for every american. the grand jury secrecy rules exist to protect innocent people against public disclosure of information and hearsay that could unfairly harm them. this is part of the democrats investigation into whether the president obstructed the special come s investigation. the white house has had no comment on this decision. congressman collins says he is looking forward to an appeal. the administration can appeal this decision, and that is expected. back to you, eric. eric: rich, thanks very much for the latest. arthel: we are just 100 days from the ah caucuses. iowa caucuses. several of the top democratic contenders are in another early voting state. kristin fisher is following the candidates live in columbia, south carolina. hi, kristin. reporter: hey, arthel. well, things here have become quite tense between the two black democratic presidential candidates and the original sponsors of this forum. the bipartisan justice center, senators cory booker and kamala
reporter: hey, eric. that reporter, rich shapiro, spoke to giuliani by phone earlier in the evening and evidently giuliani redialed him accidentally, leaving a three minute voicemail while that reporter was asleep at 11 p.m. giuliani can be heard talking to what sounds like a man in the same room as him. it s unclear exactly what the context of the conversation is, but he begins by saying a man named charles would have had a hard time with the fraud case because he didn t do his due diligence. later giuliani tells the other man he needs to get him on the rein and needs a few hundred thousand dollars. he inquire withs about a man named robert who s in turkey, but the reporter he calls says it s actually not the first time he s gotten a butt dial from the president s lawyer. just a few weeks ago he got another voicemail from giuliani where he spent three minutes disparaging the bidens repeating the claim that joe biden prevented the investigation of a
obstruction, you know what the position has been since the 1970s and again stated in 2000. that s not how you engage a president. there s a political process if somebody did something wrong. you re conflating a constitutional process, criminal law, with a issue of political consequence. so i am his lawyer, i m not his political adviser. chris: senator dianne feinstein, the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee, responded to the president s tweet this week with this statement: the message the president is sending through his tweets is that he believes the rule of law doesn t apply to him and that anyone who thinks otherwise will be fired. is she wrong, sir? yeah, she s wrong. first of all, dianne feinstein also called for an investigation of james comey and loretta lynch for that whole episode regarding her engagement in calling it a, quote, manner, not an investigation. but with regard to this particular issue, i mean, the tweet there s nothing illegal or inappropriate abo
mueller, formally notified the president that he is under investigation? the president has not been notified by anyone that he s under investigation. that tweet, chris, was in response to the washington post story that alleged that five unnamed sources, anonymous sources, leaked to the washington post that the president was, in fact, under investigation. so that tweet was in response to that. there s been no notification of any investigation. nothing s changed since james comey said the president was not a target or a subject of investigation. nothing s changed. chris: well, but you don t know that he isn t under investigation now, do you? well, no one s notified us that he is. i can t read people s minds, but i can tell you this, we have not been notified that there s an investigation of the president of the united states. so nothing has changed. chris: i want to go after another part of this tweet. why is he going after deputy attorney general rod rosenstein? first of all, he
chris, i i deal with fact and law. chris: then don t tell me what i m trying to do, because you don t know what i m trying to do. actually, what i m trying to get is a straight answer out of you. yeah, well chris: let me ask you this, as a matter of law, does the president think he can be indicted under the constitution? the president i haven t had that conversation with the president, but he can t be indicted under the constitution for something like this. of course not. chris: why is that? because there s not an investigation. and there s chris: well, you don t know oh, boy, this is weird. you don t know whether there s an investigation. you just told us that. chris, you re asking me to speck so what you re asking me chris: i m asking you as a matter of law, not whether there s an investigation. does the president think he can be indicted as president. for chris: that s a constitutional issue. for obstruction of justice? chris: no, for any issue. now, chri