down and have exactly what president trump said. how are they conflicting. pete: this is why whether it s the outside counsel or special counsel you feel like you need somebody from the outside. maybe the inspector general can do it but feels like something more is needed. abby: when he was in the office he didn t write anything down. if it did happen it took place after the meetings took place. who knows what was said in that office if you weren t writing it at the time. still a lot of the questions remain we don t have the answers to. there is a lot of question and miscommunication it sounds like from one of the highest dentals in our government that should never be the case. ed: big questions overnight in california where the governor jerry brown has issued preeaster pardons for wait for it five illegal immigrants who are felons facing deportation. i remember him doing something similar around christmas as well. jerry brown. a very liberal governor out there. abby: something about t