north—west scotland. temperatures ranging from eight to 10 degrees. through this evening and overnight you can see how this hope of cloud and rain sinks south, getting into east anglia and the south east before clearing. behind it, new weather front comes into the west. where we remain with the clear skies across parts of southern england and the midlands, is where, especially in rural areas, we will see some frost. it is also where we will see some sunshine tomorrow. meanwhile, our weak weatherfront in some sunshine tomorrow. meanwhile, our weak weather front in the west continues to push with this cloud and the odd spot of rain towards the east and the south east. then, another one comes in from the west, producing some rain in western scotland and west wales, before another one comes in. the third one is more potent. they say is it here. it will introduce some persistent rain and some strong winds. at the end of the day 55 marlborough ghosts in the outer hebrides. temperatures in the outer hebrides. temperatures in the outer hebrides. temperatures in the sunshine, 12 degrees. but it is after tuesday, wednesday night and thursday, when the winds really mmp and thursday, when the winds really ramp up. somethin- and thursday, when the winds really ramp up. somethin- to and thursday, when the winds really ramp up. somethin- to watch and thursday, when the winds really ramp up. somethin- to watch out and thursday, when the winds really ramp up. somethin- to watch out for. thank you. so it looks like a dry day for most of england, which is good news because — from today — we can meet one person from outside our household for a chat, a drink, or even a picnic. it sounds revolutionary. it does have to be _ it sounds revolutionary. it does have to be outdoors _ it sounds revolutionary. it does have to be outdoors and - it sounds revolutionary. it does have to be outdoors and in - it sounds revolutionary. it does have to be outdoors and in a i it sounds revolutionary. it does i have to be outdoors and in a public place like a part. so, a lot of reunions on the cards. and two people who have jumped at the chance are avita rai and her 88—year—old grandmother, nanny bimla. we can speak to them now, in leamington spa. lovely to speak to you. lovely to see you. nanny, first of all, you are there today. tell me why this is so special for you?— so special for you? well, it is secial so special for you? well, it is special for — so special for you? well, it is special for me _ so special for you? well, it is specialfor me because, i so special for you? well, it is specialfor me because, after so special for you? well, it is i special for me because, after ages, i special for me because, after ages, l have _ special for me because, after ages, l have been— special for me because, after ages, i have been to the park, especially with my— i have been to the park, especially with my grand daughter avita. i'm very grateful. i'm excited. a very special _ very grateful. i'm excited. a very special day — very grateful. i'm excited. a very special day for me.— special day for me. avita it has been a long — special day for me. avita it has been a long time _ special day for me. avita it has been a long time in _ special day for me. avita it has been a long time in coming. i special day for me. avita it has been a long time in coming. a| special day for me. avita it has i been a long time in coming. a year ago, if we had seen you setting this for a part in a bench in a park we would have thought, why aren't you together? we understand what it has been like. explain in your words how hard the last 12 months have been? absolutely. it's been absolutely difficult — absolutely. it's been absolutely difficult it— absolutely. it's been absolutely difficult. it has— absolutely. it's been absolutely difficult. it has been— absolutely. it's been absolutely difficult. it has been actually. difficult. it has been actually really — difficult. it has been actually really frustrating _ difficult. it has been actually really frustrating that - difficult. it has been actually really frustrating that i've i difficult. it has been actuallyl really frustrating that i've not been — really frustrating that i've not been able _ really frustrating that i've not been able to _ really frustrating that i've not been able to see _ really frustrating that i've not been able to see gran - really frustrating that i've not been able to see gran in i really frustrating that i've not been able to see gran in all. really frustrating that i've not i been able to see gran in all this time _ been able to see gran in all this time the — been able to see gran in all this time. the last _ been able to see gran in all this time. the last time _ been able to see gran in all this time. the last time i— been able to see gran in all this time. the last time i saw- been able to see gran in all this time. the last time i saw her. been able to see gran in all this. time. the last time i saw her was last summer— time. the last time i saw her was last summerwhen_ time. the last time i saw her was last summer when lockdown i time. the last time i saw her was i last summer when lockdown started to ease _ last summer when lockdown started to ease i_ last summer when lockdown started to ease i am _ last summer when lockdown started to ease. i am absolutely _ last summer when lockdown started to ease. i am absolutely excited - last summer when lockdown started to ease. i am absolutely excited today. ease. i am absolutely excited today to be _ ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able _ ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to — ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to sit _ ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to sit on _ ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to sit on a _ ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to sit on a bench - ease. i am absolutely excited today to be able to sit on a bench with i to be able to sit on a bench with grant _ to be able to sit on a bench with grant really— to be able to sit on a bench with grant. really happy _ to be able to sit on a bench with grant. really happy day - to be able to sit on a bench with grant. really happy day today. i to be able to sit on a bench with i grant. really happy day today. it’s grant. really happy day today. it's so sweet grant. really happy day today. so sweet seeing you there. grant really happy day today~- so sweet seeing you there. nanny, what do you think... apart from talking to us, what are you going to be talking about today? we talking to us, what are you going to be talking about today?— be talking about today? we are talkin: be talking about today? we are talking about _ be talking about today? we are talking about today _ be talking about today? we are talking about today about i be talking about today? we are i talking about today about holiday, about _ talking about today about holiday, about the — talking about today about holiday, about the exercise, and where we are going _ about the exercise, and where we are going this _ about the exercise, and where we are going this year. and... we are going to have _ going this year. and... we are going to have a _ going this year. and... we are going to have a long chat today. going this year. and. .. we are going to have a long chat today.— to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely- _ to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely- a — to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely. a lot _ to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely. a lot to _ to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely. a lot to say - to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely. a lot to say to i to have a long chat today. yeah, absolutely. a lot to say to each i absolutely. a lot to say to each other. avita, _ absolutely. a lot to say to each other. avita, does _ absolutely. a lot to say to each other. avita, does it _ absolutely. a lot to say to each other. avita, does it feel- absolutely. a lot to say to each | other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big _ other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big day — other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big day today _ other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big day today for - other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big day today for lots i other. avita, does it feel like... it is a big day today for lots of l it is a big day today for lots of people, children going back to school, able to do things like you are able to do, does it feel like a big step forward? filth. are able to do, does it feel like a big step forward? 0h, absolutely. i 'ust feel big step forward? 0h, absolutely. i just feel that _ big step forward? 0h, absolutely. i just feel that there _ big 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different. it feels _ schools going back and, you know, it just feels different. it feels like - just feels different. it feels like there's— just feels different. it feels like there's a — just feels different. it feels like there's a lot _ just feels different. it feels like there's a lot of _ just feels different. it feels like there's a lot of confidence i just feels different. it feels like there's a lot of confidence and i just feels different. it feels like i there's a lot of confidence and hope in the _ there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air~ _ there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air~ and— there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air. and i— there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air. and i feel— there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air. and i feel this— there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air. and i feel this is- there's a lot of confidence and hope in the air. and i feel this is the i in the air. and i feel this is the first— in the air. and i feel this is the first step — in the air. and i feel this is the first step to _ in the air. and i feel this is the first step to moving _ in the air. and i feel this is the first step to moving forward i in the air. and i feel this is the l first step to moving forward with the whole — first step to moving forward with the whole pandemic. _ first step to moving forward with the whole pandemic. so - first step to moving forward with the whole pandemic. so it's- first step to moving forward with the whole pandemic. so it's the| the whole pandemic. so it's the first step — the whole pandemic. so it's the first step forward, _ the whole pandemic. so it's the first step forward, moving i the whole pandemic. so it's the i first step forward, moving forward for everybodt _ first step forward, moving forward for everybody. so _ first step forward, moving forward for everybody. so today _ first step forward, moving forward for everybody. so today is - first step forward, moving forward for everybody. so today is an i for everybody. so today is an absolutely _ for everybody. so today is an absolutely great _ for everybody. so today is an absolutely great day. - for everybody. so today is an absolutely great day. find . for everybody. so today is an absolutely great day. and it's lovel , absolutely great day. and it's lovely, genuinely, _ absolutely great day. and it's lovely, genuinely, we - absolutely great day. and it's lovely, genuinely, we can - absolutely great day. and it's| lovely, genuinely, we can feel absolutely great day. and it's - lovely, genuinely, we can feelyour lovely, genuinely, we can feel your enthusiasm there, nanny. you have been amazing. you have become an internet sensation with your exercise videos. tell us about them? exercise video? my granddaughter put my exercise video on the internet to seem _ my exercise video on the internet to seem i_ my exercise video on the internet to seem iwant— my exercise video on the internet to see... i want to see other people, what _ see... i want to see other people, what i'm _ see... i want to see other people, what i'm doing. then they might start_ what i'm doing. then they might start exercising. the way i do. don't — start exercising. the way i do. don't think_ start exercising. the way i do. don't think the age, just get up, do some _ don't think the age, just get up, do some exercise and keep fit, keep happy _ some exercise and keep fit, keep happy. keep your brain going. that is what _ happy. keep your brain going. that is what i _ happy. keep your brain going. that is what i want to do other people! you are _ is what i want to do other people! you are a — is what i want to do other people! you are a wonderful lady to watch. absolutely brilliant. i am inspired by both of you. nanny bimla and avita, thank you. ifeel you by both of you. nanny bimla and avita, thank you. i feel you will be on the bench for a long time. thank you. on the bench for a long time. thank ou. . on the bench for a long time. thank ou, ., ., ., ., on the bench for a long time. thank ou. . . . . you're watching bbc breakfast. it's 8.59. good morning, this is bbc news, i'm victoria derbyshire, here are the headlines this monday morning... harry and meghan's explosive interview with oprah — meghan says she found life so difficult at times she felt suicidal and harry was asked by one member of the palace how dark their son's skin might be. so we have in tandem the conversation of, "he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title." and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. prince harry also spoke about a troubled relationship with his father, revealing prince charles stopped taking his calls when he wanted to step back from royal life. what do you think about the claims the couple have made in their interview with oprah? how do you react to what they have said?