possibility of them to lie and these are flunkies that had conversations with trump. to your point, remember, there s a cost here. it possibly will engender greater delay. smith is aware of that and here s what i think happened. i think he went to de oliveira as he did, and said look, i ve got you lying to the fbi three different ways and if you don t cooperate we re going to bring obstruction charges. i ve got those on you, too, and de oliveira said in the first instance no and it s just his prosecutorial style and creedo, i would have done the same thing. i told you i would do it and you didn t cooperate, here you go. see you in court, and so part of what s happening is him following through with hard no negotiations which still may bear fruit, but yes, without a doubt. you can read the indictment and they have them there to write and there s no other possible explanation for anything that happened. to your point, he wouldn t have done it knowing how much the cost of delay is and t
background where when the president, whether it s republican or democrat asks you to do something, you just roll up your sleeves and go to work. so when there came a point that i thought i was no longer part of the solution under the way he wanted to operate, then i put it in the letter, publicly, and the president was always very straightforward with me. i was straightforward with him and we parted ways, yes. martha: i have got to go. the discussion there was sort of an agreement between you and john kelly and h.r. mcmaster that together you were going to stick with it. even if it was difficult in the administration because of your duty to the country. well, you always have to stick with it to your duty. now, there comes a point where if you don t think you are contributory to success, then it has to be reconsidered. martha: did the three of have you an agreement like that. no. no. we served according to probably a creedo of the u.s. military because we had
believed this country a lot and he believed in this country. she did go on to shame your party for allowing the president to get away with what he has gotten away with, to your point. what do you think? well, look, ronald reagan had the 11th commandment which was not to speak ill of another republican and i can tell you he didn t do that when he ran for president in 1976 and 1980 in the republican primary. he was tough and it was within the bounds of normal, political discourse, and what i think the comment was once the election s over, you sort of try to be civil and particularly within your own party and john mccain was, you know, certainly someone who was more of a moderate and someone who did some things to upset the president and it doesn t get reagan s creedo was it doesn t win you any points to get things done by attacking people in your own party, and i
them to my point of view. on something as hiss torehistor important as appointment to the supreme court, there is not going to be any pressure from above. the individuals have to make up their own mind on thisser to. all we have asked them to do is wait until we have more facts, more information, there is a lot of documentation that need to be raised and, and at least considered by the judiciary committee before any one knows the full story of brett kavanaugh. you are not going to squeeze, press, these democrats, who are up for re-election to vote against kavanaugh? never tried that. on any issue. because i know my colleagues. they would not care for it as the i wouldn t care for it. don t beg. don t threaten. don t always believe you are right. kind of the creedo when it comes to lobbying in washington. as you point out. 50-49. with john mccain absent. right now. dealing with his, with hisness. he could get confirmed if he gets. 50. the republican, vice president, he is the pres