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Public a strong voice in the nhs. His former Health Secretary said he would have since of the nhs. Why then [inaudible] rejected by the government last night . We do want to see patients have a stronger voice in the nhs and we are about to debate i think at some length some terms of the staff how that is done. I think one of the most important ways is going to be making sure that the mandates of the nhs Commission Board has at its heart quality nursing, or day care, and the voice of patients. We also need to look at how health watch is going to work to make sure it is truly independent and we have to understand that some of the ways we have tried to empower patients in the past and the report were about to discuss goes into this in some detail, some of the ways always with good intentions from governments on both sides of the house to give patients a better voice, we have ....