. rebels have effectively toppled the regime of moammar gadhafi but the fight is not over. nato is still heavily involved. operation slipups point to a steep learning curve for a new governing group. let's bring in michael sing and a former senior director on the national security council. with us sara margon, a former top staffer on the senate foreign relations committee. thanks for joining me. >> hi. >> saif al islam, we thought he was in rebel custody and he pops up on television. what does that tell us? should we be concerned what we're hearing out of the rebels? >> i think what it points to more than anything else is there's a certain amount of chaos in tripoli. as we've known all along, this is not a professional fighting force. it's well organized. saif al islam could have been in custody and escaped is not entirely surprising. it should give us a note of