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MSNBC Dateline November 16, 2019 09:40:00

Clay was simply too weak, said his kids. didn t have the physical strength to kill their mother. so my mom, she s 5 10 , 5 11 , 180 pounds. she s not a small lady. she s not big, but she s not small. reporter: debilitating surgery? absolutely said clay s doctor. he would probably still be somewhat limited after surgery, yes. reporter: austin also addressed that so-called trophy the prosecution brought up, chanin s death certificate supposedly hanging on clay s wall. it was actually his, said austin. as executor of chanin s estate, he needed copies of the death certificate. and he wanted to keep one safe where it wouldn t be lost. and where did you put that? the master bedroom my dad stayed at in a closet we use for a gun safe it was behind a key locked door handle. reporter: but the star defense witness? clay starbuck himself. ....

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MSNBC Dateline November 16, 2019 09:05:00

Couldn t find anyone along that route who remembered seeing clay. and another odd thing, his cellphone was off for several hours, no pings to trace. but in the area clay said he walked, a little shoe leather produced a stroke of luck attached to a house. there was a camera on the side of the house. reporter: a home surveillance camera pointed in the very direction they remembered clay telling them he walked. and no sign of clay as far as they could tell. i mean, there s no indication that he ever passed by there that day. reporter: what did you think when you saw that? i thought that he was lying. reporter: one statement that looked like a lie, one dead cellphone, a complaint about overdue child support and a bunch of tales about alleged threatening behaviors, which, try as they might, they couldn t verify. the detectives didn t have enough for an arrest let alone a murder charge. they needed something more, ....

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MSNBC Dateline November 16, 2019 08:04:00

Was lucky she d never see me again. but they did and married within months. they settled within months in alaska where clay worked on the pipeline. he wasn t as interested in church, not the way she was. she wanted you to be there? yeah, i couldn t meet her there. it is a big issue and i m not sitting here saying it had to be my way or she was wrong. that s not an issue at all. we were different. they divorced in 2000. hot and cold. they lasted ten years that time. yes, that time. full of hope and good will, they tried again in 2006 they remarried, moved to washington state, set ophouse in deer park and from there he commuted to his job in alaska, which meant he to be gone weeks at a time. so when he came home. ....

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MSNBC Dateline November 16, 2019 09:38:00

Issues with the evidence that was tested, said the defense. that cellphone, for instance, the one the prosecution went to great lengths to say clay used after killing chanin they swabbed the face of the cellphone and they got dna. and they got this dna and it s not his. unidentified male. the phone doesn t have mr. starbuck s dna on it. reporter: and more unidentified dna found on chanin s neck, where she was strangled. fair to say going back to the term match, that there was another contributor on the sample referenced miss starbuck s neck male contributor that has not been identified? correct. reporter: whose dna was that, the defense asked? no one knows. but the presence of male starbuck dna at the crime scene was no mystery at all. not only had clay lived in that house but the dna could have ....

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MSNBC Dateline November 16, 2019 09:19:00

Was communicating with electronically most of which she had met one on one and we can verify that. reporter: every one of them a possible suspect. that s what clay s public defenders thought. well, investigators had run down leads from chanin s phone the lawyers said. that crack team didn t follow up on any of the potential leads from her laptop. it was there. they had it, right? it was there. they swabbed it. at some point somebody suspected something. i m not quite sure why they didn t follow up. but isn t this all just a smoke screen? because the evidence is pretty clear that clay starbuck s alibi doesn t hold up and the alibis of the other people do. the alibis of the ones they looked into. reporter: so armed with the evidence they found on that computer alone, defense attorneys were confident they ....

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