between trump and fox news? today it is. tomorrow, i don t think it ll lassiter elon. i ve interviewed folks i for the upcoming book. we know that trump falls away and he fights with us and he gets into arguments and he likes to back and forth. when it s beneficial for him, he will come right back home. the same is true for the murdaugh family. they have seen trump treated very seriously and downplayed his legal jeopardy all across the airwaves. there is some tension right now. it almost always comes back together. talking about coming back home, why go back to twitter? truth social is such a glorious paradise, than oasis for donald trump. why go back to twitter and why now? x, i m sorry, x. it does reveal a vulnerability for the former president. he does not have the media megaphones that he had in 2016 or frankly even in 2020. he doesn t have that same ability to rally mass media attention. the only time that he is really getting on television now is when he is arrested. i unde
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measuring contest? why is it always about that for the former president? this is very much an example of his gross exaggerations which ultimately harm his movement. we ve heard of the analogy of apples versus oranges. about 13 million viewers watched for the entirety of the two hours. trump s little twitter video, anybody who scrolls passed it in the social media feed, that counts as a view. there is no way to compare that kind of random interaction with actually watching the debate. he s out there claiming his interview was bigger than oprah which is an insult to oprah. there was this attempt to claim that he is so big and powerful. i think it undermines his leadership. it shows disrespect. it treats his audience like fools by claiming they are more popular than they actually are. what does it say that donald trump did not do the news debate and then went with ex fox news host tucker carlson who is now persona non grata? is that a clear break up
mcguffey full. he skipped out on the first rollicking debate on fox on wednesday for a counter programming interview with ex fox news host tucker carlson. of course, trump s campaign boasted inflated views after that interview aired on x, formerly known as twitter. his team says he won the debate in dominating fashion with more views than the rnc debate. trump claimed a total of more than 100 million views. that number does not necessarily reflect the number of people who actually watched the interview. it simply refers to the number of users who saw the post. here with me on set to make it all makes sense is brian stelter, journalist and author of hoax. he also, here you go, has a new book coming out about fox news called network of lies. it s coming out this november and everyone s going to get a copy of it. brian, let s start with it. i want to understand. this he saying more than 100 billion views but that s not legit. make it make sense. why is this always about a
the court houses are the new rallies. he s going to lean into that for the months to come. other than those moments, he s getting very little real news media attention. i suspect the reengagement with ex, it s a way to start to crawl back to where he knows he has some audience. we talked about your book. i m very excited to read it. i also helped cover the dominion voting system. i was watching in wilmington. exactly. do you think that is actually chastened fox in a way that it is feeling dealing with donald trump in terms of this upcoming election? the big lie keeps on getting touted over and over again by trump. there are a couple of ways that fox has been chastened. one is a big way. there are a few other settlements also. this is one change that has happened. they don t broadcast trump live the way they used to. when they are pre-taped, they won t let him call him by phone anymore either. it s jammed. my reporting indicates that was a serious decision, a choice made by
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