records. and i think that he can be a very damaging witness and damaging politically for trump when you've got a guy saying i did business with him, to bury things, and that can have some serious indications on what's going on in 2024. this is the kind of guy he is. but i agree with neil. i don't think donald trump would go on that stand if you had the court officers lift him out the chair and put him there because he doesn't want to ever have to answer direct questions. >> right. >> don't forget if they not only would say have you ever committed a fraud or have you done this with banks, they can say but haven't you been found guilty of that? i mean, so you're going to call other jurors liars in new york? how could he get on the stand and admit that? he's going to huff and puff, the lawyers, hold me back, that's all he's going to do. >> he also catching up on some sleep. let me read you today's reporting from sue's colleague,

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