Circulation and their fascination, yes that society lives by its own laws, the church lives by its own laws, literature still lives by some of its own laws, here is the dialogue things dont always work out well between them, so what is your feeling from this world of the church, what is it like . Well, you know, i, of course, had very little encounter with Church Bureaucracy until the moment when i. In church and i would say that rather the word bureaucrat, which for me in 2009 was on the verge of such an abusive and dismissive word, i for example clearly i fully understand now that a healthy, highquality bureaucracy is very important in the state, in the church, anywhere, i think i understand its limits, i understand, so to speak, what can be achieved through bureaucratic means, well, i dont understand everything, but somewhere , yes, what can be achieved, what cannot, at the same time. I just cant share the opinion of people who know these same bureaucrats from the outside, that thes
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