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Prove. nobody has really said oh, no, he didn t do it. we know he did it, according to michael cohen, so the question is whether or not donald trump will be found culpable under this new york statute. laura: okay. when they start doing the letter of the law, or the spirit of the law, sol, where does that usually end up? that s that special statute, you shall not violate the spirit of the law. you know. laura: that s ridiculous. there s an old from statement when somebody gets acquitted, you may not do the time but you re going to take the ride. and that s basically what she s saying. laura: i started listening to spirit versus letter and i was like okay, trump had a good day. sol and david, thank you both. donald trump wins again and he knows it. and i never thought anything like this could happen in america. never thought it could happen. the only crime that i have ....
But the key is for the purpose of influencing an election. that doesn t mean the objective intent of a donor. in other words if i think it would be really useful to help president trump win the election by making a contribution to the national rifle association, right? that s not a campaign expenditure, it implies subjective intent. or the candidate, if the candidate says i need to have a really nice looking suit for the debate and spend money he does not normally spend, that doesn t become a campaign expenditure it s still a personal expenditure. just common sense wise before we get back into the technicalities of the law. you re a person out there you write your check for 20 or 50 or $500 whatever you can afford to a candidate. do you think you re writing that check to pay hush money to someone? and the answer is no, you think you re writing the check to pay for campaign ads and that sort of thing. that s what the law provides, the supreme court said you can t have subjective campaig ....
Forward, not even on a felony but really a misdemeanor in drag at best, and i think that says a lot more about people bringing the charges than it does about donald trump but president trump has to pivot off of this to a place of vision and positivity and american drive much like we saw from reagan in the 80s. laura: i agree and run on energy. when i m president, your gas is going to go back to $2.20 a gallon because we re going to drill where we can drill and take the cuffs off the oil appear gas industry. congressmen thank you both joining us now is chris swecker former from and fbi director. chris, i want to bring this all back to this fundamental concept of equal justice under the law. that s what we all thought our criminal justice system was based upon, that eternal principle. but when we read about these brutal attacks sometimes now happening in broad daylight in ....
The founders, as you know, were quite partisan and, you know, the federalist went after the democrats with the alien sedition act and jefferson turned the tables on them. so it makes absolutely no sense. it s kind of akin to dana bash s spirit of the law statement. but david makes a really good point. it is not i don t know whether or not this judge is biassed or not. he seemed to go out of his way to show that he didn t want to issue a gag order. but i know that the appearance, the appearance of propriety is very, very important. and every judge should think about this when he or she decides whether they should stay on case. laura: well, david, one thing struck me as potentially concerning tonight, and everyone knows i always speak my mind on these legal issues. i thought trump s speech was really very strong in tone and speech and it was factual on what biden s done to the ....
Substantively and procedurally weak? does it seem like relatively minor crimes or not? and i was frankly shocked at how weak this indictment was. you know, you look at the first four counts, it s all the same date, essentially, and it s four different counts for four different false entries but it s clearly related to the same transaction. this indictment could have been rendered in far fewer counts. mr. bragg did say when questioned further what law was being violated. he mentioned a state law that you can t conspire by unlawful means to promote or harm a candidate. well, first of all, if they re talking about violating federal election law as i think a letter guest is going to explain. that s ridiculous. there s no violation of federal election campaign law. but that statute that he cited is a misdemeanor, that mr. bragg ....