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at least six mountaineers were killed and eight others injured when parts of a glacier collapsed, sending snow, ice and rock cascading down the slopes of marmolada. now on bbc news, political thinking with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking. how do we live with a resurgent russia? do we need to confront or cooperate with china? can the uk repair its relations with the eu post brexit? foreign policy matters again. my guest on political thinking this week hopes to be our next foreign secretary, the first labour foreign secretary for many, many years. it s a dramatic change for david lammy, who for years used his powerful voice in the back benches to argue for justice for the people in his constituency in his home of tottenham in north london. david lammy, welcome to political thinking. thank you, nice to be back. when you were last on this programme, you talked to me about how pleased you were to be on the backbenches. i m very satisfied, you said. ....
when you were last on this programme, you talked to me about how pleased you were to be on the backbenches. i m very satisfied, you said. i feel free, i feel liberated. i mean, at the time, you were making those passionate speeches that you did on grenfell, on windrush and all the rest of it, does that now mean you feel sort of caged? not quite. i loved being on the backbenches, you know, i really did. i loved being in government, to the extent that you actually did something. i suppose i am now in the third act. i don t know how many acts there are going to be. but what would i say this time? i have been in parliament 22 years, i m 50 in a couple of weeks time. so i suppose i ve got to come to terms with the sort of seniority in parliament, and, you know, parliament is generous if you have been there a long time, this is notjust your own party, it is the opposition as well. parliament quite likes specialisms and i ve, you know, there are some issues that i feel i have ....
you turn if you want to, the lady s not for turning . this week, the woman who would be her successor u turned. america s third lady, nancy pelosi, did not, going ahead with a visit to taiwan, despite chinese warnings beforehand and missiles after. nor did the bank of england u turn, going ahead with the half point rise in interest rates. the governor had said the bank was minded to impose the largest single hike in a quarter of a century. here to discuss all that are marc roche, an economist and journalist who was born in belgium, and writes from here for the french news magazine, le point. isabel hilton, who s been a foreign correspondent and broadcaster she founded china dialogue, an independent organisation concerned with the environmental challenges facing that country. and with us in spirit, if not in person because a family member has covid yasmin alibhai brown. she was forced to flee her native uganda by idi amin the 50th amnniversary of the expulsion ....
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Into the heat of the political season, which begins shortly about 18 months out with the general election? absolutely. all of those things are in place. it is now important, by the way, that labour don t blow it. are you too scared, all of you, to take positions? let s take brexit, for example. i m not scared! no one thinks that i am scared, nick! no one was scared on the backbenches, but i wonder now. no! with brexit, there are a lot of your supporters who want you to stand up and say, you lied to us, the electorate. the whole project has failed. look what s happened. and, instead, the labour party position is, well, we must get brexit to work . now, hang on a minute, look. i was on one side of that debate, very passionately the remain side. i was one of the leaders of the second referendum campaign. we fought that battle for many years and we lost. the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and not learning from the mistakes. i ve said that i thin ....