of the classified nature of other things that may have been going on. we have to caution ourselves. we ve seen the petulance and the sky is falling and the breathlessness from adam schiff as it related to russiagate. we saw what game of that. a lot of breathlessness and no substance nobody s been more breathless than rudy was last night. it s not about insulting is one guy louder than the other is not a good way to make an argument. that s a good point, chris. but in this instance, i think we have a lot of thunder he but not a lot of substantial what would be abuse of power? excuse me? what would be abuse of power? well, like i said, we don t know all the facts. what would be abuse of power? you re speculating as to what could have been abuse of power. the president of the united states is engaging in diplomatic discussions with the ukraine and corruption comes up and perhaps the corruption of the former vice president and his son come
corruption? and once again, proof of the contrivance is in the copying. just 13 hours after giuliani was on this show saying all that about biden, the president himself said this. it doesn t matter what i discussed, but i will say this. somebody ought to look into joe biden s statement because it was disgraceful. the statement being that biden said he held back money from ukraine to get rid of a prosecutor, which this president and his trusty counsel want you to think was personally motivated. now here are the ironies. first of all, the idea that this president now cares about corruption, have you ever heard talk about corruption in any other place or in his own government? more so, they re upset at biden for doing exactly what this president is accused of, and they reject biden s defense, which is that he was acting in the national interest and rooting out corruption, even though it s the same defense giuliani laid out for the president right here last night
on september 1st, the v.p. met with the ukrainian leader. eight days later house committees started investigating. and by september 12th, right after adam schiff started to ask questions about the complainant, the aid was lifted. that s where we are now. we re back with preet bharara and andrew mccabe. my suggestion is if the president believes that there is real corruption, he is clear to ask the ukrainian president about it and arguably clear to say i m not giving you money if you re corrupt. you have to look at all the circumstances. we live in an actual world where people apply common sense and there are consequences to what you do and there are motivations, strategic and otherwise, for taking certain actions. there are a lot of countries that have a lot of corruption, and i i don t want to know what donald trump is saying to those leaders of those countries. what s unique about ukraine is there was a unique benefit to
back money to get rid of a prosecutor. now here are the ironies. first of all, the idea that this president now cares about corruption. have you ever heard about corruption in his own government and he s only defended people accused of corruption. more so, they re upset at biden for doing exactly what this president is it accused of and they reject biden s defense which is that he was acting in national security even though it s the same defense giuliani laid out. george orwell could not have created this based often what works for the person saying it. now while i argue that giuliani s play is obvious, that does not make it ineffective. he got a ton of attention with his outbursts but his biden bombs went out, too. while he was tested here and was
is one guy louder than the other is not a good way to make an argument. that s a good point, chris. but in this instance, i think we have a lot of thunder here but not a lot of substance. what would be abuse of power? excuse me? what would be abuse of power? well, like i said, we don t know all the facts. what would be abuse of power? you re speculating as to what could have been abuse of power. i mean the fact the president of the united states is engaging in diplomatic discussions with ukraine and corruption comes up and perhaps the corruption of a former vice president and his son come up, you know, doesn t necessarily point that there s anything necessarily wrong with that or that it s connected to the campaign. preet acknowledged that himself earlier tonight. i m all for that. i hope they release the complaint because as a point of transparency the president says there s nothing to see here, don t worry about it, but he won t show us proof of the same whether it s