sort of cooperate with president trump, both politically and on the question of international security. so it s going to get very complex, and it could get uglier before it becomes clearer. paul: i have to say, bill, rudy giuliani going out and running sort of a shadow foreign policy with ukraine and when he could just go through the state department just doesn t look good. particularly given the fact that rudy giuliani at any given moment just makes a bad presentation of the facts. you never know what s really true yeah, look, presidents choose emissaries all the time outside of government paul: sure. rudy is a pretty volatile emissary. it does complicate things because the democrats are trying to secretary pompeo and attorney general barr, and i think it would have been easier for the president without rudy being in the middle of that mix, because i think what they are doing is perfectly appropriate. look, we know that you don t have to commit a criminal act for it to be impeac
emissary. it does complicate things because the democrats are trying to secretary pompeo and attorney general barr, and i think it would have been easier for the president without rudy being in the middle of that mix, because i think what they are doing is perfectly appropriate. look, we know that you don t have to commit a criminal act for it to be impeachable. the house can determine paul: right. still i think a lot of this is untorrid. i think asking governments to investigate someone through rudy is not a good idea. but i m not sure it is impeachable. quickly, bill, rudy s brief an assignment from the president was to find out ukraine s involvement with paul manafort and then secondly joe biden and hunter biden and the ukrainian gas company. typically that would not be a job taken up by state department officials or the secretary of state. that is a political question. could be a legitimate political question. but normally you would not ask diplomats to be pursuing that