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of the invasion. ukrainian forces have launched a long awaited counter offensive in the south of the country. a very good early morning to you. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. not only has ukraine been irrevocably changed by vladimir putin s military aggression, so has russia. putin has used the conflict to crack down harder on dissent and instil an ever more strident brand of nationalism that made life in moscow unbearable for my guest today. pinchas goldschmidt was chief rabbi of moscow till he fled from russia and left his post. his fate has exposed the scale of widerjewish flight from russia and divisions within thejewish community. why is this war deepening jewish anxiety? rabbi pinchas goldschmidt in jerusalem, welcome to hardtalk. hi, stephen. thank you for inviting me to hardtalk. it s the second time with you. it s the second time and it s a pleasure to have you back on the show. things have changed since you were last t ....
within thejewish community. why is this war deepening jewish anxiety? rabbi pinchas goldschmidt in jerusalem, welcome to hardtalk. hi, stephen. thank you for inviting me to hardtalk. it s the second time with you. it s the second time and it s a pleasure to have you back on the show. things have changed since you were last talking to me there. you sit in jerusalem. you served as chief rabbi of moscow for, what, pretty much three decades. you made your life in russia and just a couple of months ago, you chose to leave. why? i went to sleep the 23rd of february in the evening in moscow, and i woke up in the morning in a different country. it was still moscow, but with different rules, with different laws. and ifelt. ..that the world is changing and. ..isaw. ..the bombs, bombing of kyiv. the new laws in russia cracking down on dissent. we saw that the remnant of any free media was closed down. ekho moskvy, the novaya gazeta and others. and. but this is only the beginning. ....
before he was hired by first lady, rosalynn carter, in 1979. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk, i m stephen sackur. not only has ukraine been irrevocably changed by vladimir putin s military aggression, so has russia. putin has used the conflict to crack down harder on dissent and instil an ever more strident brand of nationalism that made life in moscow unbearable for my guest today. pinchas goldschmidt was chief rabbi of moscow till he fled from russia and left his post. his fate has exposed the scale of widerjewish flight from russia and divisions within thejewish community. why is this war deepening jewish anxiety? rabbi pinchas goldschmidt in jerusalem, welcome to hardtalk. hi, stephen. thank you for inviting me to hardtalk. it s the second time with you. it s the second time and it s a pleasure to have you back on the show. things have changed since you were last talking to me there. you sit in jerusalem. you served as chief r ....
of widerjewish flight from russia and divisions within thejewish community. why is this war deepening jewish anxiety? rabbi pinchas goldschmidt in jerusalem, welcome to hardtalk. hi, stephen. thank you for inviting me to hardtalk. it s the second time with you. it s the second time and it s a pleasure to have you back on the show. things have changed since you were last talking to me there. you sit in jerusalem. you served as chief rabbi of moscow for, what, pretty much three decades. you made your life in russia and just a couple of months ago, you chose to leave. why? i went to sleep the 23rd of february in the evening in moscow. and i woke up in the morning in a different country. it was still moscow, but with different rules, with different laws. and ifelt. ..that the world is changing and. ..isaw. ..the bombs, bombing of kyiv. the new laws in russia cracking down on dissent. we saw that the remnant of any free media was closed down. ekho moskvy, the novaya gazeta a ....
And not against it. of course, that is support because you cannot support this war and not against it, because then we would, to some extent, endanger the community. but as time passed and i saw the thousands, maybe the hundreds of thousands of refugees leaving ukraine, among them thousands ofjews, rabbis who organised the buses to get the community out of bombardments. communities which were. ..which were built during the last 30 years, as i arrived in moscow, my colleagues arrived in kyiv in droves, in kharkiv and other cities, and odesa. i saw that those communities are being destroyed. i felt that i had to do something. i couldn t keep quiet. keeping quiet was not good enough. and my wife and i, ....