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took a donation of a millon pounds from the bin laden family of saudi arabia two years after osama bin laden was killed. the family disowned him in 1994. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. south africa is in a long term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa s richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well or the country is in ....
my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa s richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do much better work, because i don t think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he s going to save south africa. but that s not the way democracy works, mr malema. mr ramaphosa has a mandate given to him by the south african people and, indeed, if you look at the business community, if we re talking about ....
segment. i m going to tell you what else we have coming because we are tracking a separate a new criminal subpoena for trial lawyer rudy giuliani. there s also some signs of the january 6th probe is breaking through with independence and the younger tiktok crowd. michael steele will be here for a segment that we hope will be as sharp as it is viral. perhaps. tiktok reference. by the end of the hour, we will be talking bob dylan, barack obama and kurt cobain with the right icon you see. the one and only dave grown on the beat tonight for our special mavericks interview. you might say the energy is contagious. here we are now. entertain us. but it s too early in the broadcast for lyrics. even for the beat. so let s just get to this top story. judgment day for steve bannon. the prosecution resting after calling the witnesses that they say will prove this and send him to prison. we will get into this with mr. gerstein as i mentioned but there is a method to the speed of ....
of birmingham. this is bbc news. now, it s time for hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. south africa is in a long term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts, and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa s richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do much better work. because i do ....
julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don t think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he ll save south africa. but that s not the way democracy works, mr malema. mr ramaphosa has a mandate given to him by the south african people. and, indeed, if you look at the business community, if we re talking about the economy, it seems business leaders think that removing ramaphosa would actually make south africa s situation worse. no, democracy works like that. that s why our constituti ....