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Safer? no. it was a tactical success, strategically it has been a complete blunder. john kerry at the democratic convention said, ask bin laden if he is better off? here is my retort to that? ask our diplomats and american interests in the middle east if they re better off? bill: want to get to benghazi in a moment because i know you don t believe the fact that these demonstrations were spontaneous. you said that throughout the week here. but even you supported the overthrow of qaddafi. i did. bill: supported over throw of mubarak. yes. why? because the people, the islamists lost the election in libya big-time. they got 10% of the vote but they re not going to go away because they lost the election. they re trying to undercut the libyan government and drive us out of the region. the people in egypt who are inspiring violence against our embassy are salafists. they got 20% of the vote. when there is lack of american leadership people fill in these vacuums. ....
On the ground in egypt and make sure democracy continues to evolve. it is not in our interest to let our consulate in benghazi libya go unguarded. to say this was not a coordinated attack by islamic radicals is a very dangerous misunderstanding of what happened. bill: there are two points i want to get to in the short time we have left. you say it defies common sense that this was spontaneous. you re calling for congressional investigation. what do you think was at work here? look at egypt. did anybody come with a truckload of mortars? did anybody come with heavy weapons to breach the walls in egypt? what was up here was a preplanned attack in my view of islamic radicals trying to drive us out of libya and undercut the libyan government. the salafists want us to leave. they could care less about a modern egypt. we re fighting forces of people who will live with us differently than we are but in peace in the modern world versus people who will take us into the darkness. ....
Opportunity. it was an opportunity taken advantage of by salafists and extremist groups to demonstrate against the united states and do more than just demonstrate against the united states because they are anti-american. but also it was an opportunity for them to put pressure on some more moderate governments in terms of their spectrum, at which they are know a part, to put pressure on those governments to force them to move more against the united states and to undermine those governments because it knows that those governments are cooperating with the united states because the united states is for important for the governments to achieve a better life for their people. i think the longer this grows, the more we find out about it, the better the chance that at least in some of these instances, al qaeda was active. my hunch is when people show up to a demonstration with anti - with rpgs, this is not a spontaneous uprising. ....
Country on earth from a region the vacuum will be filled. what we are seeing now is the salafists, the islamists, they see the ide of america receding from the region and they are going to fill the gap. jonah goldberg, how are you, good morning to you. hey, bill, good to be here. you want to take a stab at disagreeing with krout haupler.? i take under advisement that nobody should should ever disagree with charles. i agree with him entirely about the vacuum we are creating in the middle east, about withdrawal that a sense that obama has created that we are not going to immediate he will in middle eastern affairs when there s freedom on the march and that kind of thing. i agree with all of that. at the same time it s very difficult not to acknowledge ....
Withdrawal from overseas war zones could be sending the wrong message. what we re seeing now is the salafists, the islamists, understanding that this is their opening, america is in retreat. bill: why critics say it could open the door for our radical enemies to walk on through. heather: a ban on rose rebeads is sparking a real fight on fate at one school in the united states. we ll tell you about this when we come back. it s religious reasons, they should be allowed to wear it. we have religious tolerance in this country. it s a necklace, girls wear necklaces all the time and they never have them taken away. ....