Circulation and their fascination, yes that society lives by its own laws, the church lives by its own laws, literature still lives by some of its own laws, here is the dialogue things dont always work out well between them, so what is your feeling from this world of the church, what is it like . Well, you know, i, of course, had very little encounter with Church Bureaucracy until the moment when i. In church and i would say that rather the word bureaucrat, which for me in 2009 was on the verge of such an abusive and dismissive word, i for example clearly i fully understand now that a healthy, highquality bureaucracy is very important in the state, in the church, anywhere, i think i understand its limits, i understand, so to speak, what can be achieved through bureaucratic means, well, i dont understand everything, but somewhere , yes, what can be achieved, what cannot, at the same time. I just cant share the opinion of people who know these same bureaucrats from the outside, that these are church bureaucrats, they almost dont read or pray at all, and so on, im not talking about the holy patriarch there, because its enough to visit the altar once, when the patriarch is praying, so that you have all the questions, even if they were, they will immediately disappear, but i just have many people with whom i ive been working these years, i feel them completely differently, of course, and even people who are publicly known personalities, like. Who raised, i would say, justified questions from society, i had these questions, and we were dealing with complex internal discussions, i probably have the feeling that the same people, you know, how there is one story, one entrepreneur, very similar, well, from piskas, in short, they brought him to the deveyevsky monastery, so he goes for the first time, here he goes, walks and is silent, for now he is there. There are also people, and you have the feeling that the church after all, it has its own and slightly different history than the state, and if we remember, as if in chronology, then the relations were very different over the course of a millennium and the baptism of russia, but if there is, well, there is no conflict. Conflict, but if we say, the church has its own interests, its own goals, the state has its own tasks, then what choice will you make , because i understand that you are a statist at the same time, well, how do you decide this issue for yourself, well, you know, here i can have a few of these before answering question, not to gain time, but just a few important points , the church and the state really have a different history, including in the history of our country, but they have never existed without the other, and i think that. They cannot and will not be able to exist one without the other, and the second important point is that if we take the thousandyear history of the Russian Church, it has indeed never been as free from the state as it is today, this does not mean that there are no mutual relations, very difficult, sometimes, something hangs on there some kind of personal contacts, some systemic decisions, but just what period do you take, to be honest, this is how it seems to me, to look at the history of the Russian Church in relations with the russian state, then this. Now to your question, here ill make a reference, its just that i already have a person in office , there is a basis for the social concept of the Russian Orthodox church, and where it is clearly stated that if the state forces a believer to do something that contradicts his faith and what is said in gospel, then he can, there should be, i dont remember the exact wording now, express disagreement with this, so i. I hope, firstly, i hope that this will not happen, but if there is Something Like that, will put me in a situation of choice, in this sense i really like my good friend , probably a friend of his word too. Obliging the polish director krzysztof zanusi in one of his books, he says that i am grateful to god that he never staged me in a situation of choice between my faith and my family, this you know, this is an honest confession of a thinking person who lives a difficult life, so i very often return to this thought , because its easy to say, but ive never been there, well, okay, so, from what you said, you can make. That such a serious problem as before the relationship between church and state, it is as acute, at least not now, as it was in previous times, and maybe it has been removed altogether to one degree or another, but from your point of view thats all are there Serious Problems or something . Challenges the Russian Orthodox church faces today, some pain points have been identified , you know, this of course depends on the level at which we are trying to answer this question, because if its Something Like this according to the hamburg account, that is. Wonderful gospel words of christ , which in a sense, well, the verdict of the church at any time, because everyone will know that you are my disciples, that you will have love for each other. This phrase, it seems to me, is the most important attempt to live according to the gospel comerton and the impossibility of this, we are in in a sense, are doomed to the impossibility of this, but this gap between the gospel ideal and reality can be a little larger, smaller in different ways, well, in some not just bigger and smaller, but it can be different go through, yes, you said about complex relationships, for example with literature , yes, because we have it today, you love dostoevsky, its almost the same thing as asking whether you are orthodox or not, yes, although we know the relationship between the official church and fedor mikhailovichs life was very different, but i think many people are like this today it will surprise how mikhailovich is, he is almost the author of the catechism, but here its just these peculiarities of the time, i think that the desire. To solve this global problem, it is very important today to find some kind of balance between this pace a time from which you cannot completely fall out, and he, i dont like this word, but it is really apparently unprecedented, for civilization, that is, the way people live today, they have never lived before from the point of view, i think that no, yes, from the point of view of the flow of information, technology, yes, on the other hand, i once i came up with, excuse me, involuntary narcissism, i really like it, i once said that if the church does not keep up with the times, so much the worse for the times, so find some kind of balance between not running with your pants up, not to run after this komsomol, so to speak, technological and so on, on the other hand, not to look like, well, a savage from the mumbayumba tribe, but in a situation where you need to react, and this is probably difficult, lets talk a little now about missionary activity, look, maybe im wrong, but probably in in the history of the Russian Church, now is such a unique moment, because well, when there was a prerevolutionary period, there was missionary activity there before the synod, but it was mainly aimed at other peoples there; in soviet times, for obvious reasons, there was practically no missionary activity, now that s how interested the church is in having as many people as possible come to it, believe, or, well, who walk and walk. Whether they will be saved or not, in any case , we are responsible for these, yes, but those let them live as they want, or their soul also hurts for them, and in fact, lets move on to the magazine , which, it seems to me, in many ways serves as such an instrument, an attempt to talk not only with people already here, churchgoers, but with those who wondering who cares about this, heres what you think about it, here are the words of the apostle paul, that to everyone i became everything in order to gain at least some, they are such. A missionary imperative, yes, this is the position of a christian missionary, it has not changed , yes, historical ones may change circumstances, the legal field that you must take into account, yes, because any church, it correlates itself with the existing government one way or another, and should not violate any legal regulations to fit into this legal field, there is this internal mission, in in this sense, foma, in many ways, probably began to deal with it at some point, when we had some kind of audience of our own, maybe small, but devoted, or it changed, but together with us we or we together with the audience, rather, but there are of course external ones, i i think that the church is not interested, but another thing is that the church, you know how, if you use the fashionable word kpi, then quantity has never been, of course, a criterion for the church, precisely because you said, the manynamed few, but this is such a paradox , yes, church, this does not mean that you do not need to strive to preach to everyone, but it does mean that you do not need to count on your heads, so to speak. To determine by this some kind of success, failure, because everything that the church is to the maximum could do, its founder did, and what else, so to speak, is our task just to testify to this . Watch on the website of the First Channel 1tv. Ru. We continue, this is a podcast about the life of the wonderful. Im with you, its presenter and writer alexey borlamov, my guest is vladimir romanovich ligoida, professor mgemo, editorinchief of the foma magazine, chairman of the senodal department for interaction between church and society. What do you think, is it necessary, for example, or is it possible in russia, a political party, well, thats how it happens in other countries, a christian one, i i think now, probably just in case, ill say that im saying this in a personal capacity, i think that today no, including, you know, there is such a general approach, i remember, once metropolitan kiril, then the future his holiness patriarch, i was at some round table with one of the party functionaries, i dont remember now which party , but he said that the church is conservative, our party is conservative, lets support us, he says, by definition, i am like now its customary to say, i dont quote, but i try to convey the idea, this is part, it works with part of society, and the church is for everyone, therefore i understand that this is not the answer of a political scientist, someone will say that this does not interfere, there may still be some kind of christian democratic party, but just at the philistine level a difficulty will arise that he will say, but if there is a christian party, then all christians should support this party and so on, in the political world this does not happen, and i think that in. In our time, not fully enlightened by the gospel , this will not serve any benefit, but additional points create tension in social life. And then the next question follows from this when are church ministers, or even priests, from your point of view, can they go into politics, i dont know, there was a time when they were peoples deputies, then, in my opinion, somehow this we have it now, here i wont separate myself from the function that i am, we have it completely. A certain ban, all kinds of statements on social networks, i dont know, somewhere else, this somehow gets an assessment from on the part of the church leadership, somehow this is regulated, they call someone there and say, well, father, you dont need to get involved in this matter, or vice versa, they call someone and say, you need to speak out, support there, when there are local elections, something else, no, it s more like our interaction with priests who are present on social Networks Today and are quite active, we have hundreds of thousands of people there, millions of people there. Here , rather, there is interaction, including our department, as a specialized one, with such priests involved, as we say internet mission, and we can ask them for something or ask them to do something or not do something, and they dont always listen to us, but we try to convince them, so to speak, and to be in dialogue, but this does not, as a rule, concern any political statements, it can only concern in the sense that we ask them not to make political statements, since there is still a definite opinion on this matter. Discipline exists in this world, exists, but you understand how, in the Russian Church, in general in the entire Russian Orthodox church the church has more than 40,000 clergy, in this sense, of course, we have a rather free situation, because i remember, many years ago, many years ago, a representative, some pr man in charge of one social network held a closed seminar with us, he said well, why . Highquality, highquality Public Relations begins with the fact that a person is singled out who can speak on behalf of the organization, everyone else is banned, right . And although we explain there that this is the position of the church, who can express it in what cases, we do not there is a ban, but this is unimaginable in any state or business structure, yes , where only specially designated people can speak, a priest, he just cant deprive him of this pastoral component of his, which presupposes his entry into this space in one way or another, of these 40,000, each, well, not everyone, many can understand this in their own way, and well , anything can happen here, and we have to give some explanations, i at one time, a lot and still , now its true less, we and talked to journalists, with editors and explained that if some priest said something, then there is no need to immediately say it in the Russian Church, they decided or decided, or they think, just as there is no need to bore us with these questions, but what is the official the churchs position on gmos or homeopathy, why should the church have an official position on homeopathy , or gmos, why do we not admit that among millions of believers, people may have different attitudes to this, there is no dogmatic meaning in these relationships, well i mentioned it to someone, yes, im really interested, because it was so, well, there was information, there was a lot of noise around this event, thats what, what do you think about this story, here you are personally, i had an interview on one respected radio , a wonderful colleague, he began that society was split over the transfer of the trinity to the church, what do you think about this and i, with your permission, will simply repeat it, because i think this is very important, firstly , society has split only in the media, there is no split in society doesnt exist for this reason reason, to say that our society has split into two groups one for there, the other against, and secondly, and he added, in my opinion, that despite the fact that this is a cultural catastrophe or a problem, well, Something Like that, well, at least at least, these assessments sounded, not from him or from others, but i just the day before spoke with one young man of student age, and we accidentally came up with this topic, and not only did he not know that the trinity had been transferred to the church, he did not know about that such an icon exists, when i asked who Andrei Rublev was, he said he was a tennis player, so this is, in connection with what i think about the trinity, that the cultural catastrophe today is that we have people, young, maybe not very young, who do not know that it exists, this is a problem, not a fact transfer to the church and its possible everything will be fine there with storage, the church certainly has no task of storing the icon so that it is poorly preserved, so to speak, well, on the one hand this is understandable, on the other hand, why right now is it about there not 5 years ago and yet, well, if there are no hard causeandeffect relationships, then i really dont want to put on the costume of my political scientist colleagues, whose task, well, im being ironic of course , is to explain something, or predict something, then when it doesnt come true, explain why it didnt come true, but i dont do that , here, well, this happened now, but by the way, to say, this is a process, also last summer the icon was transferred to the trinity, therefore it cannot be said that this is a onetime decision, just today, i know, im reading when today in a number of social networks, here are explanations of how that some decisions are being made, including personnel decisions, and when i know exactly the background of these decisions, then i can tell you that in 100 of cases, even what can be called more or less highquality analytics does not coincide with reality, its just because an analyst operates with logical constructs, well, plus he knows the context, the situation, yes, but if he does not know the real reasons for the decision or the real situation, then he still rationally constructs reality, and life as a reality cannot be rationally constructed, life as a theory, it lends itself, but as a reality it doesnt, that is, when you read such secular journalism that writes on church topics, and you read it with such an outfit, this is right, this is wrong, you guessed it, you didnt guess it, not only secular, even now there are people who are professionally involved in some things, but lets say, some kind of religious scholars. And the people who are there, i dont know, are oppositionists, some orthodox christians, so i read their explanation of some of the events taking place now, i understand that you didnt get it guys, its not at all what you think, but do you perform in such cases, or what . Well, it depends on each specific case, that is, here, but do you personally decide to speak or not to speak . No, not always, there are situations when the patriarch says that this needs to be given, or asks or says, this needs to be given, i can say that maybe its not necessary. Although i must admit that there were situations when i tried, thats how it seems to me, well, after all, i feel responsible, and im trying maybe perhaps, to say that your coparentage may not be necessary, but every time i am then convinced that the patriarch makes the right decision, that is, you are in Constant Contact with his holiness, yes, but at the same time i think it is wrong to constantly tug on him, because why am i needed then, if i start calling the patriarch on any issue, well then he can do without me, of course, its understandable, so you started talking about this young man . A person, yes, for whom Andrei Rublev is a tanesist, well, look, im even interested, lets go back to your teaching activity, what is most important for you, it is obvious that not all of your students are believers, maybe even quite the opposite, but for you it is important, in your lectures, to somehow emphasize your affiliation with the church and try to drag students to on my side, no, i dont do this on purpose, moreover, in this sense, well, i somehow think its necessary. That is, your church is separated from dimo, well, no, not quite like that, i remember that after all, the separation of the school from the church, but at one time, this did not in any way follow even from the separation of the church from state, maybe directly, but i still have within the framework of the courses that i teach, and there are topics related to religion , but not with orthodoxy and not with orthodox theology, its culturological, im as a culturologist, as a teacher of philosophical disciplines, so i proceed from this. I never hide my views and generally believe that it is impossible, but for some reason this does not bother me very much, especially student atheism does not bother me, because it is almost never hardwon, so if, when we touch on atheism, i especially if the guys ask, i always say that this is often the case with us, we know this from the history of philosophy there, and in general human thought, that very often atheism is so deep. Farfetched, this is a tragic worldview, and it seems to me that it cannot be any other way, because in fact, this is the solution to the main question, and death, finitude, there being, nonexistence, right . Thats why i understand that the students worldview is not complete, so by the way, to say, you know all these, sociological surveys, there are fewer young people there, i dont see it at all this is a problem, because i know, i saw how students change from the first year to the fourth, they began to experience what in the first year they thought was generally unworthy of experiencing, although the interest in religious issues, religious and philosophical, is consistently high, and ive been teaching since ninetyfive, and i dont see that changing , that is, it seems to you that all these. Generations, as they are called there, are not there, they are changing, of course, a lot, it seems to me, has changed for the better, here in the current freshmen there compared to the freshmen 1015 years ago, and although something has not changed, maybe it was grafted onto me into the soviet, but now they say that we have lost our youth, we raised them wrong, we need to change the Education System , everything needs to be changed, it turns out there is no need to change anything, no, the Education System, of course, needs to be changed, and i m also trying a lot about this . Even to say something, but it seems to me that this education in general is in crisis in everything in the world , it has reached such dead ends from which it cannot come out, but the guys on their own have become even from the point of view of perceiving religious topics, it seems to me that they are much more open today, they still know very little, sometimes they demonstrate some kind of monstrous general cultural ignorance, but this is a characteristic of how they were prepared, yes, as they were taught, what they do. For the last 2 years at school, and we know that they were preparing to take three disciplines, the unified state exam and did nothing else, yes, the vast majority, with the exception of olympiads who not did, but just tried to win the olympiads, theres some kind of openness, its, well, i just have a simple example, this, of course, may not be very highquality sociology, but i ve been teaching a masters course in Political Communications of the modern church for five years now, and even though this is a course about the modern church, its still from the stove , because there is no knowledge, there were no courses in the history of religion, although they come to us from different universities to the magistrate, just like anywhere else, like any other, but from year to year so far each new set demonstrates me more and more more, maybe i was so lucky to have an interest in the topic, so you said that Education Needs to be changed in a crisis, but what would you still start changing in education in the current russian one . It just seems to me that vichaevs idea is very correct, which he is now also saying, that we must, exactly , if we are at a turning point, especially, yes, we must set some kind of largescale task, this is the approach of human training there with competencies, it is so small, yes, it is so inconsistent with neither the time nor problems that exist, we have so forgotten that a person is a seeker of truth , goodness, beauty and benefit, and this should be manifested in education, it seems to me that this is. A return to education of an understanding of the scale, the goal that a person, a person, education, education is training plus upbringing, if we removed education, its just training, its no longer education, yes, what is education, a person, in fact, a person as such, because an uneducated person is not a person yet, thats the task which you just need proclaim, and there is no need to be afraid to say that knowledge is a value in itself, yes , not just any, but it is knowledge as a world. A category, not information, not a set of information, so we must set this task, with fodeev, when we we talked, he said a very correct thing, that after all, this is not the task of bureaucratic structures, that society should discuss this and set some ideals, which then and some goals, which will then be ensured by the bureaucratic structures already moving in this direction, not in in the sense of excluding them from the process, but still you cant demand. From the ministry that they now take us these concepts and lay out these concepts, it seems to me that we dont talk about this very much, well, we talked about it today , which is very cool, thank you very much for this conversation, i know that this year you turned 50 years old, and you celebrated your anniversary, god grant you all the best, in a magazine that i really love to read, i really wish you all the best good luck to you in your work, in all its manifestations, thank you. This was a podcast about the life of the remarkable, it was hosted by the writer alexey varlamov, our guest was vladimir romanovich ligoida, chairman of the Synodal Department for interaction between church and society, editorinchief of the journal thomas, professor magimo. And im looking at you on tv, you, and im on the sofa, in the city its raining, theres a short circuit, the trams are up, the tram is running through moscow. My love, im saving up a photoplan, ill come to you , ill fly to you, yes, why will i settle next to home, you ll be glad to have such a neighbor, we re simple people from russia, ill tell you right away, its great, and you smile and tell me, i was waiting for you, i was waiting for you, i was waiting for you, i was waiting for you. Ive been waiting for you, and im looking at you on tv, you, and im on the sofa, in the city, winter, all the exits, the entrances have collapsed, trauma, through the nazkova, my love, im saving up, ill swim to you, ill fly, yes, im on my way, ill settle next to you, youll be glad to have such a neighbor, theyre simple people from russia, ill tell you right away thats great , and youll smile and say , well, ill come without shouting, without noise, well, ill find some reason, ill say, well, hello , shell tell me, i need to start a relationship somehow, ill say, well. Shes generally alive and well, shell say, but in general, volodka is not very good, shell start telling, like , yesterday, for example, tarantino came and got drunk , the drunken brute began to pester me, i then told him so sternly, quentin, maybe you, of course, said, didnt even notice, but in general im waiting for volodka from russia, and he says you werent asked to come under this persons face at all, thats such a topper, think about it, sometimes theres no time for laughter, in general it was difficult without you, its good that i came, ill save up for you in an influx, ill fly to get there, ill sit next to you, youll be glad to have such a neighbor, weve grown up as a simple people, ill say right away, its great, and you ll smile and tell me, ive been waiting for you so much, i ve been waiting for you so much you are mine, i have been waiting for you so much, i have been waiting for you so much, i have been waiting for you so much, god. Hello everyone, this is a podcast 20 years later in the lab podcast on channel one , my name is kostya mikhailov, my guest is the Legendary Group uma thurman, hello guys, hello, hello, vladimir and sergey kristovsky, we just listened to the song uma thurman, the uma thurman group, and the song, its clear that its the title song, even though it didnt come out first, i think proskovia shot you first, yes, yes, yes, and you decided to press umator like that for now, and then give it out as an explanation for the name of the group , it seems like, apparently it was somehow like this, i dont remember well, yes, it was 20 years ago , because proscovia was the first, and then what the sequence was, ive already lost it, then there was a simpleton, a simpleton, by the way, a simpleton, oh, what a beautiful treg, please tell me if . I wont touch on it now some forbidden personal topics, to whom is the song dedicated to say goodbye . The simpleton is not dedicated to anyone in particular, it didnt start out about love at all, this song , i tried to convey the mood in which i lived for many years, when you believe in a miracle and expect it to happen, but it doesnt happen, and for its obvious to everyone that this will never happen, for me this song begins urgently , it crumbles minute by minute, the expectation is not. To say goodbye to the dream, yes, then, when i started writing this song further, its already a little somewhere in love, in love, yes, in love its gone a little, but in general the song is not about love, initially, i almost cried , when i listen, i always listen to this song, i understand that everyone finds something personal in it, corresponding to the moment, it always happens in every persons life. Forgiveness with something or someone, with some era, with age, with some person, with loved ones, with those who leave, and its very cool when you put in yours, and then everyone , that is , there is some kind of ambiguity in the meaning, you cant say that about all the songs, although the same proskovie song, the girls in the video are all in tears, yes, what kind of story is this, did you just decide to pat everyone on the head, everyone abandoned like that , or what . Thats it, everyone . In fact, it was our director who came up with this idea, then we had director Rustem Nuriev and he came up with the idea, he came up with the idea, yes yes he said i will shoot at my own peril and risk, such a clip, yes, yes, if not it will work out, execute me, yes, yes, yes, so we went to shoot such a video, in the crimea, in the crimea, in gurzuf, gurzufta. Yes, these streets are just so cozy. And i also tend to look sometimes subtexts that are not there, i think they came like this, some kind of list people have or a map, or that , probably, two angels, everyone is crying, and they came to console them, or something else, then it turns out there are just two tourists who are in at the end they were still late for the bus, such losers who happened to be there, everyone is just crying there, there is ivanovo, a city of brides, there is gurzov there a city of crying, quieter. And an interesting story is that we have a friend in yalta, who we made much later, since we were filming the video, and the motorcyclist to whom we we come to ride motorcycles in the mountains, in the mountains, yes in the mountains, but it turned out that he lives 10 meters from the store that was filmed in our video, it was a pharmacy then, that is, there is a pharmacy there in the video, this is where curtain, just in time for the song. Yes, now its a grocery store, but its 10 meters right from its gate, and we couldnt believe it, we arrived there, we looked, something seemed familiar, some kind of familiar place, listen, but its a little dangerous along the serpentine road motorcycle or we are not on serpentine roads, we are on these goat paths straight uphill, enduro enduro, yes enduro, how many years, i broke a finger there last year , it seems to me that this is an unaffordable luxury for musicians, especially favorites on. He has many fingers, one, dont mind, that is, three you can play something else, a threestring guitar, you will have to, yes, but the farthest distance you rode a bike, or are you not talking about this story, not about touring, only up the mountain we have there, no, i was traveling, yes, i traveled from moscow to sicily, around there, well, i traveled all over europe and crossed america to america, this was already stars or before already after before we had no money we didnt have the opportunity to go even to crimea, let alone cross into europe or america, but guys, do you remember that period when you had no money and what was the main dream here i am earn money and of course of course i just wanted to buy sausages to eat i wanted to i had a dream my wife and i came, yeah, we looked at the counter where they sold all sorts of sausages, everything was so beautiful, look what someday, i said, youll see, ill buy ill get rich, ill buy this one sausage, for you, my dear, like that, yes, seriously, no jokes, i know that you worked very hard at different jobs, and there was no money, someone was a Security Guard at the morgue, seryozha, you. To my, no, he, i was not , there is no need to guard there, its clear, no one will run away, no one comes to this place, a kilometer away, yes, yes, what a fox you are. There was something in your life, who, you worked as a turner , at a factory but not for long, because i realized that you get drunk, with turners, you get drunk in your career and being a musician, you are in any profession, but which one there was a sequence, first a turner, then a career worker in a kindergarten or a turner, then i was an honorary worker, then i was a loader at a champagne wine factory, oh, that was the best wonderful job, somehow it brought some benefit, then i became, of course, it directly benefited everyone around me, and as for relaxation, i know that your favorite vacation spot is still the gorky sea, nizhny novgorod, romantic places, where you were, where there was a tourist center, i read which so very sunny description, cozy, sandy paths, there really is sand there, its sand. I have such a song somewhere, its called my favorite city, just the deepest novgorod, and the third verse, it sounds Something Like this a generation in the gorky sea, a turban for the comfort of the forest, i took pearls out of shells, i fed mermaids from my hand, cool, some of us run ahead, others of us lag behind, but all this does not matter, we are just drops from this river, wow, this is just about our native camp site, our native gorikov sea. It seems to me that the main thing about you is still this texts, because you are immersed in them, you go into them, you can have the same night watch , in fact, its just a retelling of the plot of the film and an announcement of the next day watch, at the end you kind of look, youll find out what will happen, in fact, but its possible listen forever, if the film even for the third time goes soso, then this rap, or no matter how its not rap, maybe its rap, maybe its rap. Most likely, yes, they were at the origins of the rap movement, listen, who writes the lyrics . Bovkami says guilty, right . And the music is also guilty, you just dont interfere, you help, support, inspire, i have my own project, yes, yes, yes, i, and what kind of project, now sergei krestovsky is just, in general, i started this path first, i wrote and i started writing songs in general, i started out of envy, and that is, you were the first, of course, i just see that he lives a very luxurious life , he has girls, its always some kind of holiday, its fun, but for me its somehow completely different, and i thought that i was singing i cant write, or what . I took my guitar and started writing, and its just chocolate, that is, theres a factory there champagne wines, songs, yes, he was still very famous in our city, he was a star in nizhny novgorod, so we had several groups, kvn teams, and it was such bohemia, right . But i, as a younger brother, looked at it all from the side and was jealous, were you already married . I didnt yet, it wasnt he who was little, but your wives were from fans, from fans, or one might say, beauty, undress something a fan of beauty, a fan of beauty, but you met even before you shot, well, with my first wife before now i already have a second wife, now a second one . And what about the third, third, hes older, just older, yes, and the number of children you have is just off the charts, i watched a video about daughters, there are yours, as i understand it, only daughters, but in general, how many children do you have in total . , six, six each, 12, six each, like six each, yes, we, you said six, i think that s normal, okay, three, six each, six, six each, yes, with us its divided, i have five boys and a daughter, lovka has five daughters and a boy. This is cool, you are here all year you only celebrate childrens birthdays, youve only moved away from one, but now my eldest daughter will be 23, and my youngest daughter will be three, that is, they are exactly 20 years and a few days apart, these are the lines in the song with a broken face, drunk, this is about the eldest, this is about me, and this is the soul, im talking about my soul, but this is my soul, like a torn banner. Im just listening to this text, i see the cute girls, i think so, well, probably one has already grown up in all seriousness, no, shes a very, very cultured girl, face, fame god is not broken, he doesnt drink, he doesnt smoke, well done, im already standing up in my head, replaying the clip of probich, only dad maybe, but sometimes, not anymore, i just havent been out in public for a long time. Well, was he a jerk . And i dont drink, yes, and so, it happened, yes, in clubs, it happened, yes , after all, seryozha, yours are like boys, peaceful or also there, no, mine is fine, athletes. Athletes, well, the younger ones, yes, the older ones have already grown up, they are already there, 27, went to sports, one musician, plays everything, piano, guitar, now the bass guitar, guys, if you youre planning to spend the evening just surfing the internet watching umetor clips, you just know that you shouldnt do it if youre going somewhere in the morning, because it takes them away, well, ten. Times more clips than you think, well, we are constantly filming something, yes, we are constantly filming, releasing, and how the idea of ​​​​clips is born, there, but we heard how proskovie was born, and lets say, there is the idea of ​​​​a video, atomic love, which was filmed by the technologies that filmed, as far as i i remember only collplay, rolling stones, this overlay, love is strong, this video, by the way, took many prizes at international festivals, i think it received 15 awards, the idea was the directors, i dont remember how they started it, vitaly, vitaly, vitaly kapitonov, yes, vitaly kapitonov, with memory i feel bad, here is a very, very talented guy, and he just wanted to shoot some kind of video in this style, yeah, and thats how i imagined the video, that is, we called him, i said, listen, i i just sort of see it like this, and i just wanted to try a clip like this. Take off, rolls, yes, well, there were several of these, clips, well, you probably did it all on harmakey, and on the green computer, there is a lot of computer graphics, yes, this boy and girl, they found a globe, like this, what is this, this love, its just a metaphor, yes, that our earth is in the hands of a child, together with all of us, and this clip, which was filmed in space, there was an astronaut singing along with you, this means stars, the clip is stars. Which was presented somewhere in the cosmonautics museum, and the cosmonaut, well, he was not just a singing element, but he fully sang a song with you, he installed the camera there himself, he was just the only one doing all the work, first of all, there are no cameramen there, well, its clear, but as far as sergei told me, he says that when everyone was sleeping, there was no one there at 4 00 in the morning this wandering around the ship, he could work, yes, that is, he got up before everyone else and tried to take something off. Hes alone, everyone is sleeping there, cool, just google it, guys, the stars clip is probably the only clip at the moment that was filmed in space, speaking of space, here on the First Channel hosted a loud premiere of the film challenge, which was filmed on the same camera that remained in orbit after your video, only in my opinion it was the other way around, in my opinion our video was filmed on a camera that was left, which was left by the film crew, yes, yes, and after the film crew, and they filmed it earlier, it was overpowered, yes, overpowered, yes, it flew, and they left the cameras, they forgot what or just forgot the gift, apparently the tickets were quickly collected there , they were late for ours, we have to come back damn it, they forgot the camera, yes, and the film itself call have you watched it already, no not yet, no i havent watched it yet, to be honest, i dont watch movies or tv series, im completely disconnected from this. And you, unlike vladimir, be sure to watch the film challenge, which premiered on channel one, cool movie shot in space, starring yulia peresilt. Our guests are vladimir and sergey kristovsky, the uma torman group this is a podcast 20 years later. Watch all podcast lab episodes on the channel one website. How did the story with the night watch happen . Bicombetov realized that he needed song. Yes, theres just no song. He turned to you, yes, what is urgently needed, yesterday, yes, i urgently need to write a song yesterday , its like malevich, malevich, the exhibition is in 2 hours, calmly, now ill draw, yes, yes, yes, thats it, for me they set the task of what it should be, as he sees it, i looked at the sources, there are drafts, what they filmed, and they also gave me lukyanevs texts for revision, yeah, thats it, i sat down to work, you uploaded it all. Meat grinder and gave it all out, and this is what happened, wow, how long did it take you to write . Do you remember about the time, i dont remember, but it was there days, yes one day, if not one day one day we recorded all this at home, in one day at home the song night watch was recorded, which, in general, it came out like that in the movie, by the way, it absorbs everything that lukyanenko wrote about it, everything that bikmombet filmed, the song night watch, ume thormans performance in the podcast 20 years later. Anton gorodetsky his wife asked, he was sad like a child, the witch came, come on, cast an easy spell on me, my dear, he just clapped his hands and the wife will return, she will turn away from him, and the little life inside her will end, suddenly shadows fly over the witch. They say there is no crime, but so that you lower your gaze, the witch will build in, the night watch, and tresla will cut the world in half, dim there is no reason, ilyats blood, there is a war going on, good is zazlum, and the light flickers, in the corners a spider weaves a pattern, a night watch flies through the dark mules, but he realized that he had acted badly, and then. The sorceress tricked him like a sucker, but strength other in antonovs gaze, which means he will work on patrol, the years have passed, gorodets doesnt bother, drinks vodka, is friends with vampires, the boss is good, the wisest dessert, the deputy is where , well, they call, you need to go quickly, the vampire , the hairdresser and his girlfriend to his lair, they called the teenager, they decided to get along with the vile one, they just managed to, a fight broke out with difficulty he whispered to everything, urdala was with scissors, seriously wounded in battle, he was near death, one might say on the edge , but i cured a good ten quickly, they wouldnt take anyone for a minister, the world is in half, you are mitros, ilya graffia for good evil, it is the light in in the corners a spider weaves a pattern, on a dark mule there is a valuable style, then trouble after trouble is like a pono, a crow flew into an airplane turbine, at a heating plant, something exploded, and the light turned out to be to blame for everything, but having met the handsome anton, she fell in love and the destruction stopped, but the evil zabulon was without daytime gap, made his son anton different, and how will our hero cope with this . Everyone to view the picture, the world has cracked in half. Blood, the war is waging, good, and the light is fading in the corners , a spider is flying, a pattern is flying through the dark streets, the night watch, the world is cracking in half dmitros, blood is being drawn, there is a war going on, good for evil, the prince is not weaving a spider from above. The song koromyslovs tower was silent, it walked along the water. Early in the morning, lightlegged with a long braid, a simple dress, the soul inside out, oh, good, under the grass in a bass voice, buckets glitter on the hill, a chanting song on the lips, singing and not wondering that the enemy is not bored, lurking like a cart in the mouth, it was a mongol detachment the Intelligence Officer who was sent ahead to find out what kind of city it was, rich or poor, and whether it would be easy to take, the girl sees, now lets chew, go straight to the camp we will send a messenger, but the busurmanians did not know that marusya is the daughter of a blacksmith, from childhood she has been helping a young man to beat with a hammer and blow up the stove 16 ready, and with her bare hands she could bend horseshoes; buckets fell; lord help me. Manya was missing, alone against twenty, dashing warriors, armed to the teeth, her father had to find her, among the ten enemies she defeated. The remnants of the detachment, returning to the camp, told what happened at the river. The city is not take it, if the girls there are like that, then what kind of men are there. Patricia kas, what was your history together . The idea came up to sing something with one of the french, we began to look for someone we could sing with, because there were different options, and somehow it happened by chance that someone had an acquaintance, acquaintances right there acquaintances, 3, we say wow, cool, lets offer it in tris. To sing with us, she reacted Something Like this right away, well, she often worked in russia, yes, she worked in russia a lot, the only thing was that her condition was, that the song should be new, written specifically for her, well, this is kind of not new to me, that i urgently need to write some kind of song, yesterday, and also, you know, there is such a song paris, we have, i saw this video, but he never got around to it, and in this video, which was filmed in paris, how old is he there, is he 70 there, or what . Not 74, in my opinion, he was at that time, yes, he came to filming on a motorcycle, yes, he was a handsome guy in general, and he and i , yes, he and i sat, drank this wonderful homemade calvados, which we were treated to there in paris, class, yes, we sang to him, talked, in the chorus of this song in french, the song paris, it sounds like this. How we all understood that it was french and so i sing this song to him, he likes it, he says, its a cool song, i say, well, you understand that its french, he says, no, he didnt understand, hes french, but french, but unfortunately, he did not understand that it was french, but for us, for russians, it sounds like french. Our guest was the group uma thurman vladimir and sergei krestovsky. This is a 20 year podcast. Later the presenter konstantin mikhailov. Russia is our sacred power. Our beloved country, buoyant will, great. Glory, your heritage is on all classes, everything of the fatherland is free, the holiday of peoples is a union