and he s got no history of working with explosives? that s correct. reporter: still, detective james gamber desperately wanted to talk with ron young. well it was an active fugitive case going on, because they had a fraud warrant. but he basically just fell off the face of the earth. reporter: who was ron young? and what was his relationship with pam phillips? nine days after the murder of her ex funds beyond, pam phillips agreed to come down to the sheriff s department for an interview. that conversation was recorded. i want to ask you about your relationship with ron young. yeah. reporter: coming up the word that i was getting was that it was his former wife. and that this was his insurance policy. reporter: pam phillips day with detectives. she knew he was going to be reporter: too many reasons to be suspicious?
but the civil suit changed things. prosecutors decided it was time to move. you think that wrongful death suits are what guilted prosecutors into going forward? or it showed them how valid the case was. nearly a year after the civil suit was filed, in october 2008, ron young was out of prison after serving ten months on the gun possession charges, was re-arrested in california. this time, for the murder of gary triano. young was flown back to tucson. lupita maria is one of those people who like to greet visitors at the airport. how does it feel to be back, sir? well, not so good. did you kill gary triano, sir? did you place that bomb? no, of course not. where was pam phillips?
a year-round playground for the rich and famous. sometimes for the people who pray on them. that s the kind of case that then as been police detective jim crowley called back in 1996. to local businesses said they had been defrauded by a man named ron young. but the scam was is that he would become a business manager, help you grow the company, and he did that part of it. but at some point he would have all your credit information so we would apply for credit cards and your name. at himself as a sign or. uses credit cards to pay bills. as far as you can tell, he stole how much money? probably between 80 and $120,000. but before crowley could get an arrest warrant, ron young
disappeared. he skipped town? yes. young fled in a rented mini van that later turned up in southern california. young himself was nowhere to be found. but what was found in the mini van was very curious. i note in the car that was kind of like a laundry list. buy toothpaste, down the list further was sawed off shotgun. reporter: ron young was not known as a violent criminal. but when police found a shotgun and a taser in the van, it may detective crowley that a man wanted for white collar crimes may possibly more be more dangerous than he thought. in ron young s mini van, investigators found something else peculiar. paperwork related to the divorce of pamela phillips and gary triano at the time the name gary triano meant what do you? nothing. but pam phillips, that was a
reporter lupita murillo, an awful lot of fingers were pointing in the same direction. within 24 hours after the dust settled, the word that i was getting was that it was his former wife. and it was because of this insurance policy. reporter: pam phillips, gary s ex was someone that investigators wanted to talk with, especially afterward came from aspen that pam had been connected in some way to a fugitive on the run from fraud charges named ron young. nine days after the murder, investigators got their chance. pam phillips voluntarily came in for questioning. i didn t give pamela out of what i knew. i let her talk and let her give me what she wanted to give me. reporter: detective keith st. john spoke with him three times, twice in person. for the record, tell me your