caution that the fighting is not necessarily over. it doesn t mean gadhafi is going to come back. it doesn t mean what he says is true, but it suggests there are pockets of resistance not only in tripoli but outside of tripoli and this isn t over yet. we have a tendency to declare victory, it s over for us, but the reality on the ground is different. sara, what are the markers we should be looking for, nonmiddle east experts, the average person, what are the markers we should be looking for over the next few days that this is the end of the end? i think mike s point about the chaos is correct. i think we need to be careful about increased resistance, but those are going to be pockets. the end is increasing popular support for the rebels. if we see the opposition start moving towards tripoli to begin running the country and ensuring its inclusive of all libyans and moving forward pragmatically that way. let me touch on this.
. rebels have effectively toppled the regime of moammar gadhafi but the fight is not over. nato is still heavily involved. operation slipups point to a steep learning curve for a new governing group. let s bring in michael sing and a former senior director on the national security council. with us sara margon, a former top staffer on the senate foreign relations committee. thanks for joining me. hi. saif al islam, we thought he was in rebel custody and he pops up on television. what does that tell us? should we be concerned what we re hearing out of the rebels? i think what it points to more than anything else is there s a certain amount of chaos in tripoli. as we ve known all along, this is not a professional fighting force. it s well organized. saif al islam could have been in custody and escaped is not entirely surprising. it should give us a note of