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well, yasmin. cal, let s pivot here and talk about a little bit of odesa, the east as well, as fighting is continuing there, trying to develop a humanitarian corridor to get the elderly and the sick out. the discovery of these mass graves by the maxar images that we can now see. take us through what we are learning about in the eastern part of ukraine. reporter: and this is what the russians have said is going to be their next goal, what they call, quote, phase two. and i think we have a map we can throw up. and if you look at what s happening, it is that southern part of the country that is now facing sort of the worst bombardment and of course those territories in the east and the donetsk region, we heard today that the shelling was almost nonstop throughout the day. the city of odesa coming under assault for the first time in three weeks and even west of that, the city of kherson, which was the first city to fall to the russians which then couldn t be occupied because we saw tho
in this war. ukraine was incredibly successful, to some extent because of having a mastery of the urban warfare, of city systems, of being able to hold off the russians in places that they could. how is this fight going to be different in the eastern and southern parts of your country? the difference of this fight is going to be dominated by the sorry, the difference is explained because of the domination of the artillery systems in the war. but i have to say that ukraine was very successful with using artillery systems for, like, eight years and including in the first phase of the war so it s not like it s not like things will be completely different. we did use lots of individual equipment like javelins and stingers in the first phase. this one will be more like long range but at the same time, ukraine did use a lot of long-range in the first phase as well. so, we know exactly what needs to be done. let me first ask you, do you
we had the images of that happening here on this show. and urging the president to visit as well. nbc s cal perry standing by in the ukrainian capital of kyiv to talk more about this. cal, as i mentioned, good to see you, by the way, my friend. as i mentioned, i know nbc is currently working to confirm the details if this visit is actually happening tomorrow, announced by zelenskyy. of course obviously, a very sensitive time there when it comes to security, of course, the secretary of state visiting a war-torn country. that said, what are we learning about the possibility of this happening? reporter: well, listen, this was an extraordinary press conference, very well produced by the ukrainian government, not surprising. we ve seen this president in a leadership role now for 60 days doing things like this. it s likely we are not going to be able to confirm that the u.s. secretary of state and the defense secretary are traveling here until they arrive here because the secretary of stat
victory. but a russian defeat would come much faster if western allies stepped up their weapon delivery. here s some of sky news s debra hanes s conversation with alexi danalov. reporter: this is one of the officials at the heart of ukraine s war effort. and he s confident of victory. but he said the speed of russia s defeat depend on how fast the west delivers weapons. reporter: without western military support, would ukraine have been able to successfully defend kyiv in the way that you did? reporter: he showed me photographs of what he said were syrians killed fighting for russia. sky news couldn t independently verify the claim but moscow has